Spoiler-chat SUBSTITUTE

[harsh egret]

Another expression for forcefully stopping it before it goes out of hand I think..

[elfin parrot]

Ah, thanks. You can discuss it if you wish, but it has been said yesterday so I won't be taking part in it again this soon 😅

[urban lodge]

[harsh egret]

I see I missed A LOT yesterday, in fact I barely read replies after it was done, but I see what you mean.

[elfin parrot]

Don't worry, it was discussed with the same result many times before, the general view has not shifted

[urban lodge]

We share similar views, so I will do the same

[harsh egret]

Yeah, let's give it a week or two, and then... ............

[urban lodge]

Jez, been so long since I played Requiem for the last time, I completely forgot Tonin even existed

[harsh egret]

Well, he was a non-entity regardless. Such a waste, but yeah.

[urban lodge]

Tonin best character

Peak writing

[solar perch]

He's overrated

[urban lodge]

Very debatable but I respect your opinion

[cerulean lintel]

reminds me of this

[dark seal]

Hhhhh AI “art” bugs me sooo much

There’s so much that just irritates me as an artist; the thumb clipping through the bag, the hair clipping through the headband, the necklace merging with the scarf and the general proportions feel so weird. We can see her shoulders so beneath the scarf, the neck would be too long

The right eye looks like a camera too… it’s scary

[uneven sand]

can some tell me how to level up my skills in requiem I don’t quite understand the game mechanics

[elfin parrot]

The three skills? The levelling depends on your approach against enemies - whether you are stealthy and kill minimum, or you use alchemy to do around 50/50, or whether you go all in and murder anyone who you see on screen.

[uneven sand]

So do the same to upgrade my crossbow and sling?

Or do I have to find pieces or something?

[elfin parrot]

Nope, that's upgrade system, whereas skills are passive and level up on themselves.
For upgrades you need to find pieces scattered around the explorable space, most likely contained in the chests.

[uneven sand]

Thank you so much

[elfin parrot]

Skills level up after each separate enemy encounter. The opportunism skill also levels up a very tiny bit everytime you use alchemy.

[proud berry]

Found out one of my mates at work is a fan of A Plague Tale Innocence
But they had no clue a sequel was made
Naturally I told them to play it immediately

I will add them to the Arnaud fan club

[sudden bridge]

hope you got a therapist handy

[woeful imp]

I think asobo should pay for a therapist for anyone that suffered from this game

So everyone…

[sudden bridge]

almost everyone, some just think Hugo is annoying and aren't bothered he isn't around anymore

[wanton pike]

Which bothers the hell out of me

It's like they never interacted with a 5 y/o child in their life

Let alone one with a supernatural/terminal disease

[sudden bridge]

there will always be a minority who thinks like that, humans are just plain weird

[woeful imp]

I’m gonna need names RN

NOBODY WILL THINK LIKE THAT AROUND ME OR MY BABY BOY HMPF

[woeful imp]

Like how are you gonna call the cutest bestest boy ever annoying? Some people don’t deserve love…I said it🤷‍♀️

[sudden bridge]

if you dig enough through the subreddit I'm sure you'll find a bunch

[elfin parrot]

The number of people wanting the potential third game to be set in modern times scares me. Sometimes I wish Asobo wouldn't include the very last cutscene...

[harsh egret]

I always regarded it as an absolutely pointless move, both as a teaser, and a message.

[scenic tiger]

retarded individuals honstly

[scenic tiger]

hugo definitely not your typical 5 years old they are usually very annoying

hugo is what we all wish our future child will be like or our younger siblings

[woeful imp]

Hugo is the cutest bestest boy ever never forget it!

[sudden bridge]

I would kind of like my siblings to control rats

[woeful imp]

I would not…I don’t wanna have to sleep with my lights on🙄

[spring flare]

imagine wielding such power

i could become the god of a new world

(i'd die in the first five seconds)

[umbral bay]

Hi guys how are you

[elfin parrot]

Yeah, once you make them angry, you are done 😅

[ornate plume]

[woeful mango]

Not the first, for example long time ago there was people who was changing on the boards the arriving hour of trains in the train stations, now it's only softwares.

(it's not really the same thing, but yeah...)

For me, artists should not be replaced, but AI should not be considered as competitors, because competition is mainly created by companies. I mean, giving access to these tools is incredible because a request for something that doesn't exist can be done without an artist or you having to do it (because that's when- even experience to do something visually pretty, without it necessarily having an artistic sense or a form of expertise). For me, a ban on monetization should be imposed from the moment the role of AI in the creation of something is the majority (speaking only of the creative side)

[urban lodge]

It depends on what people define as art aswell. In philosophy there are debates about what defines art and what are the "requisites" for it. Being man-made is debated as one of the requisites.

Personally, as much as I can look at something AI made and find it "visually pleasant" so to say, I won't call it art. Art requires soul and essence, something that even with real life things can be heavily debatable too.

[woeful mango]

For sure, the meaning of "art" is philosophical himself.

[urban lodge]

Trying to keep it gaming related, there still is a big question as of today about gaming being considered a form of art. I would like to know your opinions...

I've figured that games are literally something that embodies and connects a lot of diferent types of art (story-telling, cinema, music, theater, etc...), therefore [some] should be considered as art aswell

[woeful mango]

For me, art in its global sense is not necessarily made by the hand of man, for example I find the shape of a snowflake (seen under a microscope) to be something artistic. But from my point of view I separate visual art from art through thought (in the sense of thinking about how the artist is going to do his painting, his drawing, take his photo).

[woeful mango]

For me vidéo games are a type of art, it use multiples types of arts (drawing, musics, theater with the voice actors...) like in cinema (music, photography...), if it share a message, an emotion, then I think it's artistic.

[urban lodge]

Would you say the experience the game gives you can also be considered art?

[scarlet veldt]

If cinema is, why would video games not be ?

[elfin parrot]

I agree with you guys, some games truly are are work of art, very often more than movies. To keep it APT related, just look at the series - the music itself is art, the overall story of both games could be considered art, the level and character designs as well. The games join these separate arts to create one huge art piece where everything fits together and let you experience it. This is why I prefer games over movies.

[urban lodge]

True, but video games, despite being much more accepted these days, are still a bit frowned upon by society overall

The usual garbage games overshadow the good ones. So there's still a long way before people start realizing games aren't that bad

[elfin parrot]

This is exactly what bugs me. But hey, I hope as the generations go, games will be accepted more and more and it will be normal for old people to play video games. Heck, I am looking forward to retiring one day and play everything I did not have time for.

Among other things of course

[urban lodge]

A big reason why games haven't progressed much into society is the financial costs

Gaming is a more expensive hobbie than most "normal" ones. Buying a decent game costs 2 or 3 times more than a book or a movie ticket, not to mention you need to spend around 500 euros for a console first or 1000+ for a good pc setup.

[elfin parrot]

Gaming is expensive, but so are many hobbies, especially sports. However this is in my opinion not why gaming is frowned upon. Games are always presented in bad light, at least in my country, and just to give a perfect example - when a homicide or shooting happens here and the news reporters come into the streets to ask the common folk, there's always someone who blames violent games. This throws bad light to any other game, and gaming in general.

[urban lodge]

I know, but I wasn't saying being expensive was a reason of being frowned upon, but why gaming isn't more common in society overall

Sure there are many hobbies, but few are as expensive as gaming. Some sports can be expensive too, but most of them just require you to buy the apropriate clothes and few equipment to do it.
Whereas in gaming you have to buy the plataform you play it, the games themselves, controlers, setup expenses and etc.

About games being presented in bad light. As I said before, that is something that got slightly better over the last decade or two. Nowadays gaming is seem more as a waste of time ("You got so many better things to do than waste your time playing stupid games" type of mentality) instead of a bad influence (which it can totally be in some cases if not regulated correctly)

[elfin parrot]

Oh, my bad, should have read it better.

Most sports have other small transactions that in result surpass even gaming. In my country, sports are rarely financially supported and it has gotten to the point where Ministry is desperate because almost no children these days attend even basic sport clubs regularly, because it's just too pricey. Can't speak for other countries though, just the one where I live. Sure, you can sport alone, but that's not possible in collective sports.

Agree with the last paragraph. I consider mindlessly watching football or soap operas much more time wasting, but to everyone's taste I guess.

[urban lodge]

I guess it kind of depends on how seriously the person wants to take the sport...
If it's a one or two times a week kind of thing it's not that expensive.

Games still have the reputation of being kid's adictions or of loosers who are in their basements all day...

[elfin parrot]

That's unfortunately true.
To add a quick note, celebrities like Henry Cavill are one of the few who raise awareness of gaming to general public.

In a good sense I mean

[woeful mango]

It's not that expensive now, with somes subscribe services like gamepass you can play many games for one month at the cost of a ticket for a film in a cinema (in my country, in somes cinema it cost expensive like this).

It's like buying a Blu-ray disc, it's expensive for a film, but you pay for an experience and it's anyway called as an art

[elfin parrot]

The initial setup you need is surely more expensive than it used to

[woeful mango]

(and also you can play it as you want)

[woeful mango]

In fact it depend, for example with xcloud you can run a game on a potato XD

[urban lodge]

Subscribe services are still somewhat expensive in the grand scheme of things

You pay like 60 - 80 euros a year and at the end of it you loose acess to everything you had. And if there was a game you really liked and wanted to play again you would have to re-subscribe or buy the game yourself... Not to mention games on gamepass/PS+ change constantly...

[woeful mango]

Like yeah, somes people have played xcloud on a raspberry pi

[elfin parrot]

You are renting the games instead of buying ownership to them.

[woeful mango]

For sure it's expensive, but a subscribe for a service like Netflix or Disney+... It's expensive too, it can be even sometimes more expensive than a subscribe for a game service

[urban lodge]

I had PS+ for about two or three years and the only good thing that came off of it was discovering some good games that I eventually bought myself so I could keep them

[woeful mango]

And anyway the content that are on theses services are called art

[woeful mango]

(for me, it's the gamepass that make me discover innocence and playing it, so for me it's a big argument for these types of subscribes services)

[urban lodge]

I got fooled into buying PS+ extra, thinking that getting access to 300+ games was good, but it turned out that having so many games at your disposal actually makes you less interested in playing

[woeful mango]

Yeah it can be an effect, also like paying the subscribe even if you don't really use it for one or most months, just because "yeah but if I wanna play I can" (it does it to me sometimes).

[urban lodge]

I always bought the one year subscription, so I never had to worry about not using it for a few months

But I don't buy those things anymore since I don't have time for it.
I don't buy games anymore actually. Just finnishing the games I already own...
In my latest vacation I got done with 7 games and I think I can still finish 2 more before my classes start again

[solar perch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/APlagueTale/comments/1acg9bq/finished_the_game_and/
interesting take

Who's gonna tell him Tonin is dead...

[dark seal]

Tonin died?

[scarlet veldt]

I'm sorry what

when ?

[dark seal]

I understand his opinion but Amicia’s still a kid who’s lost literally everything.
She gets to hear about this powerful protector woman who’s footsteps Amicia is following…of course she’s going to idolize Aelia. Amicia has nothing else.

[spring flare]

my honest reaction to this information

[urban lodge]

One of the most accurate takes I've seen on APT's subreddit in a while

Can't really argue with most of what as been said

[solar perch]

Yh she's pretty much alone or feels alone. And Aelia being the only one she feels is like her fighting against shitty odds

[elfin parrot]

It's never stated or showed directly, and to be fair, we don't know for sure he died, but it is very likely that the rats Hugo summoned killed him because Tonin was in the shadow, or he died by the hands of his family.

[elfin parrot]

I know this video was posted here a while ago, but what do you think about it? https://youtu.be/3IJ_oWxkX8A?si=rksbCo935gJ-OsnN

Do you think that Asobo went this deep into alchemy and built the entire APT Requiem around it, or is it just a coincidence?

The video itself is very interesting and shows the story in slightly different light, even though I don't agree with some things mentioned. Especially regarding the end goal of Prima Macula...

[urban lodge]

A lot of things were surely based of/inspired by actual alchemy but I have to admit we sometimes go deeper than we should

[urban lodge]

Things like the Great Work, the Pheonix, Sun and Moon are obviously rooted in alchemy bases, Asobo just put some fantasy in the middle of it and gave it some spice

[elfin parrot]

The video itself sometimes felt like on of them literature lessons where teachers always try to find deeper meaning in every thing, even though the author did not anticipate it and just wrote what they thought fit the best... I don't want to underestimate Asobo or its writers, but sometimes I felt that some things are too complicated to be true.

[urban lodge]

It's complicated because of Asobo's troubled writing. They give us more questions than answers, leaving us to go deeper in order to get such answers...

[solar perch]

The curtains are blue

The rats are rodents

[elfin parrot]

Roses are red,
Amicia's cape is blue,
she shot Hugo in the head,
and now she's after you.

[elfin parrot]

True. Not only did they not answer questions left from Innocence, but they threw in even more questions without any hint of explanation

[sudden bridge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/videogames/s/S92vQTVf4z

what would be your pick from APT?

mine is "BASTARD!"

[urban lodge]

"You may run...but no one can escape their own blood!"

[scarlet veldt]

It's the boat, or a 10 miles fucking swim

I can't wait to get on a boat !

[proud berry]

See? That is the right attitude.

[solar perch]

tHaT iS tHe RiGhT aTtItUdE

[scarlet veldt]

I'm kinda sad that in the french version she isn't as much mocking Arnaud in the english one

[proud berry]

Slow down pipsqueak! We have wounded

[scarlet veldt]

Just after comes my favorite voice line in french

[harsh egret]

Well, there comes a new milestone: @wanton pike's third APT theory video has just passed 3 thousand views. Congrats 🥳!

[sudden bridge]

"This world hurts, and it keeps hurting. And you want to hurt it back. But it's a fight you can't win, Amicia."

this is my favourite actual quote

perfectly embodies what Requiem is about

[sudden bridge]

I don't get the joke, can anyone explain

I feel like I know it but I can't quite get it

[solar perch]

It's a "that’s what she said" joke

You say it when someone (usually female) says something that can also being said during a certain activity

[sudden bridge]

alright so I was right

I just wanted to confirm it, so sneaky of the devs to put it in there lmao

[scarlet veldt]

NO WAY

[dark seal]

I LOVE “That is the right attitude”

[proud berry]

Arnaud is hilarious!
My favourite line of his is when you're going around the festival and he says to Hugo "You're about as subtle as you are tall"

[umbral bay]

mine would be be very careful this is a constant reminder that I should kill you

[solar perch]

Question to everyone time!!!!

What soundtrack do you think is underrated and people should listen to more? Feel free to explain why. Can be one each from both games.

[urban lodge]

The Duel
Don't really have any special reasons why

[solar perch]

That's a good one, love it

I love how shrill the bagpipe and cello sounds in The Duel. Gets me pretty emotional

[ornate plume]

A Knight

[scarlet veldt]

Yeah, at first I did miss it but after several times I saw how good it really is

The Storm is also very underrated imo

[elfin parrot]

Underrated? The Lost City. It plays during the fight near the port just before you save Arnaud from being hanged. You can't enjoy it properly due to the difficulty of this fight.
https://youtu.be/gZsrxJ_1Vps?si=D6aY-b6lOsTp0apt

[scarlet veldt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdzH5Nav2cE

May I add

[proud berry]

Took the words out of my mouth, I love this track

This and Hope Ahead

[scarlet veldt]

Nicholas be like

https://fxtwitter.com/vidsthatgohard/status/1752026473546858966?t=OswSbwZDzml-S7dXxj-gkA&s=19

[sudden bridge]

every masterpiece has its cheap copy

[woeful mango]

It make sens, alchemy is between of "traditionals sciences" and philosophy

I just said to myself, if there is a sequel and if Hugo is present, he will certainly only be there in the mind of Amicia or a new protagonist. An element which goes in this direction (in addition to those in Requiem), in innocence when Amicia has her dream, she sees Hugo leaving with Nicolas asking him to bring him to his mother, I think it is an element which also shows the blood connection between Amicia and Hugo. What is important is that we know that Amicia could have died if she had not been saved by her friends, and the moment when Hugo manages to communicate with Amicia is when he is going to die...

I just wanna share this idea

[urban lodge]

Amicia almost dying if not for her friends is a tradition at this point

[solar perch]

I need an edit of whenever Amicia gets hit or falls or stumbles and so one to be accompanied by the Roblox oof sound

[proud berry]

This is one thing I'd like a possible third game to do
Have Amicia reflect on the great cost others paid so she could survive
Roderick, Arthur, Arnaud etc

[elfin parrot]

I'd like that too, but considering what Requiem did, characters like Arnaud wouldn't even be mentioned in potential third game...

Same as Rodric, Melie or Arthur weren't in Requiem

[proud berry]

I'll adlib some voice lines in when I play it, it's fine

[urban lodge]

I just wished they at least mentioned the important parts of Innocence.
Neither Sophia nor Arnaud knew that Amicia and Hugo brought the downfall of the Inquisition in Guyenne.

[dark seal]

I’m collecting songs that I can sing at larps

I’ve got o ma belle lune and La haut written down

[urban lodge]

What's "larps" if I may ask?

[Linguistic barrier]

[hard star]

"ton étreinte"

"ô merveille"

[dark seal]

Thank you. Five years at French and I still make these mistakes

[dark seal]

Live action roleplay. Playing pretend but organized

[hard star]

np, ngl you write it better than most part 😁

I have a doubt on the end, you wrote pereille or pareille?

[dark seal]

Pareille

I think

[hard star]

Perfect then 👌

[dark seal]

Yes pareille

Like parle ?

Wait no I’m getting verses mixed up

“You resemble your father”

I’m thinking about “je te dirai tout de ma peine” but that doesn’t have parle, it has dirait

Anyways

[hard star]

I wrote the full lyrics as a youtube comment on the innocence credits version of the song if you wan

I'll link you the video, give me a min

[dark seal]

I’ve been writing song lyrics for an hour, my hand needs a break

[urban lodge]

Thanks for clarifying

[hard star]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59isnJMwP5s

I fully translated it in english on comments for interrested ppl

[dark seal]

Oh my beautiful moon
Your embrace and your good love
Make me like you
At sunrise

Oh sun
Beyond words
Beyond beings
Bright and beautiful
I’ll tell you about my pain

The joy and my heart
You’re the cause of my happiness

Oh sun, oh wonder, oh light

You resemble your father

That’s what I’ve translated as an American student who took French for five years

[hard star]

"I’ll tell you about my pain" is in the requiem version

[dark seal]

I wrote the requiem version I think

What was the innocence version?

[hard star]

"I will tell you all on my letter.." is on innocence one

[dark seal]

What do they mean letter? Like a written note?

[hard star]

yup

[dark seal]

Gotcha

[hard star]

but that version was not fully used on innocence

just a little part

[dark seal]

I see

[hard star]

Just the part after 1:49 on the video I linked

[proud berry]

Get The Night too!

[woeful mango]

You wrote Marveille instead of Merveille, you have to redo everything 😞

(Joke appart, it's really cool!)

[woeful mango]

It's pretty good !

There is somes differencies between the Innocence and Requiem version, and even between somes musics in Requiem (like at the end of "The Night"

[dapper pebble]

Hi, my fellow apt fans!

What is going on

School kidnaped my life and I had to concentrate on studying.

So anyone wanna give me a lil recap?

[wanton pike]

Not much tbh. Just a lot of the typical conversations you would usually see in this chat

[dapper pebble]

well I expected that

[harsh egret]

Idk if anyone has seen this yet, but I've dug up this piece of news: https://gamerant.com/plague-tale-publisher-focus-entertainment-name-change-pullup-entertainment/

Imma post this on general chat as well:

[woeful mango]

"PulluP Entertainment" not very fan 🫤

[urban lodge]

We can still keep calling it Focus

Just like people still call X Twitter

[harsh egret]

Indeed

[green ginkgo]

||spoiler||

[scarlet veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/farcry6-gif-23383353

[fallen cosmos]

Finally got around to getting my A Plague Tale piece finished. So happy with it 🐀 🔥 ❤️

[uneven sand]

Fire 🔥

[ornate plume]

That looks really good.

[fallen cosmos]

Thank you both very much 🙏

[maiden goblet]

Wow!

[umbral bay]

how much was it

[fallen cosmos]

£1,000

[umbral bay]

dang man thats lot but worth it

[uneven sand]

Yeah it’s looks cool

[fallen cosmos]

Yeah I’m really glad I found my tattoo artist I’m with currently. Wouldn’t go anywhere else now. She’s gonna do a Harry Potter and Dragon Ball piece for me too

[umbral bay]

not just cool fire

[uneven sand]

😂

[uneven sand]

I finished innocence loved the ending!!🥲

[sudden bridge]

did you play Requiem already?

I assume you did because you are here

must've been tragic knowing how it all ends

[uneven sand]

Yeah played requiem. And the ending for innocence was indeed tragic

Bc I know how it all ends

[sudden bridge]

same

I did that mistake too

I actually thought Lucas was Amicia and Hugo's brother

[solar perch]

I think my first time playing ng+ wasbjust filled with dread. Hugo would sometimes say stuff like "I'll do this when I'm bigger"
Baby boy we know you won't make it

[proud berry]

Yeah there are so many moments that hot super hard when replaying the game

Amicia at the end of Chapter 12: "I'll make sure we get the life we deserve"

The game: Chapter 12: The Life we Deserve

[uneven sand]

It got me feeling like 😔

[proud berry]

😭😭

And ones where Hugo says they'll be healed at the island

[uneven sand]

Bro stop 😭😭😭

[amber plover]

I was just playing the first chapter of requiem
Nd Hugo says
One day I will be able to help you (amicia) climb.😔

[solar perch]

It's just pain

But then it also contrasts well with the moments where Hugo says he is fine with dying and kinda knows he will

[amber plover]

Dam fr

[urban lodge]

Long before the game came out I was actually expecting Amicia being the one to die

I didn't think Hugo dying would make much sense in the story

[amber plover]

Oh
Idk what I was thinking :/

I just went along with the story ig

[urban lodge]

And that picture of Basilious made me think it was Robert for a while

[amber plover]

Hm interesting

[solar perch]

I just wanna bring light to these early dev images
I really like Amicia and Lucas's early concept model outfits. Makes me wish we could have customisable outfits to pick from

And in the second picture I wanna point out how different the UI looks. Seems like ammo types were mapped to the face buttons and weapon selection to the dpad

Also shoutout to these Amicia and Hugo fits.
Amicia with the pink sleeves. And Hugo which looks like the reveal trailer one with the long hair

[urban lodge]

There's also Amicia's first version of herself

From 6 years ago

[solar perch]

Early bab Amicia

With not Charlotte

[uneven sand]

Guys is there new game+ for innocence?

[solar perch]

No

[sudden bridge]

I wonder if someone could mod it into the game

[dark seal]

I really like Amicia and Hugo’s story, but I also really like the world and game mechanics of plague tale. It’s a fun play style for me. I wouldn’t be upset if there was a new game with new characters, but I understand how not having Amicia and Hugo takes away from the game

However, by having new characters, I think we’ll have a better understanding of the macula itself, and how widespread it is in the world of apt.

How big it is compared to all the characters

Or even if we had a game that showed the origins of the macula

[urban lodge]

That´s where Aelia and Bas come with a nice prequel

[dark seal]

I thought the macula existed before Bas

Is Bas confirmed to be the first carrier?

[urban lodge]

No

[harsh egret]

Yup. For some less, for some more. For me personally, having other characters to replace the existing ones would be an absolute game-breaker and I'm not open to it under any circumstances, except by having a prequel DLC. And anyhow, I'm fairly positive we've been given the sense of weirdly Lovecraftian scale of the Macula in Requiem. New characters aren't instrumental in that regard, all this can be accomplished without them, I'm pretty sure.

[urban lodge]

But Aelia and Bas were closer to the Order than Amicia and Hugo would ever be. Their proximity with the Order would give great insight on both the Macula and the Order itself

[dark seal]

I don’t think new characters would replace Amicia and Hugo, per say, but more expand the world. It depends on how the devs would execute it if they were to go down this route

[urban lodge]

I just don´t get the need to expand the world of the franchise. It´s about them, not the world. Give them closure and move on to something else...

[harsh egret]

Um, I think both can be true (and very likely are).

On one hand, yes, new characters would technically be "expanding the world" (more so provided they are at a completely different time and place), but from this meta, out-of-game, our player lenses, they would be nothing less than replacing Amicia and Hugo. There's no going around it, and to me, it'd be unacceptable.

[dark seal]

Would it be interesting to explore side characters we didn’t get closure on, like Mélie?

[urban lodge]

I mean , yeah?
But a whole new game just for that? Waste of time and resources if you ask me

[dark seal]

I guess dlc

Or if we play as Amicia and we come across Mélie idk

[urban lodge]

One can only imagine, I guess

[proud berry]

I think new characters could work
It's change and there's risk but also I don't think it's a bad idea at all

If the characters are well written and likeable then people will gravitate towards them and learn to love them as well as Hugo and Amicia
And then at the end you can just appreciate the two different stories being told

[dark seal]

Yeah

[harsh egret]

And as @urban lodge correctly observed, A Plague Tale universe in particular isn't a type of universe that terribly begs for any significant expansions and such, mostly due to the very nature of its narrative and way of storytelling.

Its storytelling is extremely intimate and character-focused, much more than other narrative games that with time expanded into milking-monstrosities like Assassin's Creed.

As such, the "world" of whose expanding we are talking about (and it partially includes the Macula as well) often feels as a backdrop, as additional layer for Hugo and Amicia to shine. And all that loses its preciousness, in my opinion, in case of new characters, no matter how well they could/would hypothetically be written.

[dark seal]

I guess it would be tied to Amicia and Hugo through the world, but what I want is more plague tale like games with simple combat and good visuals, music and characters. I’ve been searching and I haven’t found a game like plague tale

[urban lodge]

Hellblade would be good for you then

[harsh egret]

And once again, the circumstances Focus and especially Asobo themselves are in should never be underestimated and ignored: with new characters, the need for more games would grow from a narrative standpoint, and these guys simply don't have the size and capacity to produce these games in quantities like Ubisoft or EA. Plus, after 3 or 4 A Plague Tale games, there'd be a danger of Asobo starting to be regarded as yet another "one trick pony", who tried to ride on the success of Innocence and Requiem way too much and overstretched the franchise, thus exhausting most of its precious advantages.

[proud berry]

Also part of the charm of the first game is getting to know and grow with these two characters as their own relationships grows and they come to know each other

Seeing their bond grow and getting attached to characters is part of the appeal of Innocence and I don't see how going through the same thing again and getting to know a new set of new characters would be bad
Unless it's just "New thing = Bad" but I'd hope it isn't that

[urban lodge]

It´s not that "new thing = bad", its that "new thing under APT´s name = unnecessary" imo

If it is for us to get attached to new characters, Asobo can do that very well with a new IP

[proud berry]

That's true but also A Plague Tale has things that set it apart
Things like the rats, the setting, the types of stories that are told, the visceral brutality, the depowerment of main characters
If Asobo want to tell a new story that uses these elements as a base for it, I don't see why it should be relegated to being a carbon copy under a new name

[harsh egret]

This is literally it, bravo. If (once again, IF) Asobo already has at least sketches for new characters, they would have a chance for infinitely more genuine appretiation in a completely unrelated IP.

[urban lodge]

That's the thing, Asobo is getting tired of those elements.
They have the oportunity of getting a break whilst working on a new IP.
Expand Asobo's universe, not APT's.

[dark seal]

I didn’t intend to say that I’m unhappy with a plague tale as is…I love Amicia and Hugo and the story,, and I agree with a lot of what your going. I just hope that the new games share the amazing storytelling of apt

[solar perch]

Asobo Gaming Universe

Plague Tale and Flight Sim.
Strong start

[proud berry]

We need a crossover game
Rats on a Plane

[solar perch]

Okay hear me out.
Airport sim and the passangers are the rats

[uneven sand]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-and-take-my-money-gif-13250127

[sudden bridge]

nah we need the Rascasse as a addon for MSFS

[spring flare]

I don't understand why having a different MC in a alliged APT3 would be a deal breaker. Like this thing is done before, in many works of literature, where you can see the main or side characters of a previous work as minor characters in a sequel. If it is done well, I don't think we should have a problem with new people, new stories, and new characters. I think it's more tiring to work only with Amicia rather than only with APT for Asobo.

And why does it have to be like Assassin's Creed should the world is to expand? AC was a failed example of it, and it can be done way better than how it did (for example, instead of having games taking in different eras, the games can take in the same era and we can see the different regions of the world, and how they fare).

[urban lodge]

No matter how well they write the story with new characters, pacing issues are inevitable

New characters force more games to develop their story. If APT3 were focused on new characters, an APT4 would very likely be required in order to continue/give closure to their story.

And making APT3 and APT4 would probably take around 6 or 7 years to fully develop. Add that to the 7 years they have been working on APT already and Asobo would be working on the same franchise for 14 years. It's excessive and unnecessary, at least for a small studio like them.

If they want to make new characters then their best bet is to do so on another IP.

[sudden bridge]

do you think that Focus and Asobo will ever acknowledge that Requiem will be the last APT if it were the case?

[urban lodge]

If they think it throught, yes.

Only a prequel or a third final game still with Amicia wouldn't cause such pacing issues

[sudden bridge]

it's gonna be really interesting to see when Focus and Asobo reveal what they are working on

[elfin parrot]

The main issue with this option is that throughout both games, we see the relationship of Amicia and Hugo evolve. From complete strangers to bond tougher than steel, and to painful separation, both games cover it all. With this said, APT series is about Amicia and Hugo. Everything else is just background in which the relationship can evolve.
Introducing new characters would break this overarching element and you can be sure that these new ones won't be as enjoyable as Amicia and Hugo, especially if they are not established in the lore yet.

[spring flare]

Yeah it would take 7 years mayhaps, but you just don't abandon something that has a great potential and you love, just because you just spent so long on something. Many book series, for example. Their process of writing spanned for years, maybe even decades (I'm looking at you, Martin). These authors didn't just one day abandon their works while they had such potential and they were loved by their authors, just because it took years to develop them. APT shares the same case here, and I don't see any reason for Asobo to truly be tired of the series. But if they really, really want to abandon APT franchise all together, I guess there's not so much we can say.

And for the pacing, I guess this can be dealed with the larger scale. This time, rather than just focusing on the story, we can also see how the world reacts the Macula. Much more violent than the one in our world, the Black Death may cause the whole collapse of Europe. We can see a huge migration that is from west to east, and the Asian countries warring the migrators and slaying them. Our new MC may even be one of those people who goes east in the hopes of a better future.

[spring flare]

But Amicia and Hugo are done. Like I love them too, but what else can you add to their story? I don't think anyone thinks they will see more about Amicia and Hugo when they talk about APT3.

[ornate plume]

I want to see

[elfin parrot]

There are many who would like to see at least Amicia if not also Hugo in APT3.
I am the one who wants to see either Amicia, Amicia and Hugo, or Aelia and Basilius. I am very sceptical against everything else, and in that case, I would like the Requiem to be the last game in APT universe

[spring flare]

Wanting is different, the possibility is different. We can't add more to Amicia and Hugo's story, unless we do something really lame like bringing Hugo back or having Amicia set on a magical journey where she tries to find the next Carrier or something. Even I lost all my enthusiasm while I wrote this comment.

[urban lodge]

Asobo themselves said they were tired, and I don't doubt it

Let us also not forget the reputational effect this would have. Instead of being regarded as that one small studio who made some impressive games, it will come a point where people start to be like "oh here we go again, another APT game, how inovative, I guess they will never do something new"

As someone currently studying for a degree in business management, I assure those 7 extra years it would take to make more APT games is crucial time for a small studio like them. You also can't compare authors to a game studio, because they don't have the risk of loosing big amounts of money. An author wastes mostly his time, the studio wastes so much more even if they aren't doing anything atm.

[elfin parrot]

The most possible option is that Asobo is making completely different IP now, but I did not write it because we were talking about APT

[ornate plume]

then wouldn't it be better to finish the game and explain the parts of the story that are left open? and did they make a statement about the story?

[urban lodge]

Either that, or leave it as it is

[elfin parrot]

I imagine a book would be better to for example tell a story about Amicia leaving clues behind. It's not enough for a full game, but hardcore fans would like to learn about it. (At least in english though). The same is true for the true nature of Macula told by some member of the Order or a book about Aelia and Basilius, if not full game about these two.

That being said, I don't need a new pair of characters suddenly teaching us about the deepest mysteries of Macula when Asobo had a great opportunity to do so in both games...

[urban lodge]

Couldn´t have said better myself

What we truly need is Ratatouille 2 or Ratatouille Remake

[solar perch]

Go back to their roots

[sudden bridge]

Asobo and Focus host an open QnA about the story of Innocnce and Requiem, what 1 question are you asking them?

if they hypothetically host one

[harsh egret]

I was about to ask if this is hypothetical lol 😅

I'd likely go for something like: how much did the budget constraints influence the way you went about constructing the plot?

[sudden bridge]

interesting, I thought they made the budget around the story

but I'd assume there would be some content cut so that it would fit a reasonable budget

[solar perch]

https://vxtwitter.com/APlagueTale/status/1755233415232663668?s=20
https://vxtwitter.com/APlagueTale/status/1755233418953073120?s=20

[amber plover]

What happened to Milie

[urban lodge]

I'm not the one to be answering stuff like this, but there was an interview with Asobo devs long ago, they said they weren't influenced by time or money constrains

My question would probably be how did Vitalis know that Hugo was going to be born as a Carrier before he was even born. (Vitalis tells Amicia he had been watching her family since she was little)

[proud berry]

What was Arnaud going to say to Amicia

[solar perch]

He left the stove on

[proud berry]

"He's a remarkable boy, and you... You should play Raid Shadow Legends for Free using code: Malpart for"

[umbral bay]

hahahaha

[elfin parrot]

Theory time!
What is your explanation of why the soldiers form a circle around Aelia?
Image by: @silk olive

Note: The positions of soldiers suggest there was an explosion, as their torsos are all facing away from Aelia...

[harsh egret]

Ugh not now that I'm about to go to sleep damn it 😭😭!

[uneven sand]

😂

[harsh egret]

I'm so f*ckin' tired atm... See ya in a few hours, I might very likely chime in 👋.

[uneven sand]

Good night

[sudden bridge]

something to do with greek fire? just guessing

[scarlet veldt]

Rats maybe ?

[urban lodge]

I don't think there was an explosion, Aelia wouldn't blow herself up in my opinion.

My guess is that she was surrounded and was taking them out one by one until she couldn't anymore

[elfin parrot]

I think that if she was taking the soldiers one by one, they wouldn't be arranged in a circle like that.

But we are theorizing here, no answer is more possible than the other.

[elfin parrot]

Sorry, I honestly did not realize it was this late due to my studies... 😅

[elfin parrot]

It is a possibility, but Aelia's body would be torn apart if it exploded right near her - the barrel has enough kick to destroy gates made from solid metal, so even if Aelia's barrel was half the size, the explosion would have messed her up still.

[elfin parrot]

Maybe, but then again, how would that work?

[urban lodge]

Rat tornado explosion?

[amber plover]

Maybe
Rats came out of the ground at the position where Aelia was standing surrounded by the soldiers

The soldiers were scared nd tried to run away( thus facing the other direction)
But the rats consumed them

A is Aelia
The gray lines are rats
The blue faces are the guards
Idk it made sense in my head

[amber plover]

Bcoz the dirt around Aelia is diff from the dirt elsewhere (indicating smth came out of it)

[urban lodge]

Stop man

You're spoiling APT's prequel 😂

[amber plover]

😂

[elfin parrot]

Very interesting scenario, it is possible. Also nice picture!

Anyone else?

[dark seal]

I like the idea of rats- bas sensed something was wrong and sent the rats to help Aelia or something

[urban lodge]

Bas 100% knew things were going down, specially with Aelia blowing walls

[dark seal]

Mhm

[woeful imp]

She’s just a badass and stood there and killed em all🤷‍♀️

[wispy fiber]

Yo. Has there been any new clues, news or hints about something new for Plague tale?

[urban lodge]

Not really

There was an announcement some time ago, that Asobo and Focus were teaming up once more for another project.
Doesn't mean it's APT, but take it as you like.

[wispy fiber]

yeah, that I did see

[green ginkgo]

Can u block from #1176493485738704906 ?

[urban lodge]

What?

Sorry, I didn't understand your question

[green ginkgo]

I don’t want to get notifications from this general

[urban lodge]

You have to touch the "general-spoilers" button, go to the bottom and click on "silence channel"

I think that should stop the notifications

[green ginkgo]

I can mute it,but only dayly

And I stopped following the category,but now it is says:”suggested”(the category’s name),and I can quit all of this,but only dayly,like muting it…

[urban lodge]

I think I got it

Below the silence option, there's the notification configurations

You can set them to "nothing", which in theory would stop them all

[green ginkgo]

If I won’t type here next,it worked

Okay,lets test it type here

I hope it is working…

[urban lodge]

Okay

Did it work?

[green ginkgo]

No….but no problem

[urban lodge]

Weird... it should work

[spring flare]

when you click the channel right (at least on pc) there should be a path like this

if you click on "until i turn it back on" it won't send notifications

alternatively you can use the bell on the top right side

[maiden goblet]

btw, although this has already been discussed in chat, I'll repeat it - I recently looked at Asobo's LinkedIn, which recently published a list of vacancies. There are fewer of them every time, but that's not the point. We're still having discussions about future of Asobo's unannounced project and debating whether it could be a new IP or a Plague Tale 3. But in their announcement, they clearly state that the license remains with Plague Tale. Isn't this narrative team directly related to the Plague Tale and this directly means a threequel OR does it just mean that the team that previously wrote the story for APT can now write a new IP?
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/asobo-studio_videogames-wearehiring-gamejob-activity-7161312225385689088-ivGd?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop

[ornate plume]

Frankly, I'm wondering too. I think if there isn't a 3rd game, they should have at least said something. just a guess. I follow the studio closely too.

[uneven sand]

Can anyone explain to me what’s an IP ?

[scarlet veldt]

Basically a series of games if I'm not dumb

A Plague Tale is an IP

As I understand it anyway

I'm reading that it stands for "Intelectual Property"

My bad it's for legal reasons, so no one else can copy your game

For example Mario is a Nintendo IP

It's too early in the morning to legal stuff I'm not even really awake

[uneven sand]

Thanks for the help hopefully your morning gets better 😂😂

[scarlet veldt]

Well it will, i'm already at work but I'm so far ahead of schedule that I won't do much today

[sudden bridge]

Has anyone actually moved on from APT (especially Requiem's ending)? like do you think about it all day apart from conversations here?

[amber plover]

Not all day
But from time to time

I even had a dream about it a few days ago but it did not make any sense( it was just amicia nd Hugo messing around or smth
I don't remember properly)

But yeah I do think about APT on almost a daily basis

Wut is bro pondering about 🤔

[sudden bridge]

that's the face of a person who was just called a chicken

[spring flare]

well i finished both games in november, and up until the middle of january the games stayed rent free on my head

but now? not so much to be honest

[sudden bridge]

interesting, I barely think about APT nowadays except for this server

[sudden bridge]

that's really similar to me

except I finished innocence during december

[amber plover]

Oh I finished requiem in March of last year
The first few weeks it was all i thought about

Also I posted a few pics on the pets channel
If u wish to
U can check em out :)

[urban lodge]

I moved on from the franchise just a few weeks after finishing Requiem

Haven't played it for 7 months and only really think about it when I come here to chat

[scarlet veldt]

Spoiler : ||I did nothing today||

[sudden bridge]

a few weeks? that's crazy, it took me until late january and I finished in october or november

[proud berry]

I play other games too but I've played Requiem 12 times which I think answers the question

[urban lodge]

I'm not really the guy to put much thoughts into a game after I'm done

I play the game, finish it, probably watch a couple people play it and then I sort of forget about it and move on

Usually only takes a couple days but I waited a whole year for Requiem so it took a bit longer

[proud berry]

I first finished it last June after I got back to the UK from Paris, still haven't moved on

I think for me the environments, levels, music, characters etc are all so well crafted and entertaining that I can't get bored of it

[urban lodge]

I don't think I ever did that many runs of one single game. Probably played Innocence over 6 or 7 times over the span of 4 years, and Requiem only twice

Actually, I did a lot of runs on Re3r while doing the platinum, but we're talking about a 4 hour long game so...

[proud berry]

See that's the thing right
Usually I'm like you, I play a game once
Maybe two or three times at the most
But idk what it is about A Plague Tale but I keep coming back to the series

[urban lodge]

I usually let a game settle down for a while, I get bored too quickly if I play the same game within short time periods (APT included)

A few months of waiting at the very least in order to "regain the will to play again", and even then there are lots of games I haven't played for a couple years now.

[amber plover]

Dam
I played requiem twice back to back
Nd I am doing a complete playthrough from innocence to requiem rn

[amber plover]

I have played the entire halo series (8 games ) 5 times 💀

[spring flare]

i can't play any game more than once, unless it's something like you constantly go through a cycle like dead cells. innocence and requiem weren't different for me

[spring flare]

and also if it's a huge rpg game, something like kingdom come or skyrim (these games have a lot of paths you can choose to follow)

[amber plover]

Ooo

[proud berry]

If I play Requiem 28 more times we'll be about even

[buoyant creek]

Hi!

U may I think this just your ordinary old pearl

But no this is new Pearl

I again had to change my acc

[dark seal]

Huh

[buoyant creek]

So yeah that is everything you

Needed to know

[buoyant creek]

Weee

[uneven sand]

NO WAY

[buoyant creek]

NO SH... IT

[woeful mango]

A rats attack maybe

[elfin parrot]

No one: ...
Vitalis trying to assert dominance:

[urban lodge]

I fear for the well being of whoever invented this

Inquisition work place be driving folks crazy

[solar perch]

When you like rats but have to attend fashion week

[amber plover]

I am half way done with my 3rd playthrough of requiem
I was wondering
What was the saddest death except Hugo for you guys?

[uneven sand]

Amicia mothers

[amber plover]

Hmmm
Interesting

[uneven sand]

I was actually so surprised and confused too

[amber plover]

Yeah I wasn't expecting it too

Nd then Amicia screaming
Dam

[uneven sand]

Yeah 😂

[amber plover]

For me it was Arnaud

Idk

Lots of death tbh
Idk if I would have been able to handle it if I was amicia
Their dog
Her father
Her home
Arthur
Rodric
Joseph
Her mother
Arnaud
Hugo

[solar perch]

Arnaud was pretty sad
Shoutout to Joseph with how sudden and shocking it was

[amber plover]

Fr

Lucas's plot armour tho 💀

[uneven sand]

The dog one was gruesome

[urban lodge]

Rat #302 had one terrible ending

[uneven sand]

Fr

[urban lodge]

And let us not forget Guard #17

[uneven sand]

Gone but not forgotten 😔✊

[amber plover]

[scarlet veldt]

I won't recover from knife #2

[proud berry]

Arnaud

I have the moment where Amicia shouts "It's over!!!" and slings the Count whilst "A Knight" plays burned into my memory

[amber plover]

[versed shell]

Man, been a while since I stopped in again. Nice to see there's still some convo ticking away in here, albeit slower. I'm guessing I haven't missed anything of note? I usually catch murmurs of news etc.

[harsh egret]

Indeed it's been a while! As for activity, it's actually better than 2-3 months ago, albeit it kinda comes in waves, but luckily, the chat is almost as alive as ever, with new faces coming in, here and there. I can imagine it would've been even more active if not for Asobo's complete silence.

[versed shell]

That's good to hear. I'm always worried I'm going to stop in one of these days and find no new activity. Yeah I'd imagine that silence will persist for a while longer too, though I'd love to be wrong about that of course. I don't think there's even been any news about the tv adaption in a long while too.

[harsh egret]

Yeah, a shame Asobo's marketing and social media management is so sub-par...

Anyway, I guess I'm not really the best guy for discussing about that upcoming TV show adaptation in particular, because I was never really excited for it in the first place, but just a few days ago it's been, like, a main topic in here (in general-chat if I recollect well). So even that is very much looked on for.

[spring flare]

Speaking of discussions: I have been thinking something for some time. What if... we created a weapon out of Hugo instead of Vitalis and Victor? What if we found a way to turn him into a death machine? We would have an army no man could ever match, no kingdom would ever stand. With that we could do everything, could make everyone kneel before us. We would find something magnificent, something that nothing would ever destroy. If Vitalis managed to do such thing, we could do so much more than that.

The possibilities are endless, and I'm not gonna lie I wouldn't say no to the option of using Hugo as a weapon.

[uneven sand]

W man theory🗣️🗣️

[spring flare]

No like I am serious this time. He already won't live enough, this was meant to be for the whole journey. So why waste such strength, I always asked myself. Especially after Innocence.

[uneven sand]

No yeah it’s a good what if

[versed shell]

Yeah as far as the show goes I'm actually mostly worried about it. Seeing as it's new media in the franchise I still want to follow it and see what they do with it. Hopefully it'll surprise and be one of the (very) few good adaptions to tv.

[uneven sand]

What streaming platform do you guys think it will be on if there was APT live action show

I’m probably thinking Netflix

[urban lodge]

I'm in middle of class, when I'm home I'll join this discussion

[versed shell]

I'm not sure what it will be on. I'm not sure if a particular network owns the show rights right now. Information on it is pretty thin as far as I can find.

[urban lodge]

So, this is a very similar suggestion as to what @elfin parrot has said in the past. Hermaeus suggested having an evil/Macula consumed' Hugo as an antagonist in the third game

Personally I think it is a solid suggestion, however it needs to set one thing straight:

If such scenario happens, the Macula has to be gone for good. Not even asking to bring Hugo back to life, but there is no point in doing such outcome if everything stays the same or worse.

The only thing I disagree with is comparing Hugo to Vitalis. To this day, I still stand with the view that maturity, inteligence and experience are key factors to mastering/conquering the Macula's powers. Vitalis was the Inquisition's leader, Hugo was a kid. It's not a fair comparison. This leads to my final point:

In such outcome, Hugo must have 0 or almost no control of the Macula.

[molten knot]

i just finished a new game plus

[uneven sand]

Aye we both had the same idea how your Play through

[harsh egret]

Aaah yes, I think I remember that particular convo. It was, like, a month ago?

Is that when he and I contested over the need for such a plot, when I pointed out that re-introducing Hugo in such a way to have him killed AGAIN (ostensibly by Amicia herself) would, for all intents and purposes be beating the dead horse with the whole misery and "necessary sacrifice" tropes?

[urban lodge]

I guess so

Hence why I pointed out that such scenario needs an effective defeat over the Macula otherwise things stay the same and becomes a pointless game

[versed shell]

I think I remember some of those conversations. I do also think it would be a good avenue to take. After all for Hugo to show up again it either has to be via IT or something akin to this in my opinion, few other avenues make sense. Except maybe some of the rosarium based resurrection ideas but those are fringe likelihoods based more in tangential alchemical lore anyway I'd say.

I also agree with the maturity take. I've posited in the past that a potential motive for the macula to go forward with something like IT would be that it needs Hugo to come into age a little more to then harness his maximum potential as a carrier. Hence separating him from Amicia etc. whom are trying to cure him and thwart the macula's progress. That risks changing the feel of the story too much having the characters notably older though.

[versed shell]

There would have to be a way to seperate Hugo from the macula at some point of the narrative yes. Otherwise it's as you say, it would serve no purpose. Also a "disembodied" macula (if that was even possible) could be a pretty intimidating antagonist endgame. Maybe even a larrge bossfight kind of like with Vitalis.

[urban lodge]

I suggested long ago a physical manifestion of the Macula as a final fight for the franchise

Giant creature made of rats, emboding the Macula, something like that.

[harsh egret]

Exactly. I think that, even if realized, plots like these would simply need to find a way to accommodate the meta-idea of both Amicia and Hugo still being children (well, Amicia approaching late teens but I think the point stands).

The "magic" of these games, so to speak, is mostly lost with having Amicia in her twenties and Hugo as old as Lucas is in 1350, ie 13-14.

Hugo by 1350 (just at the scene when Requiem ends) would be about to turn 7 I think.

With that in mind, AND with the notion that the Black Death lasted until at least late 1352/early 1353, the absolute latest for Hugo's reintroduction that'd be acceptable, both for them to remain as young as possible, and to respect the historical timeline which Asobo kind of goes along with would be the year 1352.

Hugo in that case would be 8 or 9.

Again, I have nothing against Hugo, Amicia or Lucas as older, more mature young people in principle (though I'm certainly not a fan of the idea), but like, one of the biggest selling points and characteristics that made A Plague Tale franchise so...

Unique or more correctly, appealing and precious was it being a tale of children as our main characters/protagonists.

With Amicia in her twenties (or older) in particular, you're getting just yet another Lara Croft-type rip-off, in worst case scenario.

Such a game just turns into something that's so overdone and completely devoid of what made its predecessors iconic in their own right.

[versed shell]

Yeah I agree with that. I think such a plot would need to tread the line very carefully. I do think though one additional year after Requiems ending (so two after Marseille) would be enough for the maturity argument to work whilst keeping the "children" dynamic alive and well.

Children Hugo's age do start rapidly maturing quickly and a year or two at that age can result in dramatic grounding mentally. I've met some very smart and grounded 8 year olds in my time that have come across more emotionally stable than a lot of adults I've crossed pathes with. I do think that's the absolute limit though. As Amicia knocking on the door of adulthood at this point.

If timed right though it could work well thematically. We could perhaps say our final goodbyes to our protagonist as she enters adulthood after all is said and done.

[versed shell]

Yeah I imagine such a boss fight as pretty much that but with a bit of black "venom symbiote" likeness to it too.

[elfin parrot]

I appreciate you guys remembered my pitch, even though I am sure I couldn't be the first one to come up with this idea.
I have nothing more to add, as you all summarised the topic of Hugo being the main antagonist of potential third game more then sufficiently. Although it's difficult for me to imagine Hugo surviving through all of this, he could be saved through some alchemical and "all natural laws stop here" shenanigans. But that's up to writers of course.

[spring flare]

I didn't read the whole chat because it was so long, but what if instead of being saved, Macula does revive him back, defying the notion of losing its Carrier one more time?

Hugo would be not like Undead, but like he still has his own will and mind, which are bound to the Macula.

But he's dead, in every other mean.

[elfin parrot]

There are many factors which would shape Hugo as an antagonist. Firstly we would need to solve the issue of him getting back - either through Illusion Theory or just simply that one rock in the head was not enough and he woke up some time later. Or maybe combination of both, which is the most messed up option in my opinion, since Macula would show Amicia that she needs to "kill" Hugo, but Hugo unknowingly clears the way for Amicia and Lucas in the hope that they will save him instead...
It's very much possible that Hugo merged with Macula would be beyond salvation, since the grip Macula had over Hugo in Requiem was strong enough to presume that in APT3, nothing can save him or even cure him, UNLESS Macula itself willingly abandons Hugo's body somehow (maybe becoming Prima Macula incarnate as Mr. Java suggested). We saw that Hugo's mind was completely clouded after Beatrice's death and his recovery was painfully slow (Deriviere even stated that Hugo is dead from this very point), so I again presume that Hugo wouldn't be able to be saved in potential third game.

It's difficult reading, I know, but since you brought it up, I wanted to present an exhausting answer

[wanton pike]

I feel like if we do get Hugo back, it would have to be via Illusion Theory

The "1 rock to the head isn't enough" thing kinda makes sense because of Vitalis, but let's not forget the alternate ending where Lucas shoots Hugo (presumably in the head) with a crossbow

No 5-6 y/o is surviving a crossbow shot at that range

[harsh egret]

This is based on nothing, but I always imagined Lucas aiming for the torso to be more likely. Plus I don't recall him being that good/precise with any weapons, cross-bow included.

Addendum: I just realized I wrote this in a way that suggests that your comment is based on nothing: I meant my own observation is based on nothing but loose conjecture.

[wanton pike]

Well he never directly killed anyone in either Innocence or Requiem, up until that alternate ending. He's always thrown non-lethal stuff at enemies, mostly at our behest, and it's because of what Lucas throws that we are able to then kill the enemy in front of us

I feel like he's more accurate than we think, but I do agree that a torso shot would be more viable in that moment

(And don't worry, I caught the tone you were going for lmao)

[elfin parrot]

I always imagine that Lucas taking the iniciative is not canon and was added to the game for those players who refuse to kill Hugo. But I might be wrong here

[wanton pike]

That's probably exactly why they did it lol

But it also adds more fuel to the fire that is the Illusion Theory imo

Given how the Prima Macula f*cks with people's minds, it's entirely possible that Amicia saw one ending, and Lucas saw the other, and they both think the other one did it

Only problem with that is the dialogue changing in chapter 17 ¯⁠\⁠\_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[proud berry]

One cool detail I found in Requiem is that in both the segments you play as Hugo, he takes the same path
Both in his dream and in Chapter 12 when he sees Beatrice die

In the dream he wakes up on the beach, walks along the beach, turns left and goes up through the tunnel, then out and down towards the tree and pond

This is very similar to the path he takes in Chapter 12
Leaving his room and crossing the courtyard
Turning left and going up through a tunnel
Then out and down into the amphitheatre
But in this case I think the tree is replaced with the body of Beatrice and there floral column she's tied to
And Victor & the Cult are perched watching him

I think they're definitely supposed to reflect one another
Maybe contrasting Hugo's biggest hopes in his dream with his lowest low in reality
I'll post screenshots to show what I mean

[sudden bridge]

maybe the Macula is foreshadowing what is to come?

who knows what it is capable of

[proud berry]

Maybe
I think the link is the Illusion of a Cure Vs the Macula consuming and "killing" him

[harsh egret]

Ok folks, another jubilee: Illusion Theory has just passed 4.000 views, let's gooo @wanton pike 🥳🥳

[uneven sand]

Guys should I just start new play through of innocence bc I want to get full skills and upgrade or can I just do that with my current play through

[urban lodge]

In teory it's possible but very hard to do it, you need to gather almost every material possible starting right from the beginning of the game (Chapter 3 is where it really begins to matter)

So it's better to start off again if you have already passed that chapter

[uneven sand]

Yeah I think I’ll just start again

[amber plover]

I am a little late but good luck

[amber plover]

Will the order exist in the modern world (the teaser they showed at the end) nd if yes What would the order look like in the modern world?
Like how will they even hire people...

Nd this time they probably can't afford to fail
Like imagine a city falling to rats

Will humanity be able to handle the plague today (dam I am asking a lot of questions...)

[solar perch]

Lol no

[elfin parrot]

TikTok trends: The Bite Challenge! Let yourself willingly get bitten by a plague rat just for the fun.

As hilarious as it sounds, I am 100% sure something like this would exist. Hell, young people even tried to willingly catch covid, some of them succeeded.

[elfin parrot]

Probably a bunch of scientists, experts in the field of biology and chemistry. They would find new members on their own, picking the suitable ones in institutions such as college and public laboratories.

[urban lodge]

I would expect a modern day Order to be something like Umbrella from Resident Evil...

A corporation disguised as a normal scientific related enterprise which deals with dark things in the shadows

And no, we wouldn't be able to stop the rats. Assuming they would come in the same amounts as show in the game (specially Requiem), society would fall in a matter of days.
We would have resources to deal with it, but not enough time to put them in action.

[proud berry]

My workplace is well defended against any modern day rat plague

[urban lodge]

Plot twist: They are already in

[proud berry]

True

They're huge

Sometimes you catch a glimpse of one scurrying in the darkness

[urban lodge]

Bro is searching for the Carrier in your work place

Gotta help him

[proud berry]

I'm going to grab a sword, shield and full knight armour
Then go out to find the carrier and protect him

[solar perch]

We can barely get people to stay indoor, wear masks or get jabs. No way we surviving rats

[urban lodge]

Well, to be fair, people tend to underestimate danger when they don't feel atacked. Hence why a lot of people didn't really care about the pandemic and decided to not care about the rules.

But you best be sure that if rats were to start tearing down walls and eating people then folks would take things seriously

Regardless, we would be screwed anyways

[amber plover]

Like where will people even hide
Bunkers won't work
They just come out of the ground

Really remote places like Antarctica might work?

Or as a last ditch effort go to another planet or smth idk

[sudden bridge]

the water

sea

ocean

rats can't swim

I hope so

[uneven sand]

Well how do you explain this?

[sudden bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/boy-scared-crying-gif-14524411

[elfin parrot]

Rats on their way to La Cuna

[urban lodge]

Final threshold teaser

[amber plover]

Its over...

[harsh egret]

What?

[solar perch]

Rats are great swimmers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t2VPBF6Kp4

[woeful mango]

I am here to break the humor and answer in a serious way: The arrival of black rats from China to Europe via trade routes brought with it the Black Death, even if it is not really the rat that is there. he origin of the disease, it is the first carrier of the disease which contaminated humans.

to answer in a less historical way: the rats made invasions like the Vikings to recover as much cheese as possible.

[sudden bridge]

so why didn't they come when Hugo called them on the boat?

[urban lodge]

Because the rats were miles away from them, they most likely couldn't hear Hugo's command

And even if they could, they would take ages to swim there

[sudden bridge]

well that's one way to slow them down I suppose

[elfin parrot]

A Plague Tale handmade book, created by Lucie Tron.

Link to original post: https://www.facebook.com/share/p/qavS8oWa63zfgpZC/

[woeful mango]

I was bored so I redid the map of château d'ombrage from the one present in requiem.

[elfin parrot]

Impressive. What app did you use?

[woeful mango]

On canva, it's absolutely not made for that and I could have done it on blender it would be more easier to do 😆

[uneven sand]

🚨 HUGE SPOILER FOR INNOCENCE 🚨

[buoyant creek]

There is a friend that I call Acky Ducky lol

[buoyant creek]

I don't know if this is something people generaly know, but like

From charlie and annas stream

I played innocence 6+ times

It never came to me that out of all french accents, she is the only one to have british.

So probably she was actually a noble english woman that maried robert and came to france

[solar perch]

You are reffering to Beatrice right? You didn't specify

[buoyant creek]

Yes •

Bea

[proud berry]

I think it's more that the accents are just really inconsistent in Innocence xD

[sudden bridge]

at least the English guards spoke in a British accent and French guards had their French accent

in Requiem everybody's British

[solar perch]

Yeah it's pribably more if an oversight if anything

Whenever there is an inconsistency or goof or weird thing people always end up looking into it as a theory or explanation for these types of things

[uneven sand]

When do you guys think the deadline for APT 3 is ?

[harsh egret]

No such thing I suppose.

[uneven sand]

Like when do you know that there will be no plague tale 3

[proud berry]

Take my opinion with a pinch of salt, as I'm just an Arnaud dood

But I'd say about three years after Requiem
Requiem was only three years after innocence despite a jump in console generation, graphics, switching to using mocap and ofc the pandemic

So I'd expect about 3 years for the next game, based off what's happened so far
Especially with less interfering factors like Covid

But also again I don't know anything
Asobo might want to take four years
Who knows

[proud berry]

100%
Like Arnaud's having a shield in his hands and on his back when he's on Sophia's boat
Or Lucas stealing that Crossbow all the time

[woeful mango]

You're right about that

[woeful mango]

I don't think so, I think it's just the actress's accent. Also I just asked myself, do you think that the Macula comes from the blood of Beatrice Derune or Robert Derune?

[proud berry]

I'd go with Robert

I don't have any concrete reason why
But in the lyrics for the Requiem theme, which is a convo between Amicia and Hugo, one of the lyrics is something like "You are much like your father"
So idk maybe Hugo got it from his father, but thats just based on vibes

[woeful mango]

not wrong, there is an element that could go in this direction, the DeRune coat of arms is a tree (DeRune being Robert's last name, which Beatrice got when she married him), and it is a strong symbol linked to blood, with roots and branches, which allows us to trace the blood connection of families with family trees.

[low lynx]

Loved the two end game bosses . Hope to see more nazuku in the future

I am not ready to replay it. This game touches on some dark subjects, id like to see ng+

[urban lodge]

Who is nazuku?

[proud berry]

I think he's talking about Banishers Ghosts of New Eden

[urban lodge]

I see

[amber plover]

Who was worse
The count or vaudin

[sudden bridge]

count

because he took advantage of Emilie on top of everything

[buoyant creek]

At this point I think it means nothing. Because in the making of book for apti and r it is stated that actually basilius and hugo have no blood ties. Thoughhhhhh it is stated in the book itself that many things might have been changed because the book was written before the game launch.

I think it's more likely that macula just chooses who she wants.

[proud berry]

Count Victor
So aside from being a bloodthirsty general who leaves his men to die
He also had a wide and kid (allegedly) that he left for Emilie
Then he went to the Island and told the people that he was related to a local hero (Aelia)
Then he's also quite a tyrannical and control obsessed ruler

So all the backstory wrongs aside
There's
-Neglecting his lands to live on an island
-Leaving psychos like the Beast in charge to do whatever they want
-Manipulating a vulnerable woman to be his wife and never leave him
-Warping the beliefs of the islanders and the real history into a cult to feed his own ego
-Murdering people to keep the lie going
-Allowing slavers on the island in return for coin
-Possibly enabling Emily to do ritual sacrifice, but that depends how you interpret Milo's dialogue
-Leaving Arnaud & his son to die
-Trying to kidnap Hugo
-Trying to Murder Amicia
-Helping to murder Beatrice
-Getting Marseille destroyed because of his stupid decision making
-Refusing to evacuate the island when it all goes to shit

There's probably more but it's a very long list of wrongs xD

[amber plover]

...

Noted

Nd moreover vaudin was trying his best to save the world
Sure he was rough with Hugo
But I won't say he was evil

[urban lodge]

Vaudin is the typical cold but logic person. He wants to fix the problem but his metods are imparcial, he doesn't care about emotions or feelings, he just wants to do what needs to be done.
I don't see him as that bad.

On the other hand, Victor is a manipulative tyrant, a liar, a betrayer and a murderer. He's surely worse.

[harsh egret]

Victor, for all intents and purposes turned into a cartoonish-type villain the moment he kicked Amicia down the stairs.

[sudden bridge]

did we ever get to know the fate of Tramontane the goat after saving it?

is Tramontane dead? :(

[solar perch]

Count is worse
But Vaudin annoyed me more on a personal level

[amber plover]

Probably
He ain't gonna survive the rats

[amber plover]

Dam

[urban lodge]

Tramontane still triving till today

The only living being with a good ending in APT

[woeful mango]

This above all means that Hugo is not a direct descendant of Basilius' family, but that very probably they have an ancestor in common. The macula is linked to blood, for example in Innocence Vitalis introduces in him self Hugo's blood and can control rats fed exclusively on human blood.

[sudden bridge]

really? isn't the whole island practically ripped apart by the rats?

[urban lodge]

Tramontane is the most powerful character

She is alright

[sudden bridge]

she's a goat for a reason

[solar perch]

There's just something about humans when they fail despite their great effort, maybe it's nihilistic. But even despite stacked odds, people (looking at you Amicia) still will go to the ends of the earth to acomplish something

[urban lodge]

If something is important enough people will fight until their end

[proud berry]

This is what I love about Requiem's ending
That for all parties despite the losses, this was the best resolution everyone could've hoped for

Amicia is given a chance to make a fresh start and move on
Hugo isn't unwittingly responsible for the rat apocalypse
Lucas gets to steal the crossbow again
Sophia no longer feels isolated and turns to a more safe profession
Count Victor is domed
Emilie is torn to shreds

Arnaud died fighting
He was always going to die, but at least he died fighting and on his terms
Rather than being hanged

It all had to happen this way, and if anything changes then the worst could've happened
If the Soldiers had decided to Hang Arnaud early, it would've changed everything

[amber plover]

[versed pier]

Requiem's ending I think might be the greatest video game ending for me personally, no other game hit me that hard and it was done in such a beautiful way. Rest in Peace, Hugo 😔

[molten knot]

pretty good

[uneven sand]

Nice 👍

[spring flare]

i don't find vaudin a bad person tbh

[molten knot]

he was just a bitchy cunt

[spring flare]

he actually had a solid plan, considering he wanted to use the same methods as the order, who stopped basillius in a way

[molten knot]

if there ever is a plague tale 3 what would even happen

would they just do the shit amicia did

[umbral bay]

maybe man

[wanton pike]

They didn't stop Basilius tho

He fully gave himself to the Prima Macula after Aelia had been killed, and he unleashed the Justinian Plague, which killed millions of people

[urban lodge]

That's one of the big problems of having APT3. It has to make sense and not be just another version of Amicia and Hugo's journey

[spring flare]

"in a way" of course they didn't stop him

but at least it was a solid plan in the end

better than what amicia thought tbh

[wanton pike]

It was not a solid plan

Granted, the Prima Macula is not fully understood to us, and was even less understood in the 6th Century

But even so, the Order separated the Protector and the Carrier, and even outright killed the Protector when she rebelled against them

The Order had no one to blame but themselves for causing the Justinian Plague

Sure, Amicia's efforts may have been in vain in the long run, but at least now future generations will know how to properly combat the Prima Macula when it inevitably re-emerges

[urban lodge]

If you ask me, the Macula can only be stopped by the Carrier itself

No amount of experiments, potions and elixirs will fix a supernatural force

[harsh egret]

Well alas, it always felt like Innocence was going in exactly that direction, but now, even that seems... Unlikely, at best.

[urban lodge]

Innocence's ending kind of showed what being in control of the Macula was

He was actually getting a real connection to the rats, the same way Vitalis did, except he kind made his way with forced anger and tiranny

[harsh egret]

Slowed or did you mean showed? Because I meant that the whole game, especially after Hugo passed the threshold went after this concept of "Hugo gets to grips with the Macula, the plague itself gets more under control".

[urban lodge]

Shown, yeah

Sorry, just a typo

[urban lodge]

It really is about the end of Innocence.
Hugo and the Macula (well, his part of it) were kind of acting as one in the final fight against Vitalis. Two wills merged together to fight a bigger enemy. The rats obey and worked with Hugo, without him having to "force" his powers

On the other side, in Requiem it's like Hugo no longer has that connection with them, when he needs the rats to do something he almost has to pressure them to do it, which has obvious physical and mental effects (as seen when Hugo said it hurt to push the rats away from the them)

[harsh egret]

Yep. That's it. Milion times have I said and I will milion more if need be, that I feel there really are two Maculas: Macula from Innocence, and Macula from Requiem. Even if you account for the passage of time between games (which isn't that big anyway) it all really feels off.

[urban lodge]

Requiem's Macula feels like a more independent entity, not something that lives "atached" to the Carrier

[harsh egret]

It does (sort of) live attached in the sense that it can't function without an alive Carrier, but it's still a much different entity.

It has outright consciousness, it has "plans", the methods and it schemes to put them through.

It's also much more grandiose, apocalyptic and way less subtle. It scales higher, if we're to use power-scalers' terminology.

It TALKS through Hugo when he is mentally down after Beatrice died.

[proud berry]

Also to add to this, Hugo's power as a carrier is "Unprecedented"
The Macula evolves and even Vaudin was panicking and clueless when the rats were destroying the city

Even if they did get him to the Order in Marseille, there's no guarantee it would have even worked

[umbral bay]

Hey guys I have a question

If I can ask you guys what did you guys learn from plague tale game

Like what does the game teach you

[wanton pike]

The overarching theme is about learning to let go

I've seen a lot of people make comparisons to the Prima Macula being a metaphor for a terminal illness. Amicia is in denial & is doing everything she can to keep Hugo alive, whilst Hugo is more than ok with dying and simply wants Amicia to move on & live her own life free from pain and suffering

[harsh egret]

I'd be disingenuous if I said I learned anything substantial from it...

[umbral bay]

Really nothing?

[harsh egret]

(tilting my head in ambiguousness)... Yeah, I pretty much think that whatever I took away from it didn't blow me away in the slightest; in fact, I was more annoyed than anything.

[umbral bay]

Annoyed about what?

[harsh egret]

Nothing in particular; I guess the redundant nature of it all, at least in my own perception.

[proud berry]

Aside from learning to let go, learning to appreciate the little things
And what time you have with people

Hugo would've given anything just to live a normal, mundane life
And he was always so happy about the smallest things, like finding a bird feather on the ground
As he says at the end, he's happy with Amicia and all the nice things she's showed him

[urban lodge]

I'm not really a guy to learn "lessons" or similar things from media. If anything, media would reinforce the things I already learned by experience in real life.

[proud berry]

Also I'd say that another lesson Requiem teaches is that not every battle is worth fighting
Sometimes it just makes things worse, and you often have to choose your own peace and learn to lose
Instead of needlessly fighting

[buoyant creek]

HIIIII! Sooo. Not so long ago I stated that because Beatrice has a british accent she might be an english noblewoman. It was mostly aclaimed with dissaprowal, but I had a conversation with my friend. I talked about the same thing and he said that it is very probable that she is an english noblewoman because Aquitane(in middle ages) was mostly run by englishmen.

Not a 100% proof but a very good one.

[uneven sand]

What do you guys think about apt in modern times

I mean the it could really be a good idea

[proud berry]

I think it'd need a lot of thought and time put into it
It'd play like a totally different game but it could be interesting

[harsh egret]

My opinion: 👎

[uneven sand]

Yeah on the other hand it’s could also be a really bad idea

[glass wren]

the end solution would always gonna be that the carrier needs to die despite of the efforts that gets taken. doesn't matter what future carriers or protectors will do the plague is gonna spread one way or the other so I don't understand what path Amicia wants to lay down for future carriers/protectors if their eventual destiny is what happened to Amicia and Hugo

unless someone somehow founds an actual cure for the disease

[buoyant creek]

Ahhhhh it goes on again.

I litteraly made an entire timeline 🤣

And it was

Cancelled

So many times

With so many fixes and variations

[uneven sand]

[buoyant creek]

XD

So yeah.

People are not ,,friendly" to that idea sadly.

Let me see if I can find it.

After five seconds of searching and giving up

I

Just want to say

That the after credit scene

Is just suposed to say that Macula ain't defeated

And that probably it is just a never ending cycle

That can only be broken by liquidation of the carrier

Or

If the carrier lives suchhhh a good life

That they never get angy uwu

But with people that's impossible

Especially if carrier got to puberty

You could isolate them, but then here comes puberty and anger and sadness are inevitable

I think that they could just liquidate carriers on and ofd

Off*

But if macula is sentient and not animalistic

I think she would get angry and just find another eay to change things

As lucas said

It wants to change things

Btw I adress Macula as she because macula is a sickness/parasite and usually ilnesses that end in ,,a" in serbian are adressed as she.

So yeah

[buoyant creek]

Ahhh puberty that beautiful puberty.

[spring flare]

alright hear me out

not modern apt3

but bloodborne style victorian/gothic era apt3

i think a macula-centered bloodborne-ish apt would be so cool

not the gameplay wise

but the theme and setting wise

[uneven sand]

That would go hard ngl

[spring flare]

and it wouldn't seem so bad i reckon

i mean asobo pretty much crossed the reality barrier with requiem

what harm would a yharnam-esque city do?

[ivory lotus]

Throw in some stuff with The Golden Dawn and a young Alesteir Crowley while they're at it

[proud berry]

It's not Victorian per say but I think the Great Plague era would be the best for something like this
London, 1665
Beak mask plague doctors
Cramped streets
Gothic architecture

And it all ends with the great fire of London

[solar perch]

Bird doctors

[sudden bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/en-lancha-gif-22831249

[spring flare]

and with the macula... asobo please grace us with this masterpiece please

[sudden bridge]

who knows, asobo and focus could be cooking

[proud berry]

Found this giant block in photomode

[wanton pike]

Yeah map geometry is weird in certain spots

Found a very out of place corridor in chapter 12, specifically while you're controlling Hugo

[proud berry]

Mhm!
Or cloning Amicia in Chapter 10
Or the floating guard beneath the docks in Chapter 4

[urban lodge]

Or that knight underground near Hugo's memorial

[proud berry]

What's everyone's favourite location/environment in the series?
I love the Red City because not only is it quite pretty but we spend so much time there as it slowly changes

[urban lodge]

Chapter 16 of Innocence

Dark souls type scenario

[proud berry]

The infested city is badass

[uneven sand]

The herbalist forest

[proud berry]

The big church where you fight Vitalis is so cool

[uneven sand]

I loved the atmosphere of it

[sudden bridge]

opening of Requiem

what a way to introduce the environments to a new playeer

[proud berry]

Whenever I replay it I can't get over how spooky the forest is, it's so easy to take screenshots of

[uneven sand]

Yeah it’s very easy to take screenshots of it 😂. but I just like the forest so that’s why

[solar perch]

Start of Req chap 6. The grassy flowery field. So pretty😍

[spring flare]

the shelter where they kept basillius

it's so cold and eerie and cool

[spring flare]

shelter, vault, cage?

what would you call that?

[uneven sand]

Cage maybe a prison?

[proud berry]

The tomb? Or the Sanctuary?

Both are cool though xD

[proud berry]

I always make sure to walk through the field as slowly as possible to take it all in

[spring flare]

the area they shackled him

[ornate plume]

The Beginning Of Innocence. Playing innocently, unaware of what will happen

[amber plover]

The area where we fight soldiers with Arnaud on the beach and when it's raining

🤌

[uneven sand]

Guys do we ever hear Lucas’s full name?

[solar perch]

No

[harsh egret]

Nope. He's an orphan, either due to his parents' demise or abandonment, it's likely he has no idea what the full names of his parents were..

[woeful mango]

Lucas Lucatius

[proud berry]

Lucas CanYouHelpMeWithThis

[solar perch]

Lucas the perfidious

[lofty spindle]

@vernal sand You asked a question which wasn’t answered :if he not dead what was the oint of game 2?

If the illusion theory is correct, this could mean that the developers have played a trick on us. You could also continue a story with Hugo. Just because he died doesn't automatically mean that if you bring him back in the next part that the point of the second game will be resolved.

[lofty spindle]

Guys

Did you know that Lucas is in love with Amicia?

I mean, that’s a very very interesting FACT

[long vine]

Hmm

I thought about that

for sure

Remind me, how old is Amicia in Requem?

nvm, google says 15

[lofty spindle]

Amicia is Born 1333

And Lucas is 13 years old I think

[long vine]

yes

I thought amicia was like 17-18 in Requem

Probably because i missed the Year part in the beginning

[long vine]

That could make sense tbh, amicia is also very friendly and caring about him, probably like a good friend, but still

Yea, that all makes sense

[lofty spindle]

It could potentially be a very important thing of the plot of the third game

[long vine]

Definetly

[lofty spindle]

Did u know the fact or not😅

Because it seems u knew it already

[long vine]

I was thinking about it

I didn't recognise it as a ''Fact''

it was more like a ''what if...''

Just judging by the way they talk with each other

especially in chapters where lucas is her only companion

Why do you think it's a fact?

curious

[lofty spindle]

Because Olivier Deriviere ( The composer of the Music ) said it in his playtrough through requiem

[long vine]

huh, interesting

[lofty spindle]

U can watch it all by yourself

I took a lot of notes of his playthrough

[long vine]

I catch what you mean, but i personally would still leave this detail as ''what if''.

[lofty spindle]

I’m just waiting for the book ( The heart of a plague tale) to arrive

[long vine]

what will it be about?

[lofty spindle]

It is about the visual making of of the two games.the developers also shares some information in there and something about the end of Requiem. you can buy it now. It has been available since the release of requiem.

[long vine]

Oh man that's expensive

I'm sure it's worth it though

[lofty spindle]

I mean, I have got so many information that I could make a YouTube of it, but I don’t have a clue how to do it😅😅😅

[long vine]

You should definetly try

[lofty spindle]

Why?

[long vine]

Maybe if i will have some spare money, i will buy that book.

Is it limited?

[lofty spindle]

U can buy it on focus entm. Website or on amazon

Although it’s limited on focus’s website

U have to wait then

Or u buy it on amazon and get it quick😎

[long vine]

I don't know, i just don't see it as clear fact. A clue? Yes, definetly, but not a fact. I need to watch this moment of him saying it, what if it was more like me, a ''what if''. I don't know, i have mixed thoughts about this.

I will find the video today

and then add something

[lofty spindle]

It’s the last episode I think of the playtrough oder the second last

[long vine]

But for now, for me it's a ''what if''

[lofty spindle]

👍🏼👍🏼

[long vine]

Thanks though, for the book and this detail.

Never had a game that would dip me into such discussions like this, thats just awesome.

[lofty spindle]

Same bro

This is the episode

[long vine]

Thanks, will check out later

[proud berry]

Delivere drops a lot of good insight (I love his video on Chapter 12) but I hope Amicia and Lucas don't have a thing going
Even if Lucas has feelings for her it'd be nice for a story with two close friends like that to keep them as such
Rather than forcing something

[lofty spindle]

eeemmmm guys

i just noticed something

[sudden bridge]

c'mon don't leave hanging here...

[harsh egret]

He's doing it on purpose

[lofty spindle]

i sewar im not, i just had to look up how to make a screenshot on windows 😉

[harsh egret]

Oh yeah, we've seen that the moment it got announced.

It doesn't make it any less thrilling tho

[lofty spindle]

yes, but isn't this kinda an announcement for a third game

?

[harsh egret]

KINDA

We've no idea, but there are peculiar details about it.

[lofty spindle]

which peculiar details?

[harsh egret]

Announcing a new project when they announced 3 (THREE) million players. And what a new A Plague Tale game would be? THIRD.

That among other things.

[full flower]

Oh man that reminds of gta 6

[lofty spindle]

But these are very random and suggestive coincidences.

As I stated already : The plot is the biggest challenge

[lofty spindle]

Wdym?

[harsh egret]

We know that perfectly well. That's whazt makeees it interesting to ponder. The randomness. You never know with them.

[spring flare]

At this point, I think APT and Asobo don't exist and are just the imagination of our minds.

I can't find a better explanation to this silence.

[full flower]

Before the official announcement people would take word out of shit and present it as a fact about gta 6

[woeful mango]

So Amicia is 691 years old

[lofty spindle]

Bro what 🤣

[vernal sand]

probably like a nintendo port or sumn

[solar perch]

A bit of an old lady, but we can work with that

[sudden bridge]

there's already a Nintendo switch cloud port

[glass wren]

I never really thought about this but did rats were the one who killed Amicia's dogs?

[long vine]

Most likely

[vernal sand]

I always wondered, I dont think so

it looked more like he got sucked in

[solar perch]

Yes the rats killed Lion

[buoyant creek]

Ammm I think that Conrad from Berserk had to inspire a plague tale more or less.

[dark seal]

wild

someone send the "live hurgo reaction"

[scarlet veldt]

And someone actually sends it, I love this community

[proud berry]

I am going to make this into another Live Hurgo Reaction

[sudden bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-more-rat-cute-gif-18368859

[solar perch]

So uncalled for XD

[uneven sand]

Guys if you were the story writer for the next a plague tale game what would it be about?

[harsh egret]

Hah, I don't even need to elaborate on that one 😏

[proud berry]

A Plague Tale: Arnaud Saves the World (Again)

[sudden bridge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/APlagueTale/comments/1bfnevr/people_dont_talk_about_one_extra_superpower_hugo/

this is really interesting

[dark seal]

i dont think that applies because Melie straight up left them

Hugo said she even gave him a mean look

[spring flare]

But wasn't that like when all things ended? Even if it wasn't for love, Melie fought with them for the whole time.

[urban lodge]

I just finished this game and what a ride

Was there ever an explanation for the change in French accents to English accents for the main cast?

[wanton pike]

Charlotte McBurney (Amicia's voice actor) said that it was easier to voice emotional scenes by not doing the French accent

I imagine they nixed the accent for Hugo too for this reason, seeing as 2 biological siblings with vastly different accents wouldn't make much sense

[urban lodge]

Ohhh thanks!

[full flower]

Guys
I want to mess up with your mental health

||May this earth remember how much you like it, may it remember all you gave to protect it
HUGO NOOO||

[uneven sand]

WHY DID YOU HAVE TO REMIND ME THAT

[full flower]

I really don't know why but it felt good, sorry 😂

[solar perch]

Well technically they said the don't know why the voice director decided to change the accents. We are assume it's bevause it's easier for her natural accent

[sudden bridge]

yeah she said that it was 1 less thing to worry about when doing the heavy stuff

[sudden bridge]

did anyone think that APT Requiem's ending kinda ruined other games for y'all?

like in Death Stranding (reveal only if wanna know about the end) || when we had to deliver Lou to the incenerator after it was declared dead, I didn't really feel the same attachment as I did with Hugo, but ultimately Lou did live unlike Hugo.||

[full flower]

Remember death stranding was the first game of its title
requiem was the second and we definitely shared bonds more with requiem than death stranding

[full flower]

If I'm not mistaken it was because after the first trailer which was in 2021 many American players and I think other native English countries complained about the accent and that's why they changed the gear

[solar perch]

I know some people can't really understand the accent.
But as Charlotte and Anna said they don't really know why the VD changed it. We and them can only really speculate why.

[full flower]

It's not about that they didn't understand the French accent it's just they weren't cool with it, it's just as silly as it can be

Frankly I enjoyed their English accent more than French even I'm not a native English speaker
I didn't hate it but I didn't like it as much

[solar perch]

Basically know one knows why besides the voice direvtor

[full flower]

Yeah

[harsh egret]

LMAO

[amber plover]

I completed my 3rd playthrough

I thought I would have been able to handle it

[uneven sand]

It’s going to be ok

[full flower]

Bro there are many ways of self-harming why did you pick this one

[glass wren]

I can't recover from my first yet.

[long vine]

I did, somehow. I still listen to soundtrack, but it doesn't kill me anymore.

[lofty spindle]

Same, but it took 1 Month for me😭😁

[long vine]

for me it was 2 weeks, but these 2 weeks were painful, everyday, nonstop plague soundtracks on my spotify. Later i started playing different medieval game, now im happy i did, has the same feeling, just different characters.

[lofty spindle]

Bro I sat in the class room and almost cried because of it

Normally I’m mentally really stable, but a game where a young and innocent boy, amicias whole family dies and Arnaud…. can’t leave it without to cry!!!

[long vine]

Damn 😄 I was just sad, im also usually stable, but last time i experienced such sadness, was last summer, after i finished Life is Strange 2, man i was broken.

[lofty spindle]

I heard if Life is strange, but never really played it

[long vine]

You should definetly give it a try

[lofty spindle]

I mean I watched some gameplay videos of my favorite YouTubers; this game is about mobbing isn’t it?

[long vine]

Well, not exactly. 1st part maybe, 2nd part is more like APT, older brother and his younger brother story

2nd is my favorite

[lofty spindle]

Let me guess, one of the siblings dies in the end?

[proud berry]

I'm on my 14th

[amber plover]

...

[uneven sand]

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

What

[long vine]

sorry, forgot we were chatting, minecraft server messed up my brains, was broken for 2 hours. There are like 4 endings, in 1 of them, this outcome is possible, but its only if you really want him to die

[glass wren]

same, still listen to the track each day

[glass wren]

......

[amber plover]

Whats the thing with windmills on the island
I tried to turn it on nd off but nothing happened
Am I doing something wrong?

[solar perch]

The windmill puzzle?

[amber plover]

Yeah

[solar perch]

You need to do it in a certain order.
Some on and some off

[amber plover]

Does it do anything?

[solar perch]

It will give an upgrade

[amber plover]

Ohhh dam
How do we figure out the order?

[solar perch]

There is a clue somewhere. If you want to do it naturally.
Or just look it up

[amber plover]

Oh
Thanks for the help ☺️

[full flower]

There are videos on youtube if you're done struggling with it

[lofty spindle]

Every time This breaks my heart

[full flower]

Guys look what I've got here

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Lq6i9rnTI1xcM5U_kmy2XA7Yt_RX1LcSD2DRawefJSw/edit?usp=sharing

[solar perch]

Ayo

[uneven sand]

Pretty cool !

[solar perch]

What's this?

[full flower]

The entire dialogue of a plague tale requiem originally posted by @remote phoenix

[solar perch]

Thanks cent0ri

[full flower]

literally all of them

[full flower]

Yeah, she/he put a lot of effort for it

Actually there was so many things on spoiler channels but of course before they update the server the delete all of them

[full flower]

Just to give some fast info about it, there are 14792 dialogue lines just for chapters

[ornate plume]

I had translated the scripts of both games into my own language to get a better grasp of the story.

[full flower]

Damn, such a hard worker you are

[lofty spindle]

If she didn’t came with him at the last second, her mother would be alive and also Arnaud and the Hugo…. it wasn’t the macula’s fault for the end but the counts😡

[solar perch]

Me right now @ midnight

[woeful mango]

The guards of the Count when they are attacked by rats: be like

[solar perch]

The rats when Amicia and Hugo say they can come out and play

[buoyant creek]

Hiii! I have a question. Some youtubers say that Vitalis doesn't have sense and is a big plothole. I don't really understand why. can anyone here explain why is so?

[buoyant creek]

I quite remember how hyped I was when he said like there's another sign. I WAS REALLY WONDERING WHAT WOULD HAPPEN NEXT

[swift steppe]

I've no earthly idea what they mean. He's the main antagonist/villain, how can he be a plothole?

From your comment I guess it's just a handful of YT-bers wanting to appear edgy and deep..

[buoyant creek]

Fair.

One YT-r said that he has little point/sense. Other one was making a yt clip about macula(actually the clip is very good) and he decided to skip on Vitalis. I am not sure if he said outright that he is a plot hole, but with everything he said, he treated him like one.

[swift steppe]

Something else is at play here... Something I find very foul, but I'll elaborate later, I'm busy.

[buoyant creek]

Okey.

[buoyant creek]

A bit of a different subject now; about Melie. In the end Hugo says that she looked at him the same way that people did and she left. Amicia said that she had other things to do, but Hugo denied saying that is lie.

It made me wonder did Melie just use Hugo and his ability to control rats in a state of adrenaline and then when she came to her senses was like AMMA GET THE HELL AUTA HERE.

But a contraargument to this is that when the clique is entering the cathedral she was ,,calm" and looked at the rats and said:,,Some family.".

I think it's interesting to think of it.

[wanton pike]

I feel like it's moreso that she needed to be alone. Arthur's death was still fresh in her mind, and that's really the only reason she helped us in Chapter 16

Once we killed Vitalis and ended the Inquisition, she realized that, though she did not deliver the killing blow, she did ultimately avenge her brother

And whilst she did seemingly enjoy the company of Amicia, Hugo, and Lucas, they did kind of cause Arthur's death (moreso Amicia & Hugo in the cutscene before Lord Nicholas's boss fight). I wouldn't wanna be around someone that inadvertently got my sibling killed for longer than absolutely necessary, especially when 2 of them are siblings themselves 🤷‍♂️

[proud berry]

Plus like
Hugo's powers are scary

Whilst I'd hope everyone is as caring and understanding as Lucas, Arnaud, Sophia etc
It's also understandable that they'd nope out at the first opportunity

[buoyant creek]

Nice explanation.

[spring flare]

@brave shore i think that whole scene was just so wrong

[proud berry]

Jumping in the discussion
They're flesh wounds, Victor didn't cut deep

[spring flare]

like it should either had seal amicia's fate or never existed at all

[proud berry]

His intention wasn't to kill Amicia with those strikes, but humiliate her

[spring flare]

i don't think victor would do a that delicate job

[proud berry]

He would

[spring flare]

he's maddened with war after all, and he was mad there as well

[proud berry]

Being mad doesn't really factor into it, if anything it makes more of a case for wanting to humiliate rather than kill

To boost his own ego too

But also as his soldiers say, he's a veteran of hundreds of battles
And a trained Knight

He could very easily make delicate strikes like that

Humiliation was also the reason for cutting off Amicia's hair

[spring flare]

i don't know it doesn't fit that right to me. maybe i should watch that scene again

[proud berry]

Aye probably
Pay attention to how many times Victor taunts her
And has the opportunity to kill her, but choose not to

Like when he slaps her with the sword, moves in to stab her but punches her instead etc

He'd already been outwitted by here before and wanted to get revenge by humiliating her

[spring flare]

i watched it again and no this isn't delicate at all

like again, we see the blood and he really delivers a serious harm

and if anything, he scars her face

[brave shore]

There was no indication of flesh wound and I doubt with the amount of force and power he enforces on her, making her collapse would indicate a scratch mark.

[spring flare]

even if he works that delicate as you state, we at least should've seen a scar on her face

https://youtu.be/r4TLdKZwB30?t=96 watch it right from here and tell me this is a careful attack

[brave shore]

It looked like according to the cut scene that he cut her tendon on her leg

[spring flare]

and look it carefully: he cuts her eye

i can't take a screenshot since it goes so fast but the first blow is aimed to her eye

also there's no cut on her leg either

[proud berry]

I think you're looking at it too deeply tbh

The game is very clear when Amicia has suffered serious wounds, like her head injury or dislocated shoulder
And this clearly was not one of those serious wounds

[spring flare]

but how can't we? every wound amicia got was made a deal

from the wound on her brow to her shoulder

[brave shore]

Looks like he cut 1 inch into her leg

[spring flare]

of course you don't realize these things at the heat of the situation but once you realize it kinda frustrates, at least me

[brave shore]

Could also mean nothing and game character is out of position, but that shouldn't be a thing happening with a cut scene

Unless game designer placed characters on from position

[proud berry]

Trust me you are really looking into too deeply
Mocap and collision is never perfect

And also

[brave shore]

Wrong position*

But bad writing is still bad writing

Especially when you show a cut scene of getting slashed in the face and nothing there afterwards.

[spring flare]

there's a difference between a small and unimportant writing mistake, and a huge flaw

[brave shore]

First thing I did after the rat moment with Hugo was check Amicia's face feature.

[spring flare]

completely ignoring such serious harm alters the story in an enormous scale

[glass wren]

Plot armour

[spring flare]

like if victor just aimed her leg i would say "nevermind" as well

[glass wren]

I noticed it too and also was confused but at the end I considered it either plot armour or just development flaw

[spring flare]

but he hits her eye with a sword