tech

[wide temple]

sad but true

part of me regrets not sticking with ITX, but meh

maybe in the future I can go for an ultra SFF build with a blower style card so it doesn't get too hot inside the case

[compact cove]

i dont have a blower card.....

my case is made to NOT have a blower card

the manual even advertises a 3 fan gtx970/980

[wide temple]

but for a true ITX/SFF case, you'll need one or its gonna get really really hot inside

[compact cove]

nop

also pls explain how my RVZ03 is not an ITX case........

[wide temple]

🤔

so you're telling me in runs cool inside that?

[compact cove]

yea, full positive pressure

air goes out through gaps at the top and bottom

[wide temple]

2 slot GPU or 2.5 slot?

[compact cove]

and vents at the back

the bracket is for 2 slot

[wide temple]

to me it just seems like a massive hotbox for blowing warm inside rather than exhausting outside of it directly

[compact cove]

the air coming out of the top while im playing is stupidly fast

[wide temple]

how loud is it...

[compact cove]

not as loud as if it were a laptop with a 2080 in it

the cpu cooler is louder than the 4 fans cooling the gpu

let me see if i can take a pic of somethin, brb

ok, i cant 😐

[wide temple]

😦

[spiral yew]

lewaifu just email the picture to yourself

i've done that before

[wide temple]

Hold the phone... why on earth have I been charged £10 extra?!

Strange, my bank statement is showing the correct amount

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/jDYQjy

Total cost of my build, will buy some fans and a fan controller in the future, but damn, that's a dent in the bank account

[compact cove]

well i just had a major blonde moment

[spiral yew]

you gonna buy another win 10 version or do you have a cd or usb with win 10 on it?

[wide temple]

Already have Win10 keys from my uni days

[spiral yew]

nice

[compact cove]

@spiral yew i couldnt get the shot that i wanted

[spiral yew]

oh

[compact cove]

wanted to show Moh the 4mm gap between the gpu fans and the case fans

[wide temple]

I wonder if I have enough Thermal Grizzly Kyronaut left 🤔

I was going to wedge some fans between the GPU and the case with the Phanteks ITX, but the clearance was too small

[spiral yew]

the cpu cooler should come with some thermal paste

[wide temple]

It will, but Kyronaut is the best

[compact cove]

fans that Silverstone recommends for my case: 120mm slim (15mm thick) fans

fans that im putting in: ML120 full size (25mm) fans

[wide temple]

https://giphy.com/gifs/deal-lFfLINS1MkZs4

this is you

[compact cove]

nope

https://i.imgur.com/AicAZ8V.mp4

thats me realizing that i didnt have wifi signal on my pc cuz i didnt screw the antennas back in the mobo....

(i had it at work last weekend and they need to come off so the pc fits in my backpack)

[wide temple]

you take your PC to work? wat

[compact cove]

its a windows console

[wide temple]

also flexing you have a 1080Ti but still using WiFi

[compact cove]

the desktop is wired

my pc pulls wifi straight from the mobo of the desktop

we dont have a router, routers are for peasants

[wide temple]

switch?

[compact cove]

desktop acts as a router

since its on 24/7

[wide temple]

If it ain't 10GBe I'm not interested

[compact cove]

it is

[wide temple]

now I am

[compact cove]

x470 taichi ultimate

[gilded stone]

ain't

[compact cove]

10gb aquantica (did i get the name right?)

[wide temple]

so let me get this right, your PC is using wifi from what I can only assume is your husband's desktop connected directly to the modem?

[compact cove]

no modem

[wide temple]

[compact cove]

cat6 comes straight into the house and into the desktop

[wide temple]

surely that cat6 is plugged into a box somewhere

It can't just be a direct fibre optic feed without some form of switching

[compact cove]

some switch on a pole

that gets fiber shoved into it

[wide temple]

that's really interesting, I would have thought that the box it feeds into would be located inside the home

or at least on the property itself, not a direct connection

[compact cove]

depends on the location

[wide temple]

I wonder how your ISP does provisioning 🤔

[compact cove]

most city building have a main switch

usually at the bottom floor

also, Aquantia* 10Gb

[wide temple]

for my connection it goes like, copper cable from the modem into a box that sits outside, then from there, a fibre optic cable straight to the street cabinet

I don't use the ISP provided router because I'd rather be stabbed with a rusty spoon than use that POS

[compact cove]

lul

ikr

[wide temple]

so ISP router into modem only mode + Asus router running a custom version of Asuswrt merlin

[compact cove]

we have their 300mbps router sitting in its box (still sealed) under the couch

[spiral yew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy0Y9D8LMtI

[hidden shell]

How can someone drive sitting 10 feet behind the car I can't watch this

[spiral yew]

lol that's how i play racing games

[mighty vine]

Same

That's the only way

[wide temple]

Interior view or bust

[mighty vine]

NO

[hasty nova]

When I play forza motorsport 7 I play cockpit view

Thats only way I know where the wheel is pointing

[mighty vine]

Who are you?

[hasty nova]

A man of great knowledge

[mighty vine]

No

That is stoopid

Only 3rd person view

[wide temple]

Do you drive IRL like that?

[hasty nova]

I have a feeling he drives in ETS2MP like that

xD

[mighty vine]

No

Irl I don't have a car

And in ETS2 I drive in the First Person mode

[compact cove]

hood cam in racing games (since i have a wheel in front of me)

1st person cam in ets/ats

[mighty vine]

That's even worse

So wait you played NFSU2 with the hood cam?!

[compact cove]

poor people play u2

i play assetto corsa

Moh, im flexing again

[mighty vine]

U2 is the best racing game

[compact cove]

for story: mw05

for gameplay: hp2 '02

[wide temple]

gonna add a new rule: LeWaifu is no longer allowed to flex without getting banned

[compact cove]

[mighty vine]

What are those

[wide temple]

my case got delivered an hour ago, now I'm waiting for the motherboard, yay

[compact cove]

forever waiting Moh

[wide temple]

pretty accurate story of my life

[compact cove]

@mighty vine Most Wanted 2005 / Hot Pursuit 2 2002

[mighty vine]

Idk

I grew up with U2

[compact cove]

and you call yourself a gamer? laughs in 'gaming since 1996'

[mighty vine]

NSFU2 and Minecraft are the best games I ever played

I was born in 2003...

[compact cove]

i was in 6th (or 7th) grade in 2003 🤔

[wide temple]

gaming since you were a baby?

[mighty vine]

Indeed

[compact cove]

i started gaming on consoles at 5

[wide temple]

my first rodeo with gaming was SNES

[compact cove]

my husband started at 3

[mighty vine]

🤔

[wide temple]

I think I started at a similar age too

[compact cove]

i had a snes knockoff

[wide temple]

born in 95, the true era of console gaming

[compact cove]

he had a mega drive 2

[wide temple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOPViekdacQ

[mighty vine]

Want a Xbox one moh?

[compact cove]

i still play OG ps1 Rayman

[wide temple]

that startup sound brings back so many memories

[compact cove]

ps2 startup brings hopes and prayers

since it was like 50-50 chance of it booting up lul

[wide temple]

well... until this happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uHLQHjtPLE

[mighty vine]

https://youtu.be/btwRaKLPNog

[wide temple]

the red screen of death would always scare the crap out of me

[mighty vine]

This does put a smile on my face

[compact cove]

uuuh

i got REDACTED

[mighty vine]

I could listen to it endlessly

https://youtu.be/d9tfG8uGevE

Back when EA was good

[placid dragon]

https://youtu.be/-oZsL-iV8TE

Someone is smart

[wide temple]

Wichard Leadbetter

[placid dragon]

WHY!
JeredHarrisToday at 2:12 AM True I am getting bottlenecked by my cpu, I know that for a fact because I just upgraded my gpu and I’m waiting to upgrade cpu, so for now I’m rocking an i3 4130 and a gtx 1070. I just didn’t expect to be bottlenecked so much, in other games it’s not as significant

[compact cove]

even i5 4th gen is too slow for a 1070

[agile ermine]

4th gen i3 are dual core cpus...

of course thats a bottleneck...

[placid dragon]

And they were trying to run the Xbox 360 emulator on that xD

Which has a PPC CPU that is 3c 6t at 3.2Ghz

So they're trying to emulate that powerhouse of a CPU and run a GTX 1070 is just not gonna work

[hidden fjord]

I have a question. Does somebody know how to make a Kiosk App?

I need to make one for my project so funny students cant do something else on my pc.

[upbeat sparrow]

just upgraded to a (i5 9th gen 9400F and a 970) from a (Zeon and a 250X)

[wide temple]

@compact cove

It’s happening

[mighty vine]

O.o

[compact cove]

poke me when it catches fire

[wide temple]

Pls no

BIOS update worked after like 5 tries

Had to get a decent old USB 2 Sandisk stick

[compact cove]

im surprised you didnt brick it

[wide temple]

😭

[compact cove]

which cooler will you use?

[wide temple]

DRP4

An absolute b word to install

[compact cove]

its pretty easy....

ive reinstalled ours several times

tho i did find it harder mounting it on am4 than on 1151

[wide temple]

It’s easy to install once you line it up. But installing the motherboard after is tough

The screws are almost completely inaccessible

[compact cove]

its easy

just use the screwdriver from the drp4 for all the screws in the case

[wide temple]

Right now I’m having trouble mounting the fan on. The clips are so bad

Yeah that’s what I did

[compact cove]

oh yea

gl with the clips

if you have a small metal hook thing

it helps massively

like this (i fix it toolkit)

'spudger'

[wide temple]

I have that actually

The ifixit kit

[compact cove]

use that then

[wide temple]

Gonna install everything else first

[compact cove]

that thing makes it so much easier

[wide temple]

[compact cove]

meh

nvme is overrated

@wide temple show me the ram

[wide temple]

How dangerous does this look?

The wire is bending quite badly

[compact cove]

pleb

dont put the mobo in the case

before the cooler has fans on it

you will have a bad time

[wide temple]

This was the easiest way. Remember it’s mATX

Space is limited and there’s a PSU shroud too

[compact cove]

i know that cooler too damn well

the clips will make you pull the mobo out

[wide temple]

Welp. I think I’ll have to take it out as I’m running out of patience and time

[compact cove]

fan clips?

[wide temple]

Or take the cooler off

[compact cove]

you want the hassle-free install order?

[wide temple]

Sure

[compact cove]

cpu in mobo > ram in mobo > m.2 in mobo > cpu bracket on mobo > cooler on mobo > fans on cooler > mobo in case > psu in case > front panel, case fans and all psu cables (except gpu) into mobo > gpu in mobo > psu cables in gpu > case sidepanel

[wide temple]

I think I’ll just take off the cooler and put the fans on then mount it back on

I’m not taking the mobo out

[compact cove]

i gave you the easy and safe way

youre free to do as you wish

[wide temple]

Oh no. The cooler is stuck to the cpu

[compact cove]

twist it

[wide temple]

I guess I’ll have to power it in to heat it or something

[compact cove]

nop

just twist it gently, clockwise

[wide temple]

Got it

I’m stupid. I was putting the clips on the wrong way...

[compact cove]

hello stupid, im sleepy

i have morning shift in 8-ish hours

gnight

[wide temple]

Took the motherboard out and it still won’t clip in properly. I’m done. Just gonna leave it loose. Thanks for the help

Goodnight

[spiral yew]

moh don't leave it loose bad things will happen

[hasty nova]

do not leave it loosed

also i solved my bad weefiii provlems

i put my PC on the floor

🙃

[wide temple]

I figured out it in the end. It’s all built now, just installing and transferring data yay

Also had a small issue of the 4th slot not working because the second M2 disables it

[worn pollen]

I wonder should I upgrade to Windows 10? 🤔 I am currently using Windows 7

The only concern I am having is low fps in games

with those specs I have no problems for now
Intel i5-6500 3.20GHz CPU
8GB RAM
SSD 120GB + 1TB HDD
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 OC 1GB

[sinful monolith]

win7 will be end-of-life in about 5 months

[worn pollen]

I am not updating it anyway so 😄

[sinful monolith]

nice and secure

[gilded stone]

you've got a 1GB GTX 750 so things won't run very well to begin with

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/381916320423215104/538854584106352640/xdddd.gif

[sand valley]

so i need new case fans

recommendations?

preferably 5 packs :>>

[spiral yew]

i don't think there is such a thing as a 5 pack for case fans

[sand valley]

there is

i got 5 for 30 quid

[spiral yew]

yeh for the cheap brands

[upbeat sparrow]

@worn pollen get a good used 970 off of ebay and get like a 5 dollar copy of windows 10 off of ebay then you are good

[sand valley]

or just buy a proper genuine version of windows

and buy a decent gpu from amazon

even if its only 2gb

[compact cove]

@wide temple show me progress boy

[sand valley]

pics

[unkempt swan]

Do you guys know the weakest part of a PC?

Its' user

[sand valley]

no because my pc is a beast

[unkempt swan]

I mean, in terms of reliability and getting "tricked"

[compact cove]

the biggest pc error in history is between the keyboard and chair

[compact cove]

Fox to Moh, Fox to Moh, come in Moh

sir, i think we lost him

[upbeat sparrow]

@sand valley thats like $400 $150 for windows and amazon like $250 for good graphics card 💲 💲 💲 💲

[hidden shell]

Windows 10 is still free if you already have a valid Windows 7 64bit

[agile ermine]

you have to be stupid to pay 150$ for windows 10

you can found tons of keys for 10 or 20 times less

[upbeat sparrow]

i know

[unkempt swan]

Or even free

[sand valley]

New fans coming on Monday let’s hope they work better than what I have now

[hidden shell]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/software-download/windows10

[sand valley]

too lazy to type it all again

[gilded stone]

look up a tutorial on how to take apart your specific laptop @sand valley

also make sure you have all the tools required

[compact cove]

its different from model to model, not even talkin about one manufacturer to another

[sand valley]

well it’s HP

if that narrow it down

[compact cove]

look on the bottom sticker

for exact make and model

[sand valley]

It’s a low spec every day laptop

Not a gaming one

[gilded stone]

it being an HP really doesn't narrow it down much because there's so many HP laptops

[sand valley]

I’ll google in a bit then I suppose

[compact cove]

just flip it over and see the sticker

[sand valley]

I know the exact model I just don’t wanna break it

[compact cove]

well, look for a tutorial for that specific model

i would check 'i fix it' website first

[sand valley]

oke

[compact cove]

it might be there

[sand valley]

Literally no videos

Well there is one but he’s taking it completely apart

I just want to clean the cpu fan

[compact cove]

youd most likely need to change the thermal paste too

since usually you have to take the radiator off the chips to take the fan off

[sand valley]

nah I just blew air into the vents and fan vent

Result

[mighty vine]

What you are doing is dangerous

Spinning the fans uncontrollably

[remote estuary]

You are supposed to hold the fans while doing that

It's basic knowledge

[mighty vine]

[spiral yew]

I've hooked up pc fans to a 5v usb cable before

[compact cove]

pc fans are usually 12V .....

(some are specifically marked as 5V)

[spiral yew]

Oh wait it was a 5A usb cable

The one's you use to charge cell phones with

[compact cove]

thats 500mA up to 2A (2.4A is max for phone chargers afaik)

[spiral yew]

Not if it's a fast charging cable

[compact cove]

fast charge is usually 2A

[spiral yew]

I've seen a YouTube video where someone attached a couple of pc fans to a laptop power supply

[compact cove]

laptop chargers are 16A-18A

waaaay more power than a phone charger

[unkempt swan]

Well, that's something to argue about, but most chargers are

[wide temple]

@compact cove Moh to Fox, all is fine. It was a bit of an ordeal to get things going, I had to reinstall Windows 3 times because the first two times I installed it, it did so with an MBR partition rather than a GPT, meaning that UEFI boot wasn't supported. Every time I converted it to GPT, it would loose the boot files, because for whatever dumb reason, Windows decides to install the boot files onto the Drive 0. Drive 0 happens to be my 2.5 storage SSD and the M.2 is Drive 1.

In the end, I had to reinstall Windows with the 2.5" drive disconnected and only then would it install correctly

I've done some early Cinebench runs and it's... kinda disappointing when comparing it to other scores. On stock settings I'm averaging a score of 4548 on CB20, 2031 on CB15 (both multi core). Reviews are showing the CB scores to be around 200 points higher :I

Not sure whether its because of performance penalties with the latest chipset drivers, or the latest AGESA

[hollow relic]

I feel that XD

[compact cove]

@wide temple overclock it, dont listen to plebs saying not to

youll get the 200 points back and then some

[wide temple]

These are my benches with some various settings enabled

Meanwhile I've seen some people hit 5000 just by overclocking :I

[compact cove]

fyi R20 is AVX

[wide temple]

If you have suggestions on options I should try ->

I tried overclocking the memory using the TryIt feature and ended up having to reset the CMOS because it wouldn't bloody boot anymore

[compact cove]

is your ram 3200 cl16?

we ended up setting a pretty basic clock/timings combo

[wide temple]

Yes

[compact cove]

then do 3200, 1T, 16-18-18-36

make sure the fabric is in coupled mode

[wide temple]

from the BIOS? Or Ryzen Master?

[compact cove]

mem = bios

also in bios, set vcore to fixed, 1.35v

[wide temple]

hm, will give that a go a little later

It seems to be happily benching at 1.4v on all cores at 4200 with Ryzen Master

I tried 1.375v and it was like NOPE

[compact cove]

on ryzen master you only touch core clocks, not voltage

in ryzen master besides clocks do this: profile 1 > PBO > max PPT/TDC/ECC and hit apply > then manual > set clocks (start with 4200) > apply > do an R15

make sure the same voltage setting is applied in both bios and ryzen master

fyi, R20 keeps crashin on us

[wide temple]

So 1.35v is the baseline voltage to start off of? Then up the core frequency until it starts crashing, then add more voltage?

I don't like how AMD seems to pump so much voltage on stock, it's worrying

[agile ermine]

yeah, the stock voltages are always a bit high with AMD chips, but its still safe

if you've got an X chip, you should be able to go past 4ghz at 1.35V

[compact cove]

stock voltage on 3900x is 1.48 ......

we dropped it to 1.35

[wide temple]

I also ran some benches with the Ryzen Performance plan, but it made absolutely no difference

Time to do some oc'ing

[compact cove]

in the performance plan just set minimum cpu state to 100%

[wide temple]

Doesn’t that mean the voltages will never to drop to idle voltages?

Alright so I’m in the BIOS now. Just set the voltage to 1.35 and leave everything else as is?

XMP profile is on profile 1

Should I just change the DRAM frequency?

[compact cove]

force it 3200

even if it already is 3200

check the mem clocks and command rate

[wide temple]

Command rate is on auto (2)

[compact cove]

no, 1

you have 2 dimms right?

[compact cove]

command rate 1T

[wide temple]

That’s it?

[compact cove]

go to the bottom

of that menu

[wide temple]

Hmm?

[compact cove]

in advanced dram config....

[wide temple]

Yeah what am I looking for?

Theres loads of options

[compact cove]

sec

gear down mode

disable

also dram voltage 1.35 fixed

cpu core voltage 1.35

[wide temple]

I don’t see a gear down option

Unless it’s power down mode?

[compact cove]

if its for dram then thats it

i think

🤔

[compact cove]

yea

disable

and manually set fabric clock to 1600

[wide temple]

It won’t let me change the DRAM voltage 🤔

[compact cove]

manual mode....

your keyboard looks janky AF

[wide temple]

It’s really dusty I know. The key caps are wearing quite badly as well

Not sure how to enable manual mode. Can’t seem to find anything for DRAM

It is running at 1.37v atm

[compact cove]

leave it as is then, dram is safe even at 1.8

[wide temple]

Infinity Fabric = FCLK?

[compact cove]

yep

[wide temple]

Oh now I can change the voltage

So it’s tied to the FCLK

[compact cove]

shouldnt be, but ok

[wide temple]

Nope I lie. It still doesn’t work 😹

Though some of the other voltages opened up for editing

[compact cove]

try not to touch VCCIO yet....

or VDDR....

[wide temple]

Oookay so the first CB 15 run is really bad

1699 points :I

[compact cove]

3700x right?

[wide temple]

Yeah

I just enabled PBO now

[compact cove]

wait.... did you go in ryzen master and set the PBO and clocks?

[wide temple]

With PBO only > 2076

[compact cove]

blonde boy

[wide temple]

Set the clocks to 4200 synced?

[compact cove]

set only PPT/TDC/ECC in PBO

apply it and then switch to manual and set clocks

[wide temple]

All cores set to 4200 with PBO > 2160

Maybe I should try 4250...

Or try clocking each CCX individually, but that’ll take ages

[compact cove]

this is where you should be with the settings

[wide temple]

Tried 4275 and it crashed instantly

[compact cove]

obviously

[wide temple]

Though Hwinfo is showing it’s boosting to 4.3

[compact cove]

did 4250 work?

[wide temple]

I tried 4225, didn’t try 4250, will try now

[compact cove]

it shouldnt be boosting anymore..... it should be fixed frequency

[wide temple]

Isn’t it better for it to boost naturally as it can reach higher peaks?

[compact cove]

not over a longer period no

on boost our clocks drop to 4125

on fixed oc it maintains 4300

[wide temple]

Hmm, so it depends on what you do. Whether it’s just short bursts of performances or long peaks

[compact cove]

i game so idc what my husband does to the clocks for rendering

we use different settings

[wide temple]

I’ll be mostly doing gaming probably

PBO with all cores set to 4250 > 2198

Welp, never mind. It crashed on the second run

[compact cove]

temps....

fyi, we hit 98 C on R15

aida64 says ~190W

that moment when DRP4 isnt enough cooling

[wide temple]

106w during CB run lul

[compact cove]

amd be like 3700x is now a 65w chip

[wide temple]

Temps are hitting 78c

[compact cove]

ok, so is that why my 2600 (non X) hits 98w?

[wide temple]

I wonder if it’s worth changing out the thermal paste, as I used the one that came with DRP4

I also took off the cooler a few times so it might have air bubbles in it? Hmm

[compact cove]

saw no difference between noctua nt-h1 and thermal grizzly hydronaut

you do know you should replace the paste each time you remount, right?

just to be on the safe side

[wide temple]

Yeah I know, but mounting that cooler was a Pita

[compact cove]

cuz you didnt do it like i told you the first time.....

[wide temple]

Even after I did it the way you told me didn’t change anything

Those fan clips are a joke and should never be used

[compact cove]

your building skills are a joke their arent that bad

[wide temple]

That was the only thing that caused problems. The fans

[compact cove]

the fan clips i mean

[wide temple]

My phanteks used a similar style system but the clips had a raised edge

Had no issues with mounting those on

Running a CB20 now, will do some more tweaking later

Lol rip, it crashed

I’ll just stick to 4200 :(

[compact cove]

blonde boy

forget R20

R20 is AVX

games dont use AVX

[wide temple]

Yeah but that means the system isn’t stable overall

It wasn’t crashing before

[compact cove]

youll have to drop like 150-200mhz just to run AVX tasks

[wide temple]

P95 for stress testing?

[compact cove]

for temp testing?

[wide temple]

Yes

[compact cove]

aida64 > stress cache

stress fpu = avx

[wide temple]

So stress CPU, cache and system memory

[compact cove]

lol no

just cache

[wide temple]

Wat

[compact cove]

cache is enough to overload the cpu

ram stress is useless

youre not pushing 3200 ram to 3800+

jeezus christ

[wide temple]

I’m gonna try overclocking the RAM to 3600 as it’s e-die which supposedly overclocks well

[compact cove]

try

but we saw no diff in R15

did 3200, 3333, 3466 and 3600

[wide temple]

Aren’t there other benches to test with as well? Can’t imagine CB is the be all end all

[compact cove]

its the best for speed testing cpu-ram

you can try firestrike

if you have it

[wide temple]

Ye I do, just CPU right?

It's been running for almost an hour now with no issues

[compact cove]

only 1 cpu sensor?

wat?

wheres single core temps

[wide temple]

It's the latest version of AIDA64

non beta

[compact cove]

boy

hit preferences and add the damn cores to the temperature page

[wide temple]

This is on the latest beta btw

[compact cove]

eh?

[wide temple]

Exactly... they're not there

I don't know why

[compact cove]

wtf

[sinful monolith]

got a single core CPU instead

[compact cove]

Moh has a single core octacore cpu

gg Aida

[wide temple]

I didn't get a very good chip either it seems, lost the silicon lottery... again

Lol wat. Now I can edit the DRAM voltage

[compact cove]

mobo update....

[wide temple]

It’s on the latest BIOS yo

[compact cove]

well then MSI did an oopsie

[wide temple]

I can try a beta BIOS but a lot of people have reported problems with it so I’d rather wait

[compact cove]

we are still waiting on 1.0.0.3 ABB from asrock....

[wide temple]

Same for MSI

[compact cove]

they only did b350/b450 for now

i just noticed somethin weird

cpu speed keeps jumping from 4300 to 4325 and back

wtf

[wide temple]

Wtf? It shouldn’t be boosting with an all core OC?

[compact cove]

why is it changing when its set to a fixed speed?!

oh

it was set on pbo for some reason 🤔

[wide temple]

blonde girl

[compact cove]

says the guy who couldnt install some fans on a cooler pfft

[wide temple]

No u

[compact cove]

pulls out Uno card

[wide temple]

Did you ever try per CCX overclocking?

[compact cove]

for gaming? that would be dumb

why? latency

im going off cuz i have to wake up for work in 7 hours

[wide temple]

I shall report back with more of my stupidity later

[compact cove]

cya boy who cant install a DRP4 👋

[wide temple]

[unkempt swan]

@wide temple was a lottery that bad?

[wide temple]

Yeah this chip can only do about 4.2 stable. I also learnt that you can overclock cores separately, so say you have core 0 and 2 at 4250, they’ll run at that speed but all other cores on the CCX will run at something silly around 3400...

[wide temple]

Guess what I’ve done

[fiery narwhal]

??

[wide temple]

Wired up the reset switch to the CMOS reset pins

[fiery narwhal]

😅 .

[wide temple]

I'm currently trying to overclock my RAM but not getting anywhere, and whenever I use a value it doesn't like, it doesn't boot until I reset it

[hidden shell]

Smart Moh :)

[pseudo comet]

hello its me

[spiral yew]

so many gpu's

[gilded stone]

b o x

[compact cove]

hoarder

[halcyon rune]

Is ThEeSe RtX2080tI

[compact cove]

@wide temple u ded?

[wide temple]

not yet

[compact cove]

:thonk:

[wide temple]

Did you update your chipset drivers? you might see a small perf boost with them

[compact cove]

yea but they didnt do anythin

didnt even fix the fan speed bug

[wide temple]

o

I saw a small increase in CB scores on an all core OC, but I'm sticking to PBO with no limits

Also used the Try It function to overclock my RAM, running at 16-19-19-19-39 atm. tried tightening them but Memtest would spit out errors

I don't think its voltage related either, changed the DRAM voltage to 1.45 with no dice. I should try changing the VDDP voltage and see if that helps

[compact cove]

16-18-18-18-36 should work better

and its jedec 'spec' for 3200mhz

[wide temple]

I tried 16-18-18-18-38, no bueno, Memtest would spit out errors

This is overclocked at 3600MHz and with the Infinity Fabric at 1800MHz

[compact cove]

we had no perf diff between 3200mhz cl16 and 3600 cl16

your kit is loose

[wide temple]

These are the stock timings: 3200 MHz (PC4-25600) CL16 (16-18-18)

[compact cove]

16-19-19-19-39 is slower than 16-18-18-18-38

[wide temple]

Even with a faster frequency and infinity fabric clock?

[spiral yew]

moh the lower the better especially with ram

[wide temple]

AMD processors run better with higher frequency RAM though (in most cases)

I'll have to do some testing

Or I'll just wait for the new AGESA to be made available for my BIOS before doing any more RAM tweaking, cos it'll probably mess up my RAM overclock

[gilded stone]

the note 10 has some crazy colors

[fading stump]

So a intel i5 4440 & MSI GTX 1050 TI can truckersmp high graphics?

1080p

[rose lion]

i dont see why not

i run similar with a phenom ii 925 and a gigabyte windforce radeon hd7950

[placid dragon]

It’s here!

And the rest of my parts are here too

Gonna do the upgrade when I get home from work later

[compact cove]

@placid dragon welcome to the 3900x club

[sand valley]

ryzen 9

i want :(

I have the 3600

[placid dragon]

Gonna start building it when I get home from work

Which will be like 5-6 hours

[sand valley]

i want the prism cooler too

it looks gr8

or any rgb cooler tbh

i got the wraith max but it only goes red, yellow, green for some reason

[wide temple]

Do you want mine?

[sand valley]

Yes gimme please

I will happily take it

[wide temple]

Give me dolla

[sand valley]

we live close so it won’t take long either

How much

[wide temple]

Idk

[sand valley]

I will pay if I have to 😂

I don’t have a lot but I do want the cooler

[compact cove]

@wide temple in case of RMA, you need the entire package

[wide temple]

Yeah that’s true :(

I want to order another case fan. But idk if I should go for the NF -A12x25 or the Silent Wings 3

[compact cove]

we have 1600rpm SW3

they are loud above 1300rpm

(not as loud as the ML120s on the gpu at 1700rpm out of 2200 tho)

[wide temple]

I'll probably be using the new fan as an intake anyway

also loud as in, audibly loud, or loud because of the case?

The Silent Wings fans on the DRP4 are whisper silent

[compact cove]

turn them up to full and see

we have the same drp4 fans

same noise tone and level as the case ones

[placid dragon]

So many threads!

[analog mist]

Anyone got experience with Gdata Internet Security? A task of that program takes up nearly 11 gigs of ram constantly...

[compact cove]

@placid dragon ohai

dont look at the uptime

[placid dragon]

Meh

I've got someone who's has been up for 40 days

[sinful monolith]

uptime?

don't look at the memory usage

[compact cove]

servers dont count....

fyi restarted a few days ago got chipset update

normally its at least 20-25 days before we even consider a restart

[sinful monolith]

was off for the night

[compact cove]

no oc? REEEEE

[sinful monolith]

it's not stable at stock

[compact cove]

what

why?

[sinful monolith]

the parts aren't exactly... from a trustworthy source let's just say

[compact cove]

chinese mobo?

[sinful monolith]

from some German guy

[sinful monolith]

the 1080 Ti FE in this system had a warranty sticker from GeForce 8 series

(for the record, that series came out 12 years ago)

[compact cove]

i member

i had an 8800gt

[sinful monolith]

I had a mobile one

[compact cove]

8600m oof

[sinful monolith]

it got the job done

[compact cove]

i like the email intro

'from fast to fancy'

[sinful monolith]

that's what the options are ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[compact cove]

never played it

i prefer lego 🤷

[sinful monolith]

I think it's one of those games you kinda have to play

[compact cove]

doubt

minecraft, fortnite, pubg, league of lesbos are all on the no fly list

[sinful monolith]

a game that's managed to stay as one of the most popular games for 10 years, the best selling video game of all time, and one that definitely changed the industry

[compact cove]

no fly list

[wide temple]

You’re not a gamer if you haven’t played Minecraft

Also I’m glad I’m not the only one who keeps their PC running all the time

Though I should stop doing that now, having all solid state storage means that boot up is instant, if MSI would fix their BIOS

[spiral yew]

i've played minecraft and got bored of it

[compact cove]

youre not a gamer if you havent finished this:

[spiral yew]

i've played it but never owned a nes or snes and a copy of the game

[mighty vine]

You're not a gamer if you haven't played NFSU2 and GTA San Andreas

[spiral yew]

i still have my copy of NFSU2

but my copy locks up everytime i jump the bridge after escaping from the cops

[steady nova]

You're not a true 2000's guy if you didn't play nfsu and actually thought it was cool

[spiral yew]

i played midnight club when it was cool

[wide temple]

tfw you have to install Windows XP in a VM to get some old piece of software working

[spiral yew]

hell i even remember paying gta when it was a top down shooter

[wide temple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icd1EtsK-uw

This just started playing 😍

[wide temple]

@compact cove the DRP4 fans are slightly louder than the stock case ones 🤔

seems I can also run the cooler passively under certain temps

[wide temple]

First time ever hitting 99% GPU utilisation in ETS 2

[placid dragon]

ASUS's software looks so nice and clean

[analog mist]

Thanks windows, I guess

[sand valley]

@placid dragon how is your cpu so cold wtf

30c

and your motherboard 26c

[placid dragon]

It's winter here

[sand valley]

oh that makes sense

[placid dragon]

Also my CPU cooler is a Corsair h100i

[sand valley]

i still want a prism

@wide temple owes me one

[wide temple]

[placid dragon]

Do you have an AM4 socket CPU?

[wide temple]

laughs in superiority of air cooling

[placid dragon]

[signal pagoda]

Same software ||Sorry for the ghost ping Zola||

[placid dragon]

No worries

What CPU and board do you have?

[signal pagoda]

I went with Ryzen 2700X & ROG CROSSHAIR VII HERO (WI-FI)

But can't OC, it's already hot enough as it is :x

[placid dragon]

Damn

[signal pagoda]

What's your spec?

[placid dragon]

Ryzen 3900x and ASUS Pro WS X570 ACE

[signal pagoda]

Oh fancy

I have an issue with my MB I think as it just occasionally freezes before booting

[placid dragon]

Trust me I thought the same

But my computer hangs for like 30 seconds before booting

[signal pagoda]

Mine has to be forced off and restarted

Enter BIOS and just restart again

Quite annoying when you want that sweet desktop image

[placid dragon]

[compact cove]

@signal pagoda your cpu is hot cuz the idiots at Asus and their MCE are putting 1.45v into your 2700x

[signal pagoda]

Oof

[compact cove]

manually set your cpu to 1.4v @4.2ghz and youll see some temps drop

im not sure how low 2700x can go at full speed, but it should be around 1.35v

[signal pagoda]

I'll try, but the temp is hot whether the pc is on or not

Ambient temp is high :c

[compact cove]

is it above 30 C?

[signal pagoda]

Was close to 23C today. Was 14 the day before lol

[compact cove]

thats cool....

we have 27-28 C here atm and our 3900x idles at 45-55 C

[signal pagoda]

I live in a cold country and I don't like anything above 25

[compact cove]

ikr, but again, thats a good ambient temp for a pc

[signal pagoda]

But thanks for the info tho. Changed the voltage

True true. Living in a basement and the heat is trapped xd

[spiral yew]

basement life

[compact cove]

i live in a penthouse.... and its summer.... and its 40 C in the sun during the day.....

[signal pagoda]

It was bad enough when I was in Berlin with 35 C 😅

But 40 C, I would gladly hop in a fridge

[compact cove]

im slightly lower than parallel 45

youre prolly in the 20-25 zone?

[signal pagoda]

Well, right now it's around 20 yeah

[compact cove]

what you should do to lower the cpu temps more:

drop the vcore voltage in increments of 0.125v until its not stable anymore

use somethin like cinebench R15 or geekbench to check the stability

[spiral yew]

my cpu is idling at 26c

[compact cove]

i took my R5 2600 from 1.45v down to 1.3875v while maintaining full boost frequency

[signal pagoda]

Nice

[compact cove]

also, Asus software is complete scheisse

[signal pagoda]

I have noticed

What mb brand do you like best?

[compact cove]

we had a 6700k with a Z170 Deluxe before we switched to Ryzen

and that stupid Asus software would lock up the system when changing just about anything in it

for Ryzen id say Asrock is top notch

i have a B450 Fatality mITX under my 2600

and my husband has an X470 Taichi Ultimate under his 3900x

[signal pagoda]

I went from 4770K to the current one

Good cpu tbh, but ran pretty warm

[compact cove]

haswell dropped solder as far as i remember

i think ivy bridge were the last intel chips to be soldered? dont remember

[signal pagoda]

I don't remember either heh

Was ages ago :p

[compact cove]

either way, any intel after 3rd gen is a toaster

just like FX was

[signal pagoda]

Oof the FX

[compact cove]

my husband has a friend that still uses a 9590 as his daily.....

[signal pagoda]

I mean, it still holds up well enough

I had the 6350 iirc

And a very very very cheap motherboard that took ages to post

[compact cove]

my leap was bigger..... athlon64 x2 5000+ to intel 2nd gen

dual core, no HT straight to laptop i7 2nd gen

[signal pagoda]

You win (:

[compact cove]

and before the 5000+ i had a single core athlon 1800+ (1.53ghz)

[signal pagoda]

I was 6 when it was launched (had too look it up)

[compact cove]

i think i was 11, dont remember

@wide temple why still M.I.A. ?

[wide temple]

wat

[compact cove]

🤔

youre alive?

[wide temple]

yes, unfortunately

I've been playing Forza the last day or so with the Xbox Game Pass

[compact cove]

hmm

but

thonk

[wide temple]

oh pls, don't tell me you're gonna be one of those people that gets triggered by my status

[compact cove]

no, but it makes me think you were screwing around with the cpu and you electrocuted/burned yourself and thats why youre off 🤔

[wide temple]

[compact cove]

im worried, you pleb

[wide temple]

It's nice to hear that people care about me

[compact cove]

sike

[wide temple]

anyway, I tried the latest MSI beta BIOS, which is still running on the old AGESA 1.0.0.3AB with the patch notes saying "improved memory compatibility"

still can't get my timings any tighter

[compact cove]

16-18-18-36 still dont work?

[wide temple]

3600, 16-19-19-19-39 is the best I can get it to be 100% stable

nope

But I can run it at 4000 CL16 perfectly fine

[compact cove]

dont push to 3600, its useless

[wide temple]

I can't even run it at 3200 CL14

[compact cove]

3200, 16-18-18-18-36

[wide temple]

It straight up doesn't boot if I set it to that

Those are the default timings anyway

[compact cove]

performance wise they are on par with your 3600

but its less strain on the mem controller

[wide temple]

I'll do some synthetic benchmark testing tomorrow if I can be bothered. Forza should be a good test for it I hope

[compact cove]

aida64 has some insanely good mem tests (for read-write-copy speed)

[wide temple]

also sidenote, it's a really fun game, worth downloading even if you can only play it for 3 months (4 months if you add a payment option, you get 1 month extra free)

ye true that

that's what I get on 3600, 16-19-19-19-39

[compact cove]

not just those

these ^

[wide temple]

oh those, ye,, but they're not as detailed tbh

in fact, no, those are the same tests

[compact cove]

the ones you said also test cache

the ones i said test straight up mem

[wide temple]

meh, I'd rather run one test once that does multiple things than do 4 individual runs

[compact cove]

cuz lazy?

[wide temple]

yes, I am

[compact cove]

good? 😹

[wide temple]

maybe not lazy.. just energy efficient

[compact cove]

im still strugglin with assetto corsa btw

[wide temple]

whatchu struggling with

[compact cove]

wheel setup

[wide temple]

pleb

[compact cove]

git

[wide temple]

what wheel is it?

[compact cove]

my ets/ats wheel 😹

[wide temple]

but which one? manufacturer and model

[compact cove]

hori apex rwa

[wide temple]

can't say I've ever heard of it, though I'm surprised you're having issues with it, asseto corsa's community is pretty big

[compact cove]

im not having issues with the wheel itself

im having issues to get my kind of wheel settings in the game

[wide temple]

ahh

I can't say I know anything about that to help you unfortunately, I've used my siblings G29 a few times in my life on ETS2 and that's about it

[compact cove]

i wanted a g920

my husband said he would rather buy an x570 taichi than get me a g920 😐

oh and yea, we are still on 1.0.0.3 AB

[sand valley]

@placid dragon yes I have am4 socket

[wide temple]

😦

ask him to stop buying top-end CPUs and get you a damn nice wheel

[sand valley]

Get a g29

[compact cove]

g920 > g29

[sand valley]

there’s legit no difference except them being for separate consoles but yano

[compact cove]

also, @wide temple do me a favor and try 3200 with 16-17-17-17-35

@sand valley there is, slightly different internals

[wide temple]

I prefer the looks of the G29

and why those timings in particular?

[sand valley]

g29 is a good wheel

[compact cove]

cuz i have a feeling

[wide temple]

well let me eat my ice lolly first (yes I'm still a kid, no I have no shame)

[sand valley]

ur only saying that cause I’m here moh smh

[compact cove]

i read that as 'ice loli' thonk

[wide temple]

No DIxons today so you're saved

[compact cove]

fbi, freeze!

[sand valley]

[compact cove]

these are the weirdest ddr4 timings ive seen in my life

and loose AF

[wide temple]

@compact cove

F

[hidden shell]

Not good !

[compact cove]

@wide temple i said 3200 with 16-17-17-17-35

[wide temple]

oh

[spiral yew]

i wonder what mine are 🤔

[wide temple]

Seems to be stable with those timings. I’ll do some benching tomorrow if I can be bothered

[spiral yew]

i found my timings and they are 15-17-17-35

[wide temple]

@compact cove psst, what’s the maximum your CPU hits when running Prime95?

[compact cove]

which cpu?

2600 or 3900x?

[sand valley]

I think moh meant the 3900x

[wide temple]

3900x ye

[compact cove]

98-99 C

[wide temple]

stock? no PBO /oc?

[compact cove]

no idea stock

[sand valley]

yowza

[hollow relic]

Yoo guys, got any recommendation for mobile and extreme duty laptop ? I prefer DELL and Acer brands, maybe HP but it's last option. I love with battery life and working inside mobile so like vibration and drop trouble.

Still confusing with one to choose XD. Btw I'm from Asia but it's fine if you find your model on your country. I'm gonna find the closest spec.

[pastel lodge]

Drop Trouble?

Oof

[flat grove]

What about Lenovo Thinkpads? Some of them meet military standards in quality (in case you are concerned about vibration and drop trouble)
Otherwise just get a computer which has an outdoor or other special certification
And make sure that you have an SSD built in

Do you need a strong CPU only or a strong GPU as well?
How long must the battery last (minimum/maximum)?

[pastel lodge]

i have one

just bit like 2 weeks now theyre good and light and are durable

just keyboard needs some getting used to

[hollow relic]

SSD must be sure of it, battery maybe for more than 6/8 hours

CPU and GPu no need about that one, just like bussiness laptop and basic standard program. Maybe CPU yeah

I need more just in case

[pastel lodge]

mine was 700euros

has ssd

https://www.bol.com/nl/p/lenovo-ideapad-33015ich-81fk003xmh-gaming-laptop-15-6-inch/9200000092684403/?s2a=#productTitle

i have this

[hollow relic]

Okay, I just found it. Not bad tough, and fit on my budget.

Thanks, it's on my list now

[wide temple]

https://reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cw046n/ryzen_dram_calculator_v161_released/

[spiral yew]

@hollow relic here's a Dell if you are still looking for one https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/learn/rugged?mkwid=s2oYz3DUc&pcrid=379228167275&pkw=&pmt=b&pdv=t&slid=&product=&pgrid=52616763526&ptaid=dsa-538115403526&VEN1=s2oYz3DUc,379228167275,901qz26673,t,,,52616763526,dsa-538115403526&VEN2=b,cid=85872&lid=817600&dgc=st&dgseg=COM&acd=12309215337205629&gclid=EAIaIQobChMImOznkcSj5AIVwf_jBx1cZAXbEAAYAiAAEgLbnvD_BwE

[wide temple]

Yum

[pastel lodge]

😜

[drowsy ivy]

i9-9900k or i7-9700k that's my choice currently i have a i7-6800k

[hollow relic]

@spiral yew
Hahahah, I was thinking about that. But too expensive, in my country more Rp. 35.000.000 (USD $2.500). I need around Rp. 16.000.000 (USD $1.200) XD

[sand valley]

@wide temple you don’t need that much paste lol, size of a pea minimum

[fiery narwhal]

^true about paste.

[wide temple]

Pea size didn’t work for me the other day. Not enough coverage and has soaring temperatures, it’s fine now though

[fiery narwhal]

if it works, its fine anyway

[halcyon rune]

Oof my frend tired sell this for 100euros

[wide temple]

Talking about ripping people off... lol

[agile ermine]

well... its not that bad for the price... it can stilll run some games

[halcyon rune]

Wind 7 free and it take 5min to open up all things but can fix with ssd but he got ripped on this he bought this for 250euros

[agile ermine]

can be fixed with a reformatting

[halcyon rune]

Yrue

[hollow relic]

I think it's fine buying Dell Rugged Extreme, I can use it for hiking, camping, and extreme condition without worry. But my bill just came up again like bought this Acer Predator. Hohohohohohooh, can't bought new phone for next year. Better living in laptop than phone.

Btw thanks for all advice

[fading stump]

Can i run TMP ets2 on a I5-3470, GTX 1060 3gb Sim2 or 1 on high quality? 🤔

[mighty vine]

Afaik yes

Although in high populated areas you FPS will definitely drop

[hollow relic]

Yeah, it depends on connectivity band and your memory for heavy traffic on MP

But my advice for MP just use mid one cause you know, not much great scene you can see the MP just wanna feel driving with people not AI. But for SP I'm truly advice it to high one for the scene and nice AI looking. Maybe you can use graphics mod too.

[agile ermine]

FPS will significantly drop in MP, especially in highly populated areas, no matter what pc you have

even a titan rtx can't make TMP run smoothly in calais

[fading stump]

I mean, i can use it when driving. Will try to lock my fps and once it drops i can downgrade to a lower graphics settings.

But ok, Thanks for your help guys!

[agile ermine]

yeah, most of the time it should be fine anyways for 1080p@60fps in tmp with high details

[gilded stone]

yeah that's what i get most of the time, and i don't even have a very powerful computer

[pastel lodge]

🤔

#337958514679087104 @sand valley is the only channel it works i think

[chilly thicket]

@fading stump I got a laptop with a 1050ti and I run the game just fine on Ultra with easy 90-100FPS. (60 right now because the monitor is 60hz and stuff). 30FPS with like 80 people on the C-D road and about 15-20 in Duisburg with A LOT of people around. All on Ultra. I should reduce it a bit in crowded cities.
So I guess you should be fine with a 1060. Tho I guess your CPU should make a big difference. Mine is an i7 7700HQ so keep that in mind.

But I think your specs are more than enough to run it on high

[fading stump]

Yes, Once everything is done and together i'll be looking for a i7 or maybe even a i9

[chilly thicket]

Good idea. That's an old CPU for a 1060

[fading stump]

Ye idk i bought that 1060 for a good offer

So i thought why not

[pastel lodge]

I havent tested my laptop on mp yet 😂

I should

All i use it for right now is YouTube and stuff lol

[fading stump]

Lmao

But what would you say is better to play ets2 on an

AMD A10 7860k 16gb 1050 ti

Or a

Intel core i5-3470 8GB GTX 1060 3gb

Kinda between those 2 options...

[hollow relic]

SP or MP ?

[fading stump]

MP

Looking at High graphics

Most likely

[hollow relic]

For MP it's hard to get high graphics when heavy traffic.

Almost impossible to get high fps on that case

[fading stump]

I am more on the highway from Amsterdam to oslo

Then in a duisburg or something

[hollow relic]

Maybe you can get around 30 - 50 fps for heavy traffic

Maybe CD road, and Duisburg gonna be problem on it

That's for sure

[fading stump]

I never come in duisburg

But what will you choose?

The i5 or the A10?

[hollow relic]

A10

[fading stump]

Okay

Because i also have a I5-4570 somewhere laying brand new

But idk if that would be great

[hollow relic]

BEtter use that i5

A10 gen more same likely Intel i7-2000k series

[fading stump]

I am looking to upgrade to a i7 or even a i9

So better use the i5?

[hollow relic]

Hahahahahahahaha, you need to take it slowly. Which part you need most, the GPU/CPU

Yeah.

[fading stump]

I geuss i more need the CPU then the GPU lmao

But thank you haha

[hollow relic]

Maybe I said bought i7 more accurate and stable for high using CPU.

Never tries i9 for work/gaming and not yet learn to configure it

[hexed aurora]

4th gen i5 is plenty fast enough

i9 is just throwing money away

it's literally an epeen extension

[hollow relic]

But I'm usually using i7 HQ and H series

[fading stump]

My main goal is that i can drive with others

[hollow relic]

And thats was great, maybe more great for Xeon but not enough money XD

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And have fun with a nice graphics so i can really enjoy the game

[hexed aurora]

i5 4th gen and a 1060 will get you there

[hollow relic]

Better take i7

Not the i9

[hexed aurora]

Xeon doesn't give you any benefit over consumer chips

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For me, for rendering the 3D it's very helpful

[hexed aurora]

they are more power hungry, and usually at a lower clock

[hollow relic]

Yeah XD

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Xeon idk what i should think if that

Never liked those

[hollow relic]

But just in case

[hexed aurora]

unless your workload is AVX powered, you gain nothing from a Xeon

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Xeon sucks atleast for the experience i had with it.

[hollow relic]

Better take i7 for more general purpose but have high usage for it

[hexed aurora]

in AVX256 workloads, even an old Xeon beats newer i7s, but at a significant power cost

[hollow relic]

That's right

[hexed aurora]

also most workloads aren't pure AVX

Xeons aren't any worse than standard chips other than a few hundred MHz slower though within the same gen

[hollow relic]

Not much workload pure AVX maybe just 2 of 10

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Should a i5 4gen 1050 ti be good too?

Its more like Viva has around atleast max 10 people in there convoy.

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Yeah, it should be good

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Alright.

Thanks

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10 still can handle it even maybe around 15

It depend where your VTC traffic going

If like Oslo to Amsterdam its fine, but CD not sure XD

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Mhmm, i dont like driving around busy areas.

So when they go around germany like duisburg

[hollow relic]

So it should fine up to 20. Just watch the internet broadband

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Alright

Thanks

[hollow relic]

No problem

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