Dragoon Modifier

[full bolt]

Everyone has a different curse when they press "new game"

[unreal vapor]

Both of us being water/ice dragoons... Makes sense 🤣

Niice

[sly yoke]

I've been pretty curseless, aside from one save being bricked to a black screen when saving on a teleporter in Forbidden something (wingly place)

[full bolt]

I believe Zychronix wrote something about the dmg numbers in special/with or without elemental weapons a few months (or years) ago

[unreal vapor]

Forbidden land, Kadessa

[unreal vapor]

Probably years, because I didn't remember that

[sly yoke]

Huh? Am I missing something? If not weak to wind, and Albert IS specialing, why would Twister be better than highest Atk weapon ?

[full bolt]

Hmm, am I mistaken ? I believe it still boost his wind dmg

I'll go try 👌

[unreal vapor]

It makes sense that special field boosts his weapon

[sly yoke]

I imagine so, but more than a substantially stronger weapon? I'll try to test as well when I play next

[full bolt]

Albert special + twister glaive against Freeze knight : 5260
Albert special + Partisan against Freeze knight : 4060

Yup, it still boost his dmg

[sly yoke]

Oh my

[full bolt]

Twister glaive is 28 AT, Partisan 58 I believe

[sly yoke]

That's significant

[full bolt]

Elemental weapons are busted

[sly yoke]

.....do they also boost dragoon magic???

[full bolt]

I don't think so

But yeah, that's why I think meru late game with elemental weapon in special can be really strong

[unreal vapor]

Not so late
You can buy it at ...
No no
Not Feuno

[full bolt]

Yes but her AT stat skyrocket the last lvl

[unreal vapor]

Mm the first city of CD-3

That city

[unreal vapor]

There you can buy almost everyone's elemental weapon

[full bolt]

You see her AT really goes up the last 10 lvl

[unreal vapor]

And Dart have a volcano weapon like wtf haha

[full bolt]

She get's to more than Rose AT stat

And near Dart I believe

[unreal vapor]

WHAT

[sly yoke]

Yeah dart is 150 across the board

[unreal vapor]

Hahaha more reason to love my girl

That combined with her ultimate weapon...

Hahaha

[full bolt]

So late game with 110 speed and 147 AT I think she can do wonders 👀

[unreal vapor]

Also with elemental fire bomb...

Time to unleash

[full bolt]

Indeed

[unreal vapor]

Hahaha true

[unreal vapor]

Where did you find that chart?

[sly yoke]

With maxed Dragoon, what is the difference between datk and the final 0mp spell? Albert's says his "attacks all" but it doesnt

[unreal vapor]

It's 50 MP

Not 0

Don't trust menu

[sly yoke]

... okay but what does it even do ? 😕

[iron bone]

I didn't realize how busted Lavitz/Albert was then I looked at my charts which usually say % of Meru, said % of Lavitz.

[unreal vapor]

It does an enhanced elemental attack or something like that

[iron bone]

it allows you to have an elemental infused attack on an non elemental based weapon

[sly yoke]

Oh.... so rip twister glaive

[full bolt]

So Kongol ultimate weapon deal 10% less than Albert ultimate weapon ?

[full bolt]

Eh, Twister glaive carry since end of CD1, let it rest a little :p

[iron bone]

well i just furthered nerfed ouroboros so uh

[sly yoke]

Don't nerf his weapon! I haven't even tried it yet !!

[sly yoke]

Womp. Womp. Womp.

[unreal vapor]

It costs 50 MP

You have 140

So... No RIP too soon

It's not worth it, trust me

I tested it like from early CD-1

The damage increase is little

[unreal vapor]

No problem
Is not necessary at all to use that weapon 🤣

[sly yoke]

Isn't it only listing as strong since it's essentially losing two dragoon turns to output that kind of damage?

[unreal vapor]

Think about it
Less dragoon turns = less defense and less speed
Not worth it

[iron bone]

well that's what damage tracker is for

[sly yoke]

These are my thoughts as well, and why I didn't commit to that weapon as my choice to buy, survivability is already rough... i think I'll get meru's

[unreal vapor]

Yep hers is the best weapon

I tested all of them

[iron bone]

y'all don't realize the power of ouroboros

😛

[unreal vapor]

You're going to nerf it xD so who cares

🤣

[sly yoke]

It's strong I get it, it makes all three hits of power up/down immense, but the fight is not over after that, and now he's slow and has to get 7 attacks in to get back to dragoon

[full bolt]

BTW the Kamuy reward is supposed to be 2500G isn't it ?

[iron bone]

yes

[full bolt]

Should the text box show 2500 or 500 ? Mine showed 500g but at the time I didn't know about the reward being x5 so I didn't check in my inventory

[iron bone]

500

[full bolt]

Ok 👌

[unreal vapor]

Why the reward is x5?

[full bolt]

Why not :p

Because he's harder I guess

[iron bone]

5x the 5x reward

[sly yoke]

Because the reward was pitiful before

Dart and crew working for pennies

[unreal vapor]

I get that
What I don't get is where's that specified

On doc??

[full bolt]

The readme or the pinned message, i'm not sure which one

[unreal vapor]

I didn't read it

Okay

I need to re-read then

Maybe it's in the readme

[full bolt]

It's the pinned message : Kamuy and Polter Armor may be harder than expected when first encountering them. Completing the Kamuy quest gives you 5x the 5x amount.

[sly yoke]

I think Albert, more than any character I've tried, begs to be in Dragoon at all times. I find myself forcing Meru/Miranda/Haschel all out of Dragoon after one cast/attack to keep item options available, but Albert has one job, and it's to make sure he never goes down (lose special field) and does damage, because it's kind of his only job. Exiting early just doesn't work for him, and since he is innately slow-ish, rebuilding dragoon is already the toughest part of every fight. The prospect of doing colossal damage but exiting early "feels" contrary to what is making Albert work.

[iron bone]

So to summarize
Dart - everybody loves dart
Lavitz/Albert - everybody loves Lavitz/Albert
Shana - ??? heal bot for people 🤨 . no one mentions the arrow drop rates (too low?)
Rose - queen
Haschel - charges up too slow (lack of aoe I guess in single target), also gets additions too slow. meanwhile lavitz and rose are EATING
Meru - same problem with Haschel, no one has problems with ice shield,
KonGOON - no one likes using him because of MDF (he was only dying by wind magic 4 me). counterstance only for specific play style in bosses.

[unreal vapor]

Okay, I didn´t found that

Yes, the arrow drop rates are low

Also "magic item" is weak

[full bolt]

I'd say it's pretty accurate. I don't use elemental arrow too much because Shana doesn't do much dmg with them 😅

[unreal vapor]

You need to buff that

Or it´s practically useless unless you have her ultimate weapon

Anyway @iron bone you didn´t take in account what I said about Hale of Balance (or whatever it´s called), it displays more MP in battle but is not full because on menu you "have less"

This

[iron bone]

I marked that down already

[full bolt]

If you raise the droprate of elemental arrows, maybe you should lower their value

[unreal vapor]

Nice ^^

[full bolt]

Because honestly right now i'd prefer to sell than to use them :p

40g for 1 arrow is nice 😅

[iron bone]

uh something something last hell mode didn't have stats override when rb3 started... so i had 1.3x 1.3x with this new version

it's already fixed

[sly yoke]

I think it's a great boon especially if people don't like Shana

[full bolt]

In hell mode they will learn to love her :p

[sly yoke]

Yeah.. she's gud

[full bolt]

Hmm

Should I buy Kongol earth weapon from Zenebatos or not...

[iron bone]

he (should) be the highest damaging character

with it

[full bolt]

Maybe i'll try to bring him instead of Albert against the 3 executioners

But 3 000 gold is a lot 😅

[unreal vapor]

With dragoon form or without it?

[iron bone]

with him as the character you special as

[full bolt]

Do you rememeber what I talked about before Zychronix ? About your message talking about elemental weapons dmg in special or not ?

I tried to search for it but without success

[iron bone]

elemental weapons are affected by specials yes

[full bolt]

Yeah but I meant this :

I believe Zychronix wrote something about the dmg numbers in special/with or without elemental weapons a few months (or years) ago

[iron bone]

oh you want the chart

[full bolt]

If you have it around, yes please

[iron bone]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/158or91FNO2FT_msJ5q18-ODoOpY4nGlr1O2kG7V1NvM/edit?gid=669931536#gid=669931536

it's not updated

[full bolt]

Thanks !

[unreal vapor]

Thank youu

[iron bone]

this is from last year's hell mode beta

[iron bone]

ok damage drag race

[full bolt]

Well well well

Kongol is one shotted by Kubila thunder multi target attack even when both are full life

[unreal vapor]

xD

[sly yoke]

Ooof

[full bolt]

Yeah, that wont do on this fight, he's not hitting enough, Selebus is healing them faster than he deal dmg 😅

[sly yoke]

...that's not even a particularly hard hitting fight. Poor bigman

[unreal vapor]

I said that, he lacks magic defense unless you "cheat" with some equipment

xD

[iron bone]

so...

just a tiny nerf don't worry

my quick maffs may had slight edge to kongoon hence the higher than intended for lavitz.

So the hard/hell mode on emulator with "earlier" additions the master addition actually wouldn't unlock until you were at a certain level with all additions maxed.

[silk ledge]

The ultimate prank.

[unreal vapor]

It healed? but the numbers were 0, weird xD

[full bolt]

So the weird thing is the 0 not the heal :p

[iron bone]

rose heals based on max HP first then from her damage

[full bolt]

She's supposed to heal on every dragoon attack or magic isn't she ?

[iron bone]

for herself yes, for party only astral drain.

you can fully heal the other party members HP before getting any heals from damage.

[full bolt]

I'll retry later but I think I only had the healing from astral drain, nothing else

[unreal vapor]

Here she only healed like... 100? or something

[full bolt]

Dark Dragon - Heals Rose for 10% of the damage dealt.

[unreal vapor]

I thought I wasn´t being healed at all xD

[full bolt]

So 178 for 1780 dmg is fine

[unreal vapor]

OH
See? that´s what I said, spells descriptions need to be improved

[full bolt]

To be fair it's in the readme 👀

[unreal vapor]

I´m tired about the readme to be honest xD

Too much info to remember

[full bolt]

I think it's not that easy to put all this text in those little textbox 😕

[unreal vapor]

Maybe if you put "10% HP" or something

xD you can go straight to the point

[full bolt]

10%HP doesn't mean anything if you don't have the other part of the sentence xD

It could mean a lot of things

[unreal vapor]

10%HP of damage

Something like that would be enough for me

[iron bone]

I would have to put "10% DMG ABS HP" instead of just "HP" which is how retail has it..

If I want more text I would have to make it scroll which is already giving me a headache.

[full bolt]

They were way harder than I thought they would be

Mostly because of Selebus evade and Kubila killing me 3 times when he was in red 🙄

[iron bone]

I have to say the frog is unholy.

But I didn't nerf it.

[full bolt]

This thing is atrocious xD

[full bolt]

I tried to see if Rose get healing from her dragoon attack but it doesn't seem to be working

Syuveil dodging Kongol 4 times in a row when he has 3 000 HP left 🤣

The dude really don't want to die

[tired orbit]

just throw 300 sachets, ez

[full bolt]

Wasn't Haschel supposed to do more dmg to thunder enemy with his thunder fist ? Or is it an old feature ? Or maybe I'm misremembering ?

Kanzas took "only" 8300 from the dragoon enhanced spark net (with power up/down and special)
edit : In the same context, Albert dragoon addition did 10 300~ (so without having to get the 10 stacks 😅 )

I thought it would deal way more 😅

[iron bone]

Sorry it's only on spells with "HP" on them and the ultimate weapon is what triggers it for all attacks.

[iron bone]

Only overcharged glove does that.

[iron bone]

this update notes for this update is too long

[unreal vapor]

Nah don't do that

[full bolt]

So did you manage to defeat him ?

[unreal vapor]

@full bolt @sly yoke at what point are both of you in game?

[full bolt]

Just before the DD spirit in Mayfil, I did the dragoon spirit and the 3 firsts UB

[unreal vapor]

Awesome
How tough were dragoon spirits?

[full bolt]

Damia was a punching ball, she had 1 turn
Syuveil was ok (thanks Kongol earth axe) but needed a few tries because of him dodging
Kanzas was annoying but ok, playing with %evade accessory is strong since he do only single target
Belzac was a pain because he could spam multi target spell and his dragon magic spell hit like a truck

[unreal vapor]

%evade you're talking about magic or physical one?

[full bolt]

Both ahah

The Sage's Cloak

[unreal vapor]

I forgot to buy the magic one XD unless you can buy it somewhere else

Yep Sage

[full bolt]

You can buy them in Ulara I think ? Or maybe the Wingly forest

[unreal vapor]

Belzac surprises me

[unreal vapor]

Oooh okay

[full bolt]

He has 200 def and 80 000 HP so he's pretty bulky

You can't "just" go albert special power up/down

[unreal vapor]

Miranda and Meru should deal with him pretty easily... Right?

I remember him being the weakest of all just because of his magic defense

[full bolt]

I honestly don't play Shana for now

But mostly because she's Dlvl 4

[unreal vapor]

Oh

I'll try to delete him with Psycho bomb

🤣

[full bolt]

I played Rose for every fight I did since the start of CD4

Except Last Kraken*

[unreal vapor]

So your team is... ?

Albert and who else

[full bolt]

It depends xD

I play eveyrone

[unreal vapor]

Except Shana 🤣

Poor goddess

[full bolt]

Damia was Rose Dart Albert
Syuveil was Meru Kongol Rose
Kanzas was Albert Rose Dart
Belzac was Albert Rose Meru

I feel like Rose is really good since she was Dlvl 4 thanks to Dark mist

And the Dlvl scaling on Astral Drain to heal eveyrone

[unreal vapor]

Okay, so now Rose has utility with that healing

[full bolt]

Yup

[unreal vapor]

Also she can have her final addition pretty soon

[full bolt]

Her only weakness imo is her final addition SP

50 is really low

[unreal vapor]

Yep it really is

[full bolt]

So I mostly play her with the Dancing Dagger

[unreal vapor]

That "fix" it somewhat

Or you can equip Super Spirit Ring

100SP every turn

It's one of the ultimate accesories

[full bolt]

3 hit for 2DLVL instead of 4 hit so it's still better 😅

Yeah but I have no money xD

I have 3 000g and I never farmed for money on special monsters

[unreal vapor]

Truth
Sometimes I forgot than I cheated 🤣

3k is fine with no farming

[full bolt]

Yeah but buying healing items is not free :p

[unreal vapor]

Indeed

What about purifiers? (Mind, body, depetrify...)
Did you need a lot for random encounters?

[full bolt]

I never use them

If I need to purify something I go special xD

[unreal vapor]

My major concern is disc 1, when additions give you poorly SP like 10

It felt almost impossible to reach special

[full bolt]

You get the magic signet stone quite early

So it's pretty free for most of the random encounters

You rarely encounter more than 2 enemies

So you stunlock 1 for 3 turn, you burst the other one

The only threat in random encounters in disc 1 IMO is the multi target magic they can use when in red health

Like the merman in the marsh or the flower thing in the dragon nest

[unreal vapor]

Yep

Good to know every tip

[sly yoke]

Yes, it was very very messy and it took a lot of tries (which I resorted using the +speed/fast forward feature which I was only using during grinding). It all came to pure luck on whether Miranda would rez from Angel robe...... every turn.

[sly yoke]

I am just before last S Virage/Faust?, and 8 Ult bosses killed (Lvl 42 or 43), I didnt play yesterday

[full bolt]

I'm not sure i'll bother trying then, I have only 1 dragon helm, I think I remember you already had 3 at this point

[sly yoke]

If you go to where real faust is, you can get another free without engaging him

As long as you have the vanishing stone

[full bolt]

Oh yes that's true !

@iron bone The Divine Dragon spirit disappear after Mayfil like in retail or we can go back later to fight him ?

[iron bone]

will disappear for now but not in final release

[full bolt]

Ok, thanks i'll go get the dragon helm and give it a few tries

[iron bone]

im removing all missables

[unreal vapor]

Awesome

[unreal vapor]

Wow

[full bolt]

The DD spirit having his revenge proc 3 attack in a row when he's red 😭 🫠

[unreal vapor]

Is this normal @iron bone ? I didn´t beat Grand Jewel yet

[iron bone]

what's normal?

yes those are all t he correction options

ultimate boss only activates when you have acquired lloyd

[solemn vessel]

Heyy there. Couple questions. One of the new additions to the beta was dragoon item magic. When is that unlocked if I may ask? And also, i noticed with the beta when i go to spam the throw items with my controller. which is the A button since im using a xbox controller, I can only seem to get up to about the 130% range. Is this a issue with me or possible something else? Thanks again.

[full bolt]

It depends of the character, most of them unlock them Dlvl 3 or 4 I think

[solemn vessel]

ahh okay that answers that part cool. Thanks.

[full bolt]

And for the other part... I had the same issue but you can choose an option that mash for you and set you to 256

[unreal vapor]

Dragoon item magic? that´s disabled

The only thing I know is the "item magic spell"

[full bolt]

I meant this

[unreal vapor]

Yep

[solemn vessel]

Yea thats what im talking about. Like i didnt know if dart got "burn out" for instance.

[unreal vapor]

Okay perfect, it was weird for me that the ¿? disappeared

[unreal vapor]

Yep they all got their respective element

[solemn vessel]

Cool so i just have to get his Dlvl higher to unlock it i assume.

[full bolt]

Yes

[solemn vessel]

Going through the settings now and i found that mash option so thats cool. I noticed some options like Equip effects in dragoon and dragoon item and guard menu. Are these meant to be turned on for hell mode? I want to play the mode as intended so im curious since they are disabled by default.

[unreal vapor]

Bug, Miranda´s just dissapeared from my game

HAHAHAH

@iron bone I didn´t touch anything

[unreal vapor]

They auto turn on when the time comes, don´t worry about it (this only happens in the beta)

[shrewd cypress]

Mash is normal behavior, just to clarify. That issue in particular might be a core SC issue, so I asked monoxide in the other channel about it.

[unreal vapor]

Her party flag is set to 0x0

(I checked debug just to see what happened)

Shana removed if you click on the option

[solemn vessel]

i turned on the auto so ill just let it do its thing but i do appreciate it lol

[iron bone]

who?
???

[unreal vapor]

Yep, who for real

xD

But don´t joke on this, is really a bug

xDDDD

I´m only complaining because I want my equipment back

[iron bone]

certain options are disabled, i.e inventory size

[iron bone]

add ??? back with debug menu. set ??? party flag to 0x3.

[full bolt]

Finally

But eh, without the full gamble set, I don't know how it's beatable right now 😅

[unreal vapor]

Gotcha

[full bolt]

Shana and Meru had the 30% evade build and Albert the Ankh to get some free revives

[unreal vapor]

Nice ^^

[full bolt]

The powerful magic he can use are so busted

[iron bone]

my party no evasion for that boss

[full bolt]

Even full live Shana take 85% of her HP

[iron bone]

same level 👀

[full bolt]

Really, how did you defeat it xD

I don't understand

[unreal vapor]

@iron bone OH IT WAS YOU ALL THE TIME

The ??? option is to remove HER

You´re a demon

xD

[iron bone]

I almost thought about putting her potrait as ?

[unreal vapor]

I´m ok with that tho

xDDDD

[unreal vapor]

Better option: Who?

xDDD

[unreal vapor]

How could you be at that level against Dragon ghost?

[full bolt]

?

What do you mean

[unreal vapor]

Ok I´m going against optional Virage

xD I hope I can survive the fight

[full bolt]

He's a joke don't worry

[unreal vapor]

Nice

[full bolt]

just spam shield and gg

[unreal vapor]

Like in retail

[full bolt]

yup

BTW I didn't have the Shana healing penalty against the DD spirit (thank god)

[unreal vapor]

Nice, it solved then?

Or do you have it from time to time

[iron bone]

https://tenor.com/bCDPL.gif

[unreal vapor]

CONFESS

[full bolt]

IDK, I only used Shana for DD spirit tho so... Maybe I was lucky 🤷‍♂️

[iron bone]

For about...

50% of the boss battles I wouldn't even use all 8 angel's prayers that I would typically prepare.

[unreal vapor]

Okay, important, have 8 angel´s prayers

Btw I bought evade shoes, whatever they called, in Wingly Forest xD

[full bolt]

I would really like to see a record of one of your boss battle, you seem to play a really different way than how Molting and I did

[unreal vapor]

Now I can be more safe of your bosses

[unreal vapor]

Yep, Zoss gameplay would be amazing to see

[iron bone]

I was considering "Can you beat Zychronix" challenge for Hell Mode and giving 50% more gold if you were 1-2+/- of my level and beat the boss faster than me.

[hasty atlas]

bro i increased my inventory limit by 8 so i could speedrun some sp to SHANA and when i got out of the fight my magic sig stone disappeared 🙁 LMAO

[full bolt]

Everyone would go Rose/Haschel/Albert with dodge build ahah

But that would be fun 😄

[iron bone]

hell mode locks inventory size because it is behind additional content. you'll have to use debug menu to get it back or a previous save.

[unreal vapor]

Yep that team´s pretty solid

[hasty atlas]

yeah i just loaded an earlier save cus i forgot to grab stardust on the queen fury anyways

[unreal vapor]

Super Virage didn´t give me any level

Like wt

wtf*

I´m 26 right know

[iron bone]

you should be fine i was 24 when i did the grand jewel

[unreal vapor]

Then I´m good

[iron bone]

now i want to know what level i was in old hell mode

[unreal vapor]

And of course I´ll be, I cheated xD now is time to destroy the boss with Albert´s special

[hasty atlas]

meanwhile i was struggling with lenus @ 21 RAHHH

lmfao

[iron bone]

lenus 1?

[hasty atlas]

tbf tho i didnt play this game for like almost 10 years then just came back haha

[iron bone]

the hate has shifted from 1 -> 2 is the general consensus

[unreal vapor]

Anyway you can´t re-add (??? woman) unless you put her party flag again with debugger, a bit... weird but xD I just give you my feedback about it

[hasty atlas]

the party i used had no magic defense

so lunus counter attack hit harrdddd

lenus 1

[unreal vapor]

Lenus 1 is EASY. Lenus 2 on the other hand... omg that bitch leveled up

[full bolt]

I had more trouble with Lenus 1 but both were pretty ok imo

[hasty atlas]

what level were you when you played it? i might just suck haha

lenus 1 is nightmare if you have shitty mag defense

[iron bone]

is lenus 1 really a problem with shitty mag defense 😛

[hasty atlas]

i kinda just jumped into that fight after having heavy phys attack defense build and it was rough i had dart dead at end of fight and no angels prayers left when i finally finish her off

[full bolt]

You won first try ?

It wasn't a nightmare if you did 👀

[iron bone]

no the third

[hasty atlas]

i grinded levels so it didnt feel like a real victory LMAO

you guys have me feeling bad about my game knowledge lmfao

[unreal vapor]

Just use Dart Shana and... maybe Albert? idk

[hasty atlas]

now i must become good

[sly yoke]

I 100% had access to ultimate boss upon first entry, killed first Ult at level 27 before I even began exploring and then returned at level 30 to do Ult 2+3 for 36 slot.

[unreal vapor]

You only really need Dart with special

[hasty atlas]

what level did you fight her at?

[unreal vapor]

Let me check

[full bolt]

How everyone feels about Kamuy

[unreal vapor]

Level 22

[full bolt]

I would agree about dart special but only to finish her

Because she gets way too much turn if you transform

[unreal vapor]

Anyway just ask Luplow and Molting about real strategy

[lean sentinel]

Why, in the best try I'm doing in Lenus 2, a healing breeze MISSED ROSE?

WHAT?

[unreal vapor]

I cheated with overpowered weapons xD

[hasty atlas]

ah yeah 1 level difference lmao skill issue on my part

[full bolt]

We found another curse xD

[hasty atlas]

ohhh i havent gotten any weapons through debugger or anything

[unreal vapor]

WTF healing breeze miss??

[lean sentinel]

Yeah

MISSED, and no heal done

[hasty atlas]

only thing ive used debug on is game speed sometimes

[lean sentinel]

So... I feel robbed

[unreal vapor]

I just gave myself infinite gold, then bought all equipment

xD

Also max d-levels and all additions mastered

[hasty atlas]

damn ive been grinding my ass off for that LMAO

meru doesnt unlock additions quick enough tbh

[unreal vapor]

In reality there´s no need of grinding at all

[unreal vapor]

Yep I´m stuck with her second addition

[hasty atlas]

i only do it for dlevels

same!

[full bolt]

I checked, I defeated Lenus 1 with Albert Dart Shana lvl 21 and Dlvl3

[unreal vapor]

10k damage against Grand Jewel with Albert´s special HHAHAHAH

This is going to be fun

[hasty atlas]

i swear this said 1 mil at first and i was like WHAT

[full bolt]

Same

[unreal vapor]

Yeah sorry about that xD

[hasty atlas]

this mod makes dragoon play so much more relevant i love it

[full bolt]

It's not anymore Legend of additions

[hasty atlas]

thankfully lol im tired of additions ngl

this run is making me dislike them

[unreal vapor]

Goodbye boss

xD

[full bolt]

You're using the ouroboros ?

[unreal vapor]

Not really, only Twister Glaive

With Special it did 10k (obviously with Power up)

[lean sentinel]

Okay, Lenus 2 at 80 HP and I died due to that bug

That felt really bad

[full bolt]

Honestly

[unreal vapor]

WTF what bug

[full bolt]

You should have used debugger to heal Rose

[lean sentinel]

The Missed heal

[full bolt]

Since it's just a bug, not your fault

[unreal vapor]

Oh

[lean sentinel]

I don't even know how to use the debugger

[full bolt]

f12

It's really useful to know def/mdef

[iron bone]

once i find that heal bug i will send out an update

[full bolt]

It doesn't seem to be the same as I have tho 🤔

But it's worse 😭

At least I get some heal

[lean sentinel]

Shana did Healing Breeze, Lenus 2, Albert/Shana/Rose, heal everyone except for Rose, MISSED

In case that helps

[unreal vapor]

The funny thing at not having Miranda at the team, is every time the game reset party flag, it kicks out Shana from party and replace her with Dart, leaving you without Shana and Miranda, so...

[lean sentinel]

Did the debugger thing, I would've won, just needed that heal

[iron bone]

i thought we fixed the main SC miss bug on players

maybe this is something else

[full bolt]

It seems to always be related to Shana/???

[unreal vapor]

@iron bone you should add the possibility to re-add Miranda from DraMod menu, instead of going through debugger

[lean sentinel]

More things that happened - I did night raid and changed element of Lenus when she was alone already

But she was back to water element

Dunno what else would matter

[unreal vapor]

There are people who don´t wanna or don´t know how to do that

@lean sentinel they return to their element after x amount of turns

That´s normal

[lean sentinel]

I know

But I'm trying to add info to try and find the bug

[unreal vapor]

They are cursed

xD

[lean sentinel]

😢

[full bolt]

It's ok, Rose isn't 😄

[unreal vapor]

Rose had back luck haha

Never encountered that kind of bug, for real

Okay time to sleep for me, tomorrow I´ll continue against Divine Dragon (normal, alive), let´s see how it goes

[unreal vapor]

Divine parts doesn´t take damage, even throwing Divine Dragon a Psyche Bomb (I bought a few)

[full bolt]

It's intended

They are invincible

[unreal vapor]

xD I see

My strategy went out hahahah

Anyway this dragon´s easy

xD

[iron bone]

yeah dd is easy which is why it is on the watchlist

grand jewel i omega nerfed because of the healing but i think most are skipping that part anyways

[unreal vapor]

Grand Jewel is easy because of Albert's weapon and special

Also the fact you can de-transform anytime

[unreal vapor]

It's better that way
In retail he's easy if you kill the parts too

[iron bone]

nah dd cannon needs 2x speed

[full bolt]

Maybe Zackwell could get a little buff

He felt really weak

[unreal vapor]

Truth
Except Lenus 2 and Kamuy, every other boss from CD-2 and 3 feel weak

Idk about Lloyd

I'm going to troll him with dragoon strat

And Polter Armor should be easy with Sharanda, but again idk

[lean sentinel]

Kamuy second try. Fair fight!

[full bolt]

When did you fight him ? second try is nice 👌

[lean sentinel]

Just reached cd3

So, right when you can fight him

[full bolt]

Really nice then !

[lean sentinel]

He felt really fair - stun had me in dragoon form 60% of the time, so I could ignore it for the most part, his aoe attacks did way less damage than Regole's, and he wasn't as fast (or didn't do the insta turn as much as other bosses)

Balanced fight

[unreal vapor]

You had good RNG
The first turn he did light aoe and almost killed all my party

XD

It's "balanced" in the sense that is hard but no impossible

[unreal vapor]

New ? monster @iron bone

Visual bug, the HP bar is blue and yellow

[high pebble]

The heart

[unreal vapor]

I know, but it´s not specified in the pinned message so, I´ve to let Z know

[high pebble]

Ohhhh

Ive been so busy i havent had the time to keep up

[unreal vapor]

Np ^^

[full bolt]

It's not that the bar is blue and yellow

It's that the blue is the heart health bar

Oh, so we unlock dragoon guard lvl 6, that's nice

[unreal vapor]

Oooh okay

[unreal vapor]

Yep

Ok I´m going against Lloyd

New strategy: make use of elemental bomb to give him thunder and slay with Haschel xD

[full bolt]

I think there is a softlock if you put Indora's health to 0 while having Kongol in counter stance 🤔

[unreal vapor]

Bug, Lloyd doesn´t turn into thunder element

[full bolt]

There's still music but I can't do anything

[unreal vapor]

I´m going to record it

@iron bone

[unreal vapor]

Why did you put Indora´s health to 0? you mean... you killed Indora with counter stance active and that happened?

[full bolt]

Yes

I have a crash log @iron bone should I put it here ?

[unreal vapor]

Guess we´re finding More and More bugs (pun intended)

[unreal vapor]

Do it, it will be helpful for him

[full bolt]

I copy pasted it in a notepad, i'll just wait for his answer 👌

[unreal vapor]

I hope I can kill Lloyd in less than 20 minutes

[full bolt]

Maybe he'll kill you in less than 20 minutes :p

But he's not that much of a threat if you use the talisman

[unreal vapor]

Of course I´m with Talisman xD

[full bolt]

I don't think this is related to counter stance, I tried to do exactly the same thing and I had no issue this time, i'll post in player-help then

[unreal vapor]

Time for revenge

[full bolt]

Michael core have the "?" issue

[unreal vapor]

I didn´t remember that you can de-transform manually after each action xD so Lloyd can be cheated that way haha

[unreal vapor]

Pretty balanced and fun fight
But I've should used Kongol with his counter stance
With his speed he'll stay forever in dragoon
Maybe the next time

[full bolt]

I went to check the achievement screen

It seems that defeating the 4 old dragoons doesn't unlock this one

[iron bone]

yes

[full bolt]

I also sent it in player-help since I didn't manage to get softlocked again so I thought maybe it wasn't related to your mod

[iron bone]

base sc's problem

[sweet wyvern]

Are you trying to reboot registries?

[iron bone]

no, i don't touch that code it only happens on startup

dramod registers every item in it's folders after preload state is over then it doesn't touch it again

[sweet wyvern]

I don't understand what's going on there

That's part of the initial boot process

How could it fail in the middle of a battle?

[iron bone]

🤷‍♂️

[iron bone]

so i thought people would hate zackwell because his fire skull thingamajig can do like 7k

[full bolt]

Yeah but that's his only threatening attack

[iron bone]

my uh not changing story boss scripts is haunting me

[full bolt]

Imago needed 3 tries because of the RNG of its can't combat move

[iron bone]

i left disc 4 mostly alone

what level were you for zackwell

[full bolt]

Same as for DD spirit so 39 I believe

[iron bone]

but then again the dragoons are stronger from old hell mode

[full bolt]

Rose/Albert/Meru Dlvl5

[iron bone]

eh that's fine

in old hell mode they would have been... level 45 at that point

[sly yoke]

It took me 29 Xp-Fausts to get 60 (I think? Because once you hit 60 the kill counter sets to 1000). I ended up deciding to buy Ouroboros instead of Meru's ultimate weapon.... and with it Real Faust was a literal joke. I did 51k in Albert special with Power up/down per attack. He died on Albert's 4th turn in the fight.... Someone said Real Faust was meant to be fought at 60 >:[

[iron bone]

yeah ultimate weapons are for the ultimate bosses

the normal story bosses do not have that bloat

you're telling me you farmed 40k for one and i need to raise the price higher is what i read

[sly yoke]

I didn't farm 40k... I had almost 35k by the time I got to moon S.Virage, 8 Ult bosses helped too

I assume you mean that the Ultimate weapons are meant for the Ult bosses not yet implemented? Real Faust is considered story boss 😕 ?

Who was I supposed to use an Ultimate weapon on if not Real Faust!? 😭

[unreal vapor]

Real Faust is not Ultimate Faust

??

I think

Real Faust is Faust retail, just buffed like every other boss with the mod, right?

@iron bone what about Lloyd's element that doesn't change with powerful aoe item??

[unreal vapor]

Ultimate Faust is meant for level 60

Of course at level 60 you'll wipe the floor with grandpa Faust, he's hard but not that hard

[unreal vapor]

Talisman and Rose's head piece help with that

[sly yoke]

......how do I fight Ultimate Faust. The "Next Ultimate Boss" function stopped working once I beat the 8th Ultimate, I assumed that was because the others are not implemented 😕

[iron bone]

now that i can easily change boss scripts i am adjusting them

faust with psyche bomb x will be lit

[sweet wyvern]

I would like to formally apologize to everyone for giving him this ability

[iron bone]

difficulty for the final 3 (faust,zieg/s.virage) were lowered to differentiate from UB versions

the only story boss that is changed to an ultimate boss will be melbu but i haven't got that far yet so he just has random numbers

[unreal vapor]

The others are not implemented in the beta

Readme specified that (I remember this, yes) 🤣

[unreal vapor]

WHY BOSS, WHY

[unreal vapor]

Do you want us dead or something 💔

[iron bone]

that won't even be the worst part of new faust

faust with a can't combat ability 🥰

[small root]

oh no

[iron bone]

faust always picking the opposite element of one of your characters 😍

faust swapping between DF/MDF randomly during battle

[unreal vapor]

You're evil

[unreal vapor]

Mmmm no 🤣

[unreal vapor]

WTF ARE YOU DOING

Stop

💔

[tired orbit]

make a custom spell coward

[iron bone]

Teach me master.

[cursive pebble]

dramod available yet? jw

[sweet wyvern]

#📡updates

[cursive pebble]

thank you and sorry i dnt check much anymore been busy with 2 jobs and family. thx again!

[tired orbit]

@iron bone do you know how to pop current screen in button click callback

its fine to pop current screen in screen input handlers

but button = illegal

[sweet wyvern]

this.deferAction

You should always defer the pop until the next frame, even in input handlers

You could cause other handlers to fail otherwise

[tired orbit]

mr. severed chains himself to the rescue

[iron bone]

Yeah it was still borked

[unreal vapor]

@iron bone I´m in Aglis, after Savan´s trials, now it doesn´t let me re-add Lavitz, each time I click the option, only tells "removed"

[iron bone]

I love bit masks

It must have set it to like 0x43 or something

[unreal vapor]

Bit masks??

I know how I can add him through debugger, but I´m complaining about DraMod menu xD

Because it´s the first time it happened to me

[full bolt]

Oh btw in Aglis, Rouge shop is not available after the map where everyone goes to create the psyche bomb

If you return on the maps before, it's available

[unreal vapor]

@full bolt I´m at that exact sub map hahahah thanks for telling

In fact this is the map where Psyche bomb was created

xDDDD

Weird

[unreal vapor]

I threw Psyche bomb x against him and didn´t change to "grey" @iron bone

Also why do you nerfed bomb damage so hard 🙁 now it´s not use, even with power up and down

[iron bone]

have you restarted the mod since lloyd?

uh

unless i accidently fixed psyche bomb's x damage

it should be the same as normal psyche bomb

[unreal vapor]

It was something like 2k against this monster, and I had power up and down

Psyche bomb used to instakill monsters xD now it´s trash

[unreal vapor]

Yes, I did

Strange, given that Last Kraken was affected by Psyche bomb x and changed element

But this random monster no

And Lloyd´s also nope

So...

I don´t really understand what´s happening or how many monsters are "bugged" like this

[iron bone]

no they both do the same amount of damage, i didn't buff or nerf it.

[unreal vapor]

Ok no problem xD I don´t care about that anymore, because is a balance made by you, on the other hand, not element changing... that´s a bug

[iron bone]

oh god that lloyd attack is bugged af.

hmmmge

[unreal vapor]

WTF

Yep it´s bugged for sure, I recorded it, you saw what happened to me xD

[iron bone]

someone is dividing in that dome rendering code

[unreal vapor]

Ok again Psyche Bomb X didn´t change enemies´s elements

In this case:

First ultimate boss

[iron bone]

wait you are on 1.2 right..?

[unreal vapor]

Yes sir

I´m on the last update you made

[iron bone]

🧐

[unreal vapor]

@full bolt @sly yoke can you check if this first ultimate boss changes their element when using AOE powerful item like Psyche Bomb X please?

Btw here is already late, I´m going to bed, tomorrow I´ll continue with it whenever I can

[lean sentinel]

The usual "guard until it explodes" strategy works in HellMode? Hehehehe

[unreal vapor]

Yes

[lean sentinel]

Alright, thanks 😄

[lean sentinel]

Again. Grand Jewel. Healing Breeze with Miranda - no heal. Or at least EXTREMELY LOW heal, I couldn't see if it missed or what

On everyone this time

Okay, now I saw it. Twice in a row. Heals for 200~ instead of half hp

[iron bone]

the next version will have logging nearly everywhere in that attack method

[solemn vessel]

So in the beta mod every now and then i noticed my enemies take like a instance of bleed or dot damage and im curious whats applying that

[hasty atlas]

anyone know what the catch is with this ? lmao

[iron bone]

are you talking about the orange numbers?

[solemn vessel]

Yes

[iron bone]

that's damage to shields

[solemn vessel]

Like a number shows up next to the health bar

Oh shields I must of missed that part

[hasty atlas]

anyone know if the hydro hammer 0 attack stat is a bug or intentional ?

[iron bone]

intentional

[hasty atlas]

does it use her magic attack stat or something?

[iron bone]

no

[full bolt]

I'm starting the zone 2 Ultimate bosses

4. Sandora Elite - 159,600 HP

The Sandora Elite doesn't have the same HP value as in the readme (or maybe the readme include his shield ?)

[full bolt]

Hmm, the value is right for Drake without the shield so I guess it's something you forgot to change ?

[iron bone]

i didn't edit the readme

[lean sentinel]

Hmmm... what?

I did Spectral Flash to Divine Dragon

Changed its element to Light

And Miranda started doing 12.5k damage per dark arrow in dragoon form

Killed him in less than 4 turns

Is that intended?

First Divine Dragon, to clarify

[iron bone]

DD is notoriously weak to magic for some reason anyways i'll be unnerfing and rebalancing some disc 3/4 bosses

[lean sentinel]

Alright!

[hasty atlas]

what level did everyone fight kamuy at?

[tired orbit]

55

[full bolt]

I did it before the Divine dragon so 28

[unreal vapor]

I don't remember, need to check

[unreal vapor]

DD always been
It has low magic defense

[austere bridge]

Do you change up the boss behaviors a lot or is it mostly stat reworks? Curious how much people could rely on vanilla behavior/the behavior doc for navigating DM

Also this thought popped into my head for a april fool's update; have Faust pull out the legendary: Human Block Staff. Blocks human power the same way DBS does for going Dragoon, so being out of dragoon puts you in mortal danger xD

[unreal vapor]

Don't do that please hahahha

[iron bone]

🧐

it's all the same i decided not to make main story fancy and save it for ultimate boss

give players extra dragoon content that way

[unreal vapor]

@iron bone why you included cutscene when defeating Urobolus (ultimate)?

xD

[iron bone]

I never looked into how to remove that

[unreal vapor]

Okay xD np

[tired orbit]

script

[iron bone]

Like is it the monster script itself

[tired orbit]

ya

[sly yoke]

As soon as I arrived in Furni, lvl 26 for me

[silk ledge]

Had a WEIRD audio glitch occur: Fighting Syuveil and had Kongol use his "Earth Attack" spell on him. At the end of the attack animation, Syuveil randomly yelled "Gaspless!"

[iron bone]

his attack was precharged 😆

[hasty atlas]

i was 24 and got melted lmao

i might be bad at de gaem lmfao

[chilly smelt]

Heya guys! I know it might be asking a lot, but does anyone have a guide to Dragoon Modifier? I got it up and running with help from ChatGPT, but Chat's knowlege on what it can do it...spotty at best. Like it was telling me I can change statuses and stats, and add/remove items from inventory, but I think it was talking out its digital backside.

[iron bone]

Do you want to use it to create mods or play the mods created with it (currently only hell mode is available in a beta)

[chilly smelt]

More trying to understand the enhancements listed in the existing 3.5.5 version. Like the Early Additions and Addition Level up. Neither seemed to be doing anything when toggled on.

[iron bone]

Early additions shifts when the characters unlock their additions. It is made in a way so that you can play the game with all characters at level 1.

Addition level up just means your additions will automatically level up in battle if it meets the requirements.

[chilly smelt]

Ah, gotcha.

And No Dart mode, I'm guessing requires you to be at a place where Dart isn't the only available character.

Or does it just let you remove him from the party in the Replace menu?

[iron bone]

You can remove him any time.

[chilly smelt]

Gotcha. Yeah, I wanna do something different, where I keep Dart with 0 SP until he learns Madness Hero, because MH's only thing is BIG SP. Perfect for Dragoon level up, but by the time you get it in normal gameplay, he'll have been maxed out for a long time.

[radiant scaffold]

Hi, I was wondering if anyone could help me with playing the hell mode on a mac. I downloaded version 3.0 a few weeks ago, and everything worked well, but when I download this, the Launch file defaults to open with textedit instead of the terminal, but even if I run it with the terminal, its not doing anything

[iron bone]

intel mac or arm mac?

actually just try extracting this to the folder and overwrite the existing launch and download-java

[radiant scaffold]

Hey @iron bone Thanks for helping me! Its an intel mac. I replaced those files in the folder, and the launch runs now, but it gets this error at the end

Error: Could not find or load main class legend.game.Main
Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: legend.game.Main
logout

[iron bone]

can you screenshot your folder for me please?

[radiant scaffold]

Like this?

[iron bone]

oh sorry

try this

[radiant scaffold]

Its working now. Thank you so much! You're amazing!

[iron bone]

i'll update all linux and macos to use tar next update this weekend(?) so it keeps the file permissons on the launch file

[radiant scaffold]

Cool, haha thanks again for the help and for making this! im so excited to play it

[cosmic fern]

Does the new hell mode release include the percentage Boosts for Sharandas attack?

[unreal vapor]

What percentage boost? The only thing I saw was Elemental Arrows

Btw @iron bone I have something to say I dislike about how shield works
Let me explain
If an enemy has like 1 HP of shield and you do 100 damage (example), I think is not fair to only delete the shield and not do also damage besides that
Because the bosses have like too many HP and it's hard to deplete it, specially at the beginning, when you don't have many tools to do great damage

[full bolt]

I believe they are talking about this :
"Shana's final total AT stat is multiplied in the following scenarios
x1.4 when equipping Detonate Arrow
If Detonate Arrow is not equipped
x2.15 when level is above 28
x1.9 when level is above 20
x1.6 when level is above 10"

[unreal vapor]

@full bolt okay I didn't know about that

[iron bone]

yes Shana's AT is boosted still

[iron bone]

the shield does not work like that. if you have 1 (100) and you do 99 damage you'll kill the enemy

if you have 5000 (1000) hp and do 1250 damage you'll end up with 4750 hp left..

[sweet wyvern]

Surprised you haven't come up with a use for mhit yet since it isn't actually used ingame 😛

[iron bone]

well apparently i have because the healing items are missing again

😛

[sweet wyvern]

Welp

[tired orbit]

its fine as long as power down does not power up the enemy

(summoning @shrewd cypress)

[shrewd cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/rita-powerrangers-welcome-surprise-gif-5303725

......

https://tenor.com/view/rita-repulsa-power-rangers-headache-mmpr-mighty-morphin-power-rangers-gif-1847864577088111277

[sweet wyvern]

Thought that was a bazooka at first

[hasty atlas]

you doing this in hell mode?

[chilly smelt]

Nah.

[hasty atlas]

i thought the only version of dragoon modifier available for severed chains was forced hell mode but i might be wrong

[sweet wyvern]

For the devbuild yes

The old version still works with the old version of SC

[unreal vapor]

Really?? Then I didn't given good atention to it, or maybe I've encountered a bug

But I can recall doing 10k damage to an enemy with only 5k and a little shield, and it surviving that

[hasty atlas]

what shield are you guys talking about lmao

like the item?

obviously my bad im stoned

xD

[unreal vapor]

The enemies´s shield, the one next to their HP bar

Number inside ( )

[hasty atlas]

ohhh i see

okay i was confused about that a little as well

is there a way to figure out when kamuy is gonna counter attack

[unreal vapor]

Np ^^ feel free to ask, is better for me, so then I can practise dialogue with someone xD

[unreal vapor]

I don´t really know, there is a doc when all the enemies actions are specified, let me search the page

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Wy4S8o8ok7STUrXe03rio228gmRqjNYuEq9VPsF5GR8/edit?tab=t.0

There you have

[hasty atlas]

thank you !

[unreal vapor]

You´re welcome ^^

[hasty atlas]

does material shield only work for one turn in this mod?

hell mode i mean

[iron bone]

Still 3 turns

[hasty atlas]

hmm i thought only one turn had gone by but i was grinding for arrows on fast mode so it probably just slipped my mind

[chilly smelt]

I’m using Dragoon Modifer on Retroarch

[unreal vapor]

I missed this 🥲

[unreal vapor]

Changing elements doesn´t work with Imago

[tired orbit]

oh yeah y'all just change enemy element to earth and then use albert right?

thats what I was missing LOL

[unreal vapor]

Nope

I tried to change it to light

xD

[tired orbit]

i mean for other enemies

[unreal vapor]

Why Imago was so powerful lmao

[unreal vapor]

Idk, I´m doing other things, but that´s a good strategy for sure, anyway it doesn´t work for me

@iron bone where on the Moon you can return to earth?

[iron bone]

the map after archangel

[unreal vapor]

Gotcha ^^

[shrewd cypress]

test

@cosmic fern here

[cosmic fern]

@iron bone Hey dude! Is it possible to edit the hell mode files for the new dev release?

[iron bone]

yeah

[unreal vapor]

I have the healing penalty with Miranda after dying against light beam of Moon´s Super Virage @iron bone 🥲

At least she can heal fully in her dragoon form

[iron bone]

i have 12 hours of podcast tomorrow

🙏

[unreal vapor]

What xD

[iron bone]

🧐

[unreal vapor]

Yep, you have to fix this weird bug xD

Also, you didn´t have to put that insane amount of HP to Super Virage, damn fight

@full bolt how did you defeat Super Virage on Moon?

[full bolt]

I didn't, yet

[tired orbit]

i recommend level 113 and giving super virage script of vampire kiwi

nevermind vampire kiwi too op use berserk mouse

[unreal vapor]

S Virage does too much damage

It doesn´t matter the team I use

I´m going to go off Moon, to see if doing more ultimate bosses I can level up

[full bolt]

Isn't super virage supposed to be fought lvl 60 ? 🤔

[unreal vapor]

I´m gonna try Faust first

[full bolt]

You should xp on Moon Faust

[unreal vapor]

I don´t know, I´m talking about the one on the Moon

Story boss

It shouldn´t be too much difficult, but... idk

[unreal vapor]

Before that I must do the other ultimate bosses xD

[tired orbit]

hard mode last trio required level 60

idk if zy nerfed svirage and zieg

[unreal vapor]

xD he clearly doesn´t

It´s impossible at level 40 (my current level)

I guess I´m gonna do the other ultimate bosses and then farm Faust until I level up to 60

Then I´ll do normal Faust, and finally the last bosses

@iron bone Can you move Guard and Dragoon comands behind D-additions and spells? because it´s a bit troublesome to select them everytime because of these commands being before

[crisp magnet]

Hiya—I don't have much in the way of bug reports or anything. Just wanted to say thanks to the creator of this mod! It's the closest I've felt to playing LoD for the first time again. Like, dreading bosses like Virage and Doel like I was when I was seven haha. Thanks for your hard work!

[hasty atlas]

dang youre already on the moon haha

im about to fight DD

[cosmic fern]

Hey there! I can’t get the options in gameplay to save

[unreal vapor]

Prepare yourself for Lenus 2 and Kamuy xD

[unreal vapor]

Yep hahaha I´ve sped up a bit

[unreal vapor]

@iron bone who's easier, Moon Faust or Story Faust?

Just to know what I must do once I defeat the last three ultimate bosses from the beta

[iron bone]

moon faust is the original faust from normal mode

[unreal vapor]

I see
Then I'll farm him

[iron bone]

what your editing might be a hard coded value in dramod. you can edit some things but it is not recommended to edit hard/hell mode datasets. if you want something custom you'll have to wait for full release.

speaking of 108. 108 attacks to track now!

balance has been restored.

[unreal vapor]

I fear your meaning of "balance"

[crisp magnet]

Dawg I'm still heading to Home of Gigantos. Let me dread Lenus I first LOL

[unreal vapor]

Hahhahaha I´ll give you that

[iron bone]

new disc 3 is a bit more wild working on disc 4 next.

[hasty atlas]

i had a harder time with lenus 1 than two this playthrough lmao

kamuy was a monster though took me like 6 tries

bro is just way too fast lol

[unreal vapor]

Really? for me Lenus 1 was easy xD

[hasty atlas]

for me lenus 1 took like 3 tries lenus 2 was 1st try. i just hard focused her then when she went down i went after regole

tbf tho my first try on lenus 1 was all woman party lmao

with not much equipment

[unreal vapor]

xD why did you make yourself such pain

[hasty atlas]

dont sleep on the all woman party lmao you get so much heals and spell damage xD

but i had no room for items

32 is so much more brutal than in vanilla xD

i know its the same amount but the impact of all the harder enemies and massive health pools makes it hard

[urban haven]

yo, where is the option for the customizable UI colour? I found it vacant on the hellmode release of severed chains.

[urban haven]

is there a link to this sheet? and/or a list of values such as the strength of d attacks by percentage. I remember that info being release on way older versions of dragoon modifier, wondering whats changed for the current version

[iron bone]

Nope

i locked down anything with division to say if player is defender and monster is attacker so maybe that's will fix the healing?

i also figured out why the physical d-attacks were astronomical so that feature i 4gor got a nerf

[crisp magnet]

Pardon? LOL

I wasn't aware I had joined the gooning community.

[unreal vapor]

Which goons? I've lost there XD

[unreal vapor]

Ask @iron bone he's the creator 🙈

[unreal vapor]

Hahaha I love them but for that boss, I think there are better teams

[unreal vapor]

Yep that's what happens

[iron bone]

it's in the debugger

[iron bone]

DraGOON is the only good kind of goon.

[urban haven]

is shana supposed to heal/have some sort of damage shield after using star children?

[iron bone]

she gets 100% healing after you exit dragoon form

[urban haven]

ahh okay

[urban haven]

so for haschels mechanic. I store thunder charges by doing additions and d attacks. I use D spark net or other D magic to transfer all of my charges to an opponent, and then D spark net again to do big damage when theyre at a max of 10 charges? Can also use any thunder attack item with anyone to inflict thunder charges?

[iron bone]

yes you can use thunder attack items on other characters

even enemies will self apply thunder charges when they used thunder based attacks

[crisp magnet]

Yeah... I see what you mean now. I hate this dragon so very much.

[unreal vapor]

Haha I warned you
That dragon is so unfair

[vivid moth]

playing through hellmode beta for the first time ever, and have had a fun, if terribly frustrating at times, experience. i enjoy the challenge overall, though the fact some random mobs out in the field are just not ever worth fighting was tough to learn, if easy to solve. have struggled the most with urobolus, greham/feyrbrand (i had two attempts on this one where one boss was dead and the other had been in the red for 3 turns, but ultimately i lost. exhilirating to finally beat, though.), and currently facing doel for the past day and a half.

my understanding is it's completely random what move he chooses to use, so when he does his hyper damage one multiple times in a row i've learned it's pretty much game over immediately. in my best attempt I got him to the red, but I do feel like that was just good rng of him not using that one move over and over again, and once he did so i lost very suddenly.

overall really enjoying it, but man doel is actually just kicking my ass. maybe he deserves to be emperor lol

[iron bone]

disc 3 and 4 reblance coming soon™

[unreal vapor]

I'll be out of the testing until my hype for Silksong decreases

[silk ledge]

Albert just did 43k with Wind Attack on Feybrand's Spirit ._.

[iron bone]

yeah there is an unintentional 1.5x multiplier for the person who specials.

[silk ledge]

Fucking one-shot the poor thing.

[urban haven]

does game speed multiplier only work in increments on 1? (for example, i cant have 1.5x game speed)

[urban haven]

also, i talked to this guy and now I think im stuck ^^

There's supposed to be an ultimate shop in the map with the researchers? I got an achievement "ultimate armory" the map before. Guess its a common problem?

[vivid moth]

have finally defeated doel, what a guy he was.

[chilly smelt]

Yeah, he is a struggle point for those who don’t know what to expect

[urban haven]

What's the intended dragoon level progression for hellmode? at doel with level 2 on everyone. Im peeping other people's doel experiences and theres a lot of very high dragoon level shana going on. Is that expected?

[iron bone]

2/3 for disc 1-3.

[iron bone]

Physical Damage Boost in Special
-For the character that used Dragoon Special their physical damage bonus has been reduced from 50% -> 15%.
-Kongol's damage boost for special has been reduced from 20% -> 15%.
-Dart's physical damage boost when using Firebrand has been increased from 10% -> 25%.

Dart
+Volcano 250%->300%
+Moon Strike 350%->500%
+Crush Dance Lv15->Lv13
+Madness Hero Lv22->Lv17
+Moon Strike Lv29->Lv20
+Fire Attack D.Lv7->D.Lv6

Lavitz/Albert
-Rod Typhoon Lv7->Lv10
-Gust of Wind Dance Lv11->Lv16
-Flower Storm 630%->525%
-Jade Attack  800%->690%
+At Dragoon level 5 Wing Blaster will apply 2 Wind Marks.
+Super Gaspless D.Lv6 - Wind STR 2380% / 120MP / 3 Wind Marks

Shana
+Elemental Arrows in Human Form 40%->60%
+Elemental Arrows in Dragon Form 55%->80%
+Elemental Arrows in Human Form while equipped with Elemental Arrow 80%->85%
+Light Arrow D.Lv6 - Light STR 550% / 50 MP

Rose
+More & More Lv14->Lv8
+Hard Blade Lv19->Lv17
+Demon's Dance changed from 50->70SP (140 SP for Hard mode)
+Dark Attack Lv7->Lv6 
 
Haschel
+Flurry of Styx Lv14->Lv5
+Summon 4 Gods Lv18->Lv10
+5 Ring Shattering Lv22->Lv15
+Hex Hammer Lv26->Lv20
+Enhanced Spark Net will now introduce Thunder Weakness on the enemy target for four turns.
 Thunder based attacks on the target will do 280% more damage during this time.

Meru
+Hammer Spin Lv21->Lv8
+Cool Boogie Lv26->Lv15
+Cat's Cradle Lv30->Lv21
+Perky Step changes from 50->60SP (120 SP for Hard Mode)
-Hoost (removed)

Kongoon
+Inferno Lv23->Lv17
+Meteor Strike will now provide 50% Protection Shield
+Earth Attack Lv7->Lv6

---Monster Adjustments---
Divine Dragon - HP has increased.
Divine Dragon Cannon - SPD has increased.
Grand Jewel - HP unerfed. 
Lloyd - HP/AT/MAT/SPD has increased.
Kubila - HP/AT has increased. MAT has decreased.
Selebus - HP/AT has increased.
Vector - HP/AT has increased.
Zackwell - AT has increased.
Imago - AT has increased.```

All characters now have a "SP" Spell that can only be unlocked using a weapon from the Black Castle Researchers.
Each level of the spell can only be used once per battle. The higher level SP Spells contains the effects of the lower levels.
These SP spells will replace the normal variant, will not appear in the menu, and can only be used if 100+SP Requirement is met.

Dart
+SP Flameshot X00SP/70MP Cost - D.Lv7
 100SP - Grants three additional Burn Stacks and deals 75% more damage.
 300SP - Applies a burn mark to the enemy. The next character who attacks will regain MP.
 500SP - Can't be used as a burn stack attack. Flameshot deals double damage.
 
Lavitz/Albert
+SP Wing Blaster -X00SP/70MP Cost - D.Lv7
 100SP - Allows Wind Marks to overcap and grants two additional Wind Marks. If the target already had Wind Marks this is added to the total.
 300SP - Deals 100% more damage.
 500SP - Instantly removes all turn meter from all targets.
 
Shana
+SP Star Children -X00SP/70MP Cost - D.Lv7
 100SP - Increased damage based on how many enemies are not present (55% per enemy not present up to a maximum of 4). 
 300SP - Applies a healing mark that will heal party members based on the damage they do.
 500SP - Applies another healing mark.
 
Rose
+SP Death Dimension -X00SP/70MP Cost - D.Lv7
 100SP - Increased damaged based on how many enemies are not present (55% per enemy not present up to a maximum of 4). 
 300SP - Lowers enemy damage by 10% for 1 turn.
 500SP - Siphon charge will be uncapped.

Haschel
+SP Thunder Kid -X00SP/70 MP Cost - D.Lv7
 100SP - Grants an additional Thunder Charge on the main target.
 300SP - Thunder Kid will deal damage to other enemies if they are present, this damage cannot kill enemies, otherwise will gain 50% damage.
 500SP - Thunder Kid will grant the same Thunder Weakness as Enhanced Spark Net.
 
Meru
+SP Diamond Dust-X00SP/70MP Cost - D.Lv7
 100SP - Creates the Diamond Field, only one can be activated at a time. All effects last for 1 turn and will override any existing effects. Enemies will take 50% of Diamond Dust's damage when they attack. The Party will be healed by 10% of Diamond Dust's damage when they attack.
 300SP - Grants the party Speed Up after they attack.
 500SP - Enemies will be debilitated with Speed Down after they attack.
 
Kongol
+SP Grand Stream-X00SP/70MP Cost - D.Lv7
 100SP - Reduces accuracy of enemies for 1 turn by 20%. 
 300SP - Grants 50% Protection Shield. Reduces accuracy of enemies for an additional turn. 
 500SP - Grants an additional 50% Protection Shield. Reduces accuracy of enemies for an additional turn.```

Soon™

[vivid moth]

can't speak for anyone else but i just brute forced it through many, many attempts. never missing additions, using my spirit potions and mana items on dart to build burn stacks to do big magic hits, and praying doel doesn't destroy me with mass aoe over and over again.

dart was level 3 dragoon, but that's just cause i was using his 4th addition for so long throughout act 1 that he was just miles ahead of everyone else sp wise. definitely the toughest fight i've had

[iron bone]

I wonder how many battles yall have done : 👀

[full bolt]

718 after the UB zone 2

[urban haven]

i got it on my second try. lv17 dragoon level 2. Just a lot of guarding and nuking tactically with rose, shana and dart. difficulty felt kinda perfect tbh, if a little steep on the spark nets.

[urban haven]

we out here spamming guard haha

guard being hotkeyable is much appreciated

[full bolt]

Well, it's "hell" mode 😅

[silk ledge]

Not sure if this is retail or not but.... fighting the last Super Virage, I defeated the arm with Dart, then I used Albert's D-Attack and after that, the Virage's Arm came back but it's not selectable and doesn't show up in the turn order.

[iron bone]

[silk ledge]

WHAT. THE. HELL.

[tired orbit]

thats without shields

[silk ledge]

Why does he only have 1 DF and MDF? ._.

[iron bone]

i actually don't know if that is enough HP

i didn't actually try it

it's supposed to be the ultimate boss version but that is not done yet

[silk ledge]

Wait, if that's the Ultimate boss version, why does that trigger when confronting him at the end of the game?

[iron bone]

i didn't change the submap script yet that's why

also the boss battle is supposed to use all 8 party members

[chilly smelt]

8?

[tired orbit]

Who?

[sweet wyvern]

Dart, Lavitz, Shana, Rose, Haschel, Albert, Meru, and Kongol

[cosmic fern]

Is guard weaker in hell mode? It’s supposed to be 10%, but I notice it’s a little lower?

[full bolt]

It's 8% I think

[chilly smelt]

Ohhh!

[solemn vessel]

so in the dragoon hell mode beta. When are we supposed to grind for the items sold at lohan out of curiosity

[iron bone]

disc 3 if you need it

[solemn vessel]

oh okay thanks. Yea i wasnt sure if you designed it for us to get them early sinc ethey are available but cool to know appreciate it.

fighting the unique monsters for the gold is a grindddd

lol

[urban haven]

got a crash at lenus, trying to use an angel prayer on haschel.

[iron bone]

did you get the logs?

[urban haven]

it generated a text file, should i dm it to you?

i also was recording, in case that helps lmao

[iron bone]

i just need the log files you can paste it here or dm me

[grizzled night]

I'm not sure if this is a DraMod or just base SC thing (or if I'm just being dumb and doing something wrong xD) but whenever I go to change some of the settings like elemental bomb/enrage or item total limits, the settings never stay. Like I'll set them while walking around in game, go into a fight, and whatever I set is gone and back to default.

(lesser problem, I also have to reselect the exact same sound setting I have too whenever I boot it up before I'll actually have in game sound)

[sweet wyvern]

What OS?

[grizzled night]

On the steamdeck

[elfin drum]

im on windows 11 and it does that to me as well, not the sound part

i do also have the mod for i believe battle rewards in as well

[iron bone]

hell mode locks in some settings. you will be able to change them in hard mode.

[grizzled night]

Ok cool, thank you 😊

[jaunty bobcat]

Is there a dragoon modifier for 3.0?

[iron bone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig6NOMeh8iI
Hell Mode only for now™

I am a few weeks behind the current devbuild.

[jaunty bobcat]

Aw, alright. I'll wait. The hard mode dragoons were enough for me lol. Took like 3 days

[urban haven]

so when should i be using the ultimate shop, and how do i get there? (black castle one, right?)

[iron bone]

ultimate boss stage 3 😛

not at all yet basically

soon™

[elfin drum]

i do not know if it was addressed yet but the bandits when you first fight mappi b4 the red eye spirit is stolen in the turn order are ?

[full bolt]

Known missing monsters: Crafty Thief, DD Ball, DD Cannon, Windigo Heart, Michael (core)
It is already known at least 👌

[elfin drum]

ah got ya

[urban haven]

i warped there and found out just how strong the stuff is haha. good to know

I think there's a bug with kongol's stance change and speed up. If i use a speed up and then enter the stance, when stance ends kongol has the speed up buff permanently (I think)

speed never goes down from 60

[iron bone]

🇧 lesss you noted.

[cedar path]

I think the sound thing is only on the Linux port, or possibly Steam deck. I also am playing on Steam deck and run into that minor issue.

[sweet wyvern]

@fallen kettle this is the thread for hell mode

[fallen kettle]

Magic, thank you!

[small root]

I had a thought that might be sadistic enough for you. Is it possible to have enemies apply status effects when they counter your addition?

[silk ledge]

The thought of getting inflicted with Confusion after failing a counter is hilarious to me.

[untold zealot]

thats a hilariously infuriating idea

[small root]

Ah, didnt pull off that Rod typhoon counter on Lavitz? Get petrified

no but pls dont make a counter apply petrification

[sweet wyvern]

Counterpoint: instadeath

[iron bone]

counter point: character is removed from BENT object list

[sweet wyvern]

Character dies in real life

[small root]

removed from the party

....actually, when custom dungeons become a thing, one where a repeating enemy keeps hunting you down and removing characters if you cant deal enough damage in time per battle - with some checkpoint at the end to get them all back and take on the "final" battle with it...

sounds sick as hell imo

Like a recolored wendigo type enemy where it takes a party member then runs away to facilitate the character removal - fuck. I gotta learn to mod the game more

[elfin drum]

dumb question but Darts madness hero add hasnt changed damage its still only 100 is that intention to offset the sp gain?

[iron bone]

dart received no addition changes

only in the next update will he get some

[elfin drum]

Oh wow didn't know that was actually vanilla damn

[timid mango]

why is it when i extract the RB3 file its giving me basically the entire SC set of files? like another launch file and the iso and mod folders?

nevermind i had to install it a level up. minecraft habits.

[sweet wyvern]

The hell mode beta is a custom build of SC right now

[timid mango]

yeah i figured that out a bit late, assumed that i was avoiding a version mismatch

its been awhile since ive done much modding and brain went dumb mode

[untold zealot]

snek'd

[crisp magnet]

Is that DM? You beat the snake without dragoon? Nice. That was a huge difficulty spike for me.

[untold zealot]

Yea, it was tense 😬

[iron bone]

Big W

[untold zealot]

had to grind one level to get past blue bar attacks, aka just the magic attack. trivial fight as expected though in yellow or red since no magic spam. think kongol will be easy too but we are about to see.

7 vs 8 mdef on lavitz was big diff

kongol too easy needs buff

ez

btw, shana suppose to be getting dexp with no dragoon? she had 250 and then 600 from somewhere pre fort

[iron bone]

item magic gives her 50 sp

[untold zealot]

ah fun

[urban haven]

can you fight kamuy after deningrad? is that recommended? surviving seems to depend on magic spam rng currently haha

and also is there a clarification about how weak shields work? they give shields to the user, based on the HP of who you select?

[next mortar]

I hope this is the right place to ask. I've played this game with DraMod ages ago on an emulator. I remember there being a lot of things like stat-adjustments for party members and Dragoon attacks (since the later additions would otherwise just straight-up outdamage Dragoon attacks) and the ability to manually cancel out of transformation early.

Are these things still part of the DraMod applicable to Severed Chains? Or is this currently in the Hell build only? The LoD website has the link to the stable build (I believe), but I've seen a mention on the Github to download the devbuild instead and it's making me a tad confused, whether the beta dev build is actually the Hell mode or another different thing entirely.

[iron bone]

Yeah they give it to the person who you are giving it too. I am using the wrong variable for the selected character. You can see the shield icon pop up on the next turn.

[iron bone]

It's only hell mode for now during the testing phase.. but the features will be ported to hard mode. Some other customizable options will be available for all modes.

[next mortar]

[iron bone]

I'm almost done with my recent distraction (upscale) and will work on to update hell mode beta to latest dev build with bug fixes and the remaining hell/hard mode content.

[next mortar]

You are the GOAT

[untold zealot]

this thing is a party wiper lol

[unreal vapor]

Yes you can
Kamuy is an optional boss

[urban haven]

are magical sollerets supposed to increase speed by 5 or by some percentage?

[iron bone]

just by 5

[urban haven]

kongol is going from 30 to 33, lavitz from 40 to 43 and albert with a bandits ring is on 57, according to the combat debugger. There was something about the slow characters not getting the full effect of speed items, right? is it that?

albert with just a bandit's ring is 53, for example

[iron bone]

kongol and lavitz/albert have speed reduction

[untold zealot]

lavitz with ring is hitting 60 for me

[iron bone]

in debugger he doesn't not enough mod events to be that grainular for me

[untold zealot]

i see

[urban haven]

Okay, thought so. Was making sure it wasn't bugged. How much is the speed nerf? how is it calculated?

[fallen kettle]

Hello everyone, I’ve very confused about Rose Storm. Has it been removed from the game? I can’t seem to find documentation about that.

[silk ledge]

Rose Storm is unlocked at Dragoon Level 6 iirc

[fallen kettle]

Thank you!

[iron bone]

Lavitz was busted.

Until next update 👀

[next mortar]

Alright, I decided to give Hell Mode a whirl, I was surprised to see Dragoon spirits unlocked from the get-go, but after getting a game over to the first Sandora Commander you encounter, I now understand.

This diff ain't messing around