General discussion

[slate elk]

why does the contract deadline property also come out as jan 1900 ? trying to order contracts by deadline but cant. GetTime does the same. cant use it like i do with deals

[daring solar]

The weather is very hot and I wish I could take a shower every hour.

[karmic oracle]

About the mod 😭

[daring solar]

I don't know, I didn't test it

[karmic oracle]

uhh kenhett

i dont think reload mesh was fixed

(for reference): here's how it should look

also to save polygons i merged both pole things but it shows when selected 😭

[slate elk]

@calm sage How do you pause the game in code? I can force pause but the user cant unpause.

[calm sage]

HUD.Instance.GameSpeed = 0, I think

[slate elk]

Doesnt seem to do it on new game attached to IsDoneLoadingGame. Not sure if its because the initial simulation runs, then it unpauses. will have to find a different event i guess

[daring solar]

"I think" 😄

We did that before, but I also forgot how to do it 😄

But I know that there is a function or variable that pauses/unpauses the game

[daring solar]

Maybe IsDoneLoadingGame triggers before the game sets the gamespeed (again)?

But I know that there is a function or such which pauses the game and the user can unpause it

I'm almost sure it's a function 😄 Let me take a look at the random events code real fast

[slate elk]

Its the HUD.instance.GameSpeed = 0
It does work.
However you are right the event IsDoneLoadingLevel is before the market simulation, which has the game paused anyway. The game must then unpause. So I'd have to find an event that is when the market sim is done. Its not a huge deal, was going to be the simplest (for now) mod that just paused the game at the start.

[karmic oracle]

Which one is better for the description of the globe?

• Remind your employees of the world they won't be seeing while crunching code.
• Give your employees a glimpse of the world they're missing out on while working at your company.

this is what i have for the 2nd one but idk if it's good

also kenneth wtf is this english

remove the comma and it should be fine

[grand sonnet]

nah that english is acceptable depending on what is actually trying to be said

and depends which tense

[karmic oracle]

Bruh

It doesn't flow well

[daring solar]

Remind your employees that NASA lies

😄

[karmic oracle]

That's probably too controversial since some people still believe the word is flat

[daring solar]

That's what would make it funny 😢

[slate elk]

Is there a variable to find which version of software inc is currently installed? going to see if i can add stable branch compatibility.

[slate elk]

Aweskme thanks

[kind kiln]

Theres also values for Steam version and Demo???

Demo doesnt seem to be related to non-drm

[slate elk]

Versioning works great, has a method for before to

[slate elk]

what version of c# is this coded on ? im trying to use dynamic types, so i can do backwards compatibility, but it doesnt seem to be able to pick up the Microsoft.CSharp library ?

[kind kiln]

https://softwareinc.coredumping.com/wiki/index.php/Code_Modding

"When you're done, create a subfolder for your mod in a folder called "DLLMods" in the game's root directory and put your compiled .dll file in it, or .cs files if you want the game to compile them for you. Note that if you let the game compile the C# files for you, you are limited to C# version 3, but using the game's compiler is required if you want to upload your mod to the Steam Workshop."

and .NET 4 via class library

[slate elk]

Yeh I did see that but I also had an in game message about version 6 so wasn't sure if it was up to date ?

[amber sleet]

i do not remember

[daring solar]

https://tenor.com/view/scared-im-gif-19003096

[tropic kite]

I mean, you def. will get people to help make a mod by pinging everyone out of nowhere...

And in all the different channels too

[eager plume]

why do u want it so badly? If you are horny just use the internet

[karmic oracle]

Because @half pike wants software inc sexy time

[daring solar]

https://tenor.com/view/bee-buzz-flower-pollen-animation-shrigley-gif-10396928

[eager plume]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-shower-gif-22732282

[gleaming veldt]

@slate elk what about a Better Research mod?

[karmic oracle]

yse

need

[slate elk]

Toying with adding it to SoftwareDevelopment vs a separate mod as there's also patents i could handle.
Separate would make more sense but wouldn't have much to add to it after the automation unlike the others.

[gleaming veldt]

Better stock market too

[summer mountain]

I would suggest separated so each player can decide what modules they want to use. Or maybe one bigger mod? And checks to enable each smaller mod?

[slate elk]

I'll keep them separate. It just means some mods will be really small QOL while others will have more features to them. We will see ! I'm doing bug fixes but for a minute I'm playing the game to !

I have created a collection which will hold them all so thats the easiest way to get all the mods in 1 go.

[slate elk]

@calm sage

Is there anyway to force the options window to refresh while it's open. If people activate my mods while in the options window, the defaults don't get set properly, as the methods that do that cant run until its active.

[calm sage]

the settings are loaded immediately when the mod is loaded, even if the mod isn't active

[slate elk]

ok maybe im setting them in the wrong method. i have a load settings method in the on activate and scene loaded events, which loads / sets defaults if its first time. Should i be setting the defaults directly against the variables in code?

[calm sage]

I think I do it in Start() in the floor mod

ah, yeah, I see what you mean. A work around would be to just have an initialization method that keeps track of whether it has been called, and then call it from the ConstructOptionsScreen and OnActivate, and whichever comes first wins

or couldn't you just do it in the ModMeta's Initialize method?

yeah, the Initialize method is guaranteed to be called right after all options have been loaded, so you can just call LoadSetting on one of the parentMod.Behaviors

[slate elk]

Ok ill try that, thanks

[slate elk]

@calm sage
Any advice on backwards compatibility. Im trying to get my mods to work with 1.6, but they use methods and properties only in 1.7. Unfortunately as reflection isnt supported, i cant use that, and as i can only use c# v3 i cant use dynamics. Any idea how i can call a property that may not exist, and use a different 1 if it doesnt?

[calm sage]

As of the next update I'll add 2 define symbols to mods, SWINCBETA and SWINCBETAX where X is the current version. Which you can use like this:

    Debug.Log("WE ON BETA 1");
#else
    Debug.Log("WE NOT ON BETA 1");
#endif
#if SWINCBETA
    Debug.Log("WE ON BETA");
#else
    Debug.Log("WE NOT ON BETA");
#endif```

I'm going to add SWINCBETA17 just for good measure

make that SWINCBETA107 in case i get to Beta 17.1

[karmic oracle]

since you are here, i would like to know if you have any time to help me with moddable windows: https://discord.com/channels/308552600905580545/1147622640169791558
the main issue is that i cannot place windows on the corner, since there is only 0.3 units of space left when another 0.5 wide window is on that same tile 😄

[slate elk]

Thanks that looks great

[calm sage]

since you are not placing windows, but furniture pretending to be windows, it won't work, furniture need to be kept inside inner wall boundaries

[karmic oracle]

is there no workaround

how do i make my window a segment

[karmic oracle]

hello? is it just something that hasnt been added yet? 😄

[calm sage]

it's not going to be added. Only actual windows will be able to wrap around, so it won't be possible until moddable windows are in

[tropic kite]

Until, so that means they will come!

Moddable windows confirmed

[calm sage]

moddable windows 2054 confirmed

[remote stratus]

@karmic oracle set your calendar!!!

[karmic oracle]

please

release 1.0: moddable doors and windows

also, @calm sage @silent
why didnt you answe my suggestion?

while i pinged you, i also want to ask how progess on the multiplayer update is going, and if it's nearing completion 😄

since i pinged you, i might as well ask **

[calm sage]

I expect the multiplayer update to release officially very soon. There are not going to be bots

[karmic oracle]

no singleplayer but at least there's progress!

maybe one day you can add bots to play against 😄

[calm sage]

you can play against the AI, that's completely different

[karmic oracle]

i know lol
it was a joke

[calm sage]

yeah I know, that's why I ignored your bug report 😄

[karmic oracle]

which bug report?

[karmic oracle]

that was a suggestion

[calm sage]

I feel like you sent the bot question in a bug report

[karmic oracle]

oh right because i always send my reports in broken englich

[calm sage]

as soon as I see ktenneehth I just skip

[karmic oracle]

lmao

me and loco have a bug that might be very bad

let me find it

#bugs message

it has something to do with multiplayer

and lobbies

but i really want to keep it

[calm sage]

what is it?

[karmic oracle]

it's a bug

[calm sage]

it's 1 AM here, I'm heading to bed

[karmic oracle]

add moddable windows to the trello brainstorm and ill say itttt

ok let me give u a screenshot from my dm with loco

red name 😄

[calm sage]

ahh, thanks

[karmic oracle]

trello!

but before you delete it from the rest of the game

let me just tell you that its useful for distinguishing your company from ai in singleplayer

so just disable it for lobby names

[calm sage]

I'll probably just remove tags in multiplayer

[karmic oracle]

yeah

[calm sage]

goodnight

[karmic oracle]

also this made it possible to do this

bye!

just remember to add it to the trello!

[karmic oracle]

please

--oh he went to bed

@franz is a very good pinger and he will gladly remind you to add it to the trello 😄

[tropic kite]

Good night @karmic oracle

[karmic oracle]

it is not even 8pm

but i appreciate it 😄

[gaunt pumice]

wait... he sleeps on a bed?

[karmic oracle]

and yet he stands so firmly against beds as a human right

beds are a human right! everyone should have one

even virtual people deserve rest!

[slate elk]

I've been thinking of this a bit more and unsure, would it support the following scenario:

1.6 stable
1.7 unstable

So region if 1.7
When 1.7 moves to stable, would it still use the correct region?
And when the game moves to 1.8, which code would it use ?

I haven't used regions much but would this essentially let me region a max version and the game choose the right 1:

If 1.6
Blah
Else if 1.7 - 1.8
Blah2
Else
Blah 3

The bottom else would be the latest tip, and can be segmented off as newer code changes if needed. Else I see the mods needing updates when the branches change just because it wouldn't know which bit of code to use.

[eager plume]

Did anything change with data mods in the last couple of updates?

[calm sage]

you could use the BETA symbol for now, then if something changes for 1.8 you could add if BETA108 else if BETA else

for future compatiblity it might make sense to do something likeif !BETA (this is pre 1.7) else if BETA107 (this is 1.7 specific) else (this is for all future versions)

so every time there is a breaking change, you add in the necessary BETA107 || BETA108 || BETA109 in the middle block and write new code in the last block

actually that first if should probably be if !BETA && !RELEASE

[slate elk]

Yeh I thinks thats what I'll do. I can't imagine it being to constant, at the moment I think there's only 3 lines of code in all my mods that need this. Let us know when it's ready !

[calm sage]

Here's the final result #if !SWINCBETA && !SWINCRELEASE (this is beta pre 1.7) #elif SWINCBETA1_7 || SWINCBETA1_8 (Something broke in beta 1.9, so this is sectioned off) #elif SWINCBETA1_9 || SWINCBETA1_10 (Something broke in beta 1.11, so this is sectioned off) #else (This is for all future versions beta 1.11+) #endif

I think I'm going to change SWINCBETA107 to SWINCBETA1_7

[slate elk]

That's definitely clearer and prevents numbering issues as they get bigger

[eager plume]

Kenneth

[calm sage]

nope

[eager plume]

Okay

[karmic oracle]

!trello

Bruh

Kenneth, add it to brainstorm! 😄

It's not an immediate obligation to add it to the game

Just a little card on a trello

[karmic oracle]

This

[eager plume]

Stop it CF

[karmic oracle]

No, it's whay I ask for

[slate elk]

@calm sage
does 1.6 have any behind the scenes quality modifiers like 1.7 ?

[slate elk]

also does anyone else keep having the tyd file lose the steam mod id ? i have to keep re adding it.

[karmic oracle]

ive had that happen when i RELOAD_FURNITURE_MOD

in your case it might be RELOAD_DLL_MOD

thats why i mostly just relaunch the game every time

only takes a few more seconds and it doesnt break stuff

[slate elk]

@calm sage
Does MarketingEndQualityEstimate have any affect on contracts?

[slate elk]

also is there a benefit to only doing part of a design iteration ?

[slate elk]

Oo and is it possible to add new roles, or is that locked down at the moment ?
Either new skills like Marketing under Service, or entirely new sections like Service.

[eager plume]

I am pretty sure rhere is a way, just not sure how

[kind kiln]

If you want things that can be coded / designed or made art of, then

https://softwareinc.coredumping.com/wiki/index.php/Data_Modding#Elements
see specfeatures

For leader / support stuff, idk

But probably is a way

[slate elk]

I want to ideally create a whole new section, and maybe add some to existing, so not sure data mod will be enough, looks like its only for software. However I will use that page and see if I can find anything in code. But so far I can't find anything to do with creating skills

[slate elk]

anyone know if you can resize an existing ui component in code mods? theres not alot of room on some windows id like to add a button to

[gleaming veldt]

Any chance you plan GamerJSP on doing a BetterStocks mod?

[slate elk]

Uhh I could do, would have to map out what that is. I'm currently trying to add features to contracts and deals, but need @calm sage to feedback if I can mod in new skills. Was taking a small break from coding.

[summer mountain]

Do you plan on doing separate mods for the quality of life and the adding of features?

[slate elk]

For the features I have for contracts and deals, it will be added to the existing ones, as they are optional of you want to use them, wouldn't ruin a vanilla game with them just being there. Think most of the ideas are listed on the mod pages

[calm sage]

Not sure what you mean

[calm sage]

Nope

[calm sage]

yes

[calm sage]

nope, they are hardcoded enums

[karmic oracle]

hey kenneth

can you help with moddable windows

im just asking that you fulfill your promise by adding it to the brainstorm in the trello 😄

because i did kind of report that bug, which i only intended to trade for actual help with modding it in

but instead i settled on this

and you havent even done that yet 🥲

[calm sage]

[tropic kite]

I am going to make an assumption here: Kenneth addad moddable window support for the next update 👻

Too bad only veterans have access to the secret secret beta. We can use moddable windows already.

Poor @karmic oracle

[karmic oracle]

to put it as kenneth did in our first multiplayer game:

FUKC YUO

☹️

[eager plume]

he just banned the update for CF's ip

[daring solar]

What about moddable doors Kenneth?

[tropic kite]

I bet @eager plume would be happy about that

[daring solar]

Kenneth should do a $99,99 DLC for that

[tropic kite]

agree

I know someone dumb enough to buy it

[daring solar]

He could even make two DLCs out of it. One for windows and one for doors

[tropic kite]

win-win

[daring solar]

@karmic oracle is eager to invest in the future of SINC

[karmic oracle]

you pinged the wrong @karmic oracle 😄

[karmic oracle]

😔 im gonna have to rob kenneths bank account to afford that

[tropic kite]

Nah @karmic oracle I am sure I pinged the right @river kelp

[karmic oracle]

@tropic kite is actually the og CF from 2016

me when no moddable doors

why is this in my office accessories folder

bruh it was there since august

i have no idea what that was supposed to be for

[tropic kite]

😂

[karmic oracle]

oh oh oh

it was for this

steve bobs sexy time

[eager plume]

thx for the ping, but no thx idx abt that

[eager plume]

u didnt

[gaunt pumice]

oh shit sex mod?!!?!

[karmic oracle]

lmfao yes

i think it was for a video trailer for the mod i was planning on making

like what i did with my other mod construction accessories

[eager plume]

is there a way i can have featers forced as enabled?

like u can with the specs

can i make a feater depend on another feature? if yes can i also do it between 2 different software types?

[karmic oracle]

Feeter

🦶

[karmic oracle]

whar

[eager plume]

You okay dude?

[eager plume]

Can i have 1 feature being required before using another one?

[karmic oracle]

You no english

[karmic oracle]

https://discord.com/channels/308552600905580545/1115036312186130482

[daring solar]

@calm sage you why did you change the SoftwareProduct.Bugs to SoftwareProduct.Bugss this did break my mod 😄

Will this be changed back or do I need to update my mod?

I see, this was changed ^^

Sad

[eager plume]

?

[daring solar]

SoftwareProducts.Bugs doesn't exist anymore

Its SoftwareProducts.Bugss now 😄

[eager plume]

looks like kenneth added more bugss

[tropic kite]

I always knew Kenneth is innovative

[eager plume]

atleast the game is getting updates

and also some bugss, but thats what u get when it is a 1 man team

[daring solar]

I mean he did with one update remove absolutely all bugs

[eager plume]

Yeh, he just added them bugss

[calm sage]

Yeah, I changed it to bugss, specifically to break code mods, or they would break the game, basically

Using ChangeBugs(), AddBugs() and FixBugs() will make the mod work properly with networking etc.

This is what happens when you try to tack on multiplayer to a 9 year old game

[daring solar]

Yeah I could easily fix the problem with those functions

[remote stratus]

top 10 functions number 1

[daring solar]

The startbugs parameter triggers me because its not startBugs

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-stewie-griffin-gone-crazy-insane-letter-l-gif-17135412

[eager plume]

TW: wrong name for startbugs

[daring solar]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/csharp/fundamentals/coding-style/identifier-names
"Use camelCase for method arguments, local variables, and private fields."
Just want to troll Kenneth a little bit so everytime he sees the startbugs variable he thinks "Damn, daRedLoCo was right!"

[tropic kite]

It's actually a bug intended to bug you

[daring solar]

Kenneth wants me to have a mental breakdown 😢

[calm sage]

No need, visual studio already does it for me

[daring solar]

I've seen the green stuff on the bottom 😄

Nobody is perfect, but you're pretty much close to it 😄

It's pure luxury modding for SINC if you see other games 😄

[karmic oracle]

loco, are you okay?

[daring solar]

https://tenor.com/view/ive-never-felt-better-master-chief-pablo-schreiber-halo-never-better-gif-25705684

[sinful gorge]

Has anyone seen or had luck in useing Harmony to mod?

[half pike]

Don't know why it shouldnt work, melonloader which uses harmony does work

[sinful gorge]

oh awsome thanks, wasnt sure, was haveing trouble with it but might of been a me thing, thanks

[daring solar]

It works fine.

We did use it at some point, but it did work as expected, you just wouldnt have the playerbase you'd have without it because of how open the code is.

But its totally possible to use harmony or any other modding framework for it

Bepinex for example works fine as well

You've the mono code on your hands with SINC and those two frameworks we did test for certain things like adding meteores and it did work

Dont ask me how, but I've seen it working

As I said, it would probably lower your playerbase to a quarter or less, just because general modding without a framework is just that good. We could make network connections and such without the need of Harmony and such

So in 90% of the usecases you wouldnt need harmony and could find some workaround.

But if you can explain for what you want to use harmony, I could tell you if its needed or not 😅

[sinful gorge]

Thanks ya, so It was partially a curiosity when I was looking at the some of the code for retention, but i realized I don't understand how retention work to even know if I need it 😅.

So it's mainly around how do I keep my players in the game when I add an expansion pack. am personally thinking games like WOW for example. Cause it feels like there is nothing I can do to add more players or keep the ones I have it just feels random so I was wanting to learn around that.

I had other random ideas like
Updating keeps players in the game or software. Or brings players back so similar to what we see in steam charts with games that we see them go up and go down. And updating the software brings peaple back

Also I have an idea around
Early access in development stage if the design faze was good then it would add more fans and give alot of bug fixing in the dev faze and bug report faze. Am basing this thought around games like stormgate doing beta testing that also better informs things in the game they might want to change, bringing in peaple who play the games like pros and content creators that help inform and make the game better.

[daring solar]

@languid dawn https://github.com/daredloco/Random-Events-Mod-for-Software-Inc this probably helps as well, in case you want to have a popup shown up

This mod has a popup which would show up and pause the game at the same time. Maybe thats something you want to have. It also writes notifications

The EventWindow class is what you want to check out if you want a popup.

But feel free to ask if you've any questions

[languid dawn]

Yep, thank you

[karmic oracle]

i was thinking of maybe getting into code modding

just maybe

so i made this logo

i hope it doesnt infringe on kenneth's trademark 🤞

i dont know if it's a good logo

definitely not as good as i had imagined

but it works

[eager plume]

Core is not the same as Coredumping

Or whatever the company is called

[daring solar]

Kernedumpling

[daring solar]

If you need some help just tell me

[sinful gorge]

Looks great, def give me high quality mod vibe

[karmic oracle]

poggers

[karmic oracle]

@karmic oracle @covert peak

Art

New discord remix feature thing

Doesn't let me put text for some reason

[gaunt pumice]

@unborn vale

[true meteor]

Can i use a post here to document an mod that i am doing or is it just a final showcase

[unborn vale]

?

[eager plume]

Anything mod related.

The biggest part of the mod is making it.

Would be weird to not allow it

[eager plume]

Idk if possible but could someone make a mod that automatically selects your or your subsidiaries software when updating or developing a new product.

[daring solar]

You can post anything mod related

So yeah, you can totally make a post about it

[hallow plover]

hi

[karmic oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/napoleon-dynamite-wave-bye-gif-1707214696221153840

[karmic oracle]

aw 🙁

[tropic kite]

lmao what

[karmic oracle]

hello franz

[tropic kite]

"The world should be full of love and trust." is their bio. It seems like Discord does not trust them 😦

[karmic oracle]

😔

wanna play some swinc

[tropic kite]

lmao no wtf why would I want to play that game

nah tbh I'm doing something different atm

We gotta wait til loco is back

[karmic oracle]

@daring solar are you asleep

[tropic kite]

He got too much time yesterday

lol

[karmic oracle]

let me make sure you are awake @daring solar

good morning @daring solar

[karmic oracle]

doing what? 😄

[tropic kite]

Let's say from Saturday on I got more than enough time

[karmic oracle]

but jesusmas

[tropic kite]

Jesusman is on Sunday

[karmic oracle]

its on monday

[tropic kite]

Depends on how you celebrate

Here we tend to do it on the 24th already

[karmic oracle]

oh

if i fly to switzerland and come back do i get double the presents

...or double the coal? 😔

[tropic kite]

As a stonks man, you likely get the coal

😠

[karmic oracle]

:sad:

let me show you my company in openttd and you tell me if its worthy of presents or coal

[tropic kite]

BTW did you realize that loco was online for like 30 seconds before?

He got your ping

and ignored it

and went offline again

[karmic oracle]

ah

@daring solar good afternoon 😄

(revenge for your pingathon

)

[tropic kite]

dude wait we spam the modding general discussion

sorry

[karmic oracle]

am i getting coal for christmas

kevin o'leary is my ceo

[tropic kite]

#off_topic

[karmic oracle]

tooooo late

you are like the kid that snitches on everyone to the teacher

[tropic kite]

and you should know when to switch up because some channels really shouldn't get filled with unrelated content 😉

[karmic oracle]

mod mod

mod, modmod modding mod!

Calculator:
Battery, Solar Cell
Keypad
Display Panel (segmented display, dot matrix display)
Case
Processor chip

there

random modding stuff i posted to my alts dm which is basically a dump for random stuff at this point

[eager plume]

Not for me

[daring solar]

Not on purpose 😄

[karmic oracle]

penis plane!

r/theynew 😄

[brisk tiger]

Real

[jolly stone]

So idk if it exists, but is there a mod that addresses inconsistent ordering of Designer-Programmer roles in vanilla UI? #suggestions message

[brisk tiger]

100% should make a datamod where you can make missiles and 'missile targeting software'

[karmic oracle]

oh shit

thats like

that like fits in to what i wanted to make 😄

[brisk tiger]

Time to speed run learning how to make swinc data mods

Fuuuk

I gotta read this

Not really

But just software and harware

[karmic oracle]

you gotta understand it too 😄

[brisk tiger]

Yeah 💀

[karmic oracle]

i tried getting chat gpt to make shit for me but it cant follow the format i gave it

i spent 15 minutes teaching it all the wiki stuff and giving it the vanilla tyds

it still failed

[brisk tiger]

Not even ChatGPT understands swinc

[karmic oracle]

whap a shape 😔

[brisk tiger]

Ok good

[karmic oracle]

also:
Win+Shit+S
Fn+Insert
Print Screen

win shit

[brisk tiger]

There's example I can copy

[brisk tiger]

Shit device that can't run discord

[karmic oracle]

discord web

[brisk tiger]

Nah uh

I need visual studio code and for some reason that fucks my igpu up somehow

[karmic oracle]

it runs on my 6 year old tablet laptop

[brisk tiger]

💀

[karmic oracle]

im waiting for armto get good so i can get a new laptop 😔

arm to

💪

arm

[brisk tiger]

Arm

My phone could run windows 11

It meets all the minimum requirements💀

Swinc on phone

[karmic oracle]

my desktop cpu is 11 years old

it runs a lot better than you'd think

[brisk tiger]

Okay

Vsc doesn't trust my folder 💀

[brisk tiger]

I made it and have no idea if it'll worm

Work

But I'll find out later

[karmic oracle]

I am going to steal your idea

I wrote a bunch of stuff on paper

But I'll write my main points:

Short range missile: 800k / 500k
Intermediate range missile: 6.4m / 6m
Cruise missile: 4.2m / 3.6m
ICBM: 18m / 16m

Warhead+propulsion system+casing+guidance system = final product

Would be interesting to see if it's possible to make it balanced with such a high IdealPrice

Would have to bring down Popularity to like 0.001 to make it work

I'll expand this with tanks, planes, and other military stuff

And I'll integrate it with my previously existing idea for appliances and devices and furniture like tables, chairs, calculators, microwaves, fridges, clocks, etc.

[brisk tiger]

💀

[karmic oracle]

The missile knows where it is

[brisk tiger]

That's the description for my mod

[karmic oracle]

aha

[brisk tiger]

I haven't published nor tested it yet

[karmic oracle]

The missile knows where it is by substracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is, whichever is greater.

[brisk tiger]

Because I just woke up

[karmic oracle]

what did you price it at

the missile software product thing

[brisk tiger]

The software is 100k with 0.001 popularity

[karmic oracle]

does it work well

[brisk tiger]

Haven't checked

I went to sleep before I could

[karmic oracle]

you're awake now 😄

try it

[brisk tiger]

I just woke up 😦

[karmic oracle]

do you live on the west coast

[brisk tiger]

I live in the southern hemeisphere

Not USA

[karmic oracle]

ah

well i hope you had a good sleep

i woke up and immediately started playing video games a few hours ago 😄

ive got nothing better to do

[brisk tiger]

Average human in 2023^

[karmic oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-robot-dancing-funny-gif-14355392

[brisk tiger]

I'll be in 2024 before the entire world

Not lying btw

[karmic oracle]

lucky 😄

maybe not though

who knows if there'll be a second coronavirus!

[brisk tiger]

Yeahhhh

But this time it's from a Indian pig

(A pig from India Not a person)

[karmic oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/haram-heisenberg-gif-20680378

[brisk tiger]

Bruh it failed to load my mod

Ffs

[karmic oracle]

whats the error

[brisk tiger]

Do I need to add a meta manually

[karmic oracle]

what does that mean

[brisk tiger]

Failed to load mod [modname]

[karmic oracle]

oh yeah just add a meta.tyd

[brisk tiger]

🙂

[karmic oracle]

and inside i think you have to put in Data mod

lemme check

[brisk tiger]

The documentation isn't very specific

[karmic oracle]

nvm Data mod goes in the TypeInfo.txt document

i think it makes the mod meta by itself if you go in the mods menu in the main menu

[brisk tiger]

Alr

Time to relaunch

[karmic oracle]

you can go in console and do RELOAD_MOD too 😄

[brisk tiger]

Failed again 😦

[karmic oracle]

oh no

paste the error here

[brisk tiger]

Forgor to put data mod in the info.txt

💀

[karmic oracle]

burg

bruh

[brisk tiger]

Mod is empty wtf

Yeah it isn't empty

There's the software file, the meta and the TypeInfo file

Or it's not supported by beta 1.7

[karmic oracle]

is it spewing out any errors

[brisk tiger]

In the console it just says Mod is empty or not supported by this version of software inc

[karmic oracle]

did you put it in the mods folder

or in the DLL mods folder

[brisk tiger]

Yes

Mods folder

[karmic oracle]

hmm

[brisk tiger]

Mods > MissleMod

[karmic oracle]

can you send the zip of the mod

ill try to see if i can fix it

[brisk tiger]

Sure

[karmic oracle]

oh i see what you did wrong

and i see what i forgot

you need 3 folders

let me show

[brisk tiger]

Wth I need 3

[karmic oracle]

name generators

company types

[brisk tiger]

I see

[karmic oracle]

and software types

name generators govern the names generated

company types = how many companies make the products

and software types you already made

[brisk tiger]

Yeah I see that now

Let's see if it works

Error applying Mod with error

Yet it loaded correctly

[karmic oracle]

so it works?

[brisk tiger]

Yeah

I gotta check ingame first but

Ah but now it won't show up in the mods list when you start a new game

Hmm

Fixed

I hope

[karmic oracle]

hmmmm

[brisk tiger]

It's fixed

And working

Just wish I could add mods to existing saves

[karmic oracle]

that would break lots of stuff 😄

hmmmmmm software inc new software for release??

[brisk tiger]

Hmmmm

[karmic oracle]

yipee data modding

[brisk tiger]

Yippee

[karmic oracle]

ah, math

my favourite calculator brand

[eager plume]

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-math-hangover-allen-zach-galifianakis-gif-6219070

[karmic oracle]

yippeeeeee

it sucks

[eager plume]

Can it calculate its own profit?

[karmic oracle]

1: i forgor to make graphing calculations optional

2: graphing and algebra calculators should just be their own categories

and 3: selecting only 1 of the graphing calculator subfeatures basically satisfies any need for more features

[eager plume]

Isn't that pretty easy to change?

[karmic oracle]

eyah

but 2. means i basically wasted my time

and i also have to finish hardware

and i also have to make a hardware design

which means i only did 1/3

and its been like 5 hours

[eager plume]

Well, that sucks

https://tenor.com/view/detroit-meme-give-up-suicide-suicide-or-give-up-gif-13476851748239446279

[unborn vale]

Thoose Australians 😄 Also poor americans gonna be the last

[brisk tiger]

Not Australian but ok

[eager plume]

Lucky for them they are not last at military spending 🇺🇸 🦅

[half pike]

new zealand?

[brisk tiger]

Ye

[karmic oracle]

Kiwi

https://tenor.com/view/run-kiwi-cute-bird-gif-15759703

[karmic oracle]

Hello. Thos

[limber elm]

Sadly not i think, it is very sad

[eager plume]

Hey! You are back

[limber elm]

Never left?

[eager plume]

Havent seen you in a while

Like all year

[limber elm]

Yea thats true, i dont have steam version so its impossible for me to play in multiplayer.

And i play another game almost daily

www.simcompanies.com

[eager plume]

Oh, atleast you have the game. Thats the most important part

[limber elm]

Yup

[eager plume]

Why did u get the drm free version?

[limber elm]

I dunno

There was not a warning "ur not gonna be able to easily download mods and no multiplayer" (tbf it was not on the roadmap)

[eager plume]

Mods are pretty ez

U need to get a steam workshop downloader from github

[eager plume]

Can you still play LAN?

[limber elm]

As if i have Friends

But yes

[eager plume]

You have me

I can make it work

[eager plume]

With lan

[limber elm]

Are you in Apeldoorn?

[eager plume]

Nope

I can still make it work

[limber elm]

How?

[eager plume]

Some sketchy app

When can you play?

R u from The Netherlands?

[limber elm]

What do you think?

[limber elm]

I am getting off my train so in about an hour

[eager plume]

Just a question, to know ur timezone

I can play at 7 pm

I can try to help u then?

Not 100% sure its gonna work

[limber elm]

Ye sure

[eager plume]

And if it does you can only play with ppl who download the same app

[daring solar]

Here @karmic oracle https://github.com/daredloco/Random-Events-Mod-for-Software-Inc/blob/master/src/random_events.tyd you can add your own events 😄

[karmic oracle]

ok

i will get chat gpt to get all the historical events up to present day

one day

[daring solar]

oh, historical is here https://github.com/daredloco/Random-Events-Mod-for-Software-Inc/blob/master/src/world_events.tyd

[karmic oracle]

oh dear

[daring solar]

Some of the events have an effect, some are just "visual" ^^

[karmic oracle]

i see why you stopped at 83

😅

[daring solar]

lmao

[eager plume]

wdym visual?

[karmic oracle]

this will be a lot of work to get to modern day 😄

[daring solar]

No effect at all, only the popup

But I mean you can add any effect you want. I wanted to make it more like "The Movies" where a war for example would push your popularity in "strategy games" or such

[karmic oracle]

ive always wondered how to use this
https://github.com/daredloco/software-inc-utilities

should i learn how to do c#

[eager plume]

yes

[karmic oracle]

i really couldnt be bothered to, thats the issue

[daring solar]

Yes, and some of the Gameplay stuff is outdated because Kenneth is mean 😄

https://github.com/daredloco/software-inc-utilities/blob/2af63245cd2fb7aea3ae53873f9b8b5a5ba3e93a/SincUtilities/SincUtilities/Gameplay.cs#L825 for example 😢

[karmic oracle]

ahh one day ill get into this

😔

[daring solar]

random events are great, because they're written in the TYD format

[karmic oracle]

yeah i could do that if i had a good 10 hours

i do have lots of time

but i would rather play video games

not make the video game 😄

[daring solar]

I do understand you 😄

[karmic oracle]

i have quite a bit of money to throw around
is teardown really worth that much?

franz has all of these games

i should ask him

[eager plume]

teardon is free with psplus extra

[daring solar]

and you should ask him in #off_topic 😄

[eager plume]

is there a way to have a software type sell better as subscription?

[unborn vale]

If you have large fanbase for that software type then i think so

[eager plume]

but not have it in the .tyd file?

like Force Subscription?

[unborn vale]

Oh

Idk about that

Well maybe you can increase the popularity

In file

[karmic oracle]

[eager plume]

what?

[karmic oracle]

it appears...

there may be

an impostor... among us!

[eager plume]

look again

[karmic oracle]

CS2isapowerpointslideshow made his logo pretty similar to that of construction a. and office a. 🤔

only a slightly lighter background and no glow

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[eager plume]

is that not a compliment?

[unborn vale]

I didnt saw you have a patent for that type of logo 😄

[eager plume]

he researched it but forgot to patent it

[karmic oracle]

https://media1.tenor.com/m/1u15ulrFh1EAAAAC/asc.gif

made a farm but no one wants to eat the fresh carrots

i wonder why 😔

[eager plume]

bad quality food

maybe they are anti vegetables?

[karmic oracle]

it costs 300$ a month to maintain 1 carrot 😂

and its very ugly

[eager plume]

it looks worse than minecraft carrots

[karmic oracle]

ƎꟼYTOTOЯꟼ

[eager plume]

yes

[karmic oracle]

truly an advancement in graphical fidelity

[karmic oracle]

it has come to me that i cannot make anything ressembling a leaf 😂

[eager plume]

Why dont you just use a tree prop and make it small?

[karmic oracle]

oh shit

youre right

i can just copy what lasse made for the leaves

and just put them on the "tige"

(the one time i only know the word in french 😂)

stem

thats the word aha

[eager plume]

how does it look now?

[karmic oracle]

it's now up to 3 😄

[unborn vale]

Farming Inc. 😄

[karmic oracle]

tractor batteries not included

hey tractors

brb

[unborn vale]

[karmic oracle]

ok on second though i have no fucking idea how to model a tractor 😂

[karmic oracle]

thoguthj

otyhug

toyhut

thouth

thoguth

thought

[unborn vale]

brain.exe has stopped working. Do you want to close it?

[karmic oracle]

There is no option to close it if the desired application does not exist in the selected drive at all!

[karmic oracle]

@half pikenep any wodr?

holy shit

why does it fucking do it now

@half pikeny

WHY

sorry for the pings

is there any feature to disable automatic conversion to ping whatever?

[unborn vale]

Yea just write their name without @

[karmic oracle]

@karmic oracles

Bruh

This is a new discord update for sure

Andddd it sucks

[unborn vale]

Nope, its not doing it for me so its something on your side

[karmic oracle]

hehe

great idea

though i cant do the second part with only a furniture mod 😄

[prime marlin]

hey, wheres the new data modding folder for the newest version, i've downloaded the beta 1.7.15 file and saw that there was an error when my mod was loading

[karmic oracle]

It's just Software Inc\Mods

[karmic oracle]

Tried an ai logo generator and it wasn't actually that bad

I like the magnet 🧲

And yes, I did want to make a really big data mod with like 100 different hardware 😄

[prime marlin]

? I have the file in the mods folder in the main game directory

[tropic kite]

Though adding that much to the game will cripple the economy. Meaning every company will sell a shitton and the game will be way too easy to play even on impossible.

I remember the mod that added a lot of computer stuff. In the end not all product groups actually had releases. Meaning if you release something there you sell a shitton since you're the only one without competitors.

That's a bit the issue with the economy of the game

[karmic oracle]

Do you have all 3 of these folders already set up? SoftwareTypes, CompanyTypes, and NameGenerators?

You can't dump everything in the main folder like with a furniture mod

[karmic oracle]

This is something that I will eventually end up having to look into

I did make one of those old "more companies" mods and I didn't necessarily have the same issue, but that could be because it didn't really add any new software types

Maybe if this is really an unavoidable issue, I will entice Loco to make something for me 😄

I mean, make something, for the community!

When I get home, I do want to try out making some random furniture products and see how to make manufacturing work properly guess who only remembered to try that right before going to bed

I wonder how the ai will handle "software" with relatively few subfeatures

A table can only have so many addons, so that is definitely something I'm anxious about 😄

[prime marlin]

thanks, i fixed it!

[eager plume]

whats the vanilla softwaretype download link?

i can't find it on the site or wiki

[unborn vale]

https://softwareinc.coredumping.com/wiki/Beta17Data.zip

[eager plume]

Thx

[manic dirge]

Yo what game is this?

[karmic oracle]

open ttd

basically transport fever 2 but for people who have shitty laptops who cant run anything else

[manic dirge]

looked fun thanks

Also Kenneth I would like report a major bug in the game. Your employees stay with your company for more than 2 years!? We all know SWE's are known for job hopping. plaesE fex!!!!

[cyan kite]

How do i make mods?

[manic dirge]

You have to go to school for it. for like 8 years.

If your talking about data modding then you can follow this:
https://discord.com/channels/308552600905580545/1125173749621198890

also this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmjh_BxEz1M
https://softwareinc.coredumping.com/wiki/index.php/Modding

Also all of my mods and some other peoples are open source:
https://github.com/MasonScarbro/MiniProjs/blob/main/SoftwareIncMod/Indie_Game.tyd
and I would recommend this software in order to decompile the game code if your making a code mod.
https://www.jetbrains.com/decompiler/

[cyan kite]

I'm not sure if you're joking about needing 8 years of education. I wanna give a try I have ideas. One simple idea I have is a like a pinball machine to lower stress. I just need some direction. I do appreciate your help.

[unborn vale]

depends on what type of mod you want to make, if you want to make furniture mod as you said then you need to have some skills in 3D modeling software like blender for example and then follow the guide on swinc mod wiki. Data mods which are for software types are also quite easy but if you want more complex functions then you would need to go to code mods which are the hardest since you need to know how to program in C#

[manic dirge]

I was joking yes. Tbh I have close to zero experiance with 3d art modding and I have no idea how to do it. But there are others that are pretty proficient that will help.

although in a funny way since code modding is a thing and you can learn code by getting a 4 or 8 year degree in CS then yea. But for most mods you dont need to be that proficient in the language, especially since modding is a niche sort of form of coding and mostly relies on aid from the developer in order to actually do anything. Other than syntax I can confidently say that after going to college for 2 years, creating games, programming languages, .NET apps all with C# I have used NONE of the principles other than syntax for modding. Its just too "specific"🤷‍♂️

[karmic oracle]

yeah new stuff from the bookshelf

all i did myself was separate it and arrange each row of books in a way where it wont look like it's going to fall

i also added a middle snap-on point for the shelf so larger items could fit, but im having trouble with groups 😪

i also already had these other 3 things (plus one that i forgot to texture!), so for the one random person who actually cares, i think i'll be releasing 3.0 to office accessories this week

^^ along with more shelves and tables, of course 😄

i still have lots of crap to fix, though 😅

[daring solar]

you can subscribe to https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2815703806 and analyze how he made it.

you can find the data in {steam_folder}\steamapps\workshop\content{whatever_id_softwareinc_is}{whatever_id_the_mod_is}

But both folders should be the latest ones

So if you download his mod, they should be in the latest ID in content and latest id in this folder

[eager plume]

362620

swinc id

[daring solar]

Mod id could be 2815703806 but im not sure 😄

[eager plume]

yeah the link says id=2815703806 than id probably is 2815703806

[daring solar]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-probably-kyle-broflovski-south-park-s19e5-safe-space-gif-20528339

[cyan kite]

wow, its already been down. lol.

[karmic oracle]

[unborn vale]

🥶

[karmic oracle]

pour some, start a fire, leave

[unborn vale]

why that sounds like cooking recipe

[karmic oracle]

cooking on a larger scale

[eager plume]

Explosions?

[unborn vale]

Would that get past fire safety check?

[eager plume]

Yes

Its safely concealed

[karmic oracle]

rip loco

[remote stratus]

yep hes dead in real life

[karmic oracle]

hehe i found the campaign missions

i probably shouldnt spoil it for myself 😄

[daring solar]

Nooooooooooooooooo

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/darthvader-nooooo-funny-starwars-no-gif-4920019

[karmic oracle]

stackable stairs: coming to a retailer near you in 2035

[karmic oracle]

i somehow broke the game and got the mesh atlas working somehoiwe

but it doesnt work

[karmic oracle]

fountain update

it acts as a watercooler

so employees will walk up to it and have a chat with others

[remote stratus]

you should make it so that employees get water from it

[karmic oracle]

thats what they do already 😄

not an intentional feature, but i couldn't have employees come to it if it wasnt a watercooler

[karmic oracle]

added a plain version and tweaked the smoothness a little bit

lowered the noise to 1.5 too

[karmic oracle]

more. furniture.

i would add it in household accessories but i feel like it's better off being in office accessories for now

[remote stratus]

🦆

also for the single-colour duck can we chance the colour of it

i want a duck with the colour #720E61

[karmic oracle]

🙁

i should have considered that

[karmic oracle]

burh

[karmic oracle]

ok i thought about it for a minute and i realized that atlas materials cannot have extra textures

and because the duck on the left has 4 colours, i cant really have colour enabled

😦

[remote stratus]

find a way

[daring solar]

https://tenor.com/view/customer-service-do-you-know-the-way-du-yu-kno-de-wey-gif-13342854

[remote stratus]

hey 2018 called they want their shitty meme back

[karmic oracle]

asked for permission and didnt wait for an answer

and it was for a mod that's cancelled 😭

[cyan kite]

I have a mod idea. A file cabinet. It gives the same bonus as a wall clock. But looks like a file cabinet. How do I do this?

Should be simple enough to model

[karmic oracle]

filing cabinets already exist: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2786020533

however if you just want to get started on furniture modding, just follow the wiki and the video tutorial
https://softwareinc.coredumping.com/wiki/index.php/Furniture_Modding

the in-game furniture editor is a huge help, too

[unborn vale]

VP collection is amazing

[karmic oracle]

i would have still used it if they were vanilla style 😩

[unborn vale]

Wdym?

[karmic oracle]

they dont have normal maps and aren't shaded smooth

no extra maps either ^^

so they stick out like a sore thumb when i put them in an office

[karmic oracle]

^^ probably a good idea to redo them then 😄

[unborn vale]

Well, never bothered me😅

[karmic oracle]

anoucxniogn the rlealse of hte mnew consturnon acoesries update

comign out i n htis cnetuiry

form nwo on it wlil csot 5 $ adn all procesdee wil go to dastsami

[tropic kite]

Free datsami! Donation for a good cause.

[karmic oracle]

hey where can i claim my free datsami

[daring solar]

@karmic oracle is using Duolingo that much that he forgot how to write in english

[karmic oracle]

vrai

[eager plume]

Faux

[unborn vale]

Faux pas

[eager plume]

Ne faux pas

[karmic oracle]

il faut que tu apprennes à parler en français

[daring solar]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-brian-gif-13873621

[young plume]

any linux users using mods without steam? I've got furniture mods working fine, and 6 of the 12 code/data mods are loading, but I'm not sure what I've done wrong with the rest - a specific example is the Better Contracts mod that's showing up as failing to load when the game starts - where is that supposed to go in the file tree?

[karmic oracle]

havent used linux but code mods should be going in the DLLMods folder, and data mods stay in the Mods one

[daring solar]

What does it say in the log?

[young plume]

odd, the DLLMods folder wasn't auto-created on linux, but I'll give that a try, thanks

[daring solar]

But yeah, code mods have to be put into DLLMods, not sure about compability, but as they're compiled in realtime it should owrk

[young plume]

yep, that worked, after accepting the warning messages

[lucid island]

Is custom map modding a thing? I made this building but needed to play with the custom map mode to make it work, but now learned it is not possible to play on this map and 'buy' empty plots like the big area that accepts this large building I created... I'd like to see if I can accomplish this goal through modding, or if that is not a possibility.

[unborn vale]

Nope, custom maps aint thing

[lucid island]

https://tenor.com/view/trash-computer-pissed-off-angry-dumpster-gif-15653703

( <sigh> thank you)

[unborn vale]

You can only play with the seed, so you get what you like but its very tedius

[unborn vale]

In data mods is it possible to create OR dependency? Like to create one product you need to use other product but there are two types you can use but you dont need to use both of them, only one.

[daring solar]

Wht

[lucid island]

Can you provide a real world example of such software?

[lucid island]

I had my LLM AI explain a few real world examples, I see what you mean - things like AutoCAD can be purchased and used for drafting, yet you can purchase additional software that extends its functionality (but does not work on its own, requiring the base AutoCAD) such as electrical design, mechanical design, etc.

Prolly the closest approximation we can get rn in SWINC is the addons, but maybe with mods more is possible?

I get that's what you're asking, but it's got me intrigued as well, makes me wanna get into modding more myself.

[daring solar]

@calm sage how can we access the tooltips that show up for example when hovering over the Creativity Label (the one next to the slider)
I try to change them, but can't find an easy way to do so. Are those Tooltip components? Because I can't seem to access them with 😢

[karmic oracle]

he's too busy with the next feature creep 😔

or campaign

surely he wouldnt lie to me

and release campaign in this half

surely he wouldnt

kenneth is a man of honour

...except when it comes to moddable doors 😮‍💨

[unborn vale]

Better it be campaign

[daring solar]

I hope not, because Campaign would be one of the last things Kenneth is working on and that can't be

[calm sage]

Use the GUIToolTipper. ToolTipValue is the header and TooltipDescription is the main text

[daring solar]

Is it a direct component of the gameobject (like label)?

Will try it, because I did basically deactivate and change everything you made balancingwise in 8+ years in less than a week 🤑

What should go wrong?

I've also seen that loan percentage is a constant, am I right? Sad, because I want more expensive loans

All to make CF cry because he wouldnt be able to win 😆

[calm sage]

yeah, it's a MonoBehaviour

[daring solar]

Nice, thanks 🥰

[daring solar]

That did work, thanks Kenneth 😄 But how do I get rid of the [NoLoc]? ^^

GENERATE_LOCALIZATION does not work for code mods 😦

[calm sage]

Localize = false

you can still add localizations to code mods, though

[daring solar]

How can I do that? Would be nice to have it localized 😄

[calm sage]

Add a Localization folder, and then add a folder for each language and add a .tyd file with the translations

[daring solar]

So Localization/English/whatevername.tyd and inside of it a list of key value pairs?

[calm sage]

yeah, exactly

[daring solar]

Great, will give it a try

HA it did work 😄

Thanks again Kenneth 🙂

[calm sage]

Thanks for making mods 😄

[daring solar]

Need to make it a little more difficult for CF, if not he is not happy 😅 But good to be back in the modding business 🤩

[karmic oracle]

what if we could get paid 0.01$ for every subscriber to each mod

that would be fun

i'd make like a hundred bucks

this is in your interest kenneth, trust me 😁

[unborn vale]

dont forget steam cut

[karmic oracle]

nah just get kenneth to paypal it to every modder 😄

or maybe enable paid mods

even though he said he would never do that

[unborn vale]

No

[karmic oracle]

i think it's fair

[unborn vale]

yea since kenneth has so much money

[karmic oracle]

then make the players pay 😁

[unborn vale]

bro is turning to EA

[karmic oracle]

DLCs for all the mods

and the main mods are dumbed down to 1 furniture 😊

[unborn vale]

If you want to make money from games then make yours 😊

[karmic oracle]

i want to make money from the stuff that i already made 🤩

because how else will i afford the software inc cat dlc in 2028

[unborn vale]

I know this is a crazy option but did you consider getting a job?

[karmic oracle]

yeah ill consider that

ahh im realizing how much of a pain in the ass it would be to mod your game if things were paid 😄

[unborn vale]

wdym your?

[karmic oracle]

from the perspective of other people that want to download mods

(thats why you should subsidize us with that 0.01$ per subscriber model :D)

(big /s to all of this)

[unborn vale]

ok but look at it as customer, you just payed a full price for game and now you have to pay for each individial mod? No thanks

[karmic oracle]

$6.99 for Doftware Inc HQ Blueprint Beta 1.18+ Vanila

take it or leave it

[unborn vale]

leave it

just like the idea

[karmic oracle]

ahaha

i did once see a mod for terraria posted on the steam store page

t-loader it was called or something

is it possible for modders to do that for all games?

and could loco add the cat dlc earlier than 2028?

[unborn vale]

yea but that more like cheat engine/mod manager, its not just a simple mod

[karmic oracle]

hmm

but on the store it acts and looks like a DLC

@daring solar cab yuo maejk cat dl c for 25$ and giev me frii copy? tabks

[daring solar]

cat dlc?

[karmic oracle]

meow

says the cat

[daring solar]

woof says the dog

https://tenor.com/view/xxx-doggy-position-hump-gif-14913205

oh wait

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-brain-bro-wtf-wtf-she-didnt-have-to-cut-me-off-gif-15190190696108277101

[karmic oracle]

ahh there he goes again

[daring solar]

😄

[unborn vale]

and why the fuck they have cloths on?

[daring solar]

https://tenor.com/view/doggystyle-snoop-gif-24238001

[daring solar]

Because this is not a 18+ server

[karmic oracle]

i think i interrupted his pornhub session 😔

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/you-got-me-there-you-got-me-point-gif-7591282

[unborn vale]

then we need a 18+ channel

[karmic oracle]

software inc sex update

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/oohhh-gif-18641862

[daring solar]

https://tenor.com/view/nunsstory-audreyhepburn-gif-7824398

[daring solar]

So none of you can enter? Sad 😦

[unborn vale]

whats that? Never heard of it 👀

[daring solar]

a period devoted to a particular activity

[unborn vale]

says the mr grown up

[daring solar]

I've gray hair already 😢

[unborn vale]

ok my bad, Mr grandpa 😊

[karmic oracle]

aha let's gather round to bully loco for being old

^^ this is in my F drive for some reason 😂

[daring solar]

Whats your F drive?

[unborn vale]

I sudennly feel urge to reproduce

[karmic oracle]

i found it!!

[karmic oracle]

i dont think you can reproduce with other men 😔
we need an update to fix this

[daring solar]

Nice

[eager plume]

Actually working for money? No, sounds boring

[lucid island]

I never like work... tires me out.

[daring solar]

Childlabour is illegal!

[eager plume]

if you're over a certain age u are allowed to work

[lucid island]

I started working full time at age 15 - 40 hour/week, 5 days/week - had to bike to work at 4am to open the Hardee's for breakfast until the supervisor got there at 6am, in Wisconsin winters with 2 feet of snow for 5 months out of the year. It's why I hate work so very much.

...anyway, back to work on Evil Corp, took an entire day just to set up the room groups, team groups to rooms, and staff assignments, but now finally got the employee team numbers up, just under 850 employees now and 155 staff.

[unborn vale]

Yea, here you can start work at 13, ofcourse its not a job in regular sense, more like summer job etc.

[manic dirge]

Is this a mod? Should be a vanilla feature. If there is one thing I feel like this game is missing that is absolutely integral to the game its sleeping with your coworkers In the office.

[unborn vale]

will be once kenneth finally release campaign

[karmic oracle]

office accessories beds lost functionality in swinc beta 1.6 but will come back in 1.8

in 1.8 the single bed will be vanilla but i'll bring back the double bed in household accessories

[daring solar]

I want beds for 6 people

[lucid island]

...and Murphy Beds! 😜

https://tenor.com/view/muppets-great-muppet-caper-bedtime-bed-happiness-hotel-gif-21829626

[young plume]

Anyone about that understands furniture modding well enough for some questions?
I'm trying to get the Ink mod working on linux - I've already fixed the various file capitalization issues, but now I'm a little stuck on materials.... the errors:

Issue with InkIII: Failed finding materialInkIIITex for mesh Objects/InkIII.obj
Issue with InkIII: Failed finding materialeOFF80 for mesh Objects/InkIIIS.obj
Issue with InkIII: Failed setting field OnMat:
The given key was not present in the dictionary.
Issue with InkIII: Failed setting field OffMat:
The given key was not present in the dictionary.
... continue for every computer in the mod...

I'm comparing this mod to the eNUFF mod and that one has been fixed for linux, but other than the capitalization issues (already fixed), I can't see why this one isn't working. The materials.tyd file looks similar, and contains the materials InkIIITex and eOFF80 and all the rest.

[young plume]

It turns out that I hadn't caught all of the capitalization issues, just the ones that threw an error message. As best I can tell, if a single texture file referred to by the materials.tyd file isn't found, it throws out the entire materials file, not just the single material that failed. But at least in this case, it didn't throw an error about which texture was missing. I had to script checking every texture referred to by the materials file and found six more that had alternate capitalization (Mtex02.png != MTex02.png), but once I made the appropriate symlink, everything loaded again.

[calm sage]

I've made it so it will continue to load materials and add failed texture loads to the issues list for the mod

[magic reef]

I thought I fixed it already (#1098969755274199160 message). The issues that were fixed were related to Linuxplayer as everything worked fine on Proton. May I ask, how did you fix it and what are you using to play SWINC? I can't test it myself as I'm a Windows user, but I'll gladly include your fixes.

[young plume]

I think this is the full list of files where the capitalization didn't match, so the native player in linux was unhappy:
Objects/InkAddons/Mice/TragicTouchPad.obj
Objects/InkAddons/Mice/TragicTouchPadLOD2.obj
Objects/InkAddons/Mice/TragicTouchPadLOD.obj
Objects/FlatbookStation/FlatBookStation.obj
Objects/FlatbookStation/FlatBookStationS.obj
Objects/InkIII/InkIII.obj
Objects/InkIII/InkIIIS.obj
Textures/Modern/Mtex02e.png
Textures/Modern/Mtex02n.png
Textures/Modern/Mtex01n.png
Textures/Modern/Mtex02.png
Textures/Modern/Mtex01e.png
Textures/Modern/Mtex01.png

I bought the version from the coredumping website that comes from the humble store, so it doesn't use proton by default, I'm not sure if it would have been fixed automatically or not if I had the steam version. For the fix on my end, I just made a symbolic link from what the actual files included were to what the various obj files and tyd files were expecting. Example while in the Textures/Modern directory:
ln -s MTex01e.png Mtex01e.png
ln -s MTex01n.png Mtex01n.png
ln -s MTex01.png Mtex01.png
ln -s MTex02.png Mtex02.png
ln -s MTex02n.png Mtex02n.png
ln -s MTex02e.png Mtex02e.png
ln -s MTex02.png Mtex02.png
Alternatively, I could have fixed the files that referenced them but I knew if you ever updated the package in the future, my fixes would be undone, so symbolic link fixes were more permanent.

[young plume]

Thank you, the ones in the Objects directory showed up in error messages, so were an easy fix, but the Texture ones snuck up on me. It's good to know that it'll be easier to catch in the future.

[magic reef]

Nice catch, I found them. I'll push an update for the steam version soon. Thanks!

[young plume]

Thank you for your mod, I'm enjoying it more now that the computers have textures. 😄

[karmic oracle]

hi @calm sage, hope you're doing well 😄

you mentioned statues maybe being moddable in this [https://x.com/SoftwareIncGame/status/1305942162346049536](twitter reply), and i was wondering what you meant by statues being moddable already

by that did you just mean any sort of statue, like one with a normal mesh and texture, just like any other furniture? or is there any feature that allows you to use the employee's mesh

ahh god i always get the link formatting wrong

twitteer poost

Software Inc. (@SoftwareIncGame) on X

@MiceyPicey You can kind of hack in atriums with outdoor areas, however they won't be explicitly added, as it would take too long to add support for. I probably won't add statues, but they can be modded in and I'll hopefully be adding better support for it in the future.

Twitter · Sep 15, 2020, 6:50 PM

[eager plume]

Never heard of twitteer

[magic reef]

He meant eeks.

[unborn vale]

I like how the link says X.com but the embedded says Twitter😄

[daring solar]

He meant you should link things correctly

[calm sage]

1. option

[karmic oracle]

@daring solar can you make a mega multiplayer mod

where like a 100 people can play together on separate maps but in the same market

there would still be AI competition and such

I think it's a good idea

Kenneth would never add this himself because he would rather add moddable doors than a really cool idea

(definitely not because kenneth wants to get on with his life and finish the game)

[daring solar]

Kenneth and life, good joke

[eager plume]

The only thing you respond to is the text between the "()"?

[unborn vale]

Another CF thing 😄

[daring solar]

Yes

[next flume]

anyone have a good recommended list of mods?

havent played in over a year

[karmic oracle]

i mean, lots of bias here, but here's some furniture and code mods
https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=2957308866

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/the-batman-no-selfpromo-no-self-promotion-batman-gif-24317098

[daring solar]

https://tenor.com/view/ew-nope-no-nuh-uh-no-way-gif-21846503

I take that back, those mods are amazing, the ones on the bottom are the best

Thats why I say they're amazing

https://tenor.com/view/love-them-james-engvid-i'm-in-love-with-them-i-like-them-gif-8037068188687290410

[karmic oracle]

loco is crazy

he is talking to himself

[unborn vale]

you realized that only now?

[daring solar]

Correct, its spanish

https://tenor.com/view/que-porque-safemoon-meme-confused-gif-21223616

[topaz crescent]

Anyone able to help with an error I'm getting when trying to test a new mod?

Really not sure why it's not picking it up

[topaz crescent]

When i change it to OS it works fine, so is there something else I need to do with the custom one?

[unborn vale]

not sure but make sure you have correct path, for example compare it to the mod template from swinc modding website and also make sure the text in the txt file is in correct format

[topaz crescent]

what should the path be set to? the file structure looks like this, do I need to specify a folder in front of AISystems when defining the NameGenerator?

[eager plume]

Did you copy the name generator and software types file from the example?

Make sure there are no typos

And that you have capitals match

[eager plume]

Is that an capital i?

In AI

[topaz crescent]

I think so but let me double check