#When to check Aginah's cave

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serene star
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Hi everyone!

In recent seeds, I've been struggling with finding key items in Aginah's cave as a last possible location many times, as it was the lowest density play. Since I got punished pretty hard for doing that whenever it happened, I'm wondering how people work in Aginah's cave in their routing. Do you just go for it last and accept the consequences if progression is there, or do you make an effort to go out of your way to check it in order to not get punished if progression is there?

Thanks in advance!

limpid epoch
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I route it with the dam. That way it's 3 items going to the left. And doing MMC and IR cave is 6 checks to the right.

deep pollen
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There are even some people that will do Aginah if they are picking up the flooded item but go east to minimoldorm if they're not. Based on the fairly minor aspect of which direction you're moving as you leave the dam

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Ultimately though it's just a single out of the way check suffering catfish syndrome. You hope maybe to route it in with a mire area or desert check or have boots but there's no guarantee of anything working out like that. Just gotta make a call at the end of the day

manic token
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One of the ways to think about these sorts of choices is to ask this question: when am I coming back to this area?

There are two other things you can wait for before doing Aginah. One is the flute, which significantly shortens the walk there. The other is the ability to clear crystal DP (book + glove + fire source + possibly boots). Both of these carry some risk of the Aginah item either locking those or shortening your route to get them. On the other hand, if it's nothing, or if the flute shows up shortly thereafter, then you've paid a significant cost for no benefit.

On average, I would argue that immediate Aginah is probably negative expected value, but rando has a bunch of choices that are -EV but will win you seeds sometimes.

(Compare to Catfish, which is somewhat harder to route with anything else: the Catfish -> Zora route is difficult to set up, and even the N DW -> Catfish route only really makes sense with mirror.)