tech

[sand valley]

No😂

[mighty vine]

Yes

What specs do you have?

[sand valley]

Im not a pc specialist... its just a budget pc :P

[mighty vine]

Well yours is better than mine

probably

[sand valley]

Its not the best but this i know, RX580 graphic card

[mighty vine]

I have a GTX 750 Ti

[sand valley]

Its dutch so good luck

[sleek star]

SSD
7200RPM

[mighty vine]

Boi I live in the Netherlands

[sinful monolith]

living somewhere doesn't mean you know the native language of the region

(your roles do though)

[sand valley]

@mighty vineoh lol! 😂

@sleek star is that good or bad? Idk😂😂

The pc works, runs my games what i like to play so im fine with it lmao

[sleek star]

i mean, a ssd is not a hdd, it doesn't have a platter

so in a ssd there is nothing that spins

[pastel lodge]

Whilst waiting for my new ram to arrive can i download some extra free ram somewhere

[unkempt swan]

https://downloadmoreram.com/

[agile ermine]

[pastel lodge]

[wide temple]

@compact cove on an AIO or air cooling?

[compact cove]

@wide temple dark rock pro 4 on performance mode (asrock x470 taichi ultimate)

[compact cove]

my husband managed to get an oc of 4375mhz at 1.3875v at a 'stable' 92 C

132 W into the cpu package

[unkempt swan]

Bad silicon lottery

[placid dragon]

So I fixed my PC (was kinda hoping it was the CPU instead of the mobo so I could upgrade)

[marble crow]

mad

[compact cove]

@unkempt swan it does 4300mhz at 1.32v so its not bad silicon lottery at all, 3900x is only rated for 4300mhz

[agile ermine]

I'd say thats really good to reach 4.3GHz with only 1.32V, I think its more often around 1.35V for that chip

[compact cove]

my r5 2600 does 3.9 at 1.3875v

so id say this 3900x is a decent bin

[hazy rivet]

Noice shoes

[tight tendon]

bought a new pc with ryzen 7 2700x the day before ryzen 3rd gen came out because i FoRgOt

sad

[compact cove]

return it?

[wide temple]

that's the cooler I'm getting 😬

Just need to find some fresh stock of the MSI B450I gaming plus AC motherboard

[compact cove]

you will not be able to fit a DRP4 on an mITX mobo.....

[wide temple]

you reckon?

I've seen people fit the Noctua NH-D15 on ITX mobos

https://pcpartpicker.com/builds/by_part/F3gzK8#E=9,10

Looks fine to me

[compact cove]

i mean, i tried putting it in my RVZ03, failed miserably 😹

and in the big rig they dont clear the ram (dom plats)

[wide temple]

yeah I'm a little concerned about that more than anything else

but the Baliistix I have seems to be normal height

[compact cove]

we had to mount the cooler so that it pulls air from the back of the case

the front case fans only feed the 1080ti right now

hubby is considering a 360mm custom loop for the cpu

[wide temple]

https://content.crucial.com/content/dam/ballistix/marketing-assets/brochures/working/ballistix-product-brochure/Links/ballistix-sport-lt-ddr4-gray-motherboard-1.psd.transform/medium-png/img.png

Height seems to be standard

[compact cove]

ballistix are fine

gskill ripjaws are also fine

dom plats are a massive NO

[wide temple]

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/media/image/thumbnail/CA06XPT_171011_800x800.jpg

This is the case I ordered

[compact cove]

funny, we also have a phanteks xD

[wide temple]

It'll be a tight fit for a DRP4 for sure. I'm still debating if I should go for an AIO but there's always that risk

:3

It's gonna be a huge change from my massive Fractal R4

[compact cove]

enthoo pro here

[wide temple]

Basically I just need a cooler, PSU and a motherboard, then I'm set. I also want an M.2 but that can come later as I picked up a 2TB 2.5" on Prime Day

[compact cove]

cant upload phone pics to discord anymore..... gg discord, gg

[wide temple]

[compact cove]

i just realized how dusty that looks

even tho it was put together last sunday OOF

[sand valley]

Mabye clean it a littlebit

[compact cove]

its on the inside

[sand valley]

then open it and clean it

whats the problem

[compact cove]

the thing weighs 40+ kgs

[sand valley]

I know got my self a hightower pc

[compact cove]

i have to unplug everything, take it down from its 'pedestal', clean it, put it back up and reconnect it

[sand valley]

Yes

i know

[compact cove]

thats a no from me dogg

[sand valley]

I clean my pc evry month

becouse pc with no dust is a pc who keeps cool

[compact cove]

we have a compressor

open the side panel and just blast everythin with air

still have to take it down tho

[sand valley]

and + i need to do it becouse got not 1 but 3 grafficcards in it and then it get fast hot inside when it it dusty

[wide temple]

haha that's one thing I'm looking forward to, being able to carry my PC again

my current build weighs something like 20kg and its huge

[sand valley]

Thats not much weiht

[wide temple]

I use one of these air dusters. https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/712VaKi8kpL._SL1479_.jpg

[sand valley]

i think if you cary my pc then you brake youre neck and back bone's

really to havy to cary

[wide temple]

weight isn't so much the issue

[compact cove]

^ this was in january

[wide temple]

It's the fact that it's just so large in terms of mass

[sand valley]

You lucky iam not home others i showed my one

[compact cove]

rvz03 > node 202

[sand valley]

My one is almost twice bigger than that what stand in the middle

But hey watercooling takes alot of space

ram cooling to

[compact cove]

cooling ram is so dumb....

[sand valley]

Its usefull

[compact cove]

no its not

the rbg on these dom plats are set to full white (255-255-255) and theyre at 34 C

[wide temple]

Water cooling RAM

[sand valley]

You know if you ram and cpu are between 20 or 40 degrees then youre pc works at is best

no not water cooling ram

[wide temple]

Cooling your RAM isn't gonna give you any extra performance unless its running hot due to space constraints/restricted air flow

[sand valley]

Yes and that why i cool it

[compact cove]

ram doesnt throttle until like 75+ C

[sand valley]

Yes but what do you guys do

on it

[compact cove]

if full rgb ram stays at ~35 C, i really dont see why anyone would watercool ram

[sand valley]

i dont watercool my ram

just normal fan ram cooling

[compact cove]

some airflow is fine

[sand valley]

but then special for ram

[compact cove]

tehnically all parts should have some form of air cooling over them

[sand valley]

yes

thats best

[compact cove]

VRM especially

especially on a 3900x sitting on an x470

[sand valley]

what about northbridge and south bridge

[wide temple]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9_E3h8bLp-TXr-0zTJFqqVxdCR9daIVNyMatydkpFA/htmlview?sle=true#gid=639584818
Looks like your board doesn't even need airflow on the VRMs

[compact cove]

you do know one of those is integrated in cpus nowadays right?

yea Moh, i know that table

we got 43 C on the VRMs at full AVX load

chipset temp at 'semi-idle' 34 C

VRM temp at semi-idle 39 C

[sand valley]

The only part who needs cooling is officel the cpu

and the

power supply

[compact cove]

cpu, gpu, psu

[sand valley]

i talk about normal pc

so standard so motherboard gpu

[compact cove]

APU is a different category

[sand valley]

If you gone talk about gaming pcs for simulations like eurotruck and video rendering and aircraft simulators

[compact cove]

@wide temple cpu is idling at 51 C

[sand valley]

#laptop

[compact cove]

fan 2 speed 7600rpm lmao

[sand valley]

yes got my booster on

[compact cove]

more rpms than most cars

[sand valley]

yes

got my left fan speed at max for my gpu

[compact cove]

is that 32 W power usage for the whole laptop?

[sand valley]

only for cpu

[compact cove]

oh good, cuz here im at 49 W while the cpu is idling

[wide temple]

My VRMs are gonna run quite hot on an ITX build

That's pretty hot for idle, did you drop the idle voltage?

[compact cove]

its on stock atm

voltage drops to as low as 0.9v

keep in mind on an mITX youre gonna have 4+2 VRM (with no doublers)

while on this taichi ultimate theres 7+2 (with doubles)

[wide temple]

The mobo I'm looking at doesn't use doublers

6 phases with a 60A power stage

[compact cove]

exactly

out of those 6 phases, 2 are for soc

only 4 are for vcore

i have 14 for vcore

[wide temple]

[compact cove]

youre going for 3700x right?

[wide temple]

yes

the box is behind me right now

[compact cove]

might work, might not

[wide temple]

It better work

[compact cove]

65w cpu vs 105w cpu

8c vs 12c

[wide temple]

The B450I gaming plus AC has the best VRMs of all ITX motherboards

[compact cove]

is it Buildzoid aproved?

[wide temple]

at least from my research anyway

Yes

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/a00mxp/gn_and_buildzoid_best_motherboards_for_amd_ryzen/

Mentioned in the first comment

[compact cove]

cuz im pretty sure Buildzoid said the x470 fatality itx has the best vrms on mITX

k nvm then

its still a 4 phase vcore vrm 😹

[wide temple]

won't get much for VRMs on an ITX board though

as long as I can get a decent overclock, I'll be happy with it

[compact cove]

i know theres a board thats 6+2

but the rest of the board is trash

[wide temple]

I just want to push my RAM to 3600MHz CL14 and push the CPU as high as it'll go

or I could wait for the B550 ITX boards, but those could be months away still

especially considering that MSI are releasing MAX versions of the B450 with the 32MB BIOS chip

[compact cove]

b550 isnt coming out until 2020

[wide temple]

I thought it was scheduled for Q4 of 2019?

[compact cove]

i know it was Q1 2020

Q4 2019 is threadripper zen2

[wide temple]

hm

[compact cove]

and 3950x

[wide temple]

that CPU ain't for me hahah

[compact cove]

3900x trashes the 2920x so

[wide temple]

I don't see any MAX variant of the B450i on MSI's website either :c

Initially I wanted to go for the ROG B450/X470 but the VRMs aren't good and its also really expensive

[compact cove]

asrock for anything amd

yes, the bios is stupidly complicated, but they are damn good boards

[wide temple]

shame their ITX boards aren't

3 power phases lol

[compact cove]

im very satisfied with my b450 fatality

itx/ac*

[wide temple]

what CPU are you running on it

[compact cove]

2600

3.9 oc

[wide temple]

ah, so its not really that important then

[compact cove]

wraith spire*

wraith stealth is for office users.....

[wide temple]

I could still switch to an mATX config, but I'd have to send back the case I ordered

problem is finding something that's relatively small, I just don't want a huge case like the Fractal R4 again

[compact cove]

mini tower that doesnt support matx? what?!

[wide temple]

I need to decide in the next few hours because the eBay code I use expires soon

[compact cove]

oof

i recommend rvz03/node202 for slin console-like cases

[wide temple]

I prefer a tower

http://www.phanteks.com/Enthoo-Evolv-mATX-TemperedGlass.html
I could go for this I suppose...

[compact cove]

i mean... you can try a cube

evolve matx is massive for a mini tower

also, anythin with glass is gonna be HEAVY AF

[wide temple]

true, I feel like I'm taking a risk going with tempered glass as well

[compact cove]

you dont need a glass panel to see bits inside.....

theres a lot of red rgb light coming out of my pc

and it has 0 glass on it

[wide temple]

I don't even see my PC, it sits inside a cabinet

I only bought it because it was the same price as the normal version

[compact cove]

Moh... smack yourself cuz im too far away

[wide temple]

though I'm hoping that I'll be able to put it somewhere prominently rather than inside a cabinet somewhere

hence why I went with it

[compact cove]

S4 mini maybe? lul

[wide temple]

The Evolv ATX is 45.3 cm in height, the R4 is 46.4 cm in height. That's huge

[compact cove]

rvz03 is ..... gimme a sec

[wide temple]

that's way too small lol

I looked that up earlier, again, too small for me

[compact cove]

Dimension382mm (W) x 105mm (H) x 364mm (D), 14.6 Liters

[wide temple]

I want a decent tower case that isn't obscenely huge

[compact cove]

deepcool matrexx?

[wide temple]

48 cm height

[compact cove]

cube..... get a damn cube

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[wide temple]

┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)

that case looks really nice though

you might be wondering why I don't want to go with a large case. I got the R4 last time for upgrades, but, I never upgraded anything. All I changed was the GPU and added some fans + wireless card

[compact cove]

as i said, cube

node 304

node 804

oh

raijintek thetis

thermaltake core v1

or core x1

idk, theres a lot of nice cube cases

[wide temple]

you couldn't even pay me to touch a thermaltake case

they're shysters

[compact cove]

thetis are nice

ive seen them 'live'

[ebon halo]

Are there allready leaked Informations for a New NVIDIA GPU 2020 Q1

[wide temple]

"live"?

[compact cove]

in person

[wide temple]

ah, in a store or at an expo?

[compact cove]

store

[wide temple]

ah

https://www.nzxt.com/products/h400i-matte-black-blue

39.3mm in height 👀

[compact cove]

so about the same as my raven

which is fairly tall

[wide temple]

Phanteks ITX:
230 mm x 375 mm x 395 mm (W x H x D)

NZXT H400i:
W: 210mm H: 393mm D: 421mm (without feet)
W: 210mm H: 417mm D: 421mm (with feet)

Damn that's really tempting...

[compact cove]

would rather have the phanteks than the nzxt

[wide temple]

the phanteks definitely looks better

but any other reason why?

[compact cove]

easier to work in

built in rgb

[wide temple]

true that, the NZXT uses CAM which I absolutely do not want on my PC

[compact cove]

icue > cam

[wide temple]

not only is it a resource hog, it's also very heavy on the data collection side

what would you pick out of the two?
stick to the Phanteks ITX or go for the H200 with an mATX board

[compact cove]

considering the 3700x

id go matx but not with the h200

[wide temple]

there's no other decent mATX tower cases I can find :c

[compact cove]

cube

or a very small atx tower

[wide temple]

no cube

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

"small atx tower"

[compact cove]

no ryzen for you (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[wide temple]

pls no

[compact cove]

get a 3600 and you can put it in anythin you want

[wide temple]

I already bought it, I ain't sending it back

plus I want 8c/16t (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[compact cove]

dont send it back, resell it

[wide temple]

I actually could, seeing as I bought it at a discount

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/kRDzK8/fractal-design-define-mini-c-tg-microatx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-def-mini-c-bk-tg

or maybe this

but I want something different 😭

[compact cove]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/Pdprxr/deepcool-matrexx-30-microatx-mini-tower-case-matrexx-30

oh

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/mhjWGX/deepcool-smarter-microatx-mini-tower-case-smarter

[wide temple]

those look horrible

[compact cove]

^ my hubby build a ryzen 2k system for a friend in one of these

its surprisingly quiet

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/QMp323/thermaltake-case-ca1d500s1wn00

[wide temple]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

cube

[compact cove]

cube is your best option

its meant for matx

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/C6M323/cooler-master-case-sil352mkkn1

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/zBcMnQ/raijintek-case-0r200029 (in another color)

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/mDH48d/inwin-301-black-microatx-mini-tower-case-301-black

[wide temple]

that InWin looks sublime

[compact cove]

im done for today

tired af

choose wisely Moh

gn

[wide temple]

thanks for the help

I'll try, goodnight

[plucky whale]

WTB 3700x

[sand raft]

👀

[wide temple]

@compact cove https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/ You might find this useful (idk if you already know about it)

[wide temple]

welp, I think I've finally come to a decision for a case. Going for the Meshify C Mini TG

[pseudo comet]

but i have enough graficcards xd 50 kilograms xD

[sand valley]

Guys , someone playing with mac+egpu?

[tight tendon]

owo

[pseudo comet]

@sand valley

its this for Mac🤔

[agile ermine]

wut?

thats a gpu, not a complete egpu...

[sand valley]

egpu google it @pseudo comet

[sinful monolith]

Got a Samsung A40 to replace my old Pixel 2 XL

[sinful monolith]

It needed replacing

[pastel lodge]

naaaah if it still works no need

[remote estuary]

Ye it's just fat

[wide temple]

inb4 there's a chemical explosion due to the battery exploding

[pastel lodge]

lol

its fineeeee

[wide temple]

It really isn't though (assuming the battery is bulging, not sure what the PIxel 2 looks like like from the back). As the battery will be exposing toxic fumes which should never be inhaled

[pastel lodge]

only if damaged

otherwise it should not be giving out fumes

since phone would never pass to be sold

[wide temple]

That's the thing, you're taking a risk using a battery like that as it could puncture at any time or at risk of a thermal runaway

[pastel lodge]

gotta live dangerously dont ya?

[sinful monolith]

airport security approved it multiple times, so must be safe

[pastel lodge]

lol

[royal forum]

My father once owned an Iphone 3gs and his battery exploded, too.
It was just like the whole phone blew up and was duble as thick as it was before

[compact cove]

@wide temple 4.3ghz at 1.31v

[sand valley]

@wide temple apologies for the ping, are you looking at a new pc or?

@compact cove wow nice, i wanted the ryzen 7 3800x but couldn't afford it

https://gyazo.com/ef2ce0b1dc9960a12c372a741fa3e5d8 - https://gyazo.com/fdd155187596d3c4438edcaaf957c982

153 fps on the test

[spiral yew]

where are you getting this benchmarks from?

[sand valley]

Cinebench

my cpu is at 4.2ghz, not 3.6

[compact cove]

@sand valley 3800x is useless compared to 3700x

[sand valley]

I’ll see what I can afford

[mighty vine]

@compact cove Why?

[compact cove]

because youd pay 50 euros extra for 100mhz

3800x is only useful for competitive oc

[mighty vine]

Thanks

[agile ermine]

3700X isn't really worse than the 3800X for overclocking, maybe you will only see a difference under nitrogen...

[wide temple]

@compact cove what's the idle voltages like?
Also regarding my case situation. I'm sending the Phanteks ITX back and likely opting for a Fractal Define Mini C or Meshify C. Boring I know, but eh, its functional and I don't really look at my PC that often.

@sand valley yes I am, bought most of the parts already. 3700X, 32GB RAM (3200 CL14, will be overclocking), 2TB MX500 SSD, 1TB MP510 M.2 SSD, Dark Rock Pro 4 cooler, RM650x PSU. I bought a case already but sending it back as I decided against ITX. Just waiting for the MSI MAX mobos to become available then I'll be ready to build.

[sand valley]

oh. ok that didnt work. pog?

there we go

get the b450 tomahawk 😄

[wide temple]

I saw it too many repeated letters

[sand valley]

great motherboard

shhhh moh

[wide temple]

I'm waiting for the B450M Mortar MAX

As the Mini C is an mATX case

[sand valley]

i was surprised when my b450 came

luckily i had an atx case already lul

[wide temple]

ye originally I was going for an ITX build but I realised I'm making too many compromises with little space saved anyway

[sand valley]

itx is way too small for what you're wanting

[wide temple]

http://comparesizes.com/comparison/ITXmATX-comparison/1564328853105

[sand valley]

mATX or ATX would do you

[wide temple]

I used this for a comparison

My current case is a massive Fractal R4 and as much as I love it, its just too big and didn't ever make full use of it in terms of upgrades etc

[sand valley]

i have a xigmatek frontliner, its actually a really good case

snapped its front leg by accident though

[compact cove]

@wide temple 3900x stock voltages go randomly from 0.9v to 1.48v

[sand valley]

the case has 5 case fan options and comes with 3, but i replaced them all for rgb fans lel

[compact cove]

hubby locked it down to a solid 1.31v

[wide temple]

😁

I'm gonna get some Chromax NF-A14 fans. I just need to find a decent PWM controller to hook them up to

[compact cove]

we have be quiet silent wings 3

[wide temple]

I don't think I'll even need them tbh... the Mini C comes with some fans (which are ok), but I want to replace them

[compact cove]

we switched the front and back fans with phanteks black fans

be quiet are top and bottom

[wide temple]

do you use a PWM controller at all?

[compact cove]

pwm hub

[wide temple]

or just a splitter

which one?

[compact cove]

case one

[wide temple]

ah, the Mini C doesn't come with one

[compact cove]

case is a phanteks entho pro m

you can buy the hub separately too

its like 15 euros

[wide temple]

ye I was gonna buy the Phanteks one as it looks the "cleanest" whilst also being moderately priced

£15.95 here

[compact cove]

it also allows you to have 3 pin fans

so you dont need slightly more expensive 4 pin fans

the controller itself is pwm

fans dont need to be

[wide temple]

ye that's true, but I'm still gonna get the A14's as they're the best available

plus they don't look awful with the chromax option

[compact cove]

just get phanteks ones 😛

[wide temple]

but are they the same in terms of performance?

[compact cove]

Phanteks PH-F140SP Black

almost the same as the be quiet ones we have

different sound pitch

[wide temple]

hmmm

[compact cove]

we replaced the 200mm on the front with dual 140

[wide temple]

will have to look at the prices and see how much it is. I just want to get the best fans possible and everyone says the A14's are the best

[compact cove]

the x25 ones?

[wide temple]

https://www.quietpc.com/nf-a14-pwm-ch-bk-s

these

[compact cove]

not the best

[wide temple]

tell me more

[compact cove]

https://noctua.at/en/nf-a12x25-pwm

the best, ever, period

expensive AF for that matter ....

30 euro a piece here....

[wide temple]

but... it's brown

[compact cove]

i know

we are waiting for chromax versions

noctua said they will come later this year

[wide temple]

I'll have to give it some more thought and do a bit more research I guess

I just want the MAX mobos to come into stock already...

[compact cove]

but for starters, these phanteks ones are great

x470 taichi ultimate

how cheap can you get an x470 taichi?

(non ultimate)

[wide temple]

£195

[compact cove]

i forgot which cpu youre getting

3600 or 3700x?

[wide temple]

3700x

already bought it

[compact cove]

then x470

dont waste money on x570

dont cheap out on b450

[wide temple]

from all the info I've seen, it doesn't really matter for overclocking

as long as it has decent VRMs

I don't need the extra features of the X platform

[compact cove]

high end b450 will cost as much as an x470

unless you want to go mATX

then an MSI Bazooka would be awesome

[wide temple]

Mortar seems to be the best in terms of spec

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/c8t604/buying_a_motherboard_for_ryzen_3000_on_a_budget/

According to this anyway

The B450M Mortar is going for about ~£90 roughly

Bazooka V2 is slightly cheaper, but I read that the voltage regulators are worse than the original Bazooka

[sand valley]

The b450 tomahawk is like £90-100

It does me really well for my 3600

[wide temple]

It's ATX though >:(

I'm limited to the Gaming Plus or Mortar, the latter being the better option

I just want the MAX variant to come into stock. I'm that desperate I'm even considering to import it

[halcyon rune]

case: Thermaltake V21
motherboard: Asus Z170m-plus
Prosessor: Intel 6700k (i7),
cooler, Noctua NH-D15S
ram: 32gB(4x8gB), Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4. (16-18-18-35)
SSD: Samsung 850 EVO, 250gB
graphics card: quadro k5000
if i buy that for 450euros and buy 1060 6gb like 120euros then is it good ?

[sand valley]

Moh it doesn’t matter what size it is as long as it works

wait that can be taken out of context

[wide temple]

But I'm using an mATX case

[sand valley]

oof well maybe its time for a bigger size 👀

[spiral yew]

moh i'm using a mid sized case and i still have plenty of room in my case

[unkempt swan]

I heard x570 has problems with boot time

[halcyon rune]

if you pee on cpu then you can say its liquid cooled

[gilded stone]

yeah

[mighty vine]

:shocked:

[wide temple]

Nah, I'm sticking to mATX. ATX is too large for me and I never made full use of my current ATX case. I wanted to go ITX but would have made too many compromises with that

@unkempt swan Seems to be MSI boards that are the most affected, not sure what's going on but they still haven't figured it out. Loads of reports of users with multiple failed boots, having to reflash the BIOS, etc.

Most annoying part is that the MSI boards are the best in terms of bang for buck

@halcyon rune that's actually really well priced... I'd go for it if that's what you're after

[halcyon rune]

ok

[unkempt swan]

@halcyon rune go for it

[halcyon rune]

ya im going i need pay 470 for pc because someone alredy wanted it for 450 and now need find graphics card for that

[gilded stone]

mATX is a good size

My current computer is an mATX minitower Dell

[spiral yew]

good luck trying to upgrade anything except for the gpu

[gilded stone]

Oh, I've upgraded more than that.

[night pine]

Atx is better, bigger. And as we all know bigger is better 🍌

[bright parcel]

anyone know how to sort the RGB lighting on my G203 gaming mouse

its a logitech one

[mighty vine]

Logitech Gaming Software?

Or the specific one for your mouse

[bright parcel]

i got the gaming software i just dont know how to change the colours

[mighty vine]

There should be a mouse at the bottom menu

[bright parcel]

there is G HUB

[hollow relic]

Check the manuals book, or just type help on Logitech Search Tab

[bright parcel]

okay

[hollow relic]

https://support.logi.com/hc/en-us#!/en_us/article/Customize-lighting-settings-on-the-G203-gaming-mouse-with-Logitech-Gaming-Software

[bright parcel]

would help if i got the logitech options software.....

[hollow relic]

Yeah. Sorry never have a gaming mouse. For me it's not much worth it. So just help with the basic knowledge.

[bright parcel]

okay cool thanks 😃

[lament zealot]

This is ETS2 originally:

And this is what it looks like in OBS:

What in my OBS settings would be screwing with the saturation or what ever it is???

[halcyon rune]

idk but it looks cooler tho

[lament zealot]

Maybe, but I don't like it.

Just want it the way it is in my game.

OH

It was because I had "Allow Transparency" setting on.

🤦

[halcyon rune]

Lol

Can someone tell me why when i put lights on my internet speed goes to 2kbps and when i turn them off then my internet speed is 50mbps

My brain cant process this

[hollow relic]

What lights ?

Inside game ?

[halcyon rune]

No irl

First time i saw this because i got xbox one x and i looked the internet speed its much faster when lights is off

[hollow relic]

Ohh I see, But what lights ?

On Xbox/router/etc ?

[halcyon rune]

I tired on rgb and led light and they slow my internet speed i saw this on xbox on pc idk what wrong with that internet it goes 2.6mbps max

[hollow relic]

Ohh maybe it's interupt the power consumption. Like old computer/cheap power supply and front USB in PC not working

[halcyon rune]

Idk

Ok when i close my door then my internet speed slows down too

What the hell is going on

[hollow relic]

That's happen caused the signal got blocked, like window or some mirror/glass

But for the lights still figured it out

[halcyon rune]

But the router is 3 rooms away and where door is its like 4 rooms away if you understand what im trying to say

And my pc have now brand new 550w corsair psu and my internet stick this is on back the case

[spiral yew]

Ahhh your using WiFi right?

[hollow relic]

That's effect too, even your router have high band antenna and strength.

[spiral yew]

If you're using WiFi then there will be signal interference

Either you have a shitty router or a shitty WiFi card

[halcyon rune]

But both are good or what we bought of telia best wifi card and router what they god like 6months ago

[spiral yew]

Oh you're in Sweden

[halcyon rune]

Idk or my room is bunker here gets veryhot and otjer rooms wifi works normally

Im in finland

Oof

[spiral yew]

I've only heard of telia due to a streamer that I watch lives in Sweden and had net issues with that company

[halcyon rune]

Oof

[spiral yew]

Closing a door should not cause that much interference

[hollow relic]

Nope, but glass door should interference. And some of thick wood.

[halcyon rune]

I have wooden door and its like 2cm wide

[spiral yew]

My router is downstairs in the basement and I can be upstairs and still get a good signal

[hollow relic]

It should fine

[spiral yew]

That door would have to be pretty thick and have to be solid wood and not the plywood doors they use now

[mighty vine]

Maybe the light bulb is interfering?

[halcyon rune]

This is fullwooden if this would be plywood it would be broken rn

[mighty vine]

is it an old light bulb?

[halcyon rune]

Nope i have rgb and led light tired both and same happends

[spiral yew]

If you knock on the door and don't hear an echo then the door is solid wood

[mighty vine]

Maybe the wires cause interference when the electricity is going trough

[hollow relic]

That's RGB from your PC/keyboard ?

Maybe @mighty vine

I ever heard that before

[spiral yew]

Sounds like shitty wiring

[mighty vine]

Electro magnetic fields

and stuff

[hollow relic]

Not shitty wiring but the magnetic field

[mighty vine]

thats why i asked if it was a old light bulb

[halcyon rune]

Its solid wood

[mighty vine]

@halcyon rune Is your lightbulb the fancy RGB ones?

[spiral yew]

Yea if it's not wired correctly you can have all kinds of electromagnetic interference

[halcyon rune]

I have fancy rgb and i got like normal too

[mighty vine]

🤔

I have one too but it does nothing to my WiFi

[spiral yew]

I have 2 RGB strips and RGB light panels that don't affect my WiFi

But my pc and consoles are hardwired cause I'm close enough to the router

[mighty vine]

you can turn the lights on with the on/off switch on the wall and turn them off with your remote?

Could you try that?

[hollow relic]

It should not interference if the RGB coming not from the PC it shelf like keyboard, mouse, or etc

[mighty vine]

He has a RGB Light bulb

[spiral yew]

I still thinks it's from poor wiring

[mighty vine]

So technically he could turn them on with the wall on/off thing and turn them off with the remote to the light bulb. That way he can check if it is the wiring or the light bulb

If he checks that and the wifi slows down it's the wiring

if the WiFi speed is fast its the light bubl

easy as that

[spiral yew]

If it's the wiring there isn't much you can do

[mighty vine]

That is my opinion and something I would do

But you can try it

[hollow relic]

Yeah, same opinion like me

[spiral yew]

Re-wiring a house would cost a fortune

[mighty vine]

yeah

opening the ceiling and rewiring everything and closing it down would be very expensive very fast

if it is the wiring he could move his PC and Xbox to another room

[hollow relic]

Or it's fine using your house electric but using small stabilizers device before you plug the PC. Like me

[spiral yew]

Not just the ceiling but also the walls

[mighty vine]

^^^^

@hollow relic What?

are those?

[spiral yew]

Frenzy if it's the wiring it won't matter where they go

[mighty vine]

it could be that the wiring is messed up in one place only

[spiral yew]

Most of the time there is more than one strand going to the breaker box

[mighty vine]

🤷

If he tries what I said earlier we could help him determine what it is caused by

Im off for a CSGO match

So i will not be aviable for 45 min?

[spiral yew]

Depending on the size of the house and number of outlets there could be at least 20 to 30 wires going into the breaker box

[hollow relic]

@mighty vine electric stabilizer

[spiral yew]

You mean a voltage regulator?

[hollow relic]

Same like that, but electric stabilizer more like UPS device

[spiral yew]

That's what they are

They are called voltage regulators

[hollow relic]

It's different on my cpountry

*Country

Voltage regulator you need connect it on wired. But electric stabilizer just need to plug in like generator/UPS.

[spiral yew]

UPS do regulate the voltage

[hollow relic]

But it store the power too, and I don't fine good one for me with my budget

I just need electric stabilizer.

[spiral yew]

So something like this https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/XFwAAOSwFalcepkP/s-l1600.jpg

[hollow relic]

More bigger

electric stabilizer

[spiral yew]

https://pisces.bbystatic.com/image2/BestBuy_US/images/products/6165/6165880_sd.jpg;maxHeight=1000;maxWidth=1000

[hollow relic]

Yeah like that

[spiral yew]

Ahhh on the you posted it says automatic voltage regulator

[hollow relic]

Shit, you're right

[lament zealot]

How do I make my recordings in OBS not so huge..

[spiral yew]

What is your resolution?

[sinful monolith]

lower the bitrate

[lament zealot]

1080p

@sinful monolith any recommendations for the bitrate?

[spiral yew]

Yea lower the bitrate

[sinful monolith]

1080p 30fps?

[spiral yew]

What is it at now?

[lament zealot]

1080p 60fps

50,000kbps

[hollow relic]

Wow, that's huge fps

And bitrate

[sinful monolith]

probably want around 10 000 kbps minimum

[spiral yew]

50k bitrate that's crazy

[lament zealot]

want it to come out good 👌

lol

[sinful monolith]

50k is very reasonable for a 1080p60 recording

[lament zealot]

Will putting it down to 10k bitrate lower the quality drastically?

[sinful monolith]

yes

[lament zealot]

Well that's a deal breaker for me.

I want it to look not shit.

[sinful monolith]

bitrate, resolution and fps are the primary things that affect the filesize

it won't look bad at 10k, but you're probably able to tell the difference between that and 50k

experiment with it

are you using x264?

[lament zealot]

encoder?

[sinful monolith]

yes

[lament zealot]

No, using the NVENC H.264

[sinful monolith]

all you can really do is experiment with lower bitrate (and/or lower fps/resolution)

[lament zealot]

k

Luckally when I put the video through Adobe Premiere Pro the file size goes down massively.

[sinful monolith]

yeah, that doesn't have to be real time, so it can spend a lot more resources to get better quality in smaller size

[wide temple]

😩 tfw you have almost every component except the motherboard to build your new PC

[compact cove]

@wide temple does almost include the case?

[wide temple]

Oi

[compact cove]

oh?

which one?

[wide temple]

I sent the ITX back, planning on the Define C TG

Will probably just buy it on Amazon with Prime

[compact cove]

you twat 😦

[wide temple]

hey 😦

no bulli

[compact cove]

thats an R6 with a mesh fp

Fractal played you like a fiddle 😦

[wide temple]

You mean the Meshify C MIni? That's the one with the Mesh front

I don't think I'll be getting that, it'll need cleaning too often and I'm lazy

[compact cove]

wait, im confused

which one is the define c then? 🤔

oooooh

[wide temple]

Meshify C Mini

[compact cove]

tall boy R6 with glass side panel

[wide temple]

Ye I'm gonna get the one with TG, but I feel like I'll end up regretting it when it gets smashed

[mighty vine]

I like the Fractal one :)

[compact cove]

^ define C TG

[wide temple]

Dat be the one

[mighty vine]

Damn

The fractal front panel is lit

[compact cove]

meanwhile sittin next to me rn:

oh btw Moh

we got rgb

[wide temple]

I'm kind turned off of huge ATX cases now, too much space wasted and I never upgrade anything significant to make use of the case space

Get out

[compact cove]

thats high tower btw 😹

i present to you, Vader

[wide temple]

That's actually pretty tasteful, me likey likey

G203 mouse as well?

[compact cove]

pic is trash cuz phones cant take pics in the dark....

g413 + g102

[wide temple]

o

Looks like the G203 to me

[compact cove]

same design

different sensor

[wide temple]

o

you're not gonna try to convince me to go cube again are you

[compact cove]

no? 🤔

but i could convince you to go SFF

[wide temple]

oh pls

SFF would be the dream with a custom cooling loop

[compact cove]

my Raven needs a new gpu

i might go 2070 Super

[wide temple]

I'm sticking to my 1070 FTW, NVIDIA latest offerings aren't really compelling at the price they're sold at

AMD pls compete in the high end GPU segment again pls 🙏

[compact cove]

im not getting anything until i see AIB 5700s

cuz i was rly considering a 5700 (non XT)

[wide temple]

I wouldn't even consider that until they sort out all the driver probs

I say that as I look to get a B450 board known to have BIOS issues

[compact cove]

which?

[wide temple]

all the MSI boards pretty much

sucks because they have the best VRMs

[compact cove]

i wouldnt get an MSI am4 board.....

msi for gpu? yes

msi for mobo? hell no

[wide temple]

But all the other mobos suck in terms of feature set or price

GIgabyte mobos have crap VRMs

ASUS mobos are expensive AF

BIOSTAR I don't even dare consider

ASRock VRMS suck too (except for the Taichi, but again, price comes into factor)

[compact cove]

i have a fatality in my SFF

if you say it sucks i will chip the paint off your truck

[wide temple]

😦

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9_E3h8bLp-TXr-0zTJFqqVxdCR9daIVNyMatydkpFA/edit#gid=639584818

According to this, yes it does suck

[compact cove]

i wasnt joking

[wide temple]

😭

pls no bulli

[compact cove]

also boy

it can handle stock 3900x

[wide temple]

"Stock" being the keyword

[compact cove]

3800x oc

[wide temple]

Though you're probably right, VRMs don't matter that much with Ryzen 3xxx due to chips being binned pretty tightly anyway..

[compact cove]

and i definitely wouldnt go more than 3600x in a SFF case

[wide temple]

They don't seem to be great overclockers, maybe it might change with future batches

[compact cove]

actually, 3700x

since its 65w xD

[wide temple]

That's what I have baka

[compact cove]

hmm, a 3700x and a 2060 super

time to wreck Moh with a smaller build than his

[wide temple]

Not anymore

I'll go "average" this time around, maybe in the future i'll go smol

[compact cove]

tbh i was even considering a 1660ti

[wide temple]

even though mATX is becoming rare these days

there's only like 2 X570 mATX boards

[compact cove]

since i only care about 1080p 75fps

[wide temple]

FreeSync monitor?

[compact cove]

yep

[wide temple]

Not bad

I don't think I could go below 120Hz again for gaming

[compact cove]

rx590 was already getting capped in Div2 on max settings

[wide temple]

so what do you think to the Define C TG Mini?

you didn't seem too happy 😦

[compact cove]

kinda tall and short (?) for an mATX

short as in lenght

[wide temple]

http://comparesizes.com/comparison/Comparison/1564788831497

Compared to the R4 it's a lot smaller

😏

[compact cove]

who said that?!

[wide temple]

🙊

[compact cove]

did you delete it as i was editing it? lul

[wide temple]

nope, I didn't do anything

[compact cove]

uuuuh tell me youre not jokin

[wide temple]

oh, it got deleted by the bot due too many caps

[compact cove]

oh, phew

[compact cove]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wide temple]

[compact cove]

anyway, get some rgb strips for it

[wide temple]

If I ever put the PC somewhere I can see it, I will

[compact cove]

on the desk, thats why youre getting mATX

[wide temple]

nuhuh, it's going inside my desk, but that is likely to change in the next 12 months or so

[compact cove]

if you put it in the 'closed door desk' i will play the worlds smallest violin when it gets toasty

[wide temple]

That's exactly where it's going 😹

My current build has been fine in that

[compact cove]

i mean, my SFF sits at ~70 C in games

and thats a 3.9 oc on a 2600

that sits in an open space

[wide temple]

I'll have to check what mine runs at tomorrow, but I think its around the same temps tbh

Helps that it's right near the window which is always slightly open to let some air in

[compact cove]

the 3900x runs 50 C idle

[wide temple]

All of the 3rd gens run that high don't they? because the idle voltage is something like 1.5v

[compact cove]

70-80 with 4-5 cores loaded

95 ish with all cores loaded

even with a fixed voltage..... there is no fixed voltage

[wide temple]

95c

[compact cove]

i mean.... 12 cores, overclocked, air cooling

[sand valley]

My 3rd gen doesn’t run that hot

I’ve seen 40-45c at idle, 60-75 under load

Spikes up to 80 now and then

Air cooled

Moh since you live close let me build your pc

[compact cove]

@wide temple just ordered a new gpu for my sff

[wide temple]

owo what's this?

[sand valley]

UWU

I think I’m happy with my 1060

Pairs well with my 3600

Might get a 2070

[compact cove]

@wide temple vega56 from sapphire (with guaranteed samsung memory)

inb4 vega64 bios mod and oc+uv tuning

[wide temple]

[compact cove]

2070 raw performance for just a bit over 200 euros

[wide temple]

only twice the power draw right?

[compact cove]

depends

people say they managed to bring it down to 230w

even with the powerplay tables

i have an overclocked 2600

so i doubt ill wreck the shit off my corsair 600w 80+ gold psu

[wide temple]

still a pretty hefty card tho

[compact cove]

cpu itself goes to like 90w

even if the card pulls 300w, ill be fine

[wide temple]

aye, I'd be more worried about the electricity bills

[compact cove]

not worried about that

we only pay 20 euros a month on the light bill

[wide temple]

whoa, electricity must be cheap in Romania then 👀

[compact cove]

its pretty normal 🤔

keep in mind that the 'big rig' runs 24/7

and thats a 750w psu

• 3 monitors + gigantic speakers

[wide temple]

It won't be pulling much at idle though

[compact cove]

cpu pulls 50w at idle on the big boy

133w at full load

[wide temple]

I gotta get me one of those kill-a-watt things to check how much mine pulls currently

[compact cove]

or just aida64 extreme 🤷

[wide temple]

Idk how accurate it is tho

[compact cove]

more accurate than hwinfo64 when its not updated lul

[wide temple]

[compact cove]

im off to night shift, take care Moh 👋

[wide temple]

have fun

[cunning flax]

is it worth getting a 2060 rtx

[remote estuary]

The "Super" range is out, so consider that an option

[compact cove]

for RTX get a 2060 Super

for non-RTX get a 5700 or Vega56

[placid dragon]

But if like emulation don't buy AMD

I know some people who made that mistake xD

[sand valley]

yea dont get an amd graphics card pls

[mighty vine]

What's bad about them?

[hollow relic]

Idk

But for me, I got some reason on it for workshop/extreme temperature used.

But for the processor high classed is I have no problem with it. Just for graphics card and low end processor.

[unkempt swan]

@wide temple trye about refreshrate

I had to work for 3 days on a laptop on uni project and didn't manage to get used back to 60 Hz

[halcyon rune]

Ok can someone tell why my wont turn on i had 450w and changed to 550w psu when i have new one fans spinss less than 1 sec and when i change old it works normally

[agile ermine]

Thats called semi-active cooling

Welcome in 2019 😬

The fans will only spin if your psu reaches a certain temperature

Otherwise it doesnt spin, to make less noise

[mighty vine]

^^^^

[hollow relic]

Or you can just set on BIOS to keep spinning around like truck's radiator on Outback. Hohhohoohhohooh, some of gaming rig have that settings on active mode so don't need on BIOS setting.

[agile ermine]

Not sure you can tune your psu's fan in the bios, as it isn't plugged on the motherboard

[compact cove]

@wide temple so my vega56 came.....

[wide temple]

:o

tell me more

[compact cove]

theres a problem

the gpu assembly mount of my Raven case doesnt allow mode than a dual slot card

the vega is 2.3 slots....

[wide temple]

that was one of my worries with going ITX, not being able to use a card bigger than 2 slots

[compact cove]

so my husband talked to the guy that bought my old rx590

and he agreed to swap cards + pay a bit extra for the vega

so ill be getting my 590 back 😐

the baby blue rx590

[wide temple]

you can't return it?

[compact cove]

i bought it on 'lease', cancelling is hella complicated and i cant be bothered to do it....

[wide temple]

how does that work? I've never heard of leasing on computer parts before..

[hollow relic]

Same

[compact cove]

you can buy quite literally anything here in up to 6 installments

[hollow relic]

Is that include like CPU/RAM ?

[compact cove]

every single bit of a pc

[mighty vine]

Hdd lol

[hollow relic]

Dang, that's great.

[wide temple]

You have to return it after the lease period?

[compact cove]

all electronics and home appliances to

[hollow relic]

What's kind people use HDD from lease XD

[compact cove]

no.... you pay it in full, but not cash down

[mighty vine]

Idk

[wide temple]

Oh, so that's not leasing, but financing

[compact cove]

instead of paying 200 euros for a new gpu, i pay 33.33 euros for 6 months

yea, wrong term 🤔

[wide temple]

Leasing is when you pay for something in monthly instalment and return it after the lease period 😛

I would say I'd be quite surprised if someone offered that, cos I'd consider taking it up

[compact cove]

i would lease gpus if i could xD

swap gpu to new ones every year

[wide temple]

A lot of people would

[compact cove]

but yea, financing/installments

so, my pc will be back into its original (january) state in a few days.....

[wide temple]

Could be worse, you could have a bunch of components sitting in boxes waiting for a motherboard ._.

[compact cove]

oof

[wide temple]

Debating if I should risk going for the non MAX variant board or going for the ASRock B450M Steel Legend mobo

Looks nice, has decent features, but seems to be plagued with BIOS issues too

[agile ermine]

You should wait, every boards do have some bios issues

[compact cove]

asrock dont cheap out on bios chips tho.....

but then again, id still go for x470

[gilded stone]

X series if you're going for a 6 core and up

unless the B series board has a good power delivery system

[compact cove]

hes got a 3700x

[gilded stone]

X470 then

[mighty vine]

Is the 2400 G a good option?

[gilded stone]

yes

[compact cove]

3400G*

[mighty vine]

Sorry

[compact cove]

much more stable

[mighty vine]

Is it good?

[compact cove]

without a gpu it can play 1080p low 40-50fps

[mighty vine]

And with a GTX 750Ti?

[compact cove]

might as well get a 3600 (non-x) instead

or a 2600 if they are massively discounted

[gilded stone]

The 3400G's built in GPU is probably on par with a 750 Ti.

[compact cove]

amd said its on par with an rx550

[mighty vine]

🤔

Atm I am not up to date with the pc world

:/

[compact cove]

i am cuz of my nerd husband

[mighty vine]

That is lucky

2 people that love tech

[compact cove]

cant be a cheater if hes at the pc 24/7

[mighty vine]

And each other

Lmao

[compact cove]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mighty vine]

But I guess I should look at the prices then

Is the 3600 much more expensive than the 3400G?

[compact cove]

should be close

the 2600 is slightly slower than the 3600

but it should be at a massive drop in price

since its 'last gen' now

[mighty vine]

But everything will be better than a AMD Athlon X3 450/350

:P

[compact cove]

last upgrade we went from i7 6700k to R9 3900x

and the difference is huge

[mighty vine]

Going from a 3 core to a 4 core should be a huge difference too

I think

And hyperthreading?

[compact cove]

hyperthread is like +40%

[mighty vine]

:0

[compact cove]

check your local prices

[mighty vine]

Maybe I could stream properly

[compact cove]

if 2600 is cheap enough, get one

6c/12t

[mighty vine]

Whoa

[compact cove]

i have it in my mini pc

[mighty vine]

Also is the Xiaomi Mi9 T a good phone for €380?

[compact cove]

i had a Mi Pro for 2 years

cant recommend Xiaomi to anyone..... software support is 0

[mighty vine]

Huawei P smart Z?

Theyvare the same but the Huawei has a fingerprint sensor at the back side and 2 camera's instead of 3

And expandable memory

I still want to go for the xiaomi

[compact cove]

i have a Nokia 8 now and im immensely happy with it

[mighty vine]

In display fingerprint sensor and a triple camera

Pop up camera

The Huawei has one too

But the difference between those two is exactly €100

[compact cove]

crap im gonna be late for work

cya 👋

[mighty vine]

Bye 👋

[wide temple]

B series motherboards are fine for 8 core chips, the 3700X is only a 65W TDP chip

I don't have any plans to stick a 39xx series chip in there in the future either

[mighty vine]

If I made a list of components on pcpartpicker.com would someone mind watching the setup to see if it is good?

[wide temple]

Sure thing

[mighty vine]

Thanks and I will probably post the list tomorrow

[wide temple]

[mighty vine]

I would update your Nvidia drivers

[wide temple]

... what?

[mighty vine]

There is an exploit with the video cards but you need to have physical access

[unkempt swan]

Haven't seen many personal reviews on LG V40

Kinda want to buy it

@mighty vine go

[hollow relic]

What do you think it's better, LG V40 or Samsung Galaxy Note 9 ?

For android based on duty work

[mighty vine]

Note 9

But I never saw the V40 thp

So I can't compare

[hollow relic]

Owhh, okay.

[gilded stone]

LG phones aren't all that good compared to other offerings tbh

the V series has good DACs but that's about it

[mighty vine]

I am planning on buying a Huawei P smart Z or the Xiaomi Mi 9 T

The price difference is €100

[gilded stone]

If you live in a country where carriers support those, yes.

[mighty vine]

I will buy them unlocked

Just the phone

Wait

Nvm

[gilded stone]

If you live in the United States, the Pixel 3A is good.

I have one and it's great.

[mighty vine]

The Netherlands

[gilded stone]

camera is ascended

[hollow relic]

I'm living which country have bad support on Iphone and Google

Have bad support in here

I don't need the cam XD Hate it so much

[gilded stone]

Here's a photo I took on a plane

[mighty vine]

Whoa

That looks pretty up there

Never went on a plane so 😐

[gilded stone]

that was my second time being on a plane

was flying back from Sacramento

[mighty vine]

Double clouds

[hollow relic]

I'm always wanna getting on wing's window every time getting by plane XD or better take another flight

[gilded stone]

The flight only took like an hour and 15 minutes because LA to Sacramento isn't very far on a plane.

[mighty vine]

Or 2 level clouds

[plucky marsh]

i just did a 3 week bahamas stay

and both times i sat on the plane

was at the wing seat

at first i didnt realize

until i looked at my pictures

of me in the plane heading to the bahamas

and of me in the plane heading home

[sand valley]

hey moh I have another 16gb of ram coming

[thin ivy]

Which one would you choose and why
Ping me if u respond