#Quality of Life+ Build/Mod

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torn sluice
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thanks thanks

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I'm updating my release page

full snow
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Doel was very easy

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Lotta guarding on Rose's part, really didn't want another Fruegel situation happening

torn sluice
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Should play with Frenzy Mode on

full snow
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Maybe after I win with this one

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I'll just keep going more and more deranged

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And the final final challenge is just

torn sluice
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😆

full snow
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Beating the game (optional) without any additions

torn sluice
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Frenzy Reticle off

full snow
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Only the first hit

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My run killer becomes Kongol 2

full snow
torn sluice
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Ok I finally got everything rounded up !

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Looking fresh !

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Look at that beautiful flawless on my first attempt for the frenzy gif

torn sluice
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Don't mind that

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I now wish I had reserved more messages at the top

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Somehow reached 4000 characters on the main message

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I have the most beautiful git readme in history

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Alright time for me to sleep

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way passed bedtime over here

full snow
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Im gonna die :(

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Despirited IRL

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😔

charred girder
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Nah, that just means you can't Dragoon.

full snow
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I must goon!

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:(

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I cannot goon

torn sluice
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nothing suspicious here

charred girder
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Uh huh.

full snow
full snow
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Haschel got No Combatted by Mappi that piece of

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Smoge

torn sluice
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After I warned you the other night about forgetting?

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smh

full snow
torn sluice
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Just takes one time apparently

full snow
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Oh well

torn sluice
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I wouldn't know

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You can test though

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Just need to open the combat debug and murder him

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make he's hp/max hp like 10 and guard to see if it procs his invis phase

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then if not hit him for 10 and see what happens

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there's a world where they hardcoded the hp value he has to be under to proc the phase instead of %

full snow
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Gotcha gotcha >:)

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I'll do that now

torn sluice
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Heads up for anyone using this build. Fixed a couple minor issues in 1.15.2.

full snow
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You can just kill Mappi!

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I did it organically cause I forgot the bind for debug

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He will go invisible but not come back, he just dies and leaves you alone

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So I'm guessing his annoying invis phase is turn based

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Good to know for my future runs

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Anywhos, now to die on Lenus 1

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I died to Lenus 1

hexed merlin
full snow
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But yeah :)

hexed merlin
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? hm.. i am confused. are you saying i can have it? how do i enable it?

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is it part of irongoon?

full snow
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Go into Options > Addition > Configure > Gameplay Enhancements

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It's a fork

torn sluice
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You're one level too high Nidium

full snow
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Ahh

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Dangit

torn sluice
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it's almost like there's an entire guide and How To Install section

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#1307995361918586911 message

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that being said idk if you're getting the same shit but discord STRUGGLES going to the actual top message

full snow
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Yeah, is there anyway to pin the very first message?

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Should we ask Drew?

torn sluice
torn sluice
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It's a Discord issue

full snow
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Fair nuf

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I was explaining stuff for something they didn't even install yet

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I'm very silly

torn sluice
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So it goes

full snow
hexed merlin
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sorry guys. i didnt see it XD

full snow
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I turned on the Gameplay Enhancements for my new GoonLocke
Even though it is good, it leaves cool and potential clutch moments of landing perfect additions when I need them for that little kick of extra damage

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@hexed merlin You got it!!!!

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I can tell cause of the Discord Rich Presence 😎

torn sluice
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Haha that's funny

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Now we spy on them

full snow
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We love finding a use fo Detonate Rock!!!!

torn sluice
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To sell it and make gold?

full snow
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Beat the Commander who makes the dupes

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It doesn't actually kill though if the others are still up

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You have to hit him after you deal damage with detonate rock to end the fight

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My Volcano's on 66/80 on Kongol

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No encounters + avoiding Hellena Wardens

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I love Gameplay Enhancements

torn sluice
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It's particularly efficient with low level additions

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and then you never see it later on

full snow
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I'll make it happen on Madness Hero

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Just you wait

torn sluice
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Do you think you're getting too much damage out of leveling the addition quicker?

full snow
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No, I still think Kongol served a challenge, the damage boost isn't actually too crazy

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even with a level 4 Volcano, Lavitz was approaching the same damage with a Level 1 Spinning Cane

torn sluice
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If it feels satisfying/rewarding then it's probably a good thing

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we can tweak difficulty in other ways

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I'm assuming you noticed the bigger/flashing damage number when you flawless

full snow
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I have a very

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Yes

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Kinda flickery?

torn sluice
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looks good?

full snow
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Not in a bad way

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It was very noticeable the first time I landed it

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Looks good

torn sluice
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I just wanted to highlight the moment a little more

full snow
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What are your thoughts on increasing the SP gain from the addition if it's flawless?

torn sluice
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sell it through other methods other than the flawless text

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cuz if you don't have that on then you wouldn't know

torn sluice
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I'd have to look at the code

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It's a little less straight forward because you're getting SP for it before the combo ends

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but I guess the last SP gain could consider it and be bigger

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How much are we talking

full snow
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50% increase on flawless

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I'd also think on balancing this maybe seperately to having them all already implemented

torn sluice
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50% more!?

full snow
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Idk if you can make the seperate parts of the Flawless system (addition progress and damage bonus)

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err like

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Toggleable*

torn sluice
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On the total or on the last SP gain

torn sluice
full snow
torn sluice
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I'll think about it ablobglarezoom

full snow
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I can understand the

torn sluice
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It sounds fun so I'll probably do it if I can

full snow
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Yeah

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Aw hell yeah

torn sluice
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I'll mess with the numbers

full snow
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Me when you're cool:

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Idk

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Already in progress

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I'm simply different

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Flawless Rod Typhoon with 3rd hit Countered

torn sluice
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Still playing with the reticle I see

full snow
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Reticleless is like

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If you play STS

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It's about an A19 difficulty spike

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It will be genuinely hard to get used to it

torn sluice
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I think less than you think

full snow
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I tried it for a bit on base SC and it sucked

torn sluice
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Yes because they're not made to be reticleless

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the timings are a bit off with visuals/audio cues

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That's why yours truly has a setting you can enable where it adjusts every hit of every addition for it

full snow
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alrighty fine I'm gonna try it

torn sluice
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and yes yours truly spent countless hours doing the same additions over and over and over and over until every hit was (more) accurate

full snow
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Another suggestion for a QoL

torn sluice
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If I remember I did like 3 or 4 passes on every addition because there was a new understanding of the timings and I needed to re-adjust everything again

full snow
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Is there a way you could implement a way to skip/mute a Dragoon Magic after its been cast?

torn sluice
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I think my answer will be Turbo Mode

full snow
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Some Magic like Flameshot, Astral Drain, All of Shana/Miranda's have long lasting sound effects that do not go away during speed up

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Err

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Retain the same speed of audio during speedup

torn sluice
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There's a world where #1 that's impossible #2 disabling it would crash the game because it's expected to play

full snow
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Hrmm

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Fair enough then

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I'll have to deal with it

torn sluice
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Yeah I wish the sound was sped up too

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but I do get the problem

full snow
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My character audio turned off

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I'm cooked

torn sluice
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I'll try to see if there's anything I can do but I have low hopes on that one

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well there you go you fixed your problem

full snow
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I CANT HEAR MY ADDITIONS CryBye

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(And Magic plays through character audio being off)

torn sluice
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🤣

full snow
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(Nerd)

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(Put me in the Demon's Gate)

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Lavitz is dead

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On fucking

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Virage

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Virage 1

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This run's over

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it isn't over but

torn sluice
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Isnt that the second one?

full snow
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sadge

torn sluice
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first one is lava no?

full snow
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Nah I started over cause I wiped on Lenus

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Yeah

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I'm on lava one

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He got beamed and couldn't live the second one through Guard

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I was fairly reckless in the first place

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I got punished

torn sluice
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ah yeah I guess the steam thumbnail threw me off

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it looks like not so much lava

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It's ok he dies anyway

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spoilers

full snow
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But that means no Albert :(

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No Rose Storm

torn sluice
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It's a sign

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You got this

full snow
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I think lavitz's death overleveled Dart and Rose from being the two left alive

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And Firebird got

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Destroyed

torn sluice
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Watch out there's a grasshopper on your screen

full snow
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FELLAS

hexed merlin
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Wat

full snow
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Is Bandit's Ring off Drake a rare drop?

hexed merlin
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O.o umm

full snow
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30%

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Still

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Nuts

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My Dart is insane til Haschel joins
Then he'll be insane

charred girder
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???

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ah, yep 30%.

plucky wagon
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the more i see of this mod, the sadder I am knwoing I cant run it 😭

plucky wagon
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something something something Java doesnt work on my old ass crappy laptp

full snow
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Ahh shit right, I forgot

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mb

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Damn shame

plucky wagon
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it is, it very much is

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I was looking so forward to this great mod, and getting to replay the game again with it

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genuenly, the mod looks AMAZING

torn sluice
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wait til you see what I'm working on

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Also I'm sure there's a way if you try hard enough

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I wish I could help though

ornate estuary
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@plucky wagon I just dm'd you something to try

full snow
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ME NEED TO KNOW

full snow
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@torn sluice Please let me know as soon as you update the fork to have turn order

That might just actually be peak

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I cannot wait

torn sluice
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Lmao

full snow
torn sluice
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You might never get a ping

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I'll let you know when the other thing Im working on is ready though

full snow
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Wait Sen are you a tester?

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Or like can you look in the channel?

torn sluice
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Norh

full snow
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New devbuild has turn order

torn sluice
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guessing Zyc got it working

full snow
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So I just meant if you could update it to the newest devbuild

ornate estuary
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I added it a couple hours ago

full snow
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I will be so happy

torn sluice
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Nice job

full snow
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Yes

torn sluice
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Yeah I can do that

full snow
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Thank you

torn sluice
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2 conflicts

ornate estuary
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You will also get the in-battle options menu

torn sluice
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oh nice

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is the turn order the only option that was added

ornate estuary
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Yeah

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Though the options menu code has been overhauled to support showing up as a popup window

torn sluice
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wonder how my grouping is gonna fair

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ok uses a complete different render so it;s unnaccounted for

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we good

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I do get that though when I open the additions... sub options 🤣

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I'll fuck with it later

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Curious to know how you solved the turn order though

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Imma snoop around

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Does it have anything to do with the random seed?

ornate estuary
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Yes, I simulate several turns into the future

torn sluice
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ya ya

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That's what I wanted to do

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But my brain too smoll

ornate estuary
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Turn order will still change if the rng advances for any reason

torn sluice
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yep

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but at least it's something

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@full snow done

full snow
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Me when im in a "make my day" competition and my opponent is Sen

plucky wagon
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So like, if this thing monoxide did to possibly fix my version of the Game works, do I just export the new build of this mod over the root folder of the old version? And that would work?

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Just like the main build

full snow
# plucky wagon Just like the main build

Its a fork, so it'll have the same structure as SC

You need to copy your iso and cue files and paste it into the QoL's iso file

Then copy the save file(s) and paste em into the QoL's saves file

charred girder
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as a general rule, don't mix core files with the fork files.

full snow
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You do have to launch it once to create the iso and saves files

plucky wagon
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I know, I meant whenever this one gets updated

charred girder
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it's the same base structure so yes, until Senerio says otherwise.

plucky wagon
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I have separate files for the qol lod and the normal lod

full snow
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Copy over the isos, copy over the save file

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Thats all

plucky wagon
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Well, me and monoxide is still trying bug shoot my crappy laptop

full snow
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I wish you good luck :)

plucky wagon
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So I'll guess first thing I'm doing after is updating it lol

full snow
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Im just repeating it in case you dont understand

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If you do I'll stop

plucky wagon
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I get it, download the latest fork of the mod, paste it over the modded files, run the bat file

full snow
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download the latest fork

run the bat to create the iso and saves files in the modded one

paste your iso and save files into the created/modded one

plucky wagon
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Ok, your confusing me more than helping rn

full snow
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Mb

plucky wagon
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I think it's due to there being no distinction between the mod fork and the official files

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I download the latest modded fork, I already have a version of the modded fork, it has already generated the files and has the isos in it. I then extract the new version over the old version, replacing everything that's the same

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That's what I planned to do

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I mean, it doesn't have the files yet, but we're working on it

full snow
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You dont have to replace the files, you can just run the latest on its own

plucky wagon
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Respectfully, it takes almost an hour to initialize the files on my crappy laptop

charred girder
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You don't need to reunpack in most cases. Usually Monoxide or Sen will mention it if so.

full snow
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Wouldn't replacing take more time?

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Or am I mistaken?

charred girder
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I don't know what you mean.

plucky wagon
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No, you can just extract over the boot and it will just auto replace

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No effort needed

full snow
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If it works, it works

charred girder
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It's as simple as dropping new files over old files, and leaving the unpacked "/files" subfolder as-is.

plucky wagon
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Everything auto compares, if it's different, it will replace it

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Then you'll have all the old files that haven't changed with the new files that did change

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Already initialized, already ready to go

full snow
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Ahh I gotcha

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Running the bat for a newer version would take a long time so you're just replacing so you won't have to wait for that on the shitty laptop

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I get it now mb

hexed merlin
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um.. am i kinda dumb? how can i has the turn order and the flawless additions forks together

plucky wagon
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Has Sen updated it to the newest dev build yet?

full snow
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Yes

full snow
plucky wagon
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It has been... 40 minutes, and I'm still initializing lol

hexed merlin
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thank you!

full snow
charred girder
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Gates of Heaven!

plucky wagon
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We made it to patching scripts

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Woo

charred girder
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reasons to only do it once in awhile haha.

plucky wagon
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Wooooooo

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The intro started

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We in bois

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Now I gotta update it

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XD

hexed merlin
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soooo does shana get flawless??? XD

charred girder
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She should. Every shot.

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it's only fair.

hexed merlin
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ooooo does she get dat damage boost?

torn sluice
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Nah it doesn't apply to them

hexed merlin
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AW

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kinda figured but had to ask

plucky wagon
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ok, its updated, wish me luck, hopefully I didnt just break everything

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it seems to work!

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Cant use my Keyboard cause I only have 3 USB slots on my Laptop, 1 is Mouse, 1 is SSD, and last one is my controller

torn sluice
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Good luck

plucky wagon
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Sometimes the Buttons look like that I guess lol

full snow
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The fix worked then?

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Massive

plucky wagon
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jesus, look at that frame rate

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mmm mmm mmmmmm

full snow
torn sluice
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is it working though

plucky wagon
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oh god, it got worst

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Its barely running 10 FPS during fights

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I dont know what bugs are SC or QoL Mods, but the cursor is broken

full snow
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All sorta horizontal and text alignment can get screwed from stretched display

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Right? @torn sluice Im pretty sure thats how it works but you prolly know better

plucky wagon
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I dont have stretched on tho

full snow
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In the graphics options you didnt have an option to switch off of stretched display?

plucky wagon
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I mean its not ON stretch

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its on Expand

full snow
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Oh, yeah thats the name

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Make it the one that isnt that

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Stretched/Expand

Potato/Tomato

torn sluice
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At that point I'm willing to put that on his laptop

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Corrupted files or something

plucky wagon
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no, there is nothing more than Stretch or Expand

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two options

full snow
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Oh

plucky wagon
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Stretch or Expand

full snow
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Oof then yeah, that might be a laptop thing

plucky wagon
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Its not Stretched, its expanded

full snow
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Gotcha

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I was mistaken

plucky wagon
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Silver lining, its nice to apreciate the models at 1/6th the speed

plucky wagon
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One thing I feel I'd want fixed or added most rn is the ability to choose aspect ratio

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But that feels more like a base SC thing

full snow
plucky wagon
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If your talking about window size, that's not what I meant

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I mean, be able to have the game full screen, and still have the game render at 4:3

full snow
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Double checking one sec

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Yeah, you're right. I confused it for window size

plucky wagon
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Here, I made a mockup for what Id want. this isnt possible in the current build

full snow
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Clinically sane desktop

plucky wagon
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looks like a desktop after you disconnect the second monitor

ornate estuary
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If so, turn it back on, it won't affect performance

plucky wagon
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that option was on

ornate estuary
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Okay, I dunno then

plucky wagon
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I'm actually falling in love with the perfect strike mechanic, it adds just that extra edge to the game play I feel

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Rewards with just a bit of extra damage and by making addition grinding take slightly less time

plucky wagon
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I... was afraid of this...

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3 Characters and multiple enemies makes the game CRAWL to a slow

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7 FPS just isnt playable

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I was able to kinda roll with 10-15 FPS

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but 7 FPS just isnt playable for me

ornate estuary
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Try lowering the resolution

charred girder
ornate estuary
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That is 720

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Title bar says 3x

charred girder
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Ah darn. Sounds like it's time to upgrade to a Lenovo Thinkpad T480

full snow
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Hi @torn sluice I fw you heavy and cannot wait for your next addition.

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Idk why I pinged you, I just wanted you to know I appreciate the work you do

torn sluice
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You're welcome. I'm glad to be part of this in some ways. LoD has a special place in my heart ❤️

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I give 99% of the credits to Mono and gang though

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1% sufficient for me

charred girder
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It's a team effort! <3

ornate estuary
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I have some comments on your PR btw

torn sluice
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The discord one?

ornate estuary
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Yeah

torn sluice
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Replied to everything

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The only real follow up is the engine state stuff

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I'm not sure what you'd want there instead

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Somehow started a review by accident

torn sluice
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It is a shockingly bad laptop

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impressive in its own rights

charred girder
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what laptop is this, exactly?

plucky wagon
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idk, a dell I think

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Dell

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yeah

charred girder
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model number pls

plucky wagon
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Inspiron 15 3000

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I think thats it

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ive had it for years as well

charred girder
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Hmmm

plucky wagon
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so its an old, crappy laptop with ware and tear

charred girder
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I think you're riding the edge of SC compatibility, at first glance. Impressive.

plucky wagon
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ive REALLY been in the mood to play LoD again, it sucks that this is my only means of playing SC rn

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Any chance you have plans to shadow drop a Wii U or PS3 Port of SC tomorrow?

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XD

charred girder
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Hah, nope. But we'll do our best to keep supporting older hardware, and keep SC running very lean.

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Corey is awesome about that.

plucky wagon
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the weird part is that it runs decently well on the maps and running around

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anywhere from 50-80 FPS

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which isnt ideal

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but its way better than the battles

ornate estuary
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There's way less to render on submaps

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Battles are full 3D

full snow
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Quality of Death

full snow
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MY MESSAGE DOESNT MAKE SENSE ANYMORE

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HE DELETED IT

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:<

balmy ridge
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Kitty! :3

torn sluice
full snow
harsh jetty
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What’s this?

full snow
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Real tough to scroll to the top manually

charred girder
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I dunno about mobile, but on Desktop the OPs are accessible.

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@harsh jetty see here for more info: #1307995361918586911 message

full snow
charred girder
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That's odd. I only have that problem with Search, not the Top button. xD

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thanks Discord.

torn sluice
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Yeah jumping to top only scrolls up to this for me

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very annoying

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You have to like scroll up a bit before you jump to top otherwise it doesnt work

charred girder
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like jumping to a nearby platform in a game, and noooot quite making it.

torn sluice
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Anyway I shadow dropped the stats late at night but yeah they're in and ready to use

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let me know if more stats needed

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I tried to do revive/revived but I couldn't find a place to insert it. I think it's not exposed

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oh and disclaimer, they will only properly work on new games

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Picture for posterity

charred girder
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Getting better and better.

plucky wagon
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WE GOT FORCED 4:3

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Ive been asking for that for, like months lol

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The SC Team is the BEST

charred girder
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Any chance for a more contrasting color, regarding the text of the far-left column and far-right column?

torn sluice
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easy enough

plucky wagon
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I feel like my biggest issue is how it will look at retail resolution

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those numbers are TINY

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and whatever Font is used for the added menus DOESNT scale well for Retail

torn sluice
torn sluice
plucky wagon
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when you run on a Crappy Laptop and have no other way to play...

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I do

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XFD

torn sluice
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Just switch to 480 if you wanna look at it

plucky wagon
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I feel like all the New Font needs to be able to be read on Retail Resolution anyways, just for posterity

torn sluice
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it's readable at 480

plucky wagon
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barely

torn sluice
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yes but readable

full snow
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Iunno

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Whatever Sen wanna do

torn sluice
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I stayed away from scrolling

plucky wagon
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maybe it could be like the status screen or something, where you move through the party to see stats for each

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and then an extra one at the end for the total stats

charred girder
torn sluice
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That's not very useful for comparing

plucky wagon
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eitherway, the size of it wasnt my issue

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its just that every letter turns into 9 pixels on Retail is all

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but if theres a UI Overhaul coming, then hopfully that fixes it

torn sluice
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coming™

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Cmon it's not that bad

plucky wagon
torn sluice
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I can read 0

full snow
plucky wagon
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My Favorite Number

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fvb;u

full snow
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"Uhh, 2, 2, 5? Is that an 8?"

full snow
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lol

plucky wagon
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XD

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Oh boy, my favorite boss...

ornate estuary
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Get your barcode scanner out

plucky wagon
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I Ir iill ii i lli i! i

full snow
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Ur dll I I bI! i

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So real

plucky wagon
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In case you cant tell, thats SUPPOSED to be Urobolus

full snow
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my absolute hardest challenge run is gonna be 240

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smallest window size

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Hidden reticle

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Hardest addition, retail feedback

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No items

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worst audio

plucky wagon
#

Harder Feedback

full snow
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TRUE

plucky wagon
#

throw in -5 Timing if you wanna be a pedantic

full snow
#

Sen should make a Inconvenience of Life mod

plucky wagon
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Retail Encounters

full snow
#

Where addition timing can vary from -17 to +5 frames

plucky wagon
#

I would die

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XD

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I couldnt man

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one that purpously makes the game run as bad as my Laptop makes it run

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fuck your frames, now it runs at 8-13 FPS during battles

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5 FPS if its a boss

torn sluice
#

Turbo mode always on

plucky wagon
#

except for when you are walking around

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in fact, when your walking around? you walk 60% the normal speed

torn sluice
#

anyway very curious what stats would end up looking like at the end of a legit playthrough so if anyone makes it there take a snap

plucky wagon
#

Id do it, if I could stand playing the game at 5 FPS for more than a few fights

torn sluice
#

Time to upgrade that laptop

plucky wagon
#

That costs money

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I have no mone

full snow
#

Deadass try to buy a local school computer

Hella cheap with decent specs that would play SC at a satisfactory level

full snow
#

Disregard

torn sluice
#

Pretty sure you could get a used one for very cheap on like ebay and it would be better than what you have

full snow
#

Yours is on its last legs big dawg

torn sluice
#

For the money part you'll have to figure that out

full snow
#

Well

torn sluice
#

It works on any

full snow
#

More stable on a fresh one?

torn sluice
#

but you'll start at 0

full snow
#

Ahh, gotcha

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Makes sense

#

From now on, the stats should be saved with newer updates, yeah?

torn sluice
#

Yeah

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It's not ideal but I think messing with the actual save file would've been messy so it's an external file for now

#

so long as you move them together you'll keep everything

torn sluice
#

fixed a few things and added a stat for Exp Gained

plucky wagon
#

I can never tell, how can I tell when you merge the new Dev Build Features into the new QoL Build

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like the Forced 4:3 Option

charred girder
#

Sen tends to post when there's an update.

full snow
#

Hes on top of it

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quickfast

torn sluice
plucky wagon
#

idk How I always miss it

torn sluice
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I sync to main pretty often

plucky wagon
#

but I swear, i go here instantly from the new Dev Build Announcment

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and I dont see anything from you

torn sluice
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Unless I haven't been active for a while I don't really mention it

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it's just implied when I'm making new builds

plucky wagon
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I dont like Implications lol, Implicatinos leads to assumtions

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and you know what Assuming does

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it makes an Ass out of U and Me

plucky wagon
#

My dad used to make that joke a lot lol

full snow
#

Sure, but back on a somewhat serious note

He doesnt have any obligation to update or work on it, so however he wants to go about updating it is what we'll get, yk?

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Maybe im taking it too serious

torn sluice
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If you need something from main just let me know and I'll sync and rebuild whenever I can

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Or tell you it's already in

plucky wagon
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nah, I didnt mean to be rude, I just dont know when you update is all

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I could actually,

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wait

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I can see when you last updated on the github

full snow
#

Yeah

torn sluice
#

I always increase the version number too

full snow
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Its usually after he posts a video on what he added

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Like this morning (for me)

plucky wagon
#

like I can remember the version number im on

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I cant remember what I had for lunch yesterday

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XD

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wait, you make videos?

torn sluice
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Well if you keep the build in the folder I put it in you'll know

torn sluice
plucky wagon
#

where if I may ask?

torn sluice
#

#1307995361918586911 message

plucky wagon
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oh that

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tbf, I couldnt tell if that was an update on top of the brand new dev build or one seperate from the dev build

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im bad at this ok

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lol

torn sluice
#

it's separate but I keep it sync'ed as best I can

full snow
#

Ye, just let him know and he'll update it

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LIKE WITH TURN ORDER letsfuckinggoooooo

torn sluice
#

right now I'm active so it's updated a lot but when I go inactive if you need something from main you should ping me here

ornate estuary
#

@torn sluice you should match your version to the SC build number

torn sluice
#

Like 3.0.0?

ornate estuary
#

Nah the build number that's incremented for every release

plucky wagon
#

hey, I updated but it aint showing the 4:3 option

torn sluice
#

Sounds like you didn't update

plucky wagon
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1.16.3 right?

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thats the one I downloaded

torn sluice
#

nope

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.4

plucky wagon
#

I swear, it said uploaded 17 minutes ago when I downloaded it

torn sluice
#

little gremlins

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they messing around with you

plucky wagon
#

you cheated somehow

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XD

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you broke into my house and uninstalled me game

torn sluice
plucky wagon
#

how do you keep one upping yourself lol

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that looks great

torn sluice
#

I'm a QoL savant

ornate estuary
#

Zy is already working on graphics for it

torn sluice
plucky wagon
#

might need a poll to decide which one ends up looking better idk

ornate estuary
#

He's taken screenshots of every enemy in the game

torn sluice
#

Yeah so I heard

plucky wagon
#

ok well then

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fair enough

charred girder
#

it may even change in the future, but modders will always be able to make their own version as Sen is demonstrating.

torn sluice
#

If you ever wanna just inject the pictures into that and save some time let me know

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For now onto QoL it goes

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Will be eagerly awaiting the merge conflicts at one point 😆

ornate estuary
#

Feel free to chat with @worn fern about it

worn fern
#

the biggest conflicting thing will be coremod i suspect.

torn sluice
#

It always is regardless because I fucked around with configs a lot 😆

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Idk if you had another vision for it beyond the enemy pictures but if you want use my box let me know and I can set up a PR

worn fern
#

i guess i will just leak it

torn sluice
#

You don't have to

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I was just giving an option

plucky wagon
#

I will never get over how odd, yet fitting having the new Icons are

worn fern
torn sluice
#

Noice

plucky wagon
#

WOW

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What do the numbers mean?

ornate estuary
#

I don't think rendering the turn values is a good idea Zy

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Just gonna confuse people

torn sluice
#

I like it

plucky wagon
#

also, will there be at some point, FFX style, Turn order swapping when highlighting an action

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You know, like when you Guard in FFX, and your character gets to go sooner, so right before you guard, the turn order updates to show you that you;ll take a second action sooner

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I personally dont like the numbers cause they kinda dont mean anything to the average player

torn sluice
#

It would make sense if they were sorted

plucky wagon
#

but then they wouldnt be in order

torn sluice
#

but Idk if that's how the mechanics for turn work

ornate estuary
#

Actions don't reliably affect turn order

plucky wagon
#

yeah, but the order already updates when you do actions, whats stopping you from like, looking ahead to see if it will update the order, and change it early while selecting someone to do an action on

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or something

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idk exactly how it works under the hood

#

you said your already simulating forward to get the order

torn sluice
#

Time to do a simulation on a simulation Mono

charred girder
#

There are too many variables. It would be a Loki situation where a player can see every possible outcome. Might help you get a desired outcome, but you also run the risk of spending more time looking at timelines than actually playing the game haha.

plucky wagon
#

fair enough

ornate estuary
#

It's impossible because there is a random component to turn order

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That's why sometimes the turn order changes after an attack or whatever

worn fern
#

i was originally making it for dramod before y'all yeeted me 😆 in dramod it displayed turn value so i kept that functionality here.

plucky wagon
#

I just personally dont see much of a reason for the turn order if theres no way to figure the turn order out consistantly thats all

worn fern
#

i can remove it.

plucky wagon
#

its a cool visual, and really neat

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but idk, Im kinda mixed on it

ornate estuary
#

I would prefer to remove the turn value

torn sluice
plucky wagon
#

I have been, trying both on and off

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Im not saying to stop working on it, god no

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I think its neat

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I just dont personally find it that great

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its not for me It seems

charred girder
#

Nice thing about unofficial port compared to official remaster or remake.. you get to choose which parts you want. :)

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Everyone wins, essentially.

balmy ridge
#

I kinda prefer Sen's version of the turn order graphics. Less space used and looks neater.(too me atleast)

full snow
#

I do agree

torn sluice
#

I think if he were to full screen instead of the default window size it would help a lot

plucky wagon
#

I like Zy's version personally, I think it looks more substantual, I just didnt like the numbers

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just a reminder that should the thing go out of the 4:3 area, that it would need to be coded to not go off screen when the window gets resized or if 4:3 mode is on, which is why I assume theyve both put it within the 4:3 window

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just to not have to do that

worn fern
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Yes it attaches to the edge of the screen.

worn fern
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My original goal was live 3d but too much work for rb3. In expedition 33 the current battle entity turn's is slightly bigger than the rest. If I copy that would shrink down the size. The end goal design wise was to make it look like honkai star rail's turn ordering system.

harsh jetty
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i like that that looks good

full snow
#

@torn sluice Do you thinking something akin to a damage prediction could be implemented?

Example: Hovering over an enemy with an attack command would show how much damage they could deal to the character?

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Actually, on second thought that seems like a lot of work

torn sluice
#

probably easier than you think

full snow
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Cause its not only damage, its every enemy option, factoring statuses

full snow
#

Thats good to hear

torn sluice
#

Will I do it

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That is another question

full snow
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I understand

plucky wagon
#

could be a neat HP Bar Addition, like segment the bar based on how much it will take out, and color each section based on the amount of hits in the addition

plucky wagon
#

I cant turn off and on Turn Order Menu while as Shana

torn sluice
#

uuuuh

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Ah yeah cuz she doesn't have additions

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I probably nested it too low

torn sluice
#

Fixed that issue + added (fixed?) ability to show/hide turn order while targeting + added targeted allies/enemies

full snow
hexed merlin
#

? is the turn order thingy avaliable in the Qol update??

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thye newest one i mean

full snow
hexed merlin
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HM.. i can't find it

full snow
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Did you enable it in the settings?

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options*

hexed merlin
#

i cant find it in the options either

full snow
#

What's your current version?

hexed merlin
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1.16.7

full snow
#

Huh, thats weird

hexed merlin
full snow
#

@torn sluice could you help me out here?

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Im not at my PC, I cant double check on my end

torn sluice
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It's not an option

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just press square

full snow
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@hexed merlin Was it not showing up mid battle for you?

hexed merlin
#

? nope ill try again

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... square...

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dammit imma durp

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thank you!

full snow
#

Thanks Sen

plucky wagon
#

I was thinking about how cool the Stat screen looked, then an idea popped in my head, what if there was a Bestiary?

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like, it auto updates when you beat the enemy for the first time

plucky wagon
#

huh

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I just crashed

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A fatal error has been detected by the Java Runtime Environment:

EXCEPTION_ILLEGAL_INSTRUCTION (0xc000001d) at pc=0x00007ffe82e40adb, pid=13328, tid=11308

JRE version: OpenJDK Runtime Environment Corretto-21.0.6.7.1 (21.0.6+7) (build 21.0.6+7-LTS)

Java VM: OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM Corretto-21.0.6.7.1 (21.0.6+7-LTS, mixed mode, sharing, tiered, compressed oops, compressed class ptrs, g1 gc, windows-amd64)

Problematic frame:

C [opus.dll+0x20adb]

No core dump will be written. Minidumps are not enabled by default on client versions of Windows

An error report file with more information is saved as:

D:\Games\QoL LoD\QoL-Build-v1.14.1\hs_err_pid13328.log

[5458.717s][warning][os] Loading hsdis library failed

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oh wtf

ornate estuary
#

Follow the instructions I gave you again

plucky wagon
#

what instructions

ornate estuary
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To get around your CPU not supporting libopus

plucky wagon
#

this didnt happen when trying to run the game

#

this crashed in the middle of dragooning

#

I used Rose's Dragoon

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and during the transformation, it crashed

ornate estuary
#

Ah, XA audio also uses libopus

#

You won't be able to use dragoons or listen to the credits music

plucky wagon
#

😦

#

well shit

ornate estuary
#

I haven't had time to talk to the lwjgl dev to see if there's anything he can do about it

torn sluice
#

But before I do that I would definitely require a picture of each enemy

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If only someone was in the process of taking every enemy's picture

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cough cough ||@worn fern|| cough cough

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For all I know you already have a bestiary 😆

plucky wagon
#

My thought was a simple page for everything with thier Element, Basic Stats, the works you know

#

but having LORE would be sick too

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little fluff descriptions of each one

torn sluice
#

yeah I can gamify it too

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unlocking bits of info behind a kill count

plucky wagon
#

of course, the bosses would be unlocked after only 1 kill

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for obvious reasons

torn sluice
#

of course

plucky wagon
#

So what exactly is the line we drawing for the Descriptions

#

like, are we suggesting lore? are we clarifying lore? are we making up sudo lore for the areas?

torn sluice
#

A mix of everything

plucky wagon
#

Assassin Cock - Stiffens its beak when attacking as to not give itself headaches when defending itself from predators

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XD

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sorry, I just had to do at least 1 Assassin Cock joke

worn fern
torn sluice
#

Gladly blobheart

charred girder
full snow
#

@torn sluice Do you think there is a way to make stats configurable in options?

torn sluice
#

In example?

full snow
#

As in changing attack, defense, agility, magic attack, magic defense.

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And you'd be able to change their stats by 1 with up/down and 5 with right/left

torn sluice
#

what

#

Are you saying you want to make characters weaker/stronger

full snow
#

And if that would be possible to change in the options menu

#

It probably doesnt qualify as QoL

torn sluice
#

definitely not

full snow
#

I understand

#

I could make it a personal project to try and create that mod

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Then make it compatible with your fork

charred girder
full snow
#

Oh Pog

charred girder
#

Long story short, wait for the updated version of Dragoon Modifier to release. This upcoming version will be compatible with devbuild / SC 3.0.

DraMod is mainly about the two tougher difficulty settings tailor-made by its author, Zychronix. It rebalances characters and makes fights tougher, and it also has some new game mechanics.

However, the side-benefit is that you can freely swap between JP, NA, and JP Demo presets.

On top of that, you can simply copy-paste one of those presets as a basis, rename it, and go inside that copied folder to edit all sorts of stuff. Player stats, drop rates, et cetera. So, look forward to that coming out soon.

torn sluice
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Or press F12

charred girder
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For the current battle, yes.

torn sluice
#

Hmm I was under the impression it was a permanent tweak on their stats

charred girder
#

Nope, it all evaproates once the battle is over.

torn sluice
#

well then scratch that

charred girder
#

DraMod is the best choice for a non-programmer unless we get difficulty editing for core SC someday.

torn sluice
#

I could probably do that "easily"

#

but it'd be more like

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-/+ 50% HP/Damage/etc on enemies

charred girder
#

DraMod used to have simple sliders up/down for base stats. IDK if that is returning, but it was in the emulator tool's UI years ago.

#

the approach is indeed simpler and may still help lots of people have fun. Compared to "here's the entire leveling table, you wanted to edit the EXP required for all 413 levels the party can get, right?"

#

we already have Battle Rewards Mod for exp adjustment, but you get the idea.

#

same thing will apply when it comes to adjustments for AT, MAT, DF, drop rates.. all the table data. \o/

full snow
full snow
vale kite
#

DraMod looks like it's going to be amazing and I'm highly looking forward to it, will it be compatible with the quality of life improvement mod?

torn sluice
#

If there isn't any code change then it should be. But if it's a mod much like mine that messes with the code then they would have to be merged into one entity to be compatible

balmy ridge
#

I have no idea what the hell I did here. (Posting here since I', playing this build of the game)

#

Oh wait now I remember, Lavitz tried attacking as a dragoon in human form for some reason.

torn sluice
#

o_o

#

I want to say that sounds very unlikely it comes from my tweaks

ornate estuary
#

Just throwing it out there, we've never seen anything like that from any of our testers 😛

full snow
#

Lvl 13, so around Hellena 2?

ornate estuary
#

If that's a crash recovery save, sometimes the display location doesn't get set properly but it'll still load to the right place

full snow
#

I havent noticed any weirdness around there

(Hmm I wonder why I'm going through early game a lot Clueless)

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The answer is Lenus 1

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She is pretty tricky without item healing CryBye

torn sluice
balmy ridge
#

It was a normal attack on a Hellena Warden.

#

I WAS messing with Rose's SP in the combat at the time.

torn sluice
#

MMMMHMMMMMM

balmy ridge
#

I prolly fucked with the debugger to much lol

full snow
#

Checks out

torn sluice
#

I declare myself not guilty until it happens again and you haven't slept with the debugger

full snow
#

Trying to set Lavitz to 0 HP made him die, slump over

Get a turn, revive with a Guard

Then slumped over again after he healed

#

Debugger do bug

full snow
#

Gotta buy the debugger dinner, flowers and wine first.

ornate estuary
#

0 HP != dead

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Dead is its own flag

torn sluice
#

I had to find that out on my own yes 😆

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Speaking of which, is there an event exposing revive/being revived or is that still in scripts

#

I searched a bunch and came up empty

ornate estuary
#

Buried deep within the script mines

torn sluice
#

Ok good

ornate estuary
#

Good luck

torn sluice
#

Nope

#

People will have to live without that stat for a while

plucky wagon
#

I have a feeling, based on your questions in #⛓️‍💥severed-chains that the next major update might be displaying how much damage an option does apon selection, probably displayed next to the enemy selected

#

at least, thats what the questions read to me

#

I am excited to see that

vale kite
#

oooo that sounds awesome

plucky wagon
#

Siick

#

Now all we need is a Google sheet of ecery enemy and someone to go through and make bios for em all

charred girder
#

It's almost as though that's already in development.

full snow
plucky wagon
#

😮

torn sluice
#

Bestiary 1.0 is now available on the QoL Build
Disclaimer again, won't have entries prior to wherever your current save might be. Will need a new save file to be properly fully completable

#

I didn't test all entries to see if they unlock upon kill but it should work for at least 95%. Keep an eye out and report if anything does not unlock properly. Bosses are more at risk of this., but I tested Shirley that you technically don't even kill and it works so I'm pretty confident it's all good

#

To come one day™:

  • Order the entries in order of appearance
  • Descriptions
  • Status effect resistances
  • Better photos for some enemies
plucky wagon
#

Ive always said, the ebst order for a Bestiary is:
Easiest Earliest Normal Enemies to Hardest Latest Normal Enemies
(aka Seles Solders would go first, Triceratops on the Moon would probably be last)
Earliest to Latest Boss Enemies
(aka Seles Commander would be first, Melbu Frama would be last)

#

All the Random Normal Enemies are categorised by area, followed by all the bosses in order

plucky wagon
#

Ok, I have an interesting conundrum, whats the consensus on duplicate enemies with minor stat chnages

#

Obviously someone like Kongol needs 2 entries, sure, but what about the Sandoria Elite?

#

what about the Commander

#

what about the Crafty Thief

#

even crazier, what about the Sandora Knight

#

the ones in the Marshland area

#

theres technically 2 of the exact same guy, with one having Fire Element, and the other has Water Element

#

whats the idea going into that, are they gonna have different Pages for each variation?

#

Crafty Thief's appear in the first Mappi Fight as backup, and then appear as normal enemies in the HoG

#

HoG variants have less HP and actually give out EXP and Gold, while the backups on the Mappi fight has more HP and doesnt give rewards

#

so are they different pages

#

thats kinda what I wanna sort out

charred girder
#

Fire Spirit is closer to being justified for removal. However, even though it's a 1-AT difference, the drop rate is also different. It's up to Sen whether he wants to create a modified display for that page, or just list both.

#

Both Crafty Thieves should be included. All other boss minions are already being featured, and the CT minions differ from the minor enemy variant, so there's nothing wrong with listing both.

#

All of the variants for Knight of Sandora, Sandora Soldier, and Hellena Warden should also be included.

#

The thing is, once you start plucking things out, you create inconsistencies; so it's better to just list everything. It doesn't cause any harm.

#

Besides, astute players will inevitably point out "hey I think you're missing one of the Knights of Sandora," or "where's the other Crafty Thief?" Imagine all the user reports these exceptions would result in.

queen comet
#

auto battle would be a nice feature to add

charred girder
#

What kind of auto battle? Just looping encounters until you turn it off?

queen comet
#

Party auto attacking enemys

vale kite
#

like a turbo mode im guessing, would be interesting with auto addition turned on

torn sluice
#

At that point you just don't wanna play the game

#

Turn off encounters instead 😩

queen comet
#

What if I want to grind or something? kind of annoying having to go into settings all the time

torn sluice
#

Then you should grind, I don't think the game should do it for you

full snow
#

Sure it isnt technically auto battling at that point, but its a few X presses

plucky wagon
#

I was up to the Mappi Fight before I was like, "I probably should get clarification on these outliers first"

#

In case you're wondering, Bosses, Boss Summons, and Boss Backups are down here

#

And Unique Monsters are here

#

as for the order between enemies in the same area, I generally tried to put the smaller, easier, more common enemy first, and put the harder, less common enemy last for each section

#

so Man Eating Bud obviously goes last in the Dragon's Nest roster

#

you know?

charred girder
torn sluice
#

They're just trying to help. It comes from the same passion. If anything it helps and we can use it as double check for errors

charred girder
#

I agree with you. It isn't about that.

plucky wagon
#

Honestly, In started this list for my own enjoyment, got to the end of Disk 1, and thought, "I wonder if they could use this" but then It occured to me that I didnt even know what y'all were and wern't counting, which is why I asked

charred girder
#

Sen asked me to help with sorting, so I agreed. That's all I wished to convey - your own edification is still a valid reason. I make sheets for my personal use, despite there being existing sources sometimes. It's just fun.

plucky wagon
#

yeah, exactly

#

I was just curious what the Sort would look like for the sort I had in my head

charred girder
#

I think, I just wanted a chance to say yeah, we want the feature as well, so rest assured it's on the way. Sen already sorted part of it for me, so technically he stole the work he asked me to do. 🤪

plucky wagon
#

lol, its a addicting thing to do

charred girder
torn sluice
#

A few code lines and I save you a bunch of work !

plucky wagon
#

My Sort is more akin to what you'd find in a Final Fantasy Bestiary, with the Enemies and the Bosses Seperated from each other

torn sluice
#

I wouldn't be against keeping bosses all together at the bottom of the list

charred girder
torn sluice
#

I could add a line as a separator for different groups

plucky wagon
#

I will say, Im already thinking of moving the Unique Monsters between the Enemies and Bosses

#

since they kinda dont fit below the Bosses on my list

charred girder
#

The best part is, you can have three copies with three sort orders and they're all beautiful.

plucky wagon
#

plus throw in Alphebetical for compeltion I guess

#

why not

torn sluice
#

#, Alpha, Element, Completion, Defeated

charred girder
#

I must have missed it? Or new update?

plucky wagon
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ok, you're gonna have to fill me in on what those sort

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What is Alpha

torn sluice
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It's from a few days ago so you missed it

plucky wagon
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or Completion

torn sluice
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Why don't you go download the build and find out 😄

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Alpha is you know

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letters

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A,B,C,D,E

plucky wagon
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oh, Alphabetical

torn sluice
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Completion just sorts with those you haven't seen at the top

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Meant to ease the job when you're trying to find what you haven't completed

plucky wagon
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ok, heres a question

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Magician Bogey

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Boss or Not?

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they have slightly more health than the normal enemies, but arent refightable, you cant run from them, you need to fight them to continue, but they also arent unique, as in theres more than 1 of them

full snow
plucky wagon
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Im inclined to say that it should be counted as a Boss, dispite it being split across 2 fights

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the Bogey and Skeletons fight, then the 3 Bogey fight

torn sluice
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in order of appearance solves that problem neatly

plucky wagon
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yeah, but im not doing that lol,

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contigencies be damned lol

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eh, Im counting it as a Boss

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fuck it

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It has alot more HP than the Ghost Knights

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and those are gonna be down with the Bosses

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fuck t

full snow
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It doesnt trigger boss music

charred girder
# plucky wagon Magician Bogey

In the resource archive we class that as a scripted / special battle, as they aren't renewable encounters. But for the purposes of game mechanics, they are minor enemies. This is because they are susceptible to things like instakill (TV and Demon's Gate)

plucky wagon
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that being said, Freugels pets are listed in my sort with the bosses

charred girder
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it gets weird sometimes. In another example, one wouldn't expect to be able to nuke Guftas or Rodriguez with TV/DG. Those two definitely are not meant to be seen as minor enemies. They are signature minions that prevent the fight from being a total pushover.

plucky wagon
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same braincell

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lol

charred girder
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great minds

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I hope that explains some of the nuance.

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however, you can consider the scripted Skeletons to be just like the scripted Gangster encounter.

plucky wagon
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yeah, I think since it is seen multiple times, and its proven that they arent unique, as in there are multiple of them

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Im gonna move it to General Enemy

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just a much stronger General Enemy

charred girder
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is that general enough?

plucky wagon
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I am the very model of a Modern Major General

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Ive information both animal and mineral

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There, ive demoted the Court Magician

torn sluice
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How does one work in these conditions

plucky wagon
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I usually dont use Light Mode, but I genuenly just cant see the values if its dark mode on Google Sheets

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plus, I havent really found an extension that works flawlessly for Google Sheets

torn sluice
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You can tweak colors of the cell to suit your needs

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it's not perfect but it's a lot nicer on the eyes

plucky wagon
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ok, real talk... Wendigo

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obviously a boss, no doubt

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but what about his Heart

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will it get its own page lol

torn sluice
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Do you make a page for each limb of virage

plucky wagon
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I mean, I figured so

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Each one has thier own stats, and do different attacks, but in the end, thats up to you

torn sluice
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in the best of cases I manage to make a sub-page for monsters like that where you can cycle through sub-entries

charred girder
torn sluice
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but I don't have much of an appetite for it