Dragoon Modifier

[unreal vapor]

She´s the new Melbu or something

[tired orbit]

with enrage and shields its gotta be 30k hp

which is close to melbu

[unreal vapor]

...

Zoss you crazy

[tired orbit]

yeah not sure if this is beatable with albert

[unreal vapor]

Are you insane? remove Albert right know xD

Kongol and Albert can´t with that woman

@iron bone softlock, if you use Dart´s elemental attack against Drake with him having the wire, game looks like this just after

Guess I´ll have to close and re-open

Idk if any info here helps to understand what happened

I can´t do anything, but the window continues registering the inputs

[tired orbit]

nvm zy didnt buff lenus' speed or matk at all lol

[unreal vapor]

So she´s "weak"?

Wait until she´s enraged

[tired orbit]

i already defeated her

[unreal vapor]

Anyway, I´ve encountered another "bug", if you have level 7 dragoon, you unlock shield in dragoon form, but if you change the mechanic option in gameplay options to "on" while having "off", it disables the shield

[lean sentinel]

Damn, Lenus was my first giga wall as a kid, I was hoping she still was

[unreal vapor]

She´s tankier than ever, don´t complain or Zoss will increase her difficulty too much

Error in stats menu, there says than Blossom Storm costs 20 MP but in battle it costs 100 MP

[lean sentinel]

It changes depending on the duration you choose

20 MP per turn, and you chose 5

[unreal vapor]

Dragoon Guard Menu disabled itself but I should have the shield because of the max dragoon levels...

[unreal vapor]

OH

OOOOOH

Okay that explains it

[tired orbit]

now why are you dlv7

[lean sentinel]

Cheats, he said already xD

[tired orbit]

i expected to see like 5 healing rains not unlocking dlv7 that would probably unlock in disc4 😂

[unreal vapor]

Cheated with debugger

I prefer it that way

[tired orbit]

albert is dlv4 and still no rose storm

[unreal vapor]

Bosses are hard and tankier, I don´t wast to invest that time

[unreal vapor]

Wait until I pass Hero tournament

[tired orbit]

the early game is so difficult with this late game party

[unreal vapor]

I´ll buy all healing rains

[unreal vapor]

It really is

[tired orbit]

I triggered rose's ability 1 time so far

like bruh

[unreal vapor]

Anyway I´m not using Lavitz/Albert blossom/rose´s storm, I only have it as an option

I´m restraining myself

But having more turns of dragoons is nice, characters don´t instadie

[tired orbit]

i might save up for dragon helm for rose after phantom ship and start the shenanigans

[unreal vapor]

I have dragon helms bought but I´m not using them, only the bandits shoes and speed rings

@iron bone maybe you should disable "swap Lavitz and Shana" during the moments they´re present in team (before Albert and Miranda) or when there will be bosses like Lloyd Hero, Moon bosses... where people can take out Dart and the game will crash xD (people like me, who likes to do whatever things)

[lean sentinel]

Virage first try, really fair fight

[unreal vapor]

This will be a problem, conflicting with Dramod menu input

[lean sentinel]

I preferred when DraMod menu was Start, because now to discard items I need to press twice so the mod menu goes off heh

Minor thing, but there it is

[unreal vapor]

To be fair, you can customize controls in controls option menu

I customized things for combat

[lean sentinel]

I can't change DraMod Menu

[unreal vapor]

You can even open menu in combat

[unreal vapor]

I can´t either

Mm @iron bone maybe put the input on L3 or R3, that way it doesn´t conflict with anything

[sweet wyvern]

Is Zy's build of SC up to date enough to have input rebinding?

[unreal vapor]

It is, at least with the combat options

Because I already customized shield, escape, dragoon, additions... such things

It doesn´t allow change dramod menu input tho

[sweet wyvern]

Does it show up in the list?

[unreal vapor]

Yep

[sweet wyvern]

Okay, he must have disabled rebinding for it then

[unreal vapor]

But when you try to change it, nothing happens

[unreal vapor]

Probably

[lean sentinel]

Fire bird was extremely easy 😄

Shana with Spear Frost x7 + Dart dragoon attacks doing around 300 damage

[unreal vapor]

Now it shows, probably the thing before were a bug or something

[unreal vapor]

Dragoon atacks? maybe I was the bad or should I had more dragoon level, idk

[lean sentinel]

Dart was DLevel 2 and hit like a truck

[unreal vapor]

Then it was that, I was underleveled because of skipping random encounters

[lean sentinel]

With power wrist too

[unreal vapor]

I´d take it for next time

[wide wave]

Doel was very difficult!

I kill him with this team, thanks Shana for dragoon healing ability

[unreal vapor]

Congrats ^^

[wide wave]

thanks 🙂

But I think Lenus in CD2 will be a nightmare!

[unreal vapor]

Pandemonium is useful?

[unreal vapor]

Not really, above they spoiled the fight and her only "difficulty" is than she´s almost the same HP as Melbu

[wide wave]

In the standard game, it's a difficult combat, in hell mode...

[unreal vapor]

I don´t know what level you were, but I have level 7 dragoon and I did 320 to Jiango in special wind field, so I think that´s the max I can do

One thing I thought: if you unlock items in dragoon form, the keybind input will conflict with the one for dragoon magic, because it´s the same for the item in no-dragoon

[unreal vapor]

Dramod menu bugged in Hellena, right after Jiango´s battle, it doesn´t let me exit

I had to maintain pressed "square" button until it exit itself, also it let me enter in normal menu

[unreal vapor]

Another ¿? enemy

[sweet wyvern]

Zy's asleep, I would suggest y'all make github issues in his dramod repo so he doesn't miss them

@unreal vapor

[unreal vapor]

Okay I´ll repost everything on github

[unreal vapor]

Where can I find the repo? can you share the link pls?

https://github.com/Legend-of-Dragoon-Modding/sc-dragoon-modifier/issues

Never mind, found it

[sweet wyvern]

I pinned it

[iron bone]

?

[iron bone]

it is? maybe i did something wrong.

y'all i hate github issues

[sweet wyvern]

Did you use InputAction.fixed?

[iron bone]

OPE

yes.

[tired orbit]

?

[sweet wyvern]

That means they're visible in the menu but can't be changed

[unreal vapor]

Ok I already uploaded everything

[iron bone]

please check pinned messages for known issues...

there was only 1 new issue found. i am tracking them.

[unreal vapor]

Minus some things I simply tell you here, but I think is better that way

[unreal vapor]

Sorry

[iron bone]

what's wrong with the fire spirit are you saying heat blade only gets 50% damage reduction on one of them?

[unreal vapor]

I´ll look for pinned message the next time I encounter a bug

[iron bone]

@tired orbit what level were you for Lenus 1.

[tired orbit]

21

[iron bone]

that's about right

her speed is abnormally slow i guess i nerfed it too much

i don't think i made lenus 2 slower.

[tired orbit]

i lowkey dont understand hp siphon

each damage rose deals in her dragoon form siphons up to 20% max hp?

so its possible to go above 20% with death dimension

[iron bone]

mhm

DRAGOON ADDITIONS: 1 - 1
DRAGOON ADDITIONS: 2 - 1
DRAGOON ADDITIONS: 3 - 1
DRAGOON ADDITIONS: 4 - 1
DRAGOON ADDITIONS: 5 - 1
DRAGOON ADDITIONS: 6 - 1
DRAGOON ADDITIONS: 7 - 1
DRAGOON ADDITIONS: 8 - 1

BATTLE DRAGOON ADDITIONS: 0 - 1
BATTLE DRAGOON ADDITIONS: 1 - 1
BATTLE DRAGOON ADDITIONS: 2 - 1
BATTLE DRAGOON ADDITIONS: 3 - 1
BATTLE DRAGOON ADDITIONS: 4 - 1
BATTLE DRAGOON ADDITIONS: 5 - 1
BATTLE DRAGOON ADDITIONS: 6 - 1
BATTLE DRAGOON ADDITIONS: 7 - 1
BATTLE DRAGOON ADDITIONS: 8 - 1```
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

when coremod is loaded dart has 2 dragoon additions which is correct. when i try to go into battle he has 1. there is no pop, no remove...

so..........?

ok i am glad i separted player/monster spells.

the dragoon meter hud is all wrong and it's bugging me

[iron bone]

new updating coming soon

[lean sentinel]

Thanks for your work Zy!

I'm omw to kick some Feyrbrand ass, enjoying the mod a lot ^^

[iron bone]

Only download "DraMod v2.0 Beta v1.2" if you have installed the previous v1.1 release. Just paste it into your new SC folder. Otherwise new users should download the full v1.2 matching your operating system from https://github.com/Legend-of-Dragoon-Modding/sc-dragoon-modifier/releases/tag/v2.0-HellMode-Beta-1.

You may have to remap the DraMenu and DraAchievements yourself.

Changes
+DraMenu is now R3
+DraAchievements is now L3
+DraMenu and DraAchievemnts are now remappable

Bug Fixes
+Fowl Fighter added to UI
+Enrage help text correctly says 80/40
+Overflow achievement now works only when the siphon is activated now when you gain.
+Fixed achievements crashing the game when entering battle with them still in screen.
+Fixed Divine Dart crashing the game
+Fixed Divine Dart overriding SP
+Fixed Divine Dart gaining burn stacks
+Fixed elemental infusion attacks not having correct targeting or elements

[iron bone]

uh one minute

oh no it's fine

sorry that is all the time i had for today
i will investigate the following later
+the fire spirit thing
+the elemental infusion attacks soft locking in certain situations
+the guard going randomly missing
+the phys damage formula

👀 boss watch list: lenus 1, gehrich + mappi, divine dragon 👀

regarding the elemental arrows it's a 12% drop from every enemy at the following locations

    Fire Arrow    - Volcano Villude
    Water Arrow   - Undersea Cavern
    Water Arrow   - Kashua Glacier
    Wind Arrow    - Nest of Dragon
    Wind Arrow    - Evergreen Forest
    Earth Arrow   - Home of Giganto
    Earth Arrow   - Kadessa
    Dark Arrow    - Phantom Ship
    Dark Arrow    - Death City Mayfil
    Light Arrow   - Moon
    Light Arrow   - Shrine of Shirley
    Thunder Arrow - Vellweb
    Thunder Arrow - Flanvel Tower```

[tired orbit]

what about mappi

[iron bone]

just the normal one with the crafty thieves?

was it too easy too?

[tired orbit]

i dont even remember tbh

thats how long the battle took LOL

gehrich was a piece of shit tho

ig you buffed him up since haschel is no longer required lol

[iron bone]

gosh the last time i touched disc1/2 was feb

Sandora elite - nerf
Kongol 2 - buff
emperor doel - buff
sandora elite 2 - nerf
shana - buff cough
albert - buff cough
lenus - speed nerf
virage 2 - omega nerf (40% less mat)

from previous hell mode

[tired orbit]

this virage 2 is nerfed version?

[iron bone]

yes

[tired orbit]

fucker's right arm almost killed entire party in 1 move, meanwhile I was focused on cant combat arm LOL

then it decided to never take a turn again so

[iron bone]

the bubble beam attack was doing 1.7x of what it does currently

[tired orbit]

dart albert rose cannot deal with taking a bath

must not touch soap

[iron bone]

😆

Just some notes and a guideline, I don't know if you can go lower. I'm expecting most people to be +3 and by the end of disc 4 +5.
Disc 1 - Lv 15
Disc 2 - Lv 23
Disc 3 - Lv 30
Disc 4 - Lv 42 (by S.Virage)

[unreal vapor]

@iron bone I must apologize for what happened before, I know it´s not an excuse but from yesterday I´m having a bad flu and I feel dizzy, with headaches and such symptoms, I´m going to take a few days off testing to rest and recover, thank you all for your work, I´m enjoying it (suffering too) and I only want to help

[iron bone]

oh that's fine take some rest

[unreal vapor]

Thank you ^^

[tired orbit]

i was gonna say no fucking way to lv15

then i remembered that not everyone uses albert or rose

unless you get rng with spirit cloaks LOL

[iron bone]

i swapped to whoever i thought was optimal

[nova mulch]

... wait all out attack can kill?

I have only ever seen that set me to 1 hp, but the sandoran elite 2 killed Haschel with hit... who knew

O.O doel chill

1004 damage to dart xD

Hmmmm

Doel... you might be my first real roadblock

[small root]

as is right

[nova mulch]

yea, he OHKO's my party

with magic attacks

[austere bridge]

Me: ah, maybe changing around some gear or maybe changing tactics
My brain, deranged: grind to lv 60 and leave Doel a broken man at your feet

[nova mulch]

Well, my gear cant really change anything anymore, I have the best available regular gear, I cant afford a better helmet, and since I am locked into the castle, I cant grab sages shields to mitigate the magic damage (I was expecting pain, but not 25% more than my max hp damage on DART), so dart can take the physical ring from rose and be fine, but then I am left with Shana and haschel as my other party members and... Hascel MIGHT survive a magic hit? but Shana's problem will be the physical damage, but I do have a knight's shield

[tired orbit]

youre not locked in the castle

you can just leave

[nova mulch]

Kid at the base immediately sends me back in

[tired orbit]

huh

[nova mulch]

and as I recall, I cant leave through the front door

[tired orbit]

i really dont remember that part

you can also warp using debugger

[nova mulch]

Nope

I will figure my way out of this problem

[tired orbit]

do you have any spirit cloaks

[nova mulch]

Yes

[tired orbit]

gamble your way through this

[nova mulch]

which I know, 20% dodge for the magic attacks

combine that with Angel prayers and its not a terrible strat

[tired orbit]

its what I did lol

[nova mulch]

Lavitz can come along with that plan

Good thing I have Lavitz's additions maxed out

[austere bridge]

At least Haschel receives basically half damage the whole time assuming elemental resistances haven't been messed with. Silver lining

Good luck!

[nova mulch]

12 heals 14 revives

I am expecting the floor tanking

[fallow pivot]

There is an error when marking the dragon in the items menu, inventory size, once you exit the main menu the changes are not saved, they return to their original value

[lean sentinel]

DraMod automatically disables/enables certain things you can't change

[nova mulch]

PFFFFFT

Special Lavitz OHKO's Phase 1

by like, 500 damage, when he has his first buff

This fight would suck a lot less doel, if you didnt spam your all hit

[tired orbit]

do not waste your special on base doel

lavbert kills doel in 3 addition hits and doel deals no damage

[nova mulch]

I used it because He has been opening up phase 2 with his thunder spell OHKOing dart or Lavitz

unrelated, is it just me, or are non of doel 2's attacks coded as physical attacks?

.........

Lavitz dodged nothing

and I still won

[tired orbit]

Unlucky, gz

[nova mulch]

Should have left the bandit's ring on him in hindsight

might have ended this with an item or two more

[full bolt]

I also went back to try to get through Doel and finally did it

[nova mulch]

I was level 17 when I did it

not even specifically grinding

I did a bit, but more as a consequence of running back to lohan now and again to pick up accessories

Ooooooo, these are some interesting items

[full bolt]

I was lvl 16, I think it might be the lowest you can be, maybe 15 if you flee from every fight ? 🤔

[nova mulch]

I did also get some extra EXP at the start cause I removed Shana

until Rose joined

[full bolt]

The two Crafty Thieves in the mappi fight have the "?" issue

[lean sentinel]

NICE, third attempt, Greham dead. I think I've got this with only Feyrbrand left

[lean sentinel]

What should I prioritize in Lohan? Bandit Shoes? As there's more competition in the accessory slot

[full bolt]

If you wish to farm the money then yes probably the bandit shoes

[lean sentinel]

I just reached Lohan with 5500 gold

Farming additions 30 mins in yellow birds did wonders

[full bolt]

Zychronix balanced the game to be done without buying them until later in the game

[lean sentinel]

Damn, keep the balance or make use of my hard earned money

Tough choice, I'm enjoying the challenge

[full bolt]

You could keep the money and go back to Lohan to buy what you need

[lean sentinel]

I could save for the dragon helm instead 😄

[iron bone]

Hint you can farm sandora elite in black castle for healing fogs

[nova mulch]

you WHAT?!

[nova mulch]

oh sure, when everyone else farms birds, they get money, when I farm birds, all I get is beaten up and left for dead (mostly joking, I do only ever get 1 or 2 kills, but htey usually dont cave my face in.... usually)

[north moss]

anyone notice some turns on the show turn order thing just dont happen?

like the turn gets skipped

[lean sentinel]

It happened to me with virage mainly, some body parts skipped turns, but maybe it's the boss mechanics

[iron bone]

There are lots of mobs with do nothing on their turn

[unreal vapor]

@iron bone when you have Albert, if you re-add Lavitz from DraMod menu, it comes without his final addition unlocked, I needed to change his party flag to the same as Albert to recover Flower Storm

[iron bone]

You dont have to reselect it

The master addition flag check is broken in sc.

I have yet to fix it with the new changes. If you enter battle right away without going to the menu he should still use flower storm.

[unreal vapor]

Gotcha ^^

[silk ledge]

Downloaded the new DraMod version but game keeps crashing whenever I try to open the menu.

[unreal vapor]

Lavitz does more damage than Albert with their final addition, and Albert should be the one doing more damage, because he has a better weapon

How can Albert does 100 something, meanwhile Lavitz does 500

xD

Also Albert have less HP than Lavitz and they´re at same level

[austere bridge]

Can you share what their addition pages look like?

[unreal vapor]

Give me a moment, I need to finish this battle

Another thing: I healed Albert from the item menu, but in combat his max life remains at 510, even when in menu says he has 728

Lavitz does more damage with dragoon addition than Albert

[unreal vapor]

Same thing that happened in Hellena, happens in Black Castle, DraMod bugged

I have max dragoons level thanks to debugger, but then the achievements are bugged

I didn´t buy anything like that, and the moment I entered Black Castle, the achievement unlocked

[full bolt]

Those might be because of the cheat you used maybe 🤔
I had no problem like this 😅

[unreal vapor]

Yep probably because of the cheat

Ok regarding about Lavitz and Albert: if you only put Albert and no Lavitz, Albert does the damage he´s supposed to do, and now he has all the HP

So maybe the game doesn´t handle very well Lavitz and Albert at same time in battle

[unreal vapor]

Even I had game with Stretched graphics, the discard items window after battle displayed at 4:3

[full bolt]

The game crashed 😐

Randomly while farming in the villude volcano for fire arrows/sp

Hmm I think the spirit bottle accessory is the one causing the crash

Right now every fight I crash when it's Haschel or Meru's turn and both have it equipped

[sweet wyvern]

@iron bone you're building geometry off of the main thread

[lean sentinel]

Now that I've got Haschel I'm thinking which party should I do... do I replace Dart at last? I always went Dart/Haschel/Meru.

Hard choice

Or is DraMod intention to change party members depending on the boss thanks to the exp bonus?

[tired orbit]

dlevels are extremely grindy, so I would say no

[lean sentinel]

That's nothing to me!

I always grind to Dlevel 5... but well, this time it seems quite a bit harder I suppose lol

I don't know, the readme doesn't list changes as detailed as I would like for me to decide

Like the additions %damage and stat changes

[full bolt]

Without early addition, Haschel and Meru are a bit weak when you get them, Dart is fine to keep before they unlock better additions I think

[lean sentinel]

I got a Beast Fang for Haschel from a Lizard (lucky)

But I see what you say

Btw, is it normal that Shana does 2 damage instead of 1 to 00PARTS?

[full bolt]

IDK sorry

[tired orbit]

zy gave damage multiplier to shana based on her level

[lean sentinel]

It's REALLY easy killing 00PARTS with her

[iron bone]

Please paste your save file, also try redownloading the full v1.2?

[iron bone]

When you have both Jade Dragoons or you have hack in two White Silver Dragoon the second slot of them will be weaker. Sorry this is not mentioned in the readme.

[iron bone]

well yeah the check is == that's abnormal

[iron bone]

Ope- I will add this to the issue list

[iron bone]

I've switched, hell mode is built for no grinding (really) up until disc 4.

Sorry I ended up sleeping for too long. Hopefully tonight is the last time I have to do this weird schedule and I can fix the bugs y'all have reported. Thank you for testing.

[sweet wyvern]

💤

You saw what I said about rendering eh

All rendering has to be done from the main thread

Some of it could build geometry at any time which will crash and if it doesn't crash you would need to do tight synchronization to make sure you render at the correct time during a game tick

[iron bone]

Yes. I was wondering how to fix it.

I think a "display numbers event" would fix it, new thread to wait some time, and get the main display the numbers.

[full bolt]

I'm sorry I'm not sure I understand exactly what that means, I shouldn't use the spirit bottle accessory anymore for the time being or this is related to the map on which I fight ?

[unreal vapor]

OH, now I understand xD

[iron bone]

If it is crashing every time don't use it.

[unreal vapor]

What about this being in 4:3?

[tired orbit]

thats sc

[unreal vapor]

Gotcha

Magic barrier from Kongol 2 should protect from all magic but "item magic" in dragoon form bypasses it

[north moss]

maybe a bug, maybe a mechanic i dont know about, but i killed the 2 first guards in the fruegal 1 fight, then used wing blaster on fruegal alone and it did no damage, didnt even pop up a 0 damage number at all

[tired orbit]

magic barrier is dmagic barrier

[unreal vapor]

He should summon two more powerful guards before you could deal damage to him

[tired orbit]

item magic pierces it

retail

[unreal vapor]

OH, I didn´t know

[north moss]

he didnt, he powered up, i used wing blaster, no damage, then used flame shot and did some damage

[unreal vapor]

That´s weird, can you record it?

[north moss]

ill see if i can replicate

[tired orbit]

that might be weird script behavior

BUT

I recommend you to hold off on attacking fruegel before killing his second set of guards, otherwise he starts attacking earlier lol

[north moss]

well this time he did summon the 2nd guards instead of powering up

maybe he just wasnt supposed to cast power up and it got bricked?

[unreal vapor]

He only power up if he´s hit by magic, if not, he shouldn´t do that

[north moss]

not sure then, i did not aoe the guards, i killed them 1 by 1 then fruegal took his turn and powered up

[unreal vapor]

Then is a script bug or something

[unreal vapor]

Doel defeated
Shana carried so hard

[nova mulch]

This one is happened to me too, no debug or anything

I should finish scrolling before posting

[iron bone]

Same

[unreal vapor]

Then it's a bug

Btw @iron bone I returned to Black Castle and now I bought all ultimate equipment, not going to use it for now but wanted to see all of it
I entered by the "bridge" XD it was a bit bugged, couldn't return that way because of guards
I returned from stairs but... Where's the Serdian kid 🤣 you killed him or something

Also, another thing, I don't understand how Haschel's mechanic works
Like, I read the doc and everything, event tried in combat but I don't really get it

[iron bone]

He is now enrolled in school

Elected for class president

So in a single target situation you attack and a purple number will appear sometimes

When you are selecting a monster a purple bar will show up for haschel.

If the purple bar is full you can use spark net to deal more damage to the target.

In multi target say you use thunderbolt and get a charge on all 3 monsters but want to move all those charges to a single target. You would use the static charge to gather all charges from enemies.

So if you have 1 on each you would use static charge to apply all 3 to 1 monster.

[cedar path]

Question: is adding the level 1 party right at the start of the game not enabled currently? I haven’t seen it in the dramod menu even in that very first area you control dart.

I saw it in some of your documentation and kinda wanted to try it out.

[north moss]

kinda wish there was a speedup for magic animations xd

[rough tree]

Now LIVE to test it all out

[sly yoke]

I was walled at Lenus 2 for two hours, now I'm walled at Kamuy, who is casually doing 3k to Haschel with tree attack... 😢

[tacit flame]

i know right

[iron bone]

Kamuy doesn't go away so

[unreal vapor]

@iron bone thanks for explaining Haschel's mechanic
Now I understand it 😊

[iron bone]

added

[lean sentinel]

Playing with Albert seems like cheating. His special + dragoon attack 3-shots Mappi, while the others do a bit more than 1/10 of his damage lol

Second Mappi I mean, with Gehrich

Btw, thanks for the boss items always dropping

Farming that sucked

[unreal vapor]

Yeah, for some reason, Lavitz and Albert are so busted compared to the others in dragoon

[iron bone]

Lavitz and Albert were moved up to the Kongol and Meru tier.

I would need like multiple damage tracker reports with Lavitz/Albert + Kongol in the same party.

[unreal vapor]

I'll do that once I recruit Kongol

Just for you Zoss, I usually dislike Kongol 🤣

[unreal vapor]

WTF are you telling me that Giganto is equal to my girl? You nerfed my girl or what, explain that 🤣

[unreal vapor]

@iron bone why all these "spells" cost magic in battle but it says "0" on status screen menu?

[iron bone]

Did you update to v1.2

Oh yes you did um

Im assuming it only gets the first 32 spells

[unreal vapor]

Of course I did XD

[iron bone]

I'll change base sc and add it to the list when i get back to my pc.

[unreal vapor]

Anyway I have a few questions for you
What's the difference between the normal d-addition and the "elemental attack"?
The last one does more damage per base? And I assume it has the element infused?

[plucky geyser]

Mappi's thugs question marks in the turn order list

[unreal vapor]

I already shared that the other day, they know this issue

[hasty atlas]

i think foul fighter in hellena 2nd visit is also like this

hey, so when i want to use siphon overflow does i just apply it the same way i do with burn stacks? i try to but the purple bar never goes away LMAO

also confused on wind barrier a little bit
does wind barrier stay active until hit? or just until the next turn

[unreal vapor]

Yeah they know that one too

[sly yoke]

Grand Jewel + Divine Dragon felt wildly underpowered compared to the previous few bosses. Grand Jewel just flat died to special + power up

I am in love with this mod though.

[iron bone]

Y'all can't just say boss is easy, post levels so I know where you are.

[sly yoke]

I was 28 for Grand Jewel and 29 for DD - Al DLvl 5 / Meru DLvl 3 / Haschel DLvl 3
I dont feel like I've been "grinding" xp much so I'd be curious to see where I should be level-wise

[iron bone]

I was 24 for Grand Jewel.

Let's see how you feel about disc 4 bosses though.

[full bolt]

Did you balance early disc 2 with early addition or without?

[tired orbit]

Lenus 2 felt impossible with rose albert dart

24 was impossible, 26 was difficult

[unreal vapor]

Why did you choose those?

One of the worst teams to fight Lenus 2

Also Zoss was 24 for Grand Jewel, so you should not be as such level for her

[tired orbit]

Dexp grind makes it impossible to grind other characters

If you grind all characters you gain too much exp to level up anyway

[unreal vapor]

Ok XD you're talking about dragoon exp

Unless you cheat (like I do) you're right
Anyway that's not a good team for the point you are

[iron bone]

So everyone hates lenus 2 over lenus 1? good good.

[unreal vapor]

I'll tell you

[iron bone]

remember old hell mode had your dragoons deleveling level 2 is enough

[sly yoke]

Ive been gaining a little more than a level of xp from each boss on average, and Grand Jewel is like boss 22 or 23.... and considering you get to Frugel 1 at like level 4 or 5, how on earth did you even manage to avoid that much xp to be 24 there?

[full bolt]

I'm lvl 24 after the ghost ship but that's maybe because I always had Albert on the team

[hasty atlas]

doels dragoon magic phase outputs criminal levels of damage LMAO

[full bolt]

I managed to first try her lvl 24 with Dart Albert Shana and focusing Regole first
With Albert Dlvl 4 and Dart/Shana Dlvl 3

Dart final burst with full burn stack did like 3k to Regole, that felt really good 😄

Also i'm not 100% sure but are we supposed to get exactly 3 magical hat from the ghost ship or was I lucky ?

[sly yoke]

I think he cranked the drop rate from 2% to 40% and there are 4 opportunities, I too got 3

[sly yoke]

24 was what I beat her at as well, but it was very rough, and definitely not first try. Used Albert/Meru/Haschel, havent changed party (and dont plan to, maybe Haschel for Miranda) once I got them all

[lean sentinel]

Lenus 1 is being really hard, different experience for me. It doesn't help when she gets 2 phys attacks + 2 magic attacks IN A ROW, then one of my turns, then 1 phys attack + 1 magic attack

It seems like the worst RNG, but I had it in one of my tries

[full bolt]

When you transform she "enrage" and get free turns

[lean sentinel]

Sometimes she does, sometimes she doesn't

[full bolt]

You shouldn't transform or (i'm not sure about this one) transform only 1 character and press the button to get out of the dragoon form after your turn

[lean sentinel]

Now I didn't transform and she got a free turn, magic, dead

[full bolt]

She also have a counter after getting hit a few time, she will get a free turn

You shouldn't attack with somebody that deal low dmg when she is in yellow or red I think

[lean sentinel]

I used a healing item and she got a free turn with nobody transformed

I don't know, it seems random sometimes, and others seems like you're right

Right now, first turn of the battle. Addition with Haschel, nobody transformed - free turn

Damn, she's a bigger wall than my first playthrough as a kid

Fun but really, really hard! I wouldn't buff her, just my feedback

[runic sigil]

Is there any reason I dont have the option to add everyone to the party at the start?

[silk ledge]

I don't think that's avalible in this version of DraMod.

[runic sigil]

oic aight

[unreal vapor]

It's not avaiable on the beta (the one we're playing)

[full bolt]

I did 7500 on Grand Jewel with Albert in special, then Rose did around 700 then Kongol did something like 500 but it still gave me the achievement for dealing more than 9999, "overcapped" I think

[midnight pumice]

I got to black castle but hte ultimate shop was not here D:

[full bolt]

It was for me 😮

Are you playing the latest version ? (1.2 I think)

[midnight pumice]

yis downloaded it yesturday

i got an acheivment on entering blackcastle about the ultimate shop but i dont see it

after you left black castle was the shop avaiable through ''C''?

oh well i'll restart

[full bolt]

No it wasn't

[midnight pumice]

damn

i'll restart on fast mode too see if i get it

[full bolt]

It feels good to have more options for shoes and accessory

[full bolt]

Lvl 26 Grand Jewel was ok with Albert Shana Meru, I think I could have just went special + power up if I had bought the attack badge

But since I didn't have it, I needed to wait until he bring my lvl up

[unreal vapor]

That's indeed the best team against it

[north moss]

not sure if anyone has mentioned it, but the automatic text advance delay setting doesnt seem to save. it always reverts to 0.00 upon loading the game

[unreal vapor]

Yep I said that already

[silk ledge]

When returning to the Black Castle, should the way OUT of the castle still be blocked with guards?

[full bolt]

Yes

You should go back from where you went in the first time

[silk ledge]

So I can enter from the front gates.... but I can't LEAVE from the front gates? Post-War Sandora is weird.

[midnight pumice]

oos

wrong channel

[unreal vapor]

Yep

xD entering from the front gates is more like a "bug" or something, because you pass through the guards

[iron bone]

send me your save please

[iron bone]

until i am not a dumb idiot yes

[midnight pumice]

eh?

Oh, Appenrently the Shops shows AFTER you finish black castle

also Hii Zychronix!! long time no speak!! 😄 😄 😄

[sly yoke]

The first time I arrived in that room, merchant was there. I opened character menu for something, closed it and then poof merchant disappeared. I rezoned that room, and poof merchant was back.

[midnight pumice]

damn

[sly yoke]

So I don't believe it's related to completing the castle

[midnight pumice]

Mhhh ur right

imma restart a game at fast speed to see

[unreal vapor]

Can you record it? That's not supposed to happen, you know 🤣
The shop only needs to appear after Doel's death, never before

[full bolt]

Is there a reason for the healing penalty when using healing items with Shana ?

I had this issue with Doel, with the Grand Jewel and now with Kamuy

The readme only says there is a penalty with Gates of Heaven 🤔

[unreal vapor]

Maybe it's not specified

@iron bone

[full bolt]

Yeah maybe, wait & see

[unreal vapor]

Yep, the Zoss will answer

[full bolt]

Divine Dragon and Divine Ball have the "?" issue

When Shana use star children on the Divine dragon, you get the popup from the overcapped achievement (she dealt only 27xx)

[full bolt]

Divine dragon defeated lvl 29 with Albert Meru Dart it was fine. Dlvl 4/3/3
I did Kamuy just before lvl 28 with Albert Haschel Shana he was harder than the DD Dlvl 4/3/3

[iron bone]

nope ope

[iron bone]

🧐

[unreal vapor]

So is there any penalty?

[iron bone]

No there shouldn't be.

The only penalty is gates of heaven being % MP based after a certain amount of Max MP.

[unreal vapor]

Okay

[silk ledge]

This is creepy af man

[high pebble]

Its ok, im sure a digital artist will save us

But for now, mapi says “me gusta”

[visual crane]

https://tenor.com/view/inpublic-spaghett-adultswim-creeping-stalking-gif-10183449654511317732

[iron bone]

Have you not realized all the unhinged poses I've picked already?

[shrewd cypress]

unhinged is just hinged now.

[sly yoke]

Mayfil Divine Dragon is kinda silly..

[midnight pumice]

So i did 171K dmg in one hit 🙂

[iron bone]

17100 or.. 171000?

[iron bone]

Silly as in busted?

[unreal vapor]

Hahahhaa that's a good one

[urban haven]

so how does "equip effects in dragoon" work? The game doesnt usually take into consideration equipment during dragoon, and this enables it?

[shrewd cypress]

That's not true. In the base game, equipment applies in Dragoon form.

[urban haven]

so what does the toggle do

[shrewd cypress]

IIRC the ones that are normally disabled. HP loss and recovery, SP and MP recovery, stuff like that.

[urban haven]

ahh i see, okay

[shrewd cypress]

I don't know which ones Zy re-enabled but that's the type of stuff.

[urban haven]

that makes sense

i never noticed therapy ring doesnt take effect in dragoon and ive used thousands of turns with it over the years haha

[shrewd cypress]

Easy to miss, hehe. It's part of why Soul Eater is strong in Dragoon form, if you find a boss that is weaker to phys damage.

[urban haven]

unrelated i guess. Dramod used to have a feature to recolour the status bar in battle. Is that still an available thing?

[sly yoke]

Silly as in, the number of attacks he gets via the counter mechanic and the damage he does per turn (always aoe) is a bit much. By yellow HP it's 8k on Meru per spell, and in critical it's 12k

[iron bone]

adding that to the watch list 👀

[iron bone]

the sp bar? the ability to have them individualized was removed.

but you can still change the group

[iron bone]

i made options for base SC that can't be enabled. having the per turn items work in dragoon form will be a base SC thingamajig.

[unreal vapor]

@iron bone why elemental arrows do more damage than throwing a spell normally? (For example against Mappi, with Shana you do more damage with light arrow than trans light spell)

Also Shana does more damage as dragoon with elemental arrows, is a bit busted (like she should be, the Queen hahaha)

[iron bone]

uh... they should also do less unless you are using the ultimate boss weapon which they should do the same.

[unreal vapor]

I´m using ultimate boss weapon (elemental arrow) and with it, they do more damage than with trans light for example, like 100 more

Also what´s Uroborus negative disavantadge? (just for curious), with that weapon Albert becomes a monster in dragoon form xD he did like 3k to the Gehrich leader

[iron bone]

he casts speed down on himself after transforming and uses 200 sp per turn

[unreal vapor]

OH, okay ^^ anyways he´s like too broken with that weapon, I´m not going to equip that

[full bolt]

Well you're not supposed to have it at this time 😅

[unreal vapor]

@iron bone question, you nerfed magic items right? because against the Virage 2 (Valley) with Shana I couldn´t do proper damage

It saddens me that is not a valid "strategy" anymore xD

[iron bone]

no?

[unreal vapor]

The area items barely did 200

Dragoons are far more powerful

In retail, they were more powerful

[iron bone]

well yes the majority of dragoon spells are supposed to be more powerful

[unreal vapor]

I know xD I just want to finish the mod before Silksong´s come out

The bosses are very tanky for my tastes

[unreal vapor]

Also the dragoon additions are more powerful

[tired orbit]

@iron bone how did you do notifications staying for few seconds

fire a new thread?

[iron bone]

yes

[tired orbit]

oof

[iron bone]

im not getting any greater damage with the spells vs arrows. maybe it's the weapon.

[unreal vapor]

Then probably is the weapon, I just wanted to know ^^

[full bolt]

Zychronix, did you manage to replicate the healing penalty with Shana ?

Or should I record the next boss fight where I use her ?

[iron bone]

im looking at stuff now i just finished research for upscale project

[full bolt]

Ok 🙂

[iron bone]

also with the elemental arrows i see nothing unusual.

[iron bone]

i need a video. unless the issue is you used... star children perhaps? or the healing amount is around... 12% lower?

[full bolt]

No it's really low like 10% instead of 50%

[iron bone]

[full bolt]

I'll try to record the next boss 🙂

[unreal vapor]

Probably something related to that weapon

I can record a battle to show you the difference if you want

I don´t really understand what happened, but this time, Fire Arrow did less damage than the Item

[full bolt]

Here you go @iron bone https://youtu.be/f6AMWfJaqXE?si=GmgNw-PaYecza51u&t=301

[unreal vapor]

That´s weird indeed

It´s healing like a normal potion instead of the full

[full bolt]

Not even a normal potion 😅

[unreal vapor]

Sad

[full bolt]

580/2769 is less than 25% of his max hp

[unreal vapor]

Btw when Shana transforms into a dragoon, she does the same damage as if she threw the item

[full bolt]

Usually it occurs after someone died, in this fight no one died though 😐

[unreal vapor]

Mmmmm

@iron bone in menu, it displays only 182 but in battle she has more, but you begin with less MP amount (I have the Halo of balance equipped)

Also... Lenus 1 is doing 0 damage against Shana and Rose with her chakrams throw attack, and she´s only damaging Dart with 180 or something (they´re all in dragoon form, special with Dart)

Ok it seems is random, this time she only did 0 to Shana, and she damaged the others

[unreal vapor]

Another question: what does exactly "Ring of Elements"? I don´t really understand what it does in combat

Another: Weak Shield is an infinite item? because I used it in battle and the next battle I had it

If it has infinite uses you should add that to the description to be more accurate

[full bolt]

You dropped 2 weak shield by defeating Gehrich

[unreal vapor]

I know
But you´re telling me that in a random encounter I´m obtaining more of these? I´m going to re-test it right know, just to be sure

Nope, checked, they are infinite

I´m going to record it to show you

[full bolt]

Uh

I used them and they were not infinite 😐

[unreal vapor]

@full bolt I believe you, but I´m not lying either xD

[full bolt]

Nice for you ahah

Damn, I know I used one and thought it was not that good

[unreal vapor]

But... is some kind of bug, right?

[full bolt]

If they were infinite I should have kept them, I know i sold the second

I don't really remember 😐

[unreal vapor]

If for you is not infinite, it shouldn´t be for me

[full bolt]

IDK really ahah

[unreal vapor]

xD

[full bolt]

I feel like i'm the only one with the healing penalty with Shana too for whatever reason

So I don't know

I'll go try on an old save 🙂

[unreal vapor]

@full bolt how that penalty works? so I test it too

I have one healing fog for the testing

[full bolt]

It works on every healing item, not only the fog

But I don't really know honestly, for Doel, Kamuy and Lloyd it was after someone died

But it wasn't the case for polter armor sooooo 🤷‍♂️

[full bolt]

I'm mistaken, they are absolutly repeatable 😐

Well then I sold them 💀

[unreal vapor]

@full bolt you can obtain more, or add it with debugger xD

[full bolt]

Nah, i'll try to beat the mod without using the debugger

I'm only using it in battle to know the def/mdef of the bosses

[unreal vapor]

@full bolt what equipment do you have with Shana? can you show it? because the "healing penalty" didn´t apply to me, I tried. I should try with any of those bosses, but with a random encounter everything works normal for me

[full bolt]

I can tell you for Polter armor but honestly it should be the same that you had at the same point, nothing special

The best weapon/armor/helm/boots and often physical ring 😅

[unreal vapor]

I´ll try to remember it when I´ll fight against Kamuy

[full bolt]

Ok 🙂

This was for Polter Amor, she just had a Dragon helm instead of the Felt Hat

[unreal vapor]

I see, nothing weird at all, I don´t understand the penalty then

[full bolt]

The penalty was a pain for Doel ahah

[unreal vapor]

🥲

[iron bone]

Did you go solo with one of the solitary rings?

[iron bone]

It should be shield generator as the repeat.

[iron bone]

Huh

[iron bone]

im going to have to put displays in every block of code in the attack event. i have no clue where that is getting triggered

next update

the closest thing might be the ultimate penalty?

[unreal vapor]

Nope, never used that

[unreal vapor]

It's a repeat item but it's not specified in description

[ashen wagon]

I know the inventory is locked to 32 in hell mode, but is there a way to unlock it anyway? Really frustrating dealing with the too many items screen constantly.

[iron bone]

petition for base SC to have "overflow bag"

uh you have to wait for chapter 3 to do ultimate bosses to raise it from 32->40

[unreal vapor]

Dabas's underground minigame has something to say about that 🤣

[unreal vapor]

@full bolt I had no penalty against Kamuy

Why did you put Kamuy there? he should be the first CD-3 boss
Also if you lose to him or any boss, the achievement pops up, and it shouldn´t

[full bolt]

Because you're not supposed to be able to defeat him at the beginning of the disc 3

And you can do the fight later now

[unreal vapor]

He was like SO HARD

He almost delete me

[sly yoke]

@iron bone Looking at the read me, and the drops of the Ultimate bosses... where am I supposed to get the "Shield Generator"? Also, the read me doesnt include (Repeat) for "Weak Shield", but it is supposed to be repeatable, right? I just beat the 7th ultimate boss (lvl 42 currently) and I now have 10x Weak shields.... which feels like a lot

[unreal vapor]

Yep, Weak Shield is repeatable but´s not specified on doc

And where do you find "Rock Fireflies" and what´s for?

[sly yoke]

I ported from the moon to go do the Ultimate bosses 4th to 8th and Faust... still dont have any ultimate weapons, when would you say I am expected to go buy one, I have the cash for one, but havent known the expected timing

[full bolt]

Yeah I defeated him before going to fight the Divine Dragon and he was harder than the DD 🤣

[unreal vapor]

XD

[silk ledge]

Is Rose suppossed to gain Sipgon Overflow stacks when using Power/Speed Down? Seems kinda weird imo

[robust sun]

I thought those were those healing green/yellowish dot spots like the one at Limestone Cave (Disc 1), Valley of Corrupted Gravity and Home of Gigantos also got them iirc

[sly yoke]

Nevermind Faust.... 😱 , 25k aoe turn one...

Ultimate Firebirb was not super bad, was scared of the mana drain and guard pierce but it was manageable, yay 40 slots

[unreal vapor]

I know what they are, I was talking about a "special item" specified on doc

[unreal vapor]

WTF are you going to survive that without cheat equipment

[sly yoke]

I can't remember how he gated the legend casque, but maybe with 3 of those?

[full bolt]

The real faust is designed to be fought lvl 60 isn't he ?

I believe you're supposed to xp on the Faust that can be fought on the moon

[shrewd cypress]

Not true! xD

[sly yoke]

...erm Faust on the moon o.O? I went as far into the moon as I had to to get the leave moon option, which was after Doel, didn't see a moon Faust

[full bolt]

Well on the screen just before the last boss you should be able to fight a weaker Faust to farm xp

It was how dramod worked before

I don't know if Zychronix kept that or not

[sly yoke]

Gotcha, I'll look for it. I need to decide which ultimate weapon I buy with my 40k, then I'll head back. There's nothing left to do now but head back to the moon with the 8th Ultimate boss dead

[full bolt]

Did you defeat the dragoon spirits ?

[sly yoke]

Yeah I did that first thing in disc 4 as soon as I got flyboi

[full bolt]

"Start Faust - Fight a special boss in the map before the final Super Virage that grants Legend equips under certain conditions." in the readme

So it's still a thing

[lean sentinel]

Lenus 2 feels so unfair hahaha

I don't think I'll be able to kill her

And being unable to go back to buy things in the ultimate shop...

[full bolt]

What is your team/lvl ?

[iron bone]

weak shields are not supposed to be repeatable

[full bolt]

I'm having trouble using Haschel spark net when he have 10 static charge

It's the second time I use it and it does like 400 dmg against last Kraken

Are we supposed to just use spark net directly ? Not press up to select static charge then spark net ?

BTW still the same problem with healing penalty on items, here Shana just used an healing rain 😅

And the healing breeze right after has the same issue

IDK if the value of the heal make some sense to you Zychronix ?

[iron bone]

again this is like close to ultimate penalty numbers but why would it be only applied to her

and why would it be on

[iron bone]

the next update you will be able to buy one or two

[full bolt]

Dart just did 22k with burn stack to last Kraken 😄

[iron bone]

it does a lot more if the enemy is thunder based

[iron bone]

uh.....

[full bolt]

My issue is mostly about the fact that i'm not sure i'm using it correctly 😅

[sweet wyvern]

Y'all are ruining zychronix right now

[full bolt]

Like, when Haschel got 10 stack, I have to make him transform then just use the spark net ?

Sorry 😭

It's hard to make a regular monster survive 10 Haschel hit to try on them 😅

Since it's not in the pinned message nor in the dramod readme I have an other question, is it intended that Shana make the ennemy become light element when she use star children in special ?

[iron bone]

UHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

why did none of this happen to me.

[sweet wyvern]

How could that even happen 😆

[iron bone]

the only thing that is supposed to change monster elements is a powerful magic aoe attack item

[full bolt]

I tried just to be sure

It dosn't happens with Haschel using thunder god in special 😅

[iron bone]

mhmm

[lean sentinel]

I know it's not optimal, but everyone lv24 and Albert, Haschel, Rose (auto resurrecting with Angel Robe)

[full bolt]

Yeah I'd say it will be pretty hard with this team if you don't use the gamble dodge magic attack strat 😕

[lean sentinel]

Haschel seems to be the weakest option of my team choice, tbh. He mostly does support, as his damage is really subpar

[lean sentinel]

I've got the accessory equipped, but it works when it works, of course

Maybe I should change Shana for Haschel and use a real support instead? Hahahaha

[full bolt]

Probably yes 😅

Dart would be optimal too but I think it's doable without him

Which one are you focusing?

[lean sentinel]

Regole, because the water aoe attack is too powerful

And most of the time he does that and the laser in a row

And that's too much

[full bolt]

You can try using powerful magic items to make them switch element

They should do less damage (I think)

[lean sentinel]

Thanks for the tips, I hope I can get past them hahaha

[iron bone]

using night raid won't lower the damage of the light laser beam

[full bolt]

I defeated the 1st ultimate boss and the game dosn't seem to understand that I did

And I didn't get the weapon for Rose

I tried to restart a fight and flee, now the game understand that I defeated him (I got the achievement popup) but I still don't have the weapon

[iron bone]

which one did you use

"next ultimate boss" or "ultimate boss"

[full bolt]

For the first fight you mean ? The first time I defeated the commander ? I think "ultimate boss"

[iron bone]

maybe that is why?

[full bolt]

I'll reload to try with "next ultimate boss" then 🙂

Rose passive doesn't work with multi target attacks ? I mean the one when she use the full siphon overload

[iron bone]

no it only hits one target

i actually have no way of figuring that out without going through script engine bs

the attacks actually happen one monster at a time so

[full bolt]

Ok, with "next ultimate boss" it works !

[iron bone]

💀

[full bolt]

Thanks for the clarification !

[iron bone]

it shouldn't work like that but yes

[sly yoke]

I mean I CAN buy one since the shop exists in Black Castle, I just meant lvl-wise/story progression-wise, when should I feel okay to get one?

[iron bone]

the moon

[full bolt]

The game froze when I closed the debugger at the start of the battle to check ultimate boss 3 def/mdef stats

The music still play tho

And the cmd windows still show when I move my controller left or right

[unreal vapor]

But they are, so...

[unreal vapor]

You asked for testers
Here you are 🤣

[unreal vapor]

What's that strat? I'll need it for my future legit run (when final version is released)

[full bolt]

Using the 20% chance to dodge magical attack accessory

You can farm it on the fire spirit in the volcano or buy it later in the game

The 20% to dodge both physical and magical attack is really strong

I play those mostly on Kongol and Shana to bring them where they can shine but where they also can be one hit K.O

[unreal vapor]

Nice 😊

I'm trying to understand how you're beating the hard bosses (not talking about ultimate) without cheating a bit
Because they're very tanky and they do DAMAGE

Lenus 2 and Regole were unfair

Also what's the best moment to beat ultimate bosses
Right before Melbu?

[full bolt]

No, it depends, you have lvl 30 UB, lvl 40 etc

You can check in the readme

[full bolt]

Dart special is really strong against them, if you can burst Regole before he kills you it's ok

[unreal vapor]

I see 😊 and with what equipment did you do the bosses?
Anything special?

[full bolt]

And Dart with full burn stack + special + fire element sword is really strong

[full bolt]

The Ultimate bosses or Lenus2/Regole ?

[unreal vapor]

Yeah I did that, but with one of his ultimate weapons, just for overkill

[unreal vapor]

Ultimate bosses

[full bolt]

Nothing special yet, just the best equipment I have so 1 dragon helm, 1 physical ring, 1 dancer/bandit shoes 😅

[unreal vapor]

Kamuy was like almost impossible, but again, because I cheated to buy all ultimate weapons, battles are more balanced to my side

[full bolt]

Kamuy was hard

It took me like 10-15 try to beat him

[unreal vapor]

What about Magical hats? You should have 4 of them

[full bolt]

I do

And yes, the 2 party member that doesn't have the dragon helm use them

[unreal vapor]

Good to know 😊

One thing I noticed is that Shana's not a goddess anymore, and Meru is like so weak, because the attack items are so nerfed that they're not worth it buying anymore

Dragoons are the way to go

[full bolt]

Yup

Meru and Shana are still really strong IMO but Lavitz/Albert is the god of the CD1 and first half of CD2

And the others are stronger too now

I love Kongol counter stance

It's not that useful against bosses but for regular encounters it's amazing with pandemonium

[iron bone]

item magic is still busted

[full bolt]

I don't know, I find them to be too weak to take a slot in the bag compared to healing items with dragoon spells

[iron bone]

i am lower level than most of y'all and it's item magic.

[full bolt]

I did try to use them with Shana/Meru but it doesn't do much I think 😕

[unreal vapor]

Then I don't really understand what I did wrong
Because for me item magic is almost useless against bosses than, in retail they're weak to it

Like Virages for example

I'll check Divine Dragon

[unreal vapor]

Yep same for me

@iron bone you have a different version or you're lying 🤣

Maybe if you do a walktrough guide I'll believe you

[unreal vapor]

True

[iron bone]

i can't give y'all all the strats figure them out yourself

[unreal vapor]

XD that's not fair

[full bolt]

Well I'll retry then

[tired orbit]

the strat: recompiling monster scripts

[unreal vapor]

I'll do a legit run only with final version (SC 3.0.)
Until then, I'm not going to suffer too much for testing

[sweet wyvern]

We've given Icarus too much power by sending him to the mines

[full bolt]

BTW the Psychedelic Bomb X make ennemies light element, is this intended ?

[iron bone]

they should be divine not light element.

[full bolt]

Oh, i'll take a screenshot next time, maybe I'm mistaken and it's divine color

[sly yoke]

Albert seems king for the entirety of the game, never left my party, every boss fight/ultimate revolved around as much burst from his special as possible, and then getting him back into dragoon as fast as possible. I do agree that Meru feels weak, she also never left my party, however I think she has the strongest personal ability in Magic State

[tired orbit]

i havent continued hell mode so i'll just ask spoilers

is rose forever stuck at 50sp addition

[full bolt]

Yup

[tired orbit]

lol, lmao even

[sly yoke]

Frugel 1 Ultimate can be stunned 👌

[full bolt]

Demon's Dance is 550 dmg 50 SP

[iron bone]

intended. can be confused too.

[sly yoke]

I figured it was intended, it was accidentally discovered since it was Merus weapon at the time, lvl27 for Ult 1, lvl29 for Ult 2 &3

Confuse though I didn't know, juicy

[iron bone]

from my playthrough what i noticed is dancing dagger (50% sp) never left rose even though i had better weapons

[iron bone]

fear works too, removes on hit

i am planning to make more bosses not immune to status effects.

[sly yoke]

All the +Sp weapons are so strong, pretty hammer, arrow of force, so good. 200sp Cool Boogie is amazing.

[iron bone]

cool boogie was the master addition.

[sly yoke]

Perky step is master, no?

[iron bone]

yes but i still use cool boogie more/

[sly yoke]

I love the midcombat addition swap, I don't know if that's yours or base SC but it's one of the best parts of this experience.

[unreal vapor]

Yep
And that's unfair too

[unreal vapor]

True

Ok if the bosses can suffer from status like that, things are a BIT more balanced, I guess

[iron bone]

it's a mid combat thing monoxide and I added to base SC since emulator dramod could do it

[sly yoke]

Well, I personally have only found one.. and it was Ult frugel 1, if there are more I never found them, and I looked after I tried after I found the stun

[full bolt]

Commander can be inflicted fear with death dimension

[iron bone]

im only changing the ultimate bosses for status effects since their scripts need the addition.

[full bolt]

But eh, he's not a "real boss" tho

[unreal vapor]

Anyway, Meru's ice shield give her some kind of damage reduction or what it does?

[full bolt]

Meru's mechanic is called Magic State and costs 10 MP per turn to use. While in Magic State any damage that Meru does 1% of it is transferred to a shield. Meru gains Enhanced Guard while in this state increasing the amount of healing from Guard. In Hard Mode Enhanced Guard heals 18% HP. In Hell Mode Enhanced Guard heals 15% HP.

From the readme

[sly yoke]

She is the best target to use your healing breezes or rains, or her healing spell while it's active as it gives her a shield based on amount... or something like that

[unreal vapor]

Also there are spells with incomplete descriptions like Rose's death dimension, it should be added the fear status

[unreal vapor]

I see

[full bolt]

I'm not sure but I think Meru will be way better when her AT stat skyrocket on the last few lvl with her water weapon

[sly yoke]

Water weapon felt like a huge waste of 3000g, it felt so weak, I stopped using it right away

[unreal vapor]

There are few fire enemies or bosses for it to be worth it

[full bolt]

You can use elemental bomb

[sly yoke]

You're not wrong, but it feels like the amount of damage being pumped out by the bosses relegated her to heal almost exclusively

[unreal vapor]

Her ultimate weapon is fine tho
Almost unlimited MP, more damage, MP regen

[sly yoke]

Yeah I can't decide between hers or

[unreal vapor]

Yep
That's what I don't like
Shana and Meru are relegated to pure support

[unreal vapor]

Albert have weak magic defense 🤣

Also you can bring both

[full bolt]

Albert ultimate weapon with spirit potion might be really strong when you look at the readme

But Meru ultimate weapon seems really good too

[unreal vapor]

It really is
I already tried

[iron bone]

meru the highest damaging end game character "pure support" 🧐

[unreal vapor]

We're not talking about end game

[sly yoke]

Aside from the addition swap, the other thing I'm completely in love with is the +50sp 0mp dragoon magics, it adds a lot of delay and tankiness and makes the extraordinary damage spikes from the enrage, doable. Pairing that with the forced-dragoon exit, makes combat feel so incredible and satisfying

[unreal vapor]

Also we're talking about what you did to her in your hell mod 💔

In retail she's my Queen, I know her very well

[iron bone]

you mean putting meru's freezing ring in the top 10% of attacks in the game 🧐

[full bolt]

So this is "light" element ?

And this, "divine" ?

[unreal vapor]

Yeah the "item magic" for free is good
But if you think about it, not really useful, unless we're talking about elemental weakness
For instance Rose or Kongol's magic are useless

[iron bone]

yes

[unreal vapor]

Yellow is light

Grey Divine

[full bolt]

Ok, I was indeed mistaken then

But it feel so strange that light is yellow and divine white 😅

[unreal vapor]

Someone needs to do the tutorial with Forest's merchant 🤣

Divine is gray, not white 🤣

Grey*

[sly yoke]

Oh no no, it's incredibly useful. You asked how we were dealing with bosses without cheating or debug, and this is a big reason the fights become manageable. They return 50 sp, which let's you stay in dragoon longer, which, obviously you are tankier in (180% def/mdef)

[unreal vapor]

XD

[unreal vapor]

OH
Okay
So that's one of the "strategies"

Yeah I asked for it to take notes

[full bolt]

Honestly, Rose magic is pretty useful to heal on oppenent that doesn't have a lot of MDEF

And I was surprised by Kongol damage with his DLVL 3 spell

Meteor Strike has like 1120% dmg or something like this

It's honestly not that bad

[unreal vapor]

Rose never healed for me

[full bolt]

She should with Astral Drain :p

[unreal vapor]

She should

[sly yoke]

Gaspless too, very high mult, 999% if I remember right

[unreal vapor]

But she doesn't 🤣

Maybe I have a bug or something

[full bolt]

Yeah something like this and the slow is REALLY good too

Albert jade dragon is really nice for fight where you have 3 opponents

It slow them really well

[sly yoke]

Jade dragon also being one of the few aoe dragon spells, surprisingly strong and useful at times

[unreal vapor]

The slow is not for all the match, right? You need to re-apply it or something?

[full bolt]

Yes, you inflict 1, 2 or 3 stack depending of the spell you used

And each time a party member attack the opponent, they get slowed and they lose a stack

[sly yoke]

Another reason why chaining Spinning Gales from Albert back to back, is really strong. Keeps him in dragoon forever while delaying enemy every time he gets a turn

[unreal vapor]

Thanks for explaining, I didn't understand it reading the doc

[sly yoke]

Honestly, Albert is like... really really solid.

[unreal vapor]

What's your best party?

I think... Shana/Miranda, Albert, and... ? Who else may fit

[full bolt]

His final addition play a big part in it I think, and the fact that Twister glaive exist

Shana/Albert/the one that have opposite element for the boss you want to fight :p

[unreal vapor]

Twister glaive is his wind weapon

[full bolt]

Yup

[unreal vapor]

I don't really get why is so strong

[full bolt]

Basically if you use it in special it boost his dmg

[unreal vapor]

OH

[full bolt]

Like Dart deal more dmg with Heat Blade than with Soul Eater when in special against a water element monster (at least against Last Kraken)

[sly yoke]

Haschel is a best tier character, but I really think his personal mechinc is way too slow, 10 stacks to get a 1 casted buff spell is just too much. I think you listed the strongest group as a do everything group

[unreal vapor]

Yep as a do everything group

Haschel's good but right know he's not the best

[sly yoke]

This is too high maintenance for me personally, I just keep who I have and ignore the elemental disadvantage/advantage.

[full bolt]

I do agree about his mechanic, I still didn't manage to use it and i'm on disc 4 😅

[tired orbit]

y'all hate my boy dart ig

[full bolt]

I like to play everyone, especially now that they are all good

[tired orbit]

my go-to tank

[full bolt]

No, Dart is really strong ! I use him a lot

[sly yoke]

I got it off 1 time, literally

[iron bone]

haschel's thing is heavly tied to thunder fist and elemental bomb

[full bolt]

Haschel suffer mostly because he's just "weaker/faster Albert" for most of the game

[unreal vapor]

Because he's forced in retail

[full bolt]

What Haschel does, Albert can do better and the will anyway both be one shotted by magic attack

[iron bone]

and a higher inventory count for all the items cough

[unreal vapor]

I'm just tired of him

[sly yoke]

Which is heavily amplified by early bandit ring/boot access

[unreal vapor]

A higher inventory like... When? Haha only with ultimate bosses

You take my almost unlimited inventory 🥲

[full bolt]

As soon as Forbidden land for the 36 slots if you wish

[unreal vapor]

I put 999

[full bolt]

I forgot and i'm back after Aglis

I feel like i'll sell smoke bomb, I need this angel prayer slot 😅

[unreal vapor]

36 is nothing

[sly yoke]

40 is nice :), Hero shop for rains/ spirit potion

[full bolt]

@iron bone Do you intend to put your "early addition" into dramod for the 1.0 ? I think it would help Haschel/Meru early game since they come with really weak additions compared to Rose/Albert and even Dart

[unreal vapor]

So you're buying things from that shop?

You grinded for something across your walktrough?

Money? D-level?

[sly yoke]

Part of why is feels low is because of the added repeat items, and @iron bone mentioned weak shields are not meant to be repeat. I have 10 slots..... 10 occupied by weak shields

[full bolt]

Sell them

[unreal vapor]

Yeah Zoss mentioned that
But he needs to fix Weak Shield properties

Right know it's unlimited

[iron bone]

i've been contemplating doing what japan demo did with additions but not sure. so i will figure that out shortly.

[sly yoke]

I grinded for money at first 00parts for enough to buy two dragon helms from Lohan, and I grinded VERY minimally for dragoon levels when I was close to a new level naturally

[unreal vapor]

Good to know 😊

I need to know special enemies location 🙈

I'm doing a no random encounter run this time
They waste too much time

[sly yoke]

I tried very hard to smoke bomb or "save reload" to reset encounters to skip fights and avoid as much xp as possible from regular monsters, since the bosses give so much xp

[unreal vapor]

Random encounters are for leveling additions and d-level, never meant for XP or gold

Also the random enemies do so much damage than they waste your resources

[iron bone]

so the consensus is everyone likes albert more than kongol

even if kongol should be doing more damage

[unreal vapor]

Of course
Who likes Kongol

[sly yoke]

Another reason why Magic State defend Meru feels good, she heals a lot more than usual

[full bolt]

Kongol is hard to play with counter stance against bosses IMO

[unreal vapor]

I see

Albert's more useful

Unless you give Kongol the two things he lacks (Magic defense, speed) he's not worth it for me

[full bolt]

With Therapy ring and counter stance, he's OP for regular encounters

[unreal vapor]

I'll use him for that matter 🤣

Anyway, Pandemonium is worth it or not?

[full bolt]

Yup, with Kongol counter stance it's OP 👀

[sly yoke]

I think with as much emphasis as you put in cranking the Matk stat of every enemy through the roof, it's hard to look at Kongol and think he won't be a liability, maybe if his personal mechanic addressed that more meaningfully? I love Kongol I wish I could use him

[full bolt]

But if you skip regular encounters then it's not worth I guess ahah

[unreal vapor]

@full bolt I'm asking for a future legit run haha

This doesn't count, I just want to finish it fast

[full bolt]

Magical greaves + sage cloack Kongol is ok for bosses

25% to avoid insta death when getting hit by a magical attack 👀

[sly yoke]

With 40 speed, and most bosses being very speed oriented/counter turn oriented, it's just not enough contribution.

[full bolt]

35 speed, he got half from equipments

But yeah, I agree that Albert is way easier to work around and will often be stronger

[sly yoke]

At that point his job is staying alive and not contributing to ending the encounter before you lose. Especially with the incredibly scaling dangers of the enrage

[unreal vapor]

So Sage cloak is one of the must have equipments

?

[full bolt]

I bought one, and I feel like it's way better than physical ring

[sly yoke]

It is strong, maybe not must have.

[unreal vapor]

Enemies enraged are so busted, specially with magic attacks never seen

[iron bone]

i'll think about un-nerfing kongol's dragoon defenses a bit

his ultimate weapon does provide guard while attacking (occasionally)

but also there is a combo i guess you wouldn't use with him until ultimate boss

[full bolt]

His elemental axe ?

[iron bone]

no it's one of the defense equips

[sly yoke]

One of the biggest downsides to Kongol is actually the base games linear progression of mdmg vs pdmg, as you progress, more bosses do more magic attacks than physical, which means Kongol, gets worse and worse as you get to harder and harder bosses. This is obviously super magnified by the mdmg scaling and enrage mechanics in this mod

[unreal vapor]

They all have elemental weapons

[unreal vapor]

That's why he's not worth it

[sly yoke]

On paper, his ultimate weapon looks like one of the strongest because of that guard

But also.... you have some bosses who have guard pen attacks.. 😱

Poor Kongol

[full bolt]

Also Zychronix, could you tell us more about this "new item" please ?
Rock Fireflies - Rarely found near Rock Fireflies. Glows faintly.

I searched around vanilla rock fireflies spot but I didn't find anything yet

[iron bone]

my other concept for kongol was party wide tank

[full bolt]

Those one ?

[iron bone]

a relic from my ye old dramod partner that i haven't added yet

[full bolt]

Oh, ok thanks !

[iron bone]

i want to add rock fireflies to maps and maps with them in it you can farm an outside of battle full hp/mp recovery item

[sly yoke]

Real question, current state mod, how does Kongol not die every turn vs Ult Firebirb with guard pen dive? The fight wasn't that bad for Albert Meru Miranda, but I cannot fathom how Kongol does that fight

[full bolt]

Probably by not bringing him 😅

[iron bone]

uh there is two answers for that

[full bolt]

Meru should be really strong against firebird with his summons no ?

Oh you edited your message, mb

[iron bone]

no no go look in the ultimate shop

you will find the hint there.

[sly yoke]

Meru was doing 3k-ish with spammable 0mp Spear spell

[unreal vapor]

That's nice

[full bolt]

Ring of Reversal - Reverse physical and magical defense.

[iron bone]

meanwhile blue sea dragon with power up/down doing like 30k

[full bolt]

Probably this one ?

[unreal vapor]

Ring of Reversal

[iron bone]

one of them 😛

[unreal vapor]

I have that

XD

The other are +60 of physical or magic defense

They're like cheating 🤣

[full bolt]

The One Ring must be really powerful for him too

80% dodge is amazing ahah

[unreal vapor]

80% dodge???

WTF how

[sly yoke]

The one ring sets your avd to 80%

[unreal vapor]

As it should be

[iron bone]

and your hp to 1

[sly yoke]

Oh

Lol

[iron bone]

idk 4/5 chances of not being hit

[sly yoke]

Haschel destroyer mace + the one ring.... oops

[iron bone]

it's 1hp /1 max hp

[unreal vapor]

Resurrection build is good too
Thanks to Drew for discover that for us

[iron bone]

oh.

i just noticed something with the one ring ops

[sly yoke]

I just can't justify using the accessory slot for that

[unreal vapor]

It's really good for Meru

[full bolt]

I often put the Holy Ankh on Albert since he get's one hit ko by most of the magic spells and die often

It's really nice

[unreal vapor]

Good choice too

[sly yoke]

Meru with just angel robe feels perfectly fine while having something like +mp/turn ring, or the fancier "Healing Ring"

[sly yoke]

Al has never taken off his bandit ring 💍

[unreal vapor]

She doesn't require MP ring when she has her ultimate weapon

[full bolt]

I feel like 60 to 80 is not that powerful compared to more inventory slots 👀

[sly yoke]

Well... yes, but I don't have it :[

[unreal vapor]

Also if she has magic hat, the fight will end before you need that MP

I still think you should put Holy ankh on her

[full bolt]

And getting a free res is also a free turn for a party member sooooo

I feel like it's reaaaaaally strong

But honestly, it just feels good to see we do not all have the same strat 🙂

[unreal vapor]

Yep haha

That's true

I'm learning so much of you

[sly yoke]

I feel like every boss I struggled with came down to Albert getting back Sp as fast as possible and doing as.much damage in dragoon as possible, so personally it felt like it had too much value. But obviously it's not the only way since you are close to where I am and also didn't use debug/cheats

[unreal vapor]

And I love that

[full bolt]

My biggest wall was Doel

He really felt unfair when he pop up his shield and spam multi target magic attack which only Shana survived (and she had the healing penalty xD)

[unreal vapor]

Doel was fine for me
Then I didn't have any "cheat equipment"
Only abuse Shana's healing

[full bolt]

I couldn't abuse Shana's healing 😭

[unreal vapor]

About that healing penalty... Totally bullshit you have that in your game
I don't really understand it

But I have Rose's lack of healing

She just doesn't heal

With her spells

[full bolt]

Even with Astral drain ?

[unreal vapor]

Even

I'm going to record it

[sly yoke]

Lenus 2 (Rogole wave damage) was a notable wall, and Kamuy had me questioning Haschel's involvement... in my crew, I didn't remove him until Polter but the seed of doubt started there. He was rough for him.

[unreal vapor]

How did you beat Kamuy?

[full bolt]

Yeah, this part of the readme feels wrong to me :
Rose will provide additional healing to herself while using any attack in Dragoon form and others if using Astral Drain Astral Drain - Heals an additional amount based on Rose's Max HP (Rose Max HP * Dragoon Level * 0.0425) to the whole party. Dark Dragon - Heals Rose for 10% of the damage dealt.

[sly yoke]

I just prayed for less tree attacks when enrage was throttling up

[full bolt]

She doesn't heal herself when she use any attack in dragoon form

[sly yoke]

I'm 80% sure she was healing for me, but disc 1 was a long time ago

[unreal vapor]

And she doesn't heal anyone with her dragoon spells 🤣

I was so confused the first time

[full bolt]

Haschel/Albert/Shana, Shana never attacked to not trigger the counter thing

Don't transform until 40% of his HP

then go Albert special etc

Well I did use her for the 3 first ultimate bosses a few hours ago and she never healed except with astral drain

[sly yoke]

Either that, or you better have another special primed and ready by then

[unreal vapor]

Albert with his Twister Glaive
Best weapon?

[full bolt]

If you want to use his special ? Yes, by far

If he doesn't go special and you're not facing an earth element opponent, take the one with the higher AT stat you have

[unreal vapor]

Maybe I have a bug, like you with Shana's weird penalty

[full bolt]

Probably !

If i'm the only one with the Shana bug you might be the only one with Rose that doesn't heal at all xD

[unreal vapor]

XD

We are cursed