So it's bound to be a backmarker for most of the season
#Motorsports
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glacial pine
I still think Hyundai are more likely to take over a formula e team than any other random sports car micromanufacturer
severe spindle
You do have a point
Espeically since Mclaren is leaving their team
Seems like prime opporunity for a Hyundai entance
glacial pine
Brabham no way has the cash or engineering talent to consider an F1 team
severe spindle
Espeically since they're one of the car makers which push the furtherest for EV
It would be perfect development and marketing opporunity
Hell, I can see them becoming a F1 engine supplier even
Especally with how great the focus on the Electric part of th enegines is becoming
glacial pine
Hyundai also needs to tell me what the eN1 cup car is going to get up to, i would love to see what that racing is like
severe spindle
Brabham no way has the cash or engineering talent to consider an F1 team
Yeah it would be a big test of them
Though Lotus.. does seem likely
Big chinese support from geely, far more budget than ever and a big opporunity to market Chinese engineering capacity
They already took part in Formula E and also Touring cars
severe spindle
Hyundai also needs to tell me what the eN1 cup car is going to get up to, i woul...
I would love to see the cup racing of these
glacial pine
If Geely themselves want into F1, popping a Lotus badge on the car would be a great idea. But how relevant is F1 to marketing cars in china?
severe spindle
You know what Hyundai should do?
Tkae one of the Ioniqs into the new STCC regulations
strong kite
I mean
severe spindle
Makes perfect sense
strong kite
China has a Formula 1 race again
glacial pine
Tkae one of the Ioniqs into the new STCC regulations
Maybe the 6, the 5 is quite tall
severe spindle
If Geely themselves want into F1, popping a Lotus badge on the car would be a gr...
Well it brings both great sponsorship money, and also big advertsiment for China
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Maybe the 6, the 5 is quite tall
yeah since the 6 is a midsize car I believe
Given how much MBS and FIA right now are pushing for the Saudi funded teams and US involvement and being money hungry as per usual, China seems like prime target
glacial pine
I do believe theres a half dozen Chinese manufacturers that have the talent and facilities to do it, and if, like Renault, the government says yes...
I'd love to see an American car built in america for f1
severe spindle
Same to be honest
I though thhat was the point of Haas to be honest
But more time passes, and the more it just feels like the 2nd coming of Toyota if anything else
severe spindle
I do believe theres a half dozen Chinese manufacturers that have the talent and ...
I think it'd be a good opporunity for them
Motorsports, especially on such a high grade as F1, is a very easy way to find quick marketing
Positive marketing
Selling their cars even more
glacial pine
Dallara builds the Haas chassis, and Ferrari sells them as many bits as they can buy.
severe spindle
And then they use wind tunnels at GR
Hell, they should call this team what it is
"Minardi 2.0"
glacial pine
So it's built in Italy, designed in England and developed in Germany.
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So it's built in Italy, designed in England and developed in Germany.
And dares to wear an American badge
The Haas badge no less, one of the biggest teams in Stock car racing
glacial pine
I mean, Haas is a CNC machine manufacturer
severe spindle
True, but even still
haas as a name is more like a title sponsor
Than an actual manufacturer
severe spindle
I'd love to see an American car built in america for f1
hopefully Cadillac will become the case, but I heavily doubt it
Already getting Ferrari PU, setting base in England, hiring a Mexican and Finnish veteran
While I get this is the start for Cadillac, it will be difficult to develop their own PU and hire american drivers this early on, but they could have at least tried to develop the cars in US facilities
I guess it's good that Americans take over everything, but can't take over European motorsport
severe spindle
I mean, Haas is a CNC machine manufacturer
I honestly thinK FIA should make rules to make F1 simpler
Everything being so costly just takes away from the nuance and joy of seeing new teams try their hand at it
Only coming in when big car makers are supporting them
glacial pine
Nah, F1 should stay complicated and expensive. Showing that your team has THE best skills, talent and ability to create the most technical and complicated and fastest racing cars in the world has been and must always be the point.
severe spindle
Yeah but it doesn't have to be THIS complicated and expensive
glacial pine
Cadillac will have done a brilliant job if they can get Bottas and Perez, but not being based in the states is a shame. Pragmatic, and probably gives a better chance of success, but to me undermines the whole badge. Like just call it Andretti Global at this point
severe spindle
It can be a bit easier and it'd make t alot easier for more teams to ennter
glacial pine
Yeah but it doesn't have to be THIS complicated and expensive
It has always been this complicated, and it used to be More expensive
severe spindle
Really?
I mean cost cap does help..
I more so mean the cost to entry
Not every team needs to be a top contender, mid-field is good enough
But then again, whhat do I know
glacial pine
I mean cost cap does help..
Teams used to spend 5 to 10x the cost cap.
severe spindle
Cadillac will have done a brilliant job if they can get Bottas and Perez, but no...
I think it's enough reason for them to get to race again to race for Cadillac, regardless of how good or bad the car is
severe spindle
Teams used to spend 5 to 10x the cost cap.
Yeah but the barrier to entry wasn't this expensive either
In the best case scenario, we'd have a small barrier to entry fee, and also a budget cap
At the end of the day, it's not there's any point to Motorsports besides making money
So if they have to make money, they have to do stuff like this
I guess I just wish it'd be an easier entry for more teams
glacial pine
Nah, it needs to be hard to get in, especially with it becoming more popular. They really don't want another Caterham F1 team farce
The youngest team is a decade old, you've got to make sure entries have the capability of building and running such an expensive and complex operation.
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The youngest team is a decade old, you've got to make sure entries have the capa...
I guess so..
Sorry then
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https://x.com/SkysF1year/status/1944537166123552810?t=IwXwFBHTMQkubOgZeEUmRw&s=1...
bruh lol
glacial pine
I guess so..
It's a complex thing. There's lots of lower barrier to entry Motorsport. Wec hypercar, WRC, super formula. F1 is just quite different
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It's a complex thing. There's lots of lower barrier to entry Motorsport. Wec hyp...
Yeah I suppose so.. but there's no sport quite like F1 either when you consider everything
I guess I wish there was a F1 begineer series
Rather than the F2 and F3 spec series
Even still
I should learn to whine less
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It's a complex thing. There's lots of lower barrier to entry Motorsport. Wec hyp...
I am someone who appreciates every facet of motorsport
F1 was just a recent fixation I suppose
glacial pine
I guess I wish there was a F1 begineer series
F1 Academy? Lol
F1 is very interesting
And it'll all change next year.
severe spindle
F1 Academy? Lol
I mean a Formula series which uses the same rules as F1
But it is cheaper and simpler
basically imagine every F3 team making their own car
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yeah but the uma characters are all intentionally named that way
strong kite
Apparently he IS named after Max Verstappen
glacial pine
Why is everyone obsessed with furry horse girl anime game all of a sudden? Kinda sus
lofty mirage
https://x.com/AniOutdoor/status/1944750291653656881
HAHA
strong kite
Tweetman you made a typo on the word "everyone", I believe that's spelled E-K-S
severe spindle
Why is everyone obsessed with furry horse girl anime game all of a sudden? Kinda...
Yeah that's a great question
severe spindle
Tweetman you made a typo on the word "everyone", I believe that's spelled E-K-S
Not just Eks, others like Mario seem keen too
Not sure why though
the anime isn't new or anything
glacial pine
There are other discord servers
lofty mirage
I have no idea what is it about the memes are funny
severe spindle
The context of the F1 ones are strange
glacial pine
I have no idea what is it about the memes are funny
If you think so ๐
strong kite
Horse girls seem to be all the rage now
granite tangle
Not just Eks, others like Mario seem keen too
well uhh id say some of my friends play it and i got interested more on the real horse part than the anime girl game part
i just find the posts funny personally
severe spindle
well uhh id say some of my friends play it and i got interested more on the real...
It's a weird topic in general I feel
But if it's gotten you interested in the horse racing, then good stuff
granite tangle
i find the stories nice
and the community seems super wholesome
i mean after the global release they made a fund to send grass to that one horse that never won
and people sent her 2.5 tonnes
lofty mirage
https://vxtwitter.com/omgverstappen/status/1944682983975440837
"MATE FUCK OFF"
granite tangle
"MATE FUCK OFF"
max vs george among us would go hard
lofty mirage
true true
severe spindle
i mean after the global release they made a fund to send grass to that one horse...
Really? Damn, now that's really nice
Rare to find a wholesome fandom
pale bridge
https://vxtwitter.com/omgverstappen/status/1944682983975440837
Well there's him potentially being banned from entering Ireland even if it is a joke
pale bridge
It could get taken out of context...
glacial pine
Damn the NISMO artists strike again
strong kite
Yes
glacial pine
They have been for quite a few years. They took over the Renault e Dams entry.
NISMO also build the power train, in full.
And Rowland absolutely DOMINATED this season
severe spindle
NISMO also build the power train, in full.
Does nearly every team do this
glacial pine
Half.
Eleven teams Six manufacturers.
Yamaha and Mahindra are the only manufacturers without customers
Stellantis, Nissan and Jaguar power two teams
Porsche powers Andretti with works kit, and Kiro with last year's powertrain
(manufacturers also build rear suspension)
glacial pine
Yeah. The chassis, wheels and tires, battery, charging system, and front motor are spec.
The power management, motors, gearboxes and inverters and any software are all done by the manufacturers
The main limitations are just minimum weight and peak power delivered or regenerated
severe spindle
That's really cool
Does help keep it much closer
I do want to learn
So I'll get into it tomorrow
glacial pine
On Sunday, the field got spread out FURTHER because of the late race safety car.
severe spindle
Interesting, its usually supposed to get closer Because of the safety car
glacial pine
Only in series where cars can't run side by side
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FE can't run side by side?
glacial pine
Oh, the opposite. Three quarters into the race they're going four wide into most braking zones.
Then the safety car increases the field spread simply because there needs to be some gap more than zero.
Berlin is a very well laid out track for this.
In London next weekend it won't be like that. But I'll be there anyway haha
glacial pine
The pressures are different in FE. Very low down force. Low grip tire. Energy efficiency is EVERYTHING at a track like Berlin so the car in fifth has a quad slipstream for two laps, saves some energy, then wants past. It's madness
severe spindle
I wish I understood then
glacial pine
Well F1 strategy is all about getting a good tire advantage on the car ahead so you can pass them.
In formula e at tracks like Berlin, strategy is about saving energy at the start so you start can go Flat Out before any other car, and overtake them all.
That's the broad strokes, at least
severe spindle
Thank you
granite tangle
https://x.com/holeecrab/status/1945151369754599602 @muted thistle
X
muted thistle
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Is the similarity that like Ferrari, she has alot of bravado and rep but doesn't live up to it?
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Each team's number 1 driver, and each car ranked by constructor's standing
lofty mirage
sick
severe spindle
Glad you like
lofty mirage
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The cars really have gotten longer
lofty mirage
thats for sure
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I must say
2025 cars look so good
I know some aren't fans of the downforce era cars
But I find them really sleek
Very reminiscent of the old 99-02 cars
The era before them looked quite janky
strong kite
aka "pweeeeeeease ewect me as fia pwesident again uwu"
granite tangle
X
severe spindle
"I have never looked more beautiful"
granite tangle
https://x.com/V3RCLERC/status/1945507325122687217 @pale tinsel i love this trend
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pale tinsel
@granite tangle yukis lost his phone in como while swimming
granite tangle
i saw lmao
pale tinsel
the Horner 2nd driver curse continues
granite tangle
"if anyone is swimming in the lake and finds a phone let me know"
strong kite
Some random guy is gonna discover Yuki's been fired when they find his phone in the lake
granite tangle
X
granite tangle
https://vxtwitter.com/tsunodadefence/status/1945522580661711042 @pale tinsel they are hosting a memorial for the phone ๐ญ
are yuki fans okay
lofty mirage
LMAO
granite tangle
https://x.com/MercedesF1_Hub/status/1945466281823723749?t=lNKtYj373eJ5fEqv09XH_g...
speaking of
thats pretty close if you ask me
glacial pine
They're having an affair! What will Suzie say when she finds out
granite tangle
They're having an affair! What will Suzie say when she finds out
an affair or whatever would be less gay than what toto has been having for max for the past how many years
glacial pine
Hahahaha you're so right
strong kite
https://x.com/MercedesF1_Hub/status/1945466281823723749?t=lNKtYj373eJ5fEqv09XH_g...
UH UH
ABSOLUTELY NOT
severe spindle
https://x.com/MercedesF1_Hub/status/1945466281823723749?t=lNKtYj373eJ5fEqv09XH_g...
Now that would be cruel
I mean unless things change around for Alpine, maybe
But realistically, he should have began with a lower end team to begin with
Rather than driving for a top team instantly
And fact is, he isn't performing as Toto would want
But we'll see
I think the Russel allegations of him being left out of Mercedes seem more likely
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glacial pine
Elitism? I'm at gym what does Elly mean by elitism
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Elitism? I'm at gym what does Elly mean by elitism
Liberty media pumping F1 into every nook and crevice
Constantly changing the raw unfiltered nature of the sport
Not allowing other forms of Motorsport from gathering enough points to partake in F1
Most drivers being pay drivers and the sport in general feeling quite plastic
Now I won't agree that the sport has gone bad
But honestly, I do't disagree that it is a far different scene than it used to be
glacial pine
Oh yeah, there are absolutely issues with the super licenses. And the sheer MONEY it takes to even start a basic karting career makes things so tough for non elite kids to begin.
And TIME
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Like it said, the value of a F1 team in 2013 was nearly half of what it is now, which made it both easier for new teams to join and also easier for new talent to join
Right now, that isn't posisble, hence Andretti's rejection
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And TIME
That's the biggest issue, why does it need to be like this
It feels like F1 isn't any longer open for anyone who wasn't karting at the age of 3
And it isn't like it always pays off either
Superstar drivers like Colapinto have bombed super hard
glacial pine
Because you can't have a karting track in every town, like in most regular entry level sports
severe spindle
TRained his life for this, parents sold their house to fund it
and now he's being dropped
glacial pine
There's no sport in the world that takes as much as motorsports, in time and money.
severe spindle
Because you can't have a karting track in every town, like in most regular entry...
And not every karting track actually has schools
glacial pine
It's so impossible to make it cheap and local
severe spindle
There's no sport in the world that takes as much as motorsports, in time and mon...
Money used to be less of an issue too
I get that covid, hyper inflation and things are a thing
But like... it shouldn't cost 1 billion to have a F1 team
THat's some countries' GDP
It's meant to be a sport, it's meant to be raw and fun above all
But there's no fun in it for the drivers
if they perform, they should keep it up
if they don't, they're out unless they're on good graces
And the F1 fandom is cancer too
Look at them hyping up Hulkneberg now
Like.. what?
where were you pretenders when he wasn't getting podiums?
glacial pine
Hulkenberg has been a fast, dependable driver for so long
severe spindle
Fucking internet clout chasers
Exactly, so why is is only now becoming a topic for discussion
glacial pine
And the F1 fandom is cancer too
I blame algorithmic "content feeds" and "engagement metrics" and shit.
severe spindle
One podium which was only due to extreme conditions means nothing
Especially to his career which has already had greater moments
glacial pine
The real people have been discussing him for a decade
severe spindle
And the internet isn't a reflection of that, I know
glacial pine
The way he stepped up in 2020 to a foreign car in Germany, and smashed it out the park
Gotta find the people who really care about the nerdy shit of F1, like Sam Collins, and listen to them
Remember, F1 drivers are only one, occasionally irrelevant, part of a thousand person team.
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I blame algorithmic "content feeds" and "engagement metrics" and shit.
It's pure ass cancer
You either are seen as a savior sent by god
Or you're seen as cancer despite barely having any fault or input
Or you're played up like a messiah despite achiveing little
Or you're played down like judas despite achving alot
severe spindle
Remember, F1 drivers are only one, occasionally irrelevant, part of a thousand p...
And that's what psises me off even further
the way folks disrespect these teams
Like... damn
if the teams saw how they spoke of them on internet
ranging from shitting on RB or Sauber
or crapping on Ferrari every chance they get
I'd genuinely wanna go and beat these poeple up
Like what gives people the gall and audicity to start throwing out opinions like they actually know something
glacial pine
Thats "sports fans"
severe spindle
And they clearly don't, cause most of what they say makes no sense
That and plus the internet being a consequence free space
it pisses me off honestly
glacial pine
There's a lotta people as well who rt enjoyment or boredom from merely one specific driver or team. So they conflate with how Ferrari is doing with how much they enjoy F1, for example.
I just wanna watch the sport of it, attack and defense on the track. But that puts me in he minority of people who thought Mugello was one of the worst F1 races of all time
severe spindle
People like these undermine the whole sport
Let's ignore the hours of effort that the workers at Aston Martin put into developing their car every season
Let's instead glaze Fernando Alonso's Mewing video and send a few more death threats to Lance Stroll
it's like... they have no actual appreciation for the sport
they just want immediate winners and losers
glacial pine
That's why my current biggest gripe with F1 is the rules giving them these tiny, shitty, 2001 Toyota Prius ass batteries
Give them MORE
severe spindle
There's a lotta people as well who rt enjoyment or boredom from merely one speci...
I understand opinions and perspectives exist, but like.. it's one thing to be opinionated, and another thing to just wanna start fires
glacial pine
I guess. People chat a lot about the colapinto crowd or whatever but I don't see these tweets. I don't know how people even do lmao
severe spindle
That's why my current biggest gripe with F1 is the rules giving them these tiny,...
Would hardly even fix anything with this impossible to please fans
severe spindle
I guess. People chat a lot about the colapinto crowd or whatever but I don't see...
It's everywhere, even here to a degree
I know it is inveitable
glacial pine
It would make for more side by side and harder to keep cool under pressure, so there'd be more Sport (in the way of fencing) to F1
severe spindle
But after a certain point, I can't take it
severe spindle
It would make for more side by side and harder to keep cool under pressure, so t...
Well of course, but I am sure folks will still complain
Imean the things you ask for are being brought on in the 2026 regs
And people are alredy nagging about them
Without we even seeing what an actual 2026 car will be like
Drive like or even sound like
They hear buzz words and they react like sheep
glacial pine
The cars need double the motor power and double the battery capacity next season. I've been saying this
If they're struggling to stay on hybrid boost out of every corner, while also being more easy to drive I think something is wrong.
By we must wait and see
severe spindle
I'd be more so in favor of car makers going by regs which would equalize them more
I'm tired of one team dominating every season
severe spindle
If they're struggling to stay on hybrid boost out of every corner, while also be...
I don't know anymore honestly
I've been a motorsport for a very long time
but ever since I became an F1 fan, I've seen a side to race reception that feels unheard of
Like I genuinely never expected such strong opinions towards things which we barely even understand
But honestly, I'd just be okay with F1 going back to the pre-liberty media era
As worse as it would get, I'd take that onthe chin than having to endure this elistim bullshit anymore
Sports shouldn't be about who got to drive a kart at an earlier age
Because at that point, we may as well design humans which will become F1 drivers from birth
Rather than racing drivers which happened to wanna give F1 a go
pale tinsel
@granite tangle https://fxtwitter.com/Max33Verstappen/status/192356074978947072?t=Uf98pYiFO2mR9KHfAr9nYg&s=19
14 or 15 year old max verstappen is based
severe spindle
Pfft
glacial pine
Sports is about skill.
The only way to develop skills in racing is to start, and the more track time you get, the more you can develop.
So, like all skills development sports, F1 and Motorsport will always be dominated by the people who can start earliest
glacial pine
<@883063680302985236> https://fxtwitter.com/Max33Verstappen/status/1923560749789...
Live! Laugh! Love! Facebook mums husband ass post
severe spindle
Sports is about skill.
The only way to develop skills in racing is to start, an...
Yeah but not at literally 3 years old
AT that point it isn't about training as early as you can
it is about being designed for that sole goal
and imagine, most F1 drivers never will succeed
They never will make the money from all those efforts
So what for them? A ruined future because they wasted their childhood?
Especially in F1, where driver skill plays a very little part
and it is only about what you drive?
So what, Hamilton would bcome homeless if he didn't happen to race for the biggest middle finger to race regulations?
I guess that's just every occupiation that doesn't have a set career
Every electrical engineer will eventually find job and a succsess
but not every upcoming sports trainee will become a football player
Man, Nima and his deep philosophical hours and how unfair life is
glacial pine
Every electrical engineer will eventually find job and a succsess
Well fuck I hope so
glacial pine
AT that point it isn't about training as early as you can
Worked out well enough for Verstappen
severe spindle
Worked out well enough for Verstappen
Not like he had a say in it
Results speak for themselves
But I hardly think he understood what he was doing for majority of his childhood
severe spindle
Well fuck I hope so
There's always some place you'll be wanted with such subjects and careers
Unlike sports
WHere your money is more imprtant than your skills
Unless you're a literal god like Verstappen or Ocon
severe spindle
Well fuck I hope so
I am an electrical engineering student myself, so I hope so too..
glacial pine
I am an electrical engineering student myself, so I hope so too..
Same area of study AAAAAAAAA
One of the doctors of engineering running my course is Iranian
Wild
And he knew his stuff inside out
severe spindle
Same area of study AAAAAAAAA
One of the doctors of engineering running my course...
Eyyy, fellow subject of study
Now we have even more common stuff to talk about
severe spindle
And he knew his stuff inside out
The smart folks in this department are hard to match
They know this stuff like the back of their hand
Whether if it's circuits, electric motors, control coding or message transfer
It's all really complicated stuff that require alot of hard work
Which I am usually unable to do
glacial pine
Well it's a part of why I love formula e. And enoying formula e is part of why I even applied. Four different classes on electric motors? How could I resist
severe spindle
Hehe
To be fair
If you're a power student, then it'd be perfect future prospect for you
Tweetman will go on to work in one of the formula E teams as an engineer
glacial pine
I'm trying not to hope for it too hard. But I will be joining the university formula student team IMMEDIATELY when I get there
severe spindle
Damn, there's courses and all? Lucky you
Id want to be able to go in such a direction
glacial pine
Yeah. Sadly all the Motorsport specific courses are in England so I won't be able I do one ever. But knowing my lives from my neutrals could get me into Kiro race co ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ
severe spindle
Any would be good honestly
I wonder of the pay would be decent
Probably livable wage
We're not too demanding anyway
Enough to keep living
Anf working
glacial pine
Can't be worse than what I've been making working in pubs
severe spindle
Honestly however
If one day I can feel somewhat beneficial to my community
I'd be content
severe spindle
Can't be worse than what I've been making working in pubs
And alot less emotionally scarring
Given I hear pubs are basically argument fests where they serve drink
glacial pine
They are. Especially if football is on. And football is 24/7 with NO HOLIDAY'S
Anyway the worst part is watching your alcoholic regulars slip further and further into alcohol fuelled early onset dementia
severe spindle
They are. Especially if football is on. And football is 24/7 with NO HOLIDAY'S
...
Oh god the sports fans..
And yeah..
Honestly this is why I don't really support bars or alcohol
If they don't want to be responsible, someone has to be
Cause being that way, they end up ruining theirs and others' lives
granite tangle
X
granite tangle
X
pale tinsel
https://x.com/ari_coni/status/1943657442354626798?s=46 <@293122066805293057>
6th fastest car that 2020 ferrari
def not 3rd
Mercedes
Red Bull
Racing Point
McLaren
Renault
Ferrari
AT (dunno though, could arguably put them above Ferrari)
Alfa Romeo
Haas
Williams
severe spindle
Leclerc, poor Leclerc
pale tinsel
X
pale tinsel
severe spindle
https://x.com/WeirdNFS/status/1945952127664152858?t=W3to9A148O9tWaAOz56J8g&s=19
Please let him be in a F1 car
severe spindle
https://x.com/BernabeuNights/status/1946131410873352347?t=QSgTqRGd8LUefNOnGZCCqw...
Pffft
severe spindle
https://x.com/MVP1RACING/status/1946001968276623509?t=RsJZ6DHi5WxzvgoORnNoKQ&s=1...
He got multiplied lol
granite tangle
X
strong kite
Why is her arm bending backwards๐ ๐
severe spindle
Haha, I think it's supposed to be in the same directon, just open
But yeah the art does make it look bent backwards
In fairness, drawing arms is hard
Especially with clothes
That is really fitting however
pale tinsel
<@293122066805293057> NOT FORMULAFAKERS.
https://x.com/espnf1/status/1946646223...
seen
severe spindle
pffft
@glacial pine Something hilarious hapened which I tried today lol
Basically, I used the randomizer wheel to swap every F1 driver from the 1999 season with another car
So for example Michael Schumacher in Minardi while Luca Badoer in Ferrari
And the result? Schumcacher was still the fastest lol
Guess that's proof that F1 Challenge 99-02's AI drivers' stats dictate the car's actual capability, rather than the car's stats being seperate from the AI drivers' stats
glacial pine
Instagram
severe spindle
What's the topic, the image hasn't loaded
pale tinsel
pale tinsel
What's the topic, the image hasn't loaded
someone being delusional
i reposted with embed
granite tangle
X
severe spindle
https://www.instagramez.com/reel/DL81UPaJ_Jm/?igsh=dHpkbTB5Z3FyY24w
hahaha, that's amazing
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i reposted with embed
Makes alot of sense lol
To be honest, Stroll could probably be a decent mid-fielder if he actually cared
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https://x.com/OliverSolberg01/status/1946951116807168084
That's amazing, fantastic
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I wanna sah
When folks say a certain track is bad
I don't get them
They say Miami is bad, Singapore is bad, sochi is bad, Cataluniya is bad
I frankly don't get what makes a circuit better or worse
And I don't really care too much frankly
Its a circuit, every circuit is unique, with different strengths for every car and team
And I don't wanna see 22 rounds of Silveratone and Interlagos
Plus the point of F1 is to be worldwide
And not every track is going to be seen as equal
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It's all just personal opinion
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Yeah of course
But we know F1 fans don't have personal opinions
They're all a hive mind
Hate on Sochi autodrome, love Silervstone
Hate on Stroll, love Latifi
Like I'd get if it was an objective way for a circuit to be good
But I don't get it
glacial pine
Sochi was pretty bad
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I frankly don't get what makes a circuit better or worse
could be as simple as a low action, low overtake opportunities, long drs trains and nothing else, or it could be a track thats genuinely terribly designed or dangerous
Sochi was destined to be a terrible track, its the prime example of a terrible layout design
and the worst is unlike all those street circuits people hate
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What was the actual issue
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Like I'd get if it was an objective way for a circuit to be good
Be Sakhir gp track tbh
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it wasnt limited in its layout
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I mean it was
It was meant to be based around the Olympics game stadium
You guys are just spouting the same nonsense as F1 reddit
What's the issue
What's the objective fault of "bad circuits"
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Like I'd get if it was an objective way for a circuit to be good
actually there kinda is a metric. lets say a circuit gets 5 years, if in 5 years it produces 5 great races, its objectively a good track. If it produces some okay races and some good ones, its a plain good track. If in 5 years you fail every single time to deliver a good race
then by default its a terrible track
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then by default its a terrible track
What qualifies as a good race then?
Is it overtakes? Wheel to wheel?
By that margine Monaco is horrible
Still is there
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yes and yes
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Still is beloved
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I like lots of good side by side racing, that isn't only when drs is open
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No it isn't
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was possible 20 years ago
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That's the issue
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when cars werent impossibly fat
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You can't just destroy the pavement and make it wider
So good racing is by default impossible
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in monaco? yes
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Since most tracks can't even support most kodern f1 cars 2 wide
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some tracks fit them though
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And not to mention, DRS was made to solve this issue I believe
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Monaco has always been bad in f1
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So I don't think the issue is witn the tracks
But rather the cars and system in play
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yeah you see
you are right
and wrong at the same time
if a circuit is not built for f1
and f1 races there and its bad
it doesnt mean its a bad circuit
Sochi and Miami though? Only built to host F1
and make for terrible racing
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Monaco is one of the great formula e circuits they just built it 100 years too soon
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I hate Miami for being a car park circuit too
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That's a better explanation than I've heard mostly
Its not a "bad circuit" but a " bad F1 c8rcui"
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"street circuit" branding is pissing me off in F1
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yeah but apart from the f1 weekend
miami is a parking lot
and not a circuit
so therefore
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It's amazing honestly
How can a circuit be both a normal circuit and also a street circuit
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It cannot
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the closest would be jeddah
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But if you brand something a street circuit Instagram likes go up? Idk
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But the premise of it is just too funny
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because its a "street circuit"
even though the bit of road they race on is closed 365 days a year
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It gets used for testing days
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and not publicly used
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even though the bit of road they race on is closed 365 days a year
Pffft
Honestly this is just further reason for FIA and countries to work closer to mandate the circuits to fit the cars better
And also don't waste money on street circuits
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well we are close to probably the worst of the worst of f1
hate jeddah or love jeddah
Qiddiya is coming
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I don't consider Jeddah a street circuit. Where are the painted lines? Where are the videos driving or cycling the track on a normal day. It annoys me. AND Its poorly designed for TV, it's very hard to figure out where you're looking at
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and if that isnt the biggest dystopian clue on where f1 is heading
i dont know what else is
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Qiddiya is coming
I cannot wait for them to walk back some of the nonsense they promised.
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I never heard of what Qiddiya is looking like
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I think they should have done The Line gp, like a modern Avus
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I never heard of what Qiddiya is looking like
circuit elevated in the sky on top of a hotel. Mario Kart style.
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I think that's one corner, because it also has to be a street circuit
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I don't consider Jeddah a street circuit. Where are the painted lines? Where are...
Actually thats a problem I have with Yas Marina
Because when I drive on it, half way through the next set of start mark, I get confused whether I completed a lap or not
Not memorable honestly
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people hate that circuit too nima dw
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circuit elevated in the sky on top of a hotel. Mario Kart style.
Thats the biggest rich man money Waste I've heard
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I was very Impessed by the Yas marina redesign, but it makes me angry BECAUSE WHY DIDMT THEY DO THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE
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people hate that circuit too nima dw
Really? I thought Yas Marina was among the more liked middle east circuits
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Thats the biggest rich man money Waste I've heard
well they better enjoy it before sustainable fuels come out and they have to go back to making carpets
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well they better enjoy it before sustainable fuels come out and they have to go ...
Hahaha
Maybe it'll finally give them an actual excuse to develop as an actual developing country than play pretend
God I dislike Saudi
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I was very Impessed by the Yas marina redesign, but it makes me angry BECAUSE WH...
its a circuit i personally like. Though i think its terrible for those ground effect cars
even worse than before
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It's kind of amazing
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Really? I thought Yas Marina was among the more liked middle east circuits
people love it because of 21 lol
i mean
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21?
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Is that the infamous year?
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that 21
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The Masi year?
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Hahaha
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but yas marina will also stay on the callendar forever
because its an exclusive deal to host the season finale there
ever since its introduction
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yas marina has ever produced
It only took a half iranian half Canadian to manage lol
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that was the first big money deal Bernie made
towards f1 globalization
great for the sport or disaster
god knows
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Interesting, guess things ain't changing any time soon
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great for the sport or disaster
F1 was always a disaster
Either no money or no teams
Or too much money and soulless
You can't win
There's a reason f1 has run for so long
Unlike most other racing series and regulations
Cause they knew how to keep making money and also keep the racing somewhat close
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its a circuit i personally like. Though i think its terrible for those ground ef...
It's gone pretty well I thought. Not life changingly amazing but totally decent not hateful to race at.
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Yeah and.uou said the redesign helped the confusing nature
Which if so, that's a big help for me
Never played a game with the redesign however
Only played the circuit on Grid 2 and Forza 7
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Well the just removed the stupid dumb double chicane nonsense that apparently Had to be there for safety because Ferrari theme park was in the way... BUT on a man mad island who's FIRST PRIORITY was having an F1 track on it.
And all they had to do was move a hairpin like 10m further away from the grandstands to pass safety. Shambolic
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Who knows
Maybe when oil industry collapses, all the Middle Eastern races will also disappear
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Well that's what Saudi is trying very hard to hedge against
Anyways, if you ever want to see THE least suitable racing track ever used for a series, watch the Bern formula E race.
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I've heard of that actually
Speaking of Saudi and Formula E actually
I saw a post recently which was apparently a quote by.Honda
That "if no electrification, we out"
To which I say, why are you not in Formula E then
There's no.point to F1 becoming electric when FE exists
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And that's why F1 needs to jump on synthetic fuels 5 years ago
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Or at least as soon as possible
It's possible
But let's be real, the real reason they're not doing it is because of your.very same argument agasint synthetic fuel
F1 only.gets big teams when they use F1 to develop car tech
And since Synthetic fuel according to you.has no real world application
No big manufacturer will want to race
When the tech won't trickle down to road cars
Its a double edged sword
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Synthetic fuel has an unlimited application for Motorsport
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But to support that youve got to commit to F1 the sport simply for the sake of F1 the sport, and not as a technology transfer lab like it has been in the past
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So do you know what I think is a possible scenario?
Exactly
And that's why I believe almost all of the manufacturers will leave F1
Mercedes, Honda, Ford, Renault, etc
And instead, privateer teams like Williams, Haas and possibly Andretti will remain
I mean Ferrari will remain too because they can pitch synthetic fuel for their supercars
Actually that's a good idea
Low volume car makers will become the manufacturer teams in F1
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Well it depends which manufacturers really consider Motorsport an identity thing for them. That's why honda came back with an engine supply relatively soon after quitting F1.
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Like Ferrari, Mclaren, Bugatti returns maybe, Aston Martin
But brands like Alpine, Mercedes leave
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Aston Martin is a great example of a name that will probably want to stick around
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Well it depends which manufacturers really consider Motorsport an identity thing...
Yeah but you know Honda, they make choices based on what side of the bed they woke up on
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Aston Martin is a great example of a name that will probably want to stick aroun...
Most certainly, given most of their income is via their.low volume rich man grabbers like the Valkriye
These sort of cars will justify road based synthetic fuel usage
Since they're low volume
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Their income is meant to come from the DBX (hateful hideous) and the Vantage
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Prepare for F1 to become truly glamorous then
Only low-volume car makers and Racing only privateers
If it means more non-car based teams
And also lower price to entry
I think it'd be good
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Their income is meant to come from the DBX (hateful hideous) and the Vantage
True true
DBX, and to a lesser extend, the Vantage are the main production cars they sell in high volume
And indeed, the DBX is a hateful thing
And sadly it tortures our eyes with every race due to being the safety car
Like I need to say this
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But then the question changes. Will F1 still be beloved and relevant if it's slower than other series?
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I think FIA will ensure that doesn't happen
The one period where Group Cs and F2 were faster were disastrous for FIA and F1, so they'll make sure it doesn't repeat
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There's a chance Formula E surpasses F1 beyond just 0-60 with the Gen4 car...
It's not likely, but I will be looking at the Monaco times very closely
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It'll be interesting for sure
I feel like Formula E will continue to grow to replace F1 entirely
Because a FE that's as fast as F1 doesn't have any purpose
And an F1 rhat isn't fastest racing series doesn't have any purpose
Seeing as FE gets faster and faster, the racing is growing more dependant on large manufacturers
And they're also going on normal circuits alot more
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That "if no electrification, we out"
They were actually out until the 2026 regs got announced
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They were actually out until the 2026 regs got announced
Guess FIA compromised with the 50% electric rule
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Also Honda were one of the most major reasons that the regs didnโt get canned for V8 with less electric power
Together with Mercedes but Mercedes only vetoed it because they already had made the best engine according to every rumor ever
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Well any team would do the same
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Yeah it just happened to be them this time
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Except one team actually
Ferrari would probably not give a shit and say fuck it letโs do it
Because they are the purist team of the sport
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Ferrari would welcome it given they Specialize in making big motors
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Because they are the purist team of the sport
Even if their car company goes bankrupt, the F1 team.wont be gone
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The car company is being kept afloat easily by the SF project
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I doubt that's the main factor
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So much so that they can fund WEC comfortably
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I doubt that's the main factor
Ferrari is the one team that no matter what place they are in WCC they always make the most money
So if they were struggling they could just be Williams
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Maybe thats why it's often rare to see limited volume car makers not partake as active manufacturer teams in racing series
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The team with the second biggest participation bonus
And participate in being backmarkers every year
Ferrari even when they suck they donโt suck that much though
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Actually it's Mclaren with the 2nd biggest bonus
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Williams should be third then in order of oldest to join?
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Yup
Ferrari 1st, Mclaeen 2nd and Williams 3rd
Williams was smart to not rebranad after bought from William
Otherwise they'd lose the bonus
Williams are a hilarious team
They're an even.bigger past.glory hound than Ferrari
Despite performing so horribly nowadays
Start of 2025 seemed decent
Only Albon scores now however
But hey, at least they score points
Unlike 2019 williams
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Williams has been on the rise yes
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Slowly but surely they're building back up
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Shame they halted the car progress to focus on 2026
Hope it works out for them
But itโs a shame regardless
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Could be a podium contender on a chaotic race but nowadays it feels like they are the cause of the chaos xd
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And just saying, if Williams doesn't get Sainz at least a win in 2026, he will sue them
You could put Logan back in that car and results wouldn't differ
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Could be a podium contender on a chaotic race but nowadays it feels like they ar...
It's truly been a rough ride. 2026 seems very exciting given how every team has to readapt now
Who knows
Maybe the balance will change
Maybe instead of Ferrari, Mercedes and Mclaren, it'll be Aston, Williams and Saudier as top teams
Have a goodnight for now
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Together with Mercedes but Mercedes only vetoed it because they already had made...
Good because the V8s aren't return, it's another smokescreen from MBS
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Good because the V8s aren't return, it's another smokescreen from MBS
oh i was not about the MBS v8 bullshit, the teams had an actual board to change 2026 regs and it got vetoed
anything MBS says past that is well
pandering
xd
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Pfft
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The silly part of it is there's really no reason they couldn't have just done a V8 and kept the fuel and efficiency rules basically the same.
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I agree man
They just were silly
Hell
They can do W16s but PHEV and efficient
They're pussies I swear
F1 isn't a sport for pussy teams
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I kind of find certain teams and sponsors ironic
Sauber used to be the Red Bull car
Then Red Bull became its own team
Mclaren used to be the Mercedes car
Then Mercedes became its own team
Red Bull used to be the Aston car
Then Aston became.its own team
Who knows
Maybe one day HP will become its own team too lol
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Sponsorships and engine manufacturing leading to a team.
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pale tinsel
I'm going to throw shit
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Sponsorships and engine manufacturing leading to a team.
Indeed, it feels like it may happen to the current sponsors too at one point
F1 teams in 2035:
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BWT
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- Scuderia Ferrari
- Mclaren
- Williams
- Moneygram F1
- BWT F1
- Altassian F1
- Honda F1
- General Motors F1
- Audi F1
- HP F1
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Sponsorships and engine manufacturing leading to a team.
it's happened as far as recent too
With the Stake Alfa Romeo sponsorship becoming the Stake F1 on its own
Well, mostly just a glorified title sponsorship for Sauber, but still kind of counts
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I can see Aston Martin disappearing
And Renault as well
But Mercedes Benz? That's a stretch
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Yeah tobe honest I didn't write it seriously
It's just that it might happen at some point
Take BWT for example, one of the major sponsors of F1 since as far back as 2017 Force India
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I think Aston would be more likely than mercedes to stick around. AM have poured A LOT into the F1 facility, and really tied their brand to racing again.
Mercedes doesn't feel like they lean on being an F1 team in the same way. But at the same time I don't really read the advertisements haha
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I just think it's hard to see why Mercedes Benz would pull out when they're still competitive and their drivers can still win races
Then again we do have Kimi Raikkonen's win with Lotus in 2012 followed by Lotus' departure in 2014
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Money
I don't think it's likely, but F1 is a very very expensive endeavour, especially if your company isn't basing a LOT of it's marketing identity around the sport.
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I don't think it's likely, but F1 is a very very expensive endeavour, especially...
And this may also be why FIA will try their best to not have them exit
maybe they'll bring the costs down or something
It's unlikely new teams will join
So to lose Mercedes-AMG as a team would be a blow
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Oh yeah, having a manufacturer the size of mercedes really helps make F1 look good. That's why Ferrari gets paid so much to turn up. But it's symbiotic, both parties have to benefit from what they put in
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Exactly
And this brings us to the next point
the whole debate over the fuel-usage of F1 in the future
Whether or not it'll be Hybrids or Synthetic fuel, it will determine what teams may or may not stay
And do consider, if Mercedes-AMG exits the sport as a team, they'll likely stop producing the PUs as well
Since it wouldn't benefit the engineering if they arne't benefiting themselves
This is why I am not sure whether if F1 has a future
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According to Tweetman, synthetic fuel will find little usage in actual everyday usage
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Hybrids with synthetic fuels, it's the only option that gives the engine manufacturers SOMETHING useful to learn.
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And F1 is too expensive right now to justify using it as just a sport
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Hybrids with synthetic fuels, it's the only option that gives the engine manufac...
if possible, it may either push car makers away or have them stay
Because do consider
many teams' existence also depend on whether if there are PUs available
Since most don't make their own engines
So if for example Mercedes decides to leave, that leaves a big problem for msot teams
And it isn't like there are more car maker who could try making F1 engines
We don't have Supertecs and Lamborghinis and Peugeots and Toyotas or Yamahas anymore
So choice of engine is limited
This could lead to most if not all of the grid using equal engines
It's a real concern honestly
At this rate, F1 may as well be renamed FE pro, because that's what seems to await it
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If F1 stays inviting, even if merc leaves, other companies will step up. Cadillac wants to be a manufacturer too
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Well that's the thing
They wanna be a manufactuer so long as it helps advertise and also develop for road cars
And if the F1 side doesn't trickle down tech to the road car side, then it becomes overly expensive and also impossible to keep teams in
back then you could get away with this because of how relatively cheap it was to enter F1 as either a priavteer or a team
But right now, with every team valued over a billion dollars
it's insanely financially irreponsible fo these car makers who are already not doing that great
Right now, i think the priority for FIA should be to force to bring the costs down
Cost of everything
Because with the inevitbility of the teams leaving, they should at least leave them some play room
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I have a questiom
Say for example a driver who was racing for Ferrari switches over to racing for Mclaren mid-season
Obviously he keeps his driver points
But what hapens to the constructor points?
do they remain as they were?
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Fair enough
I feared they'd get deducted and added to another team that driver joins
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I read some comments on some videos talking about comparing Ferrari periods of Lewis Hamilton and Michael Schumacher
And it talked about how Lewis is nowhere on Michael's level due to how dedicated Michael was
And honestly, hard to not see their point
While yes the winning years had the better car
But it took his effort to get to that place
The 1996 Ferrari was a far bigger shit than 2025
Yet all Lewis does is whine as he did back at Mercedes-AMG
Michael made Ferrari, that's what set him apart from every top F1 driver
Wherever he went, it was his priority first to build the team and then fight for championship
Lewis was handed the best cars in every season he won and had little to no hand in the development
No slag agasint Lewis, but there's a major difference in how drivers like Vettel, Massa, Alonso and Hamilton compare to Schumacher
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Damm what? Schumacher raised the bar with his dedication, and it has only gone up.
You cannot even GET to F1, probably even F2, without the level of dedication Michael put in, there's just exponentially more people putting that same effort in than the late 80s early 90s
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It took drivers like Schumacher and Hill and such to make Championship winning cars
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Damm what? Schumacher raised the bar with his dedication, and it has only gone u...
Of course, but we also have to realize the limitations back then
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And the extreme limitations today
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It was far harder for a team to be competitive
Every team nowadays is relatively close
Back then it was like 2 teams with fast cars and the rest with hopes for 3rd
Not to mention the sort of budgets seen today didn't exisy
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Damm what? Schumacher raised the bar with his dedication, and it has only gone u...
And Michael still went beyond that
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The cars are more proscribed than ever, closer than ever. There is no tire wear to help teams on that winning side, there's a bonkers low cost cap Vs the engineering required AND not a single millimetre of testing you can do that other teams can't. The length of time you can do CFD is limited, seperately from wind tunnel time. There is so much less opportunity to create something no one else has thought of, and implementing new ideas is tougher than ever, and with so many more races there's less time for anyone to even try doing this stuff.
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Michael was not doing anything that the entire F1 grid isn't either doing, or literally not allowed to do anymore.
He literally helped push EVERYTHING to a new level
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That's what I mean partially
That's what every team.needs to succeed
Say Ocon shouldn't suddenly be promoted to another team if he wants to win
He should work his ass off improving Haas
Same witn every driver
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They all ARE
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No they're not
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Nobody isn't putting in everything
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These drivers missed out on having a childhood to get where they are
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Oh let me cry the millionares tears
I don't care particularly
And I wanna say you're right
But then it doenst explain why some drivers succeed and others don't
If allegedly all drivers are working as hard as Michael did
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Well that's where luck, talent, money and driver development comes in. No one has ever had the same combo as anyone else
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Things are supposed to be closer than ever
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Well that's where luck, talent, money and driver development comes in. No one ha...
It's all luck then
I don't know anymore
I'll stop thinking.about it
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Things ARE closer than ever
When was the last time a car failed to qualify
The whole grid is under 2 seconds apart. At Silverstone Nico did last place to Podium.
I don't think it's possible anymore for a single driver to arrive in F1 and be doing so much, all by themselves, to make a difference. There's a thousand people developing each car
A driver isnt an equal part of that, but they aren't the only one. Verstappen couldn't turn Haas into a championship contender, and I don't believe Schumacher could have done the same to like Footwork or Minardi or whichever other teams we all forget about.
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A driver isnt an equal part of that, but they aren't the only one. Verstappen co...
I mean I suppose you're right
It's hard to expect
Espiecally with how complicated things are now
Look I understand that F1 is a team effort
And.that.the current standard for drivers is way higher
Alot of factors go.imto.how a team can win
But then.you.have cases like Mclaren who are just unbeatable
It's like nobody else is developing their car
I don't know honestly
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McLaren doesn't even have a clean sweep of being on the podium so far this season
They're winning, sure
2025 is different from 2024, because 2026 is a new regs set, so how many teams, realistically, are pouring everything they have into this year without looking ahead?
You also have, for McLaren, the internal implosion of Red Bull, the Ferrari shock of signing Lewis, the Mercedes shock of Losing Lewis, the driver shock swaps between RBR and Toro Rosso. Alpine being idiots, Williams struggling generally.
Against that, McLaren has had a pretty steady management style ever since Zak Brown came in, no driver shenanigans for a few years, two absolute STARS in Piastri and Lando, huge stable sponsorhip, and not even much inter teammate drama.
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2025 is different from 2024, because 2026 is a new regs set, so how many teams, ...
I suppose that's why things are the way they are
Mclaren js doing everything for 2025, while others are mostly focusing on 2026
They have stability, two drivers they've had since last season, decent money.
Actually that makes alot of sense
Everh other team has had at least 1 driver change
Since 2024
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They're winning, sure
As per usual you make me feel very stupid for not having your level of wisdom
It's amazing how I hadn't noticed this
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It's not wisdom, I've just been watching while autistic for a long long time.
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The driver changes and such is such an obvious factor
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But don't get it twisted, this has only given McLaren the best OPPORTUNITY to succeed. Every single person still has to turn up, every weekend, and smash it 10/10
RBR, despite the shenanigans, is still a great team with the great Verstappen. Mercedes is still a juggernaut and George Russell proving very impressive.
Ferrari is still P2 in constructors I guess somehow
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This is the thing though
The Mclaren are still much faster than others
See this is what I can guess then
Mclaren put all points into 2025, and 2026 might leave them a bit dry
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That stability of drivers, alongside stability of team, and everyone just operates at 100% all the time.
Maybe Lando and Oscar also want really similar things out of a car, so they don't have to compromise idk
They've had the best opportunity to win, and they have really taken it.
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You're right, they have
Its a great then
Guess now we know how to make a successful f1 team
Team stability
Relatively consistent driver line up
Decent budget and sponsors
Taking advantage of other teams' situation
And of course, if you want the easy way in
Mercedes or Honda engine
Adrian Newey
And God like budget
Man I need to fix myef
Talking like I know what I'm talking about
I'm still a newcomer fan
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Nah that's the broad strokes of it
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Honestly I wonder how Cadillac will do then
The PU is one thing
It can either end up decent or less than ideal
They're a completely new team, completely new facility
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Well they're not starting with their own engine. So they'll have time to learn from the competitive Ferrari engine
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And at some point new engine as well
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Well they're not starting with their own engine. So they'll have time to learn f...
Exactly
The Ferrari PU can either be 2024 Sauber or 2025 Sauber
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I don't think saubers weakness was ever the Ferrari engine
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So it's a question of whether if 2026 Cadillac will be more like thr mess of 2024 Sauber
Or the tight package of 2025 Sauber
Their drivers won't be their downfall
Given its Bottas and Sergio
Two.veterans
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Brilliant pair of drivers.
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I don't think saubers weakness was ever the Ferrari engine
Well, mismanagement can make the engine act less than optimal
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Brilliant pair of drivers.
Certainly, and I'm curious what they hold
Like obviously we don't expect them to be a top team
Or even top of the midfield
But I'm genuinely curious to see how a completely fresh slate will look in modern.F1
glacial pine
I think it was a good choice to come in for a fresh slate year, as well
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Last time we had this was back in 2014 with Haas
Anf that was like 3 regulations ago
So whole new reg, completely fresh team
Honestly kind of exciting
glacial pine
And Haas have done okay
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We'll see how an F1 team can build itself up from a completely fresh set of regs and different era of status
severe spindle
And Haas have done okay
They definitely used to be better in instances
I think 2021 really hurt them
glacial pine
Ah yes, the year they forgot to literally Google someone before banking on recieving literally 20 million dollars from them
severe spindle
And Haas have done okay
And Cadillac seem to wanna do more than just buy as many off the shelf parts as they can, which is what Haas is infamous for
So it's even more fresh
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Ah yes, the year they forgot to literally Google someone before banking on recie...
Jesus christ man, and the worst part is, that wasn't even the first time they.got screwed out of major sponsor money
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And Haas have done okay
I wonder if they'll ever be a top team
Even Force India managed it
Honestly we'll see what happens won't we
I'm excited for ir all regardless
I never saw a team lowly
glacial pine
It's going to be great to have another team
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For sure
And in such a new environment
So if anything It gives them a fairer chance
lofty mirage
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Suffice to say they weren't very impressed
granite tangle
alonso george and lando are absolutely ready to start burst laughing
one look between then and it'd be over
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ngl, I don't understand all this nonsense that Liberty media goes through to bring "interest"
If it ain't car related, it doesn't belong in F1
The lego car parade made sense, this doesn't
granite tangle
ngl, I don't understand all this nonsense that Liberty media goes through to bri...
dont worry in this instance not even Belgian fans knew the lad
so its complete bs xd
severe spindle
dont worry in this instance not even Belgian fans knew the lad
That's honestly the funniest part of all this
Could have done anything and then they did this
brought someone who even Belgian fans neither knew nor cared for
Honestly geez louis
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one look between then and it'd be over
Indeed lol
It is pretty laughable to be honest
Good thing there's no Belgian driver on the grid
Cause I imagine he'd go and beat the shit out of whatever the gender of that singer is
glacial pine
I miss the Baku race where they had some lady who should be doing either Eurovision or Supervillain theme songs to do the anthem that was amazing
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alonso george and lando are absolutely ready to start burst laughing
Stroll looked pretty funny too
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I miss the Baku race where they had some lady who should be doing either Eurovis...
Definitely a better efforrt than this, but honestly singing has no place in F1, so I'd delete that sort of parade altogether
granite tangle
Definitely a better efforrt than this, but honestly singing has no place in F1, ...
actually that was supposed to be the belgian national anthem, which has a place in F1
just... not like that.
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actually that was supposed to be the belgian national anthem, which has a place ...
If it's an anthem, it needs to be portrayed with the upmost respect
With the way that was performed, I couldn't tell if the song was supposed to be some made-up crap
glacial pine
I think you should have fun with your national anthem
severe spindle
I believe you should only if it doens't deface the pride within the anthem
You have to realize a country's anthem is like religion
You don't just disrespect it
So any "funkiness" needs to be kept to a minimium
glacial pine
I don't think being fun is disrespectful.
Hell, that Belgian kid can at least sing, and seems to want to be there. Can't say that for a LOT of performances of the British and American anthems I've seen at Motorsport events
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Oh for sure
This fault isn't limited to this particular Beligian instance
Prime example being the needless grand events in Las Vegas
glacial pine
Oh vegas
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The money waste there is incredible
glacial pine
Yesssssss
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I really like the road course raid truck races
Its so cool
They realize the silliness of the event
So they make it more exciting
Also, alot of people on F1 subreddit are making apology memes for Perez, for calling him washed and "poorez"
Given the car was the problem not the driver
severe spindle
Hehe, very soft suspensions on the front
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a new racing series which has piqed my interest is the Trans-Am Series
In essense, the American equivalent of the old DTM and current Super GT
Silhouette racing at its finest
lofty mirage
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Thanks for the reacts hehe
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https://vxtwitter.com/44britcedes/status/1948002312934277504
Probably something better than this lol
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https://youtu.be/nbZINYATrTQ?si=NUM0_TCM3CH5ifdl
Not bad actually
granite tangle
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i read the news yesterday this would be a good bait otherwise xd
pale tinsel
fuck ๐
severe spindle
Pffft
I hope he can change things around
But I fear he's just going to get stuck with the same fate that happened to those guys
all of whom, I think poeple would say, were better drivers than Lewis
glacial pine
Bold statement
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Is it though?
I don't wanna put Lewis down
But out of most World Champions, he's had the easiest streak
Driving a car for 5 years which was utterly dominant
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And the moment Mercedes-AMG stopped being the dominant team, he was falling way behind others
severe spindle
He equalled Alonso as a rookie
Numbers only say half the story
Like Alonso and many other people stated
1- Lewis had far more practice hour in the car than Alonso
2- The switch to the new tires made the veteran Alonso struggle for the same driving style he had been used to
3- I don't wanna it's true, but there are alot of talks that hamilton was more favored in the paddock than Alonso and so he wasn't getting the team's attention as much as Hamilton was
And looking at the years where their cars have been relatively eqaul, Alonso did end up proving the better of Hamilton
Especially the Ferrari years, wehre the Ferrari car was said to be at best the top of the mid-field and yet he drove it to 2nd in the standings
Of course, I don't wanna pretend that F1 hasn't always been about who has the most dominant car, it's 90% the car and 10% the driver
glacial pine
Sure. But Alonso was already a double world champion before Lewis ever raced an F1 car.
severe spindle
But the overall suggests that shoudl Lewis not have had the advantagous years with Mercedes, he wouldn't reach that WDC title count so easily
glacial pine
But Motorsports is too complicated to distill down to a single "one person is better than another" tbh
severe spindle
Sure. But Alonso was already a double world champion before Lewis ever raced an ...
That's also true, and it has to be remembered, the years he won his titles, his car wasn't actually that dominant
the Renault's performance was relatively closely matched by Ferrari
It ended up coming down primarily to his skill
glacial pine
And then in 2007 they ended up on equal points
severe spindle
But Motorsports is too complicated to distill down to a single "one person is be...
Absolutely. And as I said early, I don't want to put Lewis down, but he needs to realize that nobody is bigger than Ferrari, whether in their success or mostly their failures
If he thinks he's NOT gonna coming down to the same fate as Alonso, Leclerc, Kimi and Seb, then he needs to be doing extra-time off the paddock and in the development of the car
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And then in 2007 they ended up on equal points
Factors played into it
But I don't think it's a stretch to say that Alonso isn't at least slightly above Lewis in terms of skill
I mean nobody has any issues calling Max the best driver on the grid
Clearly some are going to be better, even by the slighest margin, than others
Who knows, Estaban Ocon probably could have been a title contender should he have had a decent car
pale tinsel
I'm the biggest Alonso fan, but nah Lewis is def better than Fernando imo. As much as it pains me to say
glacial pine
Lewis has definitely burned less bridges
severe spindle
Hehe, he was certainly less of a hot head
But then again, Lewis has always raced for far fewer teams
Lewis: Mclaren, Mercedes-AMG and Ferrari
Fernando: Minardi, Renault, Mclaren, Ferrari, Alpine, Aston Martin
Plus it is unfair that when Lewis was racing in the dominant Mercedes-AMG car, Fernando was racing in the wheelie-bin Mclaren of that period
It's just bad luck, nobody deserves or is owed anything
pale tinsel
Fernando made horrible career choices
ngl, i think he should have stayed doing his multi discipline thing when he left F1 the first time
he was doing dakar, wec, indy
loads of stuff
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I mean we both know why drivers never stay away
No matter how much stuff they win outside of F1, it'll never bring them the same level of glory as F1
That's simply a sad truth of how much exposure F1 has compared to any other motorsport
pale tinsel
true true
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Fernando even won the 24 hours of Le Mans
But that hardly brought him any limelight
Even if he didn't have bad luck in his Indy500 venture, even if he won, it'd not bring him the same level of glory
pale tinsel
Indys last on his list for the triple crown
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An even better example would be Nico Hulkenberg
The man who's best career finish in F1 was a P3
And yet that brought him more glory and attention than his 24 Hours of Le Mans win ever did
pale tinsel
Buuut the aura farm he pulled bringing the le mans winner trophy to the driver conference at the next race
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Indys last on his list for the triple crown
But a shot at a third world title would make the triple crown meaningless
F1 is just that big
Nothing compares or comes relatively close
Sadly it's a bit systematic too, given what Bernie did back when Group C racing became more popular than F1