when you don't cache the info you grab from Steam and half your site breaks
#programming
past shuttle
want to add more stuff but idk what to add...
winter badge
shadow marsh
but... for what function 
ember canyon
u should link your hardware stuff to amazon partner links π
fervent axle
@shadow marsh @past shuttle a fake button named Team that change a dark theme into white theme π 
high sorrel
ouch
past shuttle
MP is an abbreviation of Multiplayer
some people are dumb and probably dont understand
cinder spear
it also stands for Military Police
past shuttle
your brain is damaged if you think that would stand for Military Polcie with "Truckers" infront of it :LUL:
cinder spear
(but CJ's point was that the official name of the project is "TruckersMP")
past shuttle
my nitr oran out?...
shadow marsh
Noice :3
ember canyon
Thanks.
high sorrel
This is a bit of a shot in the dark but does anybody know if some kind of API or file or something exists for getting all the names of cities in game? Yes, I do mean all of them. Promods, DLC, base game, etc.
I'm too lazy to find them all myself
cinder spear
they're all in the save files (with promods used) but don't know of an online API
(as far as I know)
worldly tulip
in traffic thingy yes
cinder spear
not in the cities API tho
high sorrel
Alrighty haha
Literally all I need is the cities and the country they're from π
trucky has so much stuff I might need to use xD
cinder spear
promods have a list in their changelog per country IIRC
trail vector
This should be all cities and countries in ETS2 + DLCs + ProMods (w/ Middle East Addon)
raw notch
@high sorrel exists but is undocumented :D cannot do now but today or tomorrow I will send you the endpoint
high sorrel
Ooo π
mossy cloud
You want it?
grim patrol
@ember canyon Wow
Awesome work mateβ
grim patrol
Woowww Really well done I have to say!
ember canyon
I just work wirth a program.
And I modify the arduino code for add few things like the capacitive button and led support.
Led is for blinkers.
high sorrel
@mossy cloud yeah I'll take a look if you're offering π
mossy cloud
Sure, I'll DM you π
high sorrel
thanks β€
lucid garden
whos a fivem developer?
high sorrel
I've just spent 2 hours playing a BTEC Sims game with networks and security
It was awful
raw notch
@mossy cloud why they seems Trucky data in some way? π
mossy cloud
?
raw notch
i mean, the locations list (a part the features columns) seems coming from Trucky Map
high sorrel
I'm going through it filling in the blanks for the promods ones, 12 down, 259 to go! 
at least 90% accurate π
unkempt hamlet
I did the parser from scs files several years ago
Can't find it though π
I used to use it to fill up a base for RusConvoys website
high sorrel
nicee
unkempt hamlet
strong quail
Finally time for WebDeving! π
Jesus - my last time when I was on GitHub is 23 days ago... π
shadow marsh
Im working today since 5 am - cuz RC is going today in private beta - and ive many to do 
but its easy lol
strong quail
I've needed to upgrade my phpMyAdmin, since package that Ubuntu 18.04 is outdated...
strong quail
@shadow marsh I've done that manually :P
Not by sudo apt upgrade
shadow marsh
ahh, okay 
north flax
This is pretty nice
https://golang.org/doc/go1.11#modules
The GOPATH and dependency management was one of Go's huge weak sides, and was generally awkward to work with
cinder spear
it's still somewhat awkward but a lot better
high sorrel
wooo updates
past shuttle
π
ember canyon
You can add a Twitch integration
So you can see the stream when you arrive in the website.
cinder spear
CSS is fun 
past shuttle
I need a better βAbout Meβ award winning description
lethal willow
notcied
ember canyon
New version of my dashboard.
I've added some hole if someone want to build something for it.
Corrected that thing.
That button is reversed
And it isn't normal.
prisma robin
Nice//
past shuttle
whats the best site to buy a domain? aswell as a website host?
unkempt hamlet
It goes down to advertisement, so I don't think will be a proper discussion.
cinder spear
can't recommend namecheap... they escalated a bug I reported to their high priority queue and it sat there for 2 years before being closed without explanation or fix
past shuttle
oof
jagged palm
Get a domain from godaddy and then get a vps from a hosting company or get a deal from fast commet
cinder spear
OVH has their .ovh TLD for just a few pounds a year
and it's otherwise my choice for it too
tidal zodiac
I would not recommend godaddy at all. Just really bad experiences with their domains like putting up the price of their domains each year cause the website is receiving more traffic and just slow support
north flax
I use https://www.gandi.net/en for my domains, and I'm pretty happy with them π
shadow marsh
as im a german, i use https://www.mc-host24.de/ π
its enough... and they have a webspace too π
unkempt hamlet
For VPS - Hetzner. Cheap and awesome.
raw notch
also Scaleway
shadow marsh
for VPS i use Contabo (as i need to look for the price too :/ )
cinder spear
scaleway is definitely is "you get what you pay for"
i.e. not very good quality service
raw notch
yeah, but get a vps for something like 10 euros month, with really few downtime is not so bad
north flax
You also got DigitalOcean, Vultr, Linode, etc for VPS'
cinder spear
had 2 servers with scaleway... took around 20 minutes to reboot a small linux instance
every time
raw notch
never had these issues, more for downtimes
cinder spear
just because they use network drives for those instances
unkempt hamlet
My 2.99 euro/mo VPS has never been down for 2 years
north flax
Ah yeah, the booting for my ARMv8 instance there is painfully slow
cinder spear
and fun fact: you can accidentally use iptables to lock the boot drive from the instance
north flax
And been down a couple of times, due to random failures
cinder spear
uptime was good, but occasionally you should reboot
unkempt hamlet
Yeah
raw notch
i have my dedicated in Kimsufi, a subsidiary of ovh
cinder spear
I have my dedi on SoYouStart, which is also part of OVH
raw notch
AWS is too expensive
cinder spear
I don't pay for the instance there π
cinder spear
perks of the trade
raw notch
one day i have to ask my CEO to put Trucky on our virtual infrastructure
unlimited powaaa
we just installed two DataCores, and they are great
cinder spear
$ uptime
22:53:12 up 1417 days
raw notch
well uptime is not network downtime π
cinder spear
true, it's had 2 network downtimes
1 was brief and related to routing to the IP (the VMs on the server didn't lose connectivity)
the other was when one of their switches responsible for my server blew up
that took a bit longer for them to fix
but overall 2 short downtimes in 4 years is not bad
mossy cloud
I use namecheap for domain, Cloudflare for DNS and never had an issue
high sorrel
I agree with the little nootin' waddlin' character there
unkempt hamlet
@past shuttle Hetzner, yes
ember canyon
I use freenom. Because I'm poor and I can't buy domainname.
My website is 100% free
high sorrel
I mean it works, it's just not always the best choice depending on what you need
past shuttle
gonna try get a .gg domain
cinder spear
one of the more expensive ones
lethal willow
SSDNodes is a good provider for VPS'
north raven
lethal willow
what's fake about it?
strong quail
Yay... I've sorted my English LP. π
Looks a lot better now.
Some pics.
Before (took from latest repo on GitHub, sorry for light theme 
)
After (took from latest build from dev)
BTW - We started learning Python on our "Basics of IT" classes.
However...
We had a massive problem. xD
Our professor sent us the books for Python 3, meanwhile PCs at our department not only have WinXP, but also Python 2. π
Moreover - contact with him in Polish isn't great, because he is from Ukraine... π
He speaks Polish, but... not that good... Sometimes he uses some words from Ukrainian. π
wise void
high sorrel
Arghhh they keep adding new cities and DLCs and my list is never up to date π
raw notch
if you use the Trucky API, yes :D @high sorrel
cinder spear
trucky api is nice, used it for my twitch chat location command
high sorrel
Haha yeah dow you never sent me that endpoint π
cinder spear
my 100% got ruined by OVH pressing the power button on my server and not telling me about it 
ember canyon
That's an oof
cinder spear
literally
ember canyon
sue for OCD issues
unkempt hamlet
"Oooh, 3v, screw that guy" 
ember canyon
this is a video game creation salon where for truckmp?
With my friends we will create a game a bit like Terraria
But we will change the characters to have no problem with developers terraria
high sorrel
I've never heard the phrase 'video game creation salon' before and I love it
ember canyon
xd
unkempt hamlet
Sandboxie went all free!!! https://www.sandboxie.com/
mossy cloud
Ooooh nice
dense wedge
Oh yez very nice
wise void
@tardy smelt Bonsoir, vous parler français je suppose ?
tardy smelt
I may be able to talk french but the rule state that we must talk in english unless we are in the #french channel @wise void
wise void
Oh, okay, could we chat in private message?
tardy smelt
What do you need?
wise void
I would like to tell you about a platform I'm developing, so I'd like to collaborate with TruckersMP
tardy smelt
Create a feedback ticket for project management:
https://truckersmp.com/feedback
cinder spear
https://r.3v.fi/tmp/tag-color.html to get that tag color just right
high sorrel
That's handy
past shuttle
@cinder spear gimme affiliate π
cinder spear
it's automatic
unkempt hamlet
Huh?
sage trellis
oh scheisse.. wrong chat
shadow marsh
xD
past shuttle
does anyone know how bootstrap modals are actually created?
tried creating open but it doesnt even pop up
<nav class="navbar sticky-top navbar-expand-sm bg-dark shadow">
<a class="navbar-brand" href="#">
<img src="img/favicon.png" alt="logo" style="width:30px;">
</a>
<form class="form-inline ">
<button class="btn btn-info mx-1 font-weight-bold text-uppercase" type="button"><i class="fa fa-truck"></i> TruckersMP Profile</button>
<button class="btn btn-success mx-1 font-weight-bold text-uppercase" type="button" data-toggle="modal" data-target="loginModal"><i class="fa fa-sign-in-alt"></i> Login</button>
<button class="btn btn-primary mx-1 font-weight-bold text-uppercase" type="button"><i class="fa fa-user"></i> Signup</button>
</form>
</nav>
<div class="modal" tabindex="-1" role="dialog">
<div class="modal-dialog" role="document">
<div class="modal-content">
<div class="modal-header">
<h5 class="modal-title">Login</h5>
<button type="button" class="close" data-dismiss="modal" aria-label="Close">
<span aria-hidden="true">×</span>
</button>
</div>
<div class="modal-body">
</div>
<div class="modal-footer">
<button type="button" class="btn btn-success">Login</button>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
here is the code if you are interested
trail vector
looking at the documentation, field data-target on your button needs a # in front of the target modal id, and the modal itself needs said id
high sorrel
That seems to make sense haha give it a shot
I am late as heck but yeah should work lol
arctic wave
How do you make a custom driver hub?
raw notch
with a lot of work
mossy cloud
^
tardy smelt
A lot of work and dedication 
kindred wind
pls add a scania longline
ember canyon
omg krille can you not
storm yarrow
Is it possible to post the feed of a Reddit user on your discord not a sub Reddit but the user
quick glen
Quite possible yeah. Reddit has an api that can be used to retreive submissions and comments done by a user.
storm yarrow
Do you need to host it ? Or can you use a webhook for it
ember canyon
Hey does anyone know how to make a application so i can change this to my vtc logo and my vtc name?
mossy cloud
That uses Discord RPC (Rich Presense)
You'll need to see the Discord Developers documentation
quick glen
@storm yarrow you would need to write your own implementation to query the Reddit api for new submissions which can then trigger either a discord webhook or make a bot send a message to the discord channel you want it at.
Personally I would write a discord bot to do it
I'm not aware of any pre-existing solutions to do this
@ember canyon take a look at VTRPC; https://github.com/VirtualTruckerRPC/Virtual-Trucker-Rich-Presence should be trivial to modify it to show custom vtc information
ember canyon
Someone already made it for me! Still thanks for your help β€οΈ
raw notch
guys, someone know a good cloud storage with api possibly with some free space?
cinder spear
For simple object storage with solid APIs I'd look at S3 or compatible offerings from other providers... AWS has a free tier for a year (Azure and GCP probably do too). I'm biased towards AWS though
But fwiw I use AWS S3 (and pay for it) personally for my small video clips
unkempt hamlet
I used to use AWS to push and store TMP evidences with ShareX
cinder spear
so far my bill is 10 cents a month, 12 with tax
unkempt hamlet
Mine is 0 (it is empty 
)
cinder spear
all of it is from bandwidth, not from storage itself
raw notch
bandwidth... mmmm
raw notch
i would to add a new feature to trucky but it's storage intensive
sincerely I wouldn't pay... or pay too much
cinder spear
what's the scale here? GBs? TBs? PBs?
quick glen
My laptop takes about 400 kb for a 1080p screenshot of my desktop, so with a terrabyte we're talking 2 and a half million screenshots here?
cinder spear
in the few TBs range it's probably cheapest to get like a large storage server from OVH or something like that and handle the API yourself
more than you can stick on a single server probably becomes cheaper and easier with object storage again...
could of course look at something like Google Drive too, but the API isn't going to be super good for the use case
quick glen
I'd personally start off by doing some number crunching to get an estimate of how much storage would acctually be needed, and the cost per image of the object storage vs a storage server. And then there's ofcourse the whole scalability to keep in mind if it turns out the feature blows up
cinder spear
honestly, object storage is probably the best option just because it's made for programmatic access to files
pricing comes out to be similar no matter what you do outside of free tier offerings or trial credits
and you can't really find completely free storage at that scale
quick glen
Benefit of AWS S3 is that you only really pay for what you use (if I'm not mistaken)
cinder spear
yeah, with intelligent tiering even more so, as it moves infrequently accessed files to colder, cheaper storage
raw notch
all good points
lethal willow
mystic ridge
https://shodan.io/store/member
$1 lifetime membership for Shodan, expires later today.
mystic ridge
Updated the link
cinder spear
neat!
mossy cloud
Already got mine, thanks!
cinder spear
They seem only support void themes though, which is unfortunate
mossy cloud
π
meager olive
Humble Bundle has some great deals again for e-books and video's for developers and other kinds of IT staff!
Just bought this, pretty good deal. https://www.humblebundle.com/books/cybersecurity-2019-packt-books?hmb_source=search_bar
raw notch
unkempt hamlet
high sorrel
So I've just found out about error 418 and it's brilliant π
pulsar jungle
PHP 7.4 has been released
https://www.php.net/archive/2019.php#2019-11-28-1
prisma robin
glass laurel
anyone knowing if it is necessary/good to git a .classpath and .project file for each github commit?
tall orchid
Hi
rugged copper
Super cool and light JS framework which is being worked on https://github.com/calebporzio/project-x
lucid frost
Quantum computing is going to change EVERYTHING.
How much faster is it than 01 again?
01010
u know
north flax
Depends what you'll be doing. Some operations will be better done with a quantum processors, others with a normal cpu.
cinder spear
it will and won't change everything both and neither at the same time with varying probabilities 
north flax
As much as quantum computers are good at things, scaling them is currently hard, and they come with some overhead
cinder spear
Firefox 71 released with subgrid support, which is quite useful https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLnFtK1LNu4
...but sadly
cinder spear
Today in Spot The Bug we look at this function that should return the list of values for the given key.
mossy cloud
Have you actually defined 'similarities'? You have it on your foreach and if, but it's not defined or referenced by global scope
cinder spear
adding an empty list to itself does nothing, and replacements is unused 
raw notch
lol adding the list to itself
unkempt hamlet
You better tell me what's wrong with this code
cinder spear
that it's elixir
mossy cloud
Yep, it should be TMPAPI technically as they're both acronyms π
lucid frost
What ya'll think about zero trust?
unkempt hamlet
Higher security means less usability. It should be a balance depends on how much of a security you need.
cinder spear
There's no reason high security can't also be convenient
unkempt hamlet
Convenient security is the security when you do nothing additional than you want to do.
raw notch
so never :D
unkempt hamlet
In this point of view, passwords are inconvenient too.
cinder spear
passwords are inconvenient and not very seecure
barren laurel
Wazup
cinder spear
mhm.. it vaguely makes sense
the issue is that people it still doesn't stop people from reusing passwords
they'll just memorize your generated one and reuse that elsewhere
opal arch
We should do that, too
cinder spear
and it does nothing against malicious inside actors who are able to just take the password and do things as another user
mossy cloud
It's not worth the yearly cost imo D:
VSCode is free and works, just doesn't give you the advanced features that PHPStorm does, and those features doesn't justify a monthly cost of that amount :/
unkempt hamlet
PHPStorm has a free EAP.
I am using it for years and didn't spend a single dollar on it.
pulsar jungle
I've used PhpStorm for over 2 years now (or maybe even more, I don't remember)
In the past I usually used the EAPs to code with, but a year ago I saw JetBrains where in the GitHub Education program so I got a license from there.
unkempt hamlet
I am not a student anymore, so my Education subscription got revoked π¦
ember canyon
L
high sorrel
I'll have mine for the next 3 years π
quartz moth
I use the student deal
cinder spear
Machine learning quiz.
A translator takes in nej., correctly detects it as Danish, and gives No. as English.
A translator takes in Nej., correctly detects it as Danish. What is the English output?
mossy cloud
So it becomes the Churchill dog xD
north flax
cinder spear
I think he inadvertently used the "classic VPS" on OVH instead of setting up a public cloud instance for the same price
would have solved the root pass being emailed instead of setting an ssh key for example
otherwise seems accurate for the ones I've tried
unkempt hamlet
cinder spear
unkempt hamlet
Yep, that happened.
ember canyon
@unkempt hamlet @opal arch Sorry for ping but I have a question. Is a way to be a game moderator? I'm mature, and active. Up to 10-11 hours/day
mossy cloud
@ember canyon They're not looking for GMs at the moment, but the place to look is at: https://truckersmp.com/recruitment
They'll announce when they're looking for more, and you can then submit an application there π
mossy cloud
np π
unkempt hamlet
high sorrel
No harm in little mistakes like that, but just so y'all know, developer chat is not a chat to talk to THE developers, it's a chat for developers to talk to other developers :))
ember canyon
Going to Debian 10
quartz moth
Unpopular opinion: I prefer windows to linux
It's because I have used windows my whole life and whilst linux is great it doesn't support all the things that I am familiar with
tardy smelt
What language are you using to develop?
ember canyon
I use windows cause I like it and I already have it lol
Also got it for free soo mmm
tardy smelt
So you're probably not developing anything π
quartz moth
I use python and php
But I mean as in daily tasks etc
Like using TMP 
That's probs why I wouldn't switch, or id dual boot
rugged copper
I find Mac OS to be the best for development
high sorrel
mac, that's an interesting choice
cinder spear
Linux all teh way
rugged copper
Unless Iβm writing c#, then I tend to use windows. However, most of the time Iβm just using PHP and Laravel so having a unix system works best
mossy cloud
I use PHP but I write to a linux server & source control so I do my work via FileZilla
rugged copper
If youβre using source control, what do you use FileZilla for? I canβt remember the last time I needed to use FTP
I can usually get away with ssh, git and auto deployment
unkempt hamlet
Exactly. FTP seems kinda redundant.
ember canyon
I prefer Linux. It have less critical bug than Windows
Like, I had to go yesterday with my father to one of his customer, because he can't print anything.
After 3hours of verify and testing we saw that was an Windows issue.
Because the printer doesn't work on wifi but on Ethernet
unkempt hamlet
I am using PhpStorm + Vagrant on Hyper-V for development. Works like a charm.
rugged copper
CJ which vagrant box you using?
unkempt hamlet
Homestead (since Laravel)
rugged copper
Yeah I thought that might be the case π
unkempt hamlet
But it is capable to hold any other frameworks and pure PHP as well
rugged copper
Yeah, I tend to use Valet being on Mac, but looking for a new solution for my PC, so might give it a go
unkempt hamlet
There is a Valet-ish experience on WSL, but it is not that streamlined.
rugged copper
I tried it a while back but seemed a bit buggy
unkempt hamlet
I've invested in WSL for PHP and it fails me. So now I am using WSL only for Node.js things.
rugged copper
Ah okay, that makes sense and like you said Homestead does the trick for most PHP applications
unkempt hamlet
Used to use something called Denwer back in the days, but Homestead is a way to go in this decade.
ember canyon
WSL is a nice "sandbox playarea"... but nothing u could use as a developer π
unkempt hamlet
I am using Redis off of it for Discord bots
ember canyon
ye i mean "bigger projects"... a discord bot is a small little "tool" i would say π
unkempt hamlet
I figured, yeah
One of WSL cons is an absence of systemd
So you will need to explicitly wake your services up after WSL init
It is not that convenient.
ember canyon
thats the reason why i do some more work before and use own containers also for smaller services like this... docker ftw π or nano servers using WinSrv2019
unkempt hamlet
Oh, I used to use Laradock before Homestead, even contributing in it.
But Windows 10 came in and Docker on Windows gets weird.
ember canyon
Docker is a dead horse imo... π
unkempt hamlet
Kubernetes ftw
It's funny how Vagrant CLI hides passwords in console (vargant in my case)
rugged copper
I currently use Laragon on windows but not a massive fan of it
unkempt hamlet
Homestead is more versatile and useful nowadays
rugged copper
Yeah definitely, I think I will give it a go later
mossy cloud
SFTP. Use it to write directly to the server
quartz moth
I'm not a a developer I'm just trying to improve my general coding skills by making my website and I use SFTP to connect and transfer files across
I imagine for a big project there are much better ways
But personally for my it works well for what I need to do
unkempt hamlet
I am using git for that. That way you learn Git very fast.
quartz moth
Ahh ok I'll have a look into that
rugged copper
@mossy cloud what are you writing directly to the server? Are you editing files which are in source control?
mossy cloud
Writing into files directly on the server yes then uploding to git
rugged copper
So your not making the changes on your local machine, pushing to git and pulling to server?
high sorrel
I don't even remember how to use git, it's been so long π
mossy cloud
Not at the moment Ratcho as the first release isnt live yet
So I'm using Git more of a backup at the moment
ember canyon
Working on the Bios.
rugged copper
I would recommend using it from the start, just makes your life easier π
tardy smelt
First time I'm hearing this xD At this point you should just ssh into the server and vim to your file at this point 
At least with SSH you can use artisan command
raw notch
first time? π lol
tardy smelt
I feel like I'm going back 10 years by hearing this now xD
raw notch
i've seen this behaviour from professional developers on productio environment π
not so back in the time, less than 10
tardy smelt
I rather use SSH than FTP for anything.
I write code local push it to git and than pull it on the server π
raw notch
it's how things should work, or with another CI way
tardy smelt
Also where I work now they setup their "dev" env on a server and use automatic upload for FTP. I hate it so much lol
raw notch
we use local IIS configured with powershell and common dev SQL server
but in another place i worked, we had virtual machines on vmware cluster, not using local machine
and it's quite good, because devs have the same environment, instead of working on a client machine, you have the same OS of production env (windows server 2012 etc etc)
the whole machine is backed up and you can work remotely without your workstation
it's enough a RDP
cinder spear
me: merge to master
CI: runs integration tests -> deploys to canary -> waits an hour -> deploys to prod, cancels at any point if anything fails or metrics alarm
mossy cloud
Thing is, it works for me xD And I'm the only dev on my project so I don't have to worry about doing things "the right way" so much π
It may be good practice but I'd like to get this code written π
rugged copper
Is it a hobby or something you would like todo as a job?
mossy cloud
I'd like to make a job from it yes, but I wont earn enough money from Plasma to just do that
I'd have to go into proper PHP development work as well sadly
rugged copper
So in that case, I would recommend following the standards because you will probably use Plasma as an example of your work. If you can show that you are following the standards, youβre more likely to get a job. Youβll also find it easier going in to a job because youβll have been using those standards. Iβm not trying to have a dig, promise π just trying to give some helpful tips
mossy cloud
No that's great, thanks :)
ember canyon
What's the best program to make an bootabke usb
?
Because, I've used Rufus for flash Debian into my USB.
I need to disable Windows to access to my USB.
(Bios)$
unkempt hamlet
It is your BIOS problem
ember canyon
When I run the graphics installer nothing work. And on my VM everything is good.
My Bios run fine. Windows is the problem
My bios s made for Linux.
That the problem
mystic ridge
Your Windows install is likely UEFI based, and your USB key is setup for a CSM install
tardy gale
hi my name is kayla and i coded dyno with no programming language-
unkempt hamlet
ember canyon
I love that
teal cliff
Does anyone know anything that can learn me to do basic scripting for discord bots?
I canβt script well on bots
unkempt hamlet
YouTube is your best friend
opal arch
depends what scripting languages you know
creating a Discord bot is easy, you are just using an API of a library
ember canyon
"Developing" Discord Bots is more like creating Alexa Skills these days.... its a point&click adventure π
unkempt hamlet
Um, I don't think so
meager spoke
ember canyon
Well there are many drag and drop editors available to reali(s|z)e simple Bots with some functions and also logic in them.
sure if you need something special u need to script it yourself
ember canyon
@teal cliff. There so many tutorial execpt "TheSourceCode" who give outdated code.
arctic mica
Highly depends on which language you wanna use tbh
unkempt hamlet
arctic mica
Why not? I have learned it myself by watching other people.
last spindle
https://discordjs.guide/ is your best friend
I learned it by someone gave me his bot and i expanded it and used this site
I dont like yt for coding tutorials xd sorryyy
arctic mica
Ye of course that is your best friend but you still need to know how to do stuff around that
unkempt hamlet
Well, it doesn't help you if you don't know how to actually code.
last spindle
Well
Ok
For JavaScript basics you can mayyyybeee watch a few videos
YouTube doesnt have videos for everything
arctic mica
Of course it doesn't but you can learn a lot from them. Once you have watched some you should be able to do it yourself with the docs.
unkempt hamlet
It kinda did. Depends on what you're searching for.
raw notch
learn to develop watching YouTube? oof...
unkempt hamlet
Watching alongside coding. What's wrong?
tidal zodiac
Thatβs how I started with Laravel... some YouTube video all those years ago. I can be a great starting point to get the basics of something so you know where to go from there
cinder spear
Nothing inherently wrong with learning from youtube
opal arch
Especially Laravel can be learnt from Laracasts
ember canyon
That how I started in python
Blink a led and now using python for start my JS bot.
π
I just need to push on a button
fervent axle
YouTube is useful to learn about starting something and stackoverflow to understand what's wrong with all errors that I've written in my part of code π
rugged copper
For those of you who use the TruckersMP PHP API Client, a new major version was released today π https://forum.truckersmp.com/index.php?/topic/91673-truckersmp-api-client-for-php/
rugged copper
How do you get the data though? This is basically a wrapper for calling the API
cinder spear
...json is a data model, PHP is a scripting language... They're not interchangeable parts of a system, they do a different job
raw notch
Xmas for developers π
unkempt hamlet
ikr
raw notch
about 800
90% all quick calls to other functions, is the background controller of the overlay
rugged copper
Ah
unkempt hamlet
yeah, Xmas for developers
rugged copper
CJ what language is that?
rugged copper
Ah
rotund lance
unkempt hamlet
Huh?
tardy gale
Oh?
last spindle
Waaaa?
mossy cloud
noot?
unkempt hamlet
Wrap it up.
north flax
@unkempt hamlet Using Elixir for TMP Helper? :p
unkempt hamlet
Yeah, it would be Elixir (Phoenix) + Vue.js
north flax
Ah, neat π
unkempt hamlet
Elixir is mind-blowing, honestly. In all ways.
north flax
I looked at it a while ago, but never got around to using it that much
Using a bunch of Python and some Kotlin nowadays though, along with Typescript and C# at work
unkempt hamlet
Oh, I wish I can learn Kotlin. Web is in my brain cells nowadays, can't do nothing.
north flax
Have you done any Java? :p
unkempt hamlet
Nope, and don't wanna.
north flax
Alright. If you had done, you'd have a decent foundation to just use it since it's based on the java ecosystem
But honestly, when you get started it's quite nice. It takes some concepts you'll be a bit used to from Elixir and functional languages too, like immutability
Non-nullable types are also nice :3
Another new thing is that you can make pretty good domain specific languages, but other than that, most of the concepts aren't that special :p
unkempt hamlet
Ah, I am far away from making DSLs π
unkempt hamlet
Exactly
north flax
Here's an example of a database query using a kotlin DSL :p
DBBid.find {
(DBBids.artpieceId eq artpiece.id) and
(DBBids.valid eq true)
}.maxBy { it.bid }
DBBid is a class for the bid, DBBids is the table definition
Or how you can just use get("path/here") { call.respond("Hello world" } to defined a route with ktor, a http server and client library :3
unkempt hamlet
Btw, pattern matching is The concept. I like it so much.
north flax
It's nice, yeah :p
unkempt hamlet
@doc """
Lookup player information
"""
@spec player(integer) :: TmpApi.Player.t()
def player(id) do
case makeRequest("player", id) do
{ :error, _error_code, message } -> raise message
response -> TmpApi.Player.new(response)
end
end
Another example. It was painful to develop in the brain. Go figure.
def makeRequest(url, params \\ nil) do
finalUrl = "#{url}"
finalParams = Keyword.merge([key: SteamApi.apiKey], params)
with { :commit, response } <- Cachex.fetch(
:cache,
finalUrl,
fn () ->
case get!(finalUrl, [], params: finalParams) do
{ :ok, response } -> response
end
end
) do
Cachex.expire(:cache, finalUrl, SteamApi.cacheTime)
response
else { :ok, response } -> response
end
end
I feel like in that specific case, an exception would have worked just as well π
unkempt hamlet
Yeah, but it is +3 lines of code π
north flax
Define an TmpApiException, and throw it in makeRequest if there is an error :p
(You can also go full Rust, and not use exceptions, if you feel like it) π
unkempt hamlet
I don't think so π€£
north flax
Or do like Go, and return a (error, result) tuple π
cinder spear
...and error checking becomes 60% of the LoC https://github.com/3ventic/twitch-avatar-redir/blob/master/main.go
ocean mural
Looks like we got some genies here ;))
north flax
Yep, that's my issue with Go
For every call that can fail, you'll need to add at least 2 lines to check for errors
Compiling to standalone binaries is nice, and their handling of goroutines and garbage collection is nice though
cinder spear
and it's super easy for anyone familiar with any language to read
since there's no complex constructs
unkempt hamlet
I agree
cinder spear
unlike elixir.. I have no idea what those code snippets actually do (other than some caching and request/response)
unkempt hamlet
Well, it's pretty much straightforward, just with some weird structure
cinder spear
yeah, it's just the syntax
tardy gale
So much smarties here oh my god
north flax
But back on topic, most people perceived as smart have just learned or done something different than you have π
We don't know everything, but we have our areas of interest we've learned a bunch about
And that we spend time going deeper into
tardy gale
to be honest, iβm really interested in coding or whatever you guys do, i donβt know much because iβm so new to it but yeye
raw notch
there are so many resources to start from, just pick a language. take an idea you have and try to realize it.
unkempt hamlet
quartz moth
Tbh I'm relatively new to coding so just trying to get a hang of it all e.g PHP SQL and Python so Im probably not doing things totally "correct" like using github but for the moment the way I do it works fine for me and I will of course make mistakes and hopefully learn from them
I just wonder how different it will be coding in a professional environment which is what I want to go into compared to home projects where I do things "my way"
unkempt hamlet
It depends on actual environment in place
quartz moth
Wdym CJ, do you mean as in the professional environment and how different it is to a home project?
unkempt hamlet
In home projects, you can do whatever you want to feel comfortable. In professional projects, you should adapt to standards and procedures.
quartz moth
Ahh ok
mossy cloud
I'd recommend using GitLab anyway, as then you have an extra backup should things go wrong
unkempt hamlet
Yeah, Gitlab is a place-to-go for personal projects
quartz moth
Ahh ok I'll have a look into that
Im guessing there's quite a lot of integration with IDEs
mossy cloud
GitLab is so much better than GitHub imo. Can have unlimited private projects and for teams as well
So useful for Plasma
unkempt hamlet
If you feeling out of knowledge of Git, you can start with just a folder in a cloud (i.e. OneDrive)
mossy cloud
Yes, VSCode and PHPStorm have good integrations with Git
unkempt hamlet
But learning Git is needed anyways.
mossy cloud
I use PHP Storm fully now, used to use VSCode
quartz moth
Ok, that's something I definitely need to learn since I have never really used it
Yeah I use PHP storm since they do a good deal for students
unkempt hamlet
Sublime Text 2/3 -> VSCode -> PhpStorm
unkempt hamlet
Atom was the reason I didn't jump on VS Code early on
quartz moth
I have atom installed and use it for like config editing
unkempt hamlet
It feels way more slower than native ST (ofc)
quartz moth
Like game configs etc
mossy cloud
VSCode is good for that π
What games do you config @quartz moth ?
My main one is Minecraft as Plasma has about 6 MC servers on one network π
It's annoying when it comes to updating plugin time xD
unkempt hamlet
CI ftw
quartz moth
Well I don't config games, I meant as in like editing simple values such as ETS2 config
But I recently got a Raspberry pi for discord bot hosting
Cause I thought it would be a good idea
Not sure if it has paid off yet tho
unkempt hamlet
There are many other free places to host your bot - Heroku Personal, AWS EC2 free tier, Firebase, Glitch(?), etc.
If you feeling confident you can spend some money for cloud hosting. I am used to use Hetzner instance for my projects, 3 euros per month (incl. snapshots).
mossy cloud
Oh that's interesting, they're cheaper than OVH
unkempt hamlet
And Scaleway
mossy cloud
Might look into that as one of our VPS's is a mail server, so the cheaper I can get that the better (while at least keeping 2GB RAM)
quartz moth
Well I guess I've already made the investment now and I way as well use it xD
mossy cloud
Not bad with Scaleway there
I can't imagine needing much Bandwith for a mail server π
unkempt hamlet
I am feeling more confident with Hetzner though
mossy cloud
ouch
unkempt hamlet
Well, that's obvious
mossy cloud
Yeah, won't need it lol but just seeing how expensive it is lol
rugged copper
I tend to use digital ocean for ease. I use laravel forge to configure all my servers and it integrates with it perfectly
mossy cloud
I need to write a bash script actually that updates all my MC plugins but the issue is they sometimes have version numbers in the JAR so I don't want to edit the bash script each time a new JAR comes out
rugged copper
You should look into gitlab CI/CD
mossy cloud
Hmm, I will do thanks. I'll see if it affects plugin configs though (shouldn't do as it's normally just replacing a JAR file)
hollow topaz
unless you're selling hosted/managed servers, you don't want to be automatically updating plugins, it breaks compatibility sometimes, especially with sponge
mossy cloud
Well if there's something I can say to manually run the script its fine. Because I can do it manually on one server then if it works fine I can run the script on the rest of them
It just saves updating 6 servers manually
I'm also taking a look at Laracasts... and I'm kicking myself because its actually a LOT more simple than it looks
tardy smelt
Github is better for public repo and gitlab for private repo I would say
cinder spear
Using a cheap VPS as a mail server can often land you with an IP address that has a reputation for spam
Landing a lot of your mail in spam or outright declined
hollow topaz
Definitely, always spamhaus your assigned ip range
ember canyon
Depends,
mossy cloud
Already had words with MS about getting de-listed as we were already listed. We're fine now
tardy smelt
That's why I use Gmail Business thing for email. Otherwise I would always land in spam folder.
https://gsuite.google.com/intl/en_ca/pricing.html I have the Basic plan
ember canyon
And thats a great idea,
mossy cloud
$7.80 per user compared to Β£3 for unlimited users , aliases etc
tardy smelt
Yeah but than you get your email in the spam folder so what's the gain if your user doesn't receive the email?
mossy cloud
It's not going into Spam though?
It did when we first got it, but it's fine now π Goes into normal inbox and everything
ember canyon
kinda weird not to check the spam folder either way ngl
Seeing as that stuff happens all the timel
cinder spear
I check my spam maybe once a month
quartz moth
I hardly check it unless I'm expecting an email and it doesn't arrive
ember canyon
Some bad email etiquette ngl
tardy smelt
Yeah I never check Spam folder unless I've not receive an email I was supposed to receive. Outlook doesn't have good spam detection anyway. But I rather be safer than sorry since when I usually send email with that email they are pretty important and business related stuff π
rugged copper
Has anyone done much with serverless applications, something like AWS Lambda or Laravel Vapor?
cinder spear
I've done a few lambdas, but nothing I'd call advanced
rugged copper
Ah okay
mossy cloud
I've never seen an admin login that requires Google+
tardy gale
Google+? People still use that?
unkempt hamlet
No
ember canyon
I thought google+ shut down?... 0.o
quartz moth
Same tbh
tardy gale
and i oop-
unkempt hamlet
http://jdebp.info./FGA/web-fully-qualified-domain-name.html
mossy cloud
Yep, it interacts with ETS2, not TruckersMP so you're good π
ember canyon
Then it's good
unkempt hamlet
Good
ember canyon
good
mystic ridge
Iβve seen someone wire up an entire Scania dashboard here and use it with TMP :p
ember canyon
Wow 
mossy cloud
Heya. I'm new to and learning Laravel and passing data from a news table to a view in my controller, but I've noticed I haven't made use of my Model. What is the 'best practice' for this as I understand that logic = Model but it seems to work in the Controller?
unkempt hamlet
Check Eloquent in Laravel documentation
mossy cloud
ty
ember canyon
In two hours: Setup NodeJS, Apache2, mysql, phpmyadmin.
And transfer my bot into the new host
Started it
tardy smelt
Penguin you can check example here:
https://github.com/jean8mathieu/portfolio2.0
It uses Eloquent, Factory, Seeder and other thing. If someone want to improve it feel free π
rugged copper
Is there any particular reason you donβt use the API middleware for your βAPIβ routes? And use the api routes file?
unkempt hamlet
API routes/middlewares are for stateless calls.
rugged copper
Yeah I get that, but surely these api routes have the web state?
I may be wrong π
rugged copper
Fair enough
unkempt hamlet
If you want to make it Laravel-way, you can use Passport package with oAuth2
rugged copper
Yeah or API tokens
tardy smelt
It the new Laravel update the API routes stopped working for auth user and you're forced to use Passport for authentication.
The way I did the application is the auth user send post, put or delete request to the API base on the auth middleware and this stop working in the newer version so I just moved it to web instead π
If you want to improve it feel free to contribute π
rugged copper
Ah okay, makes sense
tardy smelt
For the auth were you using the Laravel built in one?
mossy cloud
Using the laravel\ui package π
mossy cloud
@tardy smelt In Laravel 6 the php artisan make:auth command has been removed so now the ui package is required
Doesn't help much as now I have a node_modules folder the size of St Paul's cathedral π
mossy cloud
What about the node_modules folder?
unkempt hamlet
I meant that folder
mossy cloud
Yeah it's okay, but I'm the kind of person that wants to keep files and projects as light as possible
cinder spear
it's fine, my npm audit shows literally 1.2 million packages 
mossy cloud
Stupid question but why wouldn't I push my node_modules if they're important to the project?
As they contain .JS files won't that cause things not to work? (in the auth views/routes)
cinder spear
you usually don't want node_modules in the git repo, but have a caching npm server in the internal network keeping the packages safe for CI/production
it bloats the git history just like it bloats the directory
the relevant diff is the one in package.lock
unkempt hamlet
You do npm prod and it bundles the things
north flax
It's supposed to be reproducible based on package.json and package.lock/yarn.lock
cinder spear
and yeah, you should be building a prod bundle to run on prod, not npm running it
mossy cloud
Alright, thanks π
cinder spear
and you use a caching npm of your own to avoid https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/23/npm_left_pad_chaos/
ember canyon
xD
quartz moth
Im new to web development. Would people recommend I improve my skills with pure php such as making my own authentication systems or learn laravel as well?
Because at the moment Im just using PHP
As well as html, css, js of course
unkempt hamlet
Well, to improve your skill you need to do a project.
quartz moth
Yeah Im working on my own website, Im thinking of a system for users to upload images
Ik it sounds kinda simple, however its something to aim to get working
Users can currently, sign up, login and change account settings e.g email password username
unkempt hamlet
With Laravel, uploading images is not a hard thing.
quartz moth
So would you recommend that I try and learn laravel for my project or get used to using php?
unkempt hamlet
Well, Laravel is written on PHP, so you will eventually learn both.
quartz moth
When you started developing CJ, did you start off with just PHP or learn Laravel?
unkempt hamlet
Well, that way depends on the human itself. I can do pure PHP easily as well as learning new language.
It is personal. If you think that learning Laravel makes your skills build up faster, it is way to go. You will make to pure PHP part eventually.
quartz moth
Ok thank you CJ, it's something I'll start looking into more
unkempt hamlet
It is not the right question.
unkempt hamlet
Account creation is not a magic.
unkempt hamlet
Start with the learning how PHP works.
last spindle
e.e
i wish i could buuuuuuuut
i have no clue where to start
like ofc reading those docs
unkempt hamlet
quartz moth
If you are trying to insert a user @last spindle here is also a good guide https://www.w3schools.com/php/php_mysql_insert.asp
xD
unkempt hamlet
Well, the point with programming languages IS that you don't need to do it by hand.
last spindle
ik
unkempt hamlet
So, maybe you have your question wrong.
mossy cloud
@last spindle What you screenshotted there was MySQL, which is a database engine. PHP is not related to MySQL but they can be used together in what is called a 'stack'
So most websites use the LAMP stack, which is Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP
Apache is the Web Server
My most helpful resource was W3Schools, as I found that to be more useful than the PHP Docs :)
lethal willow
unkempt hamlet
ocean mural
What is the best Language i should learn next?
serene trout
How do I create a trailer skin in Mod Studios 2 because the walls, front, and doors are all separate files?
echo scaffold
How do i get stream role
last spindle
@ocean mural well what did you learn yet
And you actually donβt learn something you wonβt need
Because you wouldnβt be able to try what you learnt
unkempt hamlet
There is NO best language.
quartz moth
True, it depends on what you've already learnt and what you plan to accomplish
last spindle
Right
serene trout
I need some help with skinning ATS and ETS2 Trailers
mystic ridge
ember canyon
My website have finally a Discord Auth
last spindle
Well, show us a pic
regal crystal
Hello, Developers
last spindle
hi
worldly pine
Hey guys, I'm in the middle of doing a Java project parsing some Json into objects. I've got it working to an extent however, I have noticed that it's not coming in the same order as what the json file displays?
I should also mention that I'm relatively new to java!
try {
URL jsonUrl = new URL(url);
BufferedReader input = new BufferedReader(new InputStreamReader(jsonUrl.openStream()));
String inputLine;
JSONArray result = new JSONArray();
while ((inputLine = input.readLine()) != null) {
Object obj = parser.parse(inputLine);
JSONArray TrainList = (JSONArray) obj;
result.addAll(TrainList);
}
//Read JSON API
System.out.println(result);
//Iterate over trainlist array
result.forEach(stop -> parseNameObject( ( JSONObject) stop) );
} catch (Exception e) {
e.printStackTrace();
}
}
private static void parseNameObject(JSONObject Trains)
{
//Get Stop object within list
JSONArray stopObject = (JSONArray) Trains.get("stops");
JSONObject name = (JSONObject) stopObject.get(0);
if (name != null) {
System.out.println(name.toString());
}
I don't know where I'm going wrong!
cinder spear
he said Java
winged schooner
my bad
floral mist
@worldly pine If it doesn't come in the order as in the json file, how does it appear? Is it sorted by name? is it in reversed order?
worldly pine
@floral mist the way the json file goes is... name, arrival, depart. For some reason unknown to me, my program outputs arrival, name, depart.
tardy smelt
If you request JSON from multiple url. It will order base on the speed the server respond in. So some request the server might respond faster than the other one.
quick glen
@worldly pine As per http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7159.txt only the orders of elements in a JSON array are ordered, whilst the orders of elements a JSON object has may or may not be preserved. That depends on the implementation.
And afaik, thats how the implementation in java goes too.
unkempt hamlet
Also, order of elements in associative arrays doesn't matter since you're getting the value by the key.
cinder spear
reading a json file line-by-line almost certainly isn't what you want to do when using a json parser from a library, but idk java that well
quick glen
So its not you doing something wrong, its simply working as intended! :)
But in your parseNameObject function I notice you are using an index to access the object's element. Because the order of elements in a JSON object is not preserved, thats a no-go. You should access it by its key.
worldly pine
Aaaah that makes much more sense, java is completely new to me so just using this as a learning curve! π
quick glen
I do have to say the way you implented the "reading of the API" is a bit.. strange.. but it gets the job done! JSON is only represented as multi-line to make it easier on our human eyes, but to the computer its just one line. So having support for multiple lines isnt necesarry at all
worldly pine
Aaah okay, Just trying to self teach at the moment, but thanks for everyone's feedback, it's much appreciated!
cinder spear
there are some use-cases where line-by-line json appears (json-based log files for example)
raw notch
prettyprint
cinder spear
breaks json to multiple lines yes, but it's not complete json per line
quick glen
yeah, there's always a million ways to do and implement things xD
worldly pine
I mean, there's no wrong way of doing something, just a more efficient path.
cinder spear
oh there are wrong ways
worldly pine
I guess I didn't consider stuff like that haha
cinder spear
As an extreme example, allow me to introduce you to https://xkcd.com/221/
quick glen
Java was notorious for memory leaks back in the day, but nowadays you kinda have to try (or not know what you are doing at all) to make it have one
cinder spear
quick glen
But with the code you had there Fezz. Apart from the .get(0); theres nothing wrong about it! Quite fine for someone relatively new to java π
raw notch
oh let's reinvent the wheel!
worldly pine
Aaah okay, It was the only way I could get a decent result
quick glen
Like, its not wrong to use .get(0) at all, but because the order of elements in a JSONObject isnt preserved its kinda up to chance which element you get.
worldly pine
Aaaah I get what you're going with that
unkempt hamlet
Twitter
quartz moth
I believe Krashnz is @prisma robin
cinder spear
SHA-1 is dead https://sha-mbles.github.io/
north flax
unkempt hamlet
mossy cloud
quartz moth
Oof
Perks of being a student
You gonna carry on paying @unkempt hamlet or look for another product?
unkempt hamlet
I will wait for another EAP round.
quartz moth
Ahh ok
unkempt hamlet
mossy cloud
I'm okay for a while on PHPStorm xD
quartz moth
Im still a student :p
mossy cloud
You can get PHP Storm for free then @quartz moth π
Just use your Educational email address
quartz moth
Yeah I use it xD
mossy cloud
Ah nice π
quartz moth
π
mossy cloud
ember canyon
:d
pulsar jungle
My PHPStorm edu license expires on the 5th of December 2020 so it's a bit left.
tardy smelt
I still have a student license even tho I've not been in college for 4 years ish now xD 
grave palm
What was updated just now?π₯³
unkempt hamlet
Internal changes
unkempt hamlet
I used to use Iosevka for that purpose, but this font seems more basic.
quartz moth
I just use phpstom's default 
unkempt hamlet
It is a Consolas iirc (up to 2019.3.2)
ember canyon
Truck dashboard... My new PCB Version
cinder spear
firacode ftw
ember canyon
- My pcb was this. π
For everyone who want to have the schema. I can even send it.
unkempt hamlet
You can show your progress in a forum post π
ember canyon
I'll make one since my first time.
With this one.
It was my first arduino project.
unkempt hamlet
I have my Arduino too, can't decide what to do with it yet.
ember canyon
If you want, you can make a meteo satellite with a little receptor in 2.4ghz.
unkempt hamlet
Nah
ember canyon
Ok , but I can't send it in space
It still need a USB to recharge the battery.
Does someone know good Solar Panel in 5v ?
ember canyon
ember canyon
Or a multimeter ?
tardy gale
yuh
last spindle
Noice
harsh glacier
Multimeter better than iPod 
mossy cloud
Now installed, Server Management for Minecraft π
Each on it's own docker container π
But also allows us to manage stuff like discord bots and CSGO
north flax
Premade thing, self made, or combination? π
Guessing the first, really. I don't keep track of what minecraft server admin systems exist though :3
mossy cloud
Yeah, using https://pterodactyl.io/ π
cinder spear
mine are just good old systemd units... UI looks neat
mossy cloud
Well I normally use screen and just manage it in SSH but I'd rather not give team members SSH access xD
And it means I don't need to be bothered for so much if they can manage the servers themselves π
Because each server runs on it's own docker container it provides users with SFTP access to that server, so they can edit server files without destroying (or being able to access) anything else on that server
Useful feature really π
thick hatch
Ptero is great
strong quail
Hi bois.
Woah... That is quite some time from my last message here. π
Idk why I can't use https://fb.me format instead of https://facebook.com while setting my profile on 
's site.
It goes to same site, however it's a bit strange that I can't use the shortlink.
Translation from Polish "Adjust to format" which is the url you are posting below the text input.
strong quail
You're welcome. π
quartz moth
Look at this amazingly responsive design 
unkempt hamlet
prisma robin
π
tardy smelt
π―
prisma robin
glossy granite
arctic mica
ye a really messy desk 
ember canyon
lol
ember canyon
@arctic mica. It isn't.
thick flower
For me, the messy desk isnβt the problem. Itβs the messy desktop that is
ember canyon
I got an APU problem
So when I use my virtual engine to 100%. My lcd screen shutdown
Now it's good
But still not working how I want
But still. It isn't a mess. I make it clean before to take the pic
ember canyon
And here it's the new blinkers and Lights system
lethal willow
outer ice
Bastiti what are you trying to do (just curios cant really offer any support :P)
unkempt hamlet
Tinkerwell is kinda not logical.
You have so many choices, but you rather pay money for THAT? It doesn't even have a quote-on-quote environment, so it is just a dumb PHP shell
quartz moth
Oof
mystic ridge
A true Redditor is their habitat, doesn't read much about it but it looks cool anyway 
lethal willow
TRUE
unkempt hamlet
Um, you can say it's an ETS2 for dashboard
cinder spear
made this public for anyone interested https://github.com/3ventic/verbose-redirect
mystic ridge
In HTML?
<a href="#link">Text</a>
limber tide
yes forgot it but thanks xd
quartz moth
π
nova goblet
opal arch
How is your message connected with this channel at all?
shadow marsh
That's, what I'm asking too.
Anyway, I want to begin with website designing/coding (HTML, PHP, etc.) - what can the Webdevs tell me :3 (What do I need, etc.) π
mossy cloud
@shadow marsh Do you have a Windows or Mac PC?
shadow marsh
Windows
mossy cloud
I'd recommend you download a program called Laragon. That will install Apache, MySQL and PHP
You can then use that to get started, as it creates a web server on your local PC
shadow marsh
I already have a local webserver (debian 9 with MySQL, Apache & PHP ) π
mossy cloud
Awesome!
shadow marsh
thats the reqierements, I know - but - I wanted to know, what do I need as IDE ex. Eclipse π
mossy cloud
I would recommend PHPStorm but if you can't afford that I'd recommend VS Code
mossy cloud
Yeah, always go latest :)
quartz moth
If you're completely new I found w3schools to be more helpful than the php docs @shadow marsh
In most cases
shadow marsh
yah, Im completely new - only know Java atm π
quartz moth
Then w3schools I found to be the most useful
But stackoverflow etc is a good place to start
shadow marsh
okay, thanks ^^