#payback

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civic stirrup
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what do you guys think of my s2000 build (had to put these tags as no payback on)e

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swift frigate
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because payback is the worst

civic stirrup
swift frigate
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Have you played Unbound?

civic stirrup
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Yes it's ass

swift frigate
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The handling is significantly better, the setting, map, and aesthetic are superior, the characters are somewhat likeable, the customization is better, the car list is bigger, the cops aren't scripted as fuck, your car can actually turn, the game has better mechanics, especially when it comes to vehicle upgrades. Unbound isn't like Payback where in concept it would've been something amazing (hashtag) but was abandoned for the worse version of Fast and Furious meets Disney. The rival characters are better and their cars are better, the tier system and the ability to build whatever you want without locked classes is better.

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and finally my biggest two gripes: Every car can reach 400+ unlike Payback at first, and curbs aren't completely fucked up like they are in Payback.

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If you think I'm lying to myself, there's your argument. Unbound is significantly better than Payback, though that isn't saying much as Payback is simply the absolute worst NFS game entirely.

civic stirrup
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Unbound is boring stupidly hard to get money thr cops are stupid its harder to drift the characters look worse than heat and the anime graphics are cheesy and cringey

swift frigate
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uhhh

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valid agruments please lmao

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the game is pretty easy, but that must be a skill issue

civic stirrup
swift frigate
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the "anime" effects are an actual art style Criterion went for, and clearly it worked out as Unbound is considered a success.

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As for drifting, it's called a learning curve

civic stirrup
swift frigate
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I'm sorry that cars don't NFS 2015 crabwalk like they do in Payback, drifting in Unbound is weird, but it's genuinely fun if you know how

civic stirrup
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The game is shocking

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It looks like the worst nfs game to come out

swift frigate
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wait lemme grab the right link lmao

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you must be some goofy ass birdbrain to think this is ugly

civic stirrup
swift frigate
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how

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It's a style, this isn't some boring ass Forza game with black ultra realistic graphics that look the exact same as the last game

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It looks as good as NFS 2015, if not far better

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and the graffiti effects work with it flawlessly

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it's called an art style

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hell, if you dont like the wings you can go without wings and markings, they have cloaked and in a couple of colors too

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I'd be braindead if I was "lying to myself" about Unbound being superior to Payback

civic stirrup
sour salmon
civic stirrup
sour salmon
civic stirrup
# sour salmon no

Why wpuld l you assume I haven't played them I've played every nfs game there is

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Nfs most wanted 2012 is one of my favourites

sour salmon
civic stirrup
sour salmon
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cause atleast you aren't restricted to buy more tickets and fuel and other stuff to just get a mediocre car

civic stirrup
sour salmon
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good, atleast something that we can agree on

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by my experience payback is more fun than the rest of the ghost/criterion's frostbite engine NFS

civic stirrup
sour salmon
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i even liked the outrun races where you could challenge other racers in the freeroam

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which added the life to the map

civic stirrup
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Yeah

sour salmon
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it's a shame the cops and goons are scripted and feel cheap

civic stirrup
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Yeah but that's with most games around that time

swift frigate
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Payback is actual dogshit

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The only NFS games I find even more boring and repetitive than Payback are MW05 and NL

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Meanwhile Unbound is one of the best of all time

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I gave you numerous reasons why it’s better

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all you had is “cringe anime effects” and “its hard 👶”

civic stirrup
swift frigate
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fact*

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Heat was shortlived because Payback got such awful reception

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Ghost is dead because of Payback

civic stirrup
civic stirrup
swift frigate
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low payouts for multiplayer races yes

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yes it was lmao

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one update

civic stirrup
swift frigate
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Heat had one update.

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Oh lmao you only played the beginning

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payouts got as high as like $80k if not more

civic stirrup
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If hear was short lives then blackpanthaa himself would have stopped playing it then wouldn't he

swift frigate
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you’re dumb lmao

civic stirrup
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But he didn't because he knew it was a good game to play

swift frigate
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ask anyone includinng Theo and he’ll say it too, Heat had one update and it stopped getting support afterwards

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it was short lived, not to mention after the story there was hardly anything to do lmao

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There were plans but Ghost was axed so they never came to fruition

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payback is the reason

civic stirrup
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Yeah but criterion ruined unbound

swift frigate
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how so lmao

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Criterion made literally the best NFS in a very long time

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I don’t go back to Heat because it’s boring, I went back to Payback to stream the story to my friend and now I refuse to run it anymore like MW05

civic stirrup
swift frigate
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Clearly you haven’t played Unbound

civic stirrup
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I have it is so bad

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I've played it nn my cousins xbox

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He games shares with me and I refuse to play it because ive seen how bad it is

swift frigate
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you wouldn’t complain about “low payouts” if you played it enough

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So you don’t play itt

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but you play Payback

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thats truly sad

civic stirrup
swift frigate
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I said don’t

civic stirrup
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It is bad I don't play it because it is shite

swift frigate
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present tense

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but you havent given it a chance lmao

civic stirrup
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Haven't played jt since because it is not a good gsme

swift frigate
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you’re choosing to play arguably the worst game in the series and saying one of the better ones is shit

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because you didn’t get the Forza experience and had to start in slow cars?

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with low payouts

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you're not even expected to win in the beginning jsyk

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You’re driving a stock car so it makes sense

civic stirrup
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It was still bad

swift frigate
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what class was his car?

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play the game dude

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play it for a little while

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instead of being a blind hater, play it

civic stirrup
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No I dont need too

swift frigate
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if you don’t like the effects, use cloaked

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dont be a baby

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you haven’t given me any valid reasons to say a game is shit

civic stirrup
swift frigate
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literally only the smoke remains

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how about this

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you wanna talk about cringe?

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MW05, Underground 2, Underground 1, Carbon, 2015, Payback, Heat

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Payback especially

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The characters never shut up, they sound as hollywood manufactured as they fucking come

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the story was done incredibly poorly

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the boss cars look like shit, especially Aki Kimura, a very poor attempt at reviving an old character, and Nova, with her J's Racing RTR Pagani

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I'll admit the story had potential, except they went with "I'll race to beat them" which was dumb. The characters were happy-go-lucky enough to be in the Forza franchise, the MF Ghost shit with the self-driving cars was also a bad move, even MF Ghost did it poorly.

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But I'll give you this, as someone who actually played Unbound, the story is solid but the political bit about shutting down street racing is pretty cringey, I get what they were going for but it was executed poorly, not as bad as Payback, but poorly regardless.

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anyways press F to pay respects, my B class S2000 couldn't handle the Camaros beef

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desert pine
desert pine
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The game is so easy

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The most crappiest story ever

swift frigate
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My favorite gripe about Payback because it's genuinely hilarious.

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This image covers it perfectly.

desert pine
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Yep

sharp jacinth
desert pine
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The fact that people are saying that nfs payback is better than unbound is just a wtf moment

swift frigate
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its objectively factually better in every single way

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even with the visual effects, Unbound has better graphics

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even with the weird drifting, Unbound has better physics

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even with the cringey political side of the story, Unbound has a better story

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"progression is shit" you haven't even played it if you're saying that lmao

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Not to mention, every car in the game can reach 400+ unlike a certain game from launch

desert pine
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Yet the cars in nfs payback can reach 399?

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And let’s not forget that the game has NO engine swaps and it has that crappy spin rolls

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For cards?

swift frigate
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the issue

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is when payback came out

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only the supercars could reach 399

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everything else capped at 299

desert pine
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And the other cars couldn’t

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Well derelicts car could hit 300 right?

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Or am I being dumb

swift frigate
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Derelicts could hit 399

desert pine
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At the time it was only derelicts, supercars/HyperCars

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And well I think some sport cars

swift frigate
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Everyone complained so they added Eddie's car which could reach 399

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everyone kept complaining so they eventually fixed it and now every car can reach 399

desert pine
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And people still complained?

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Or did it stop?

swift frigate
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it stopped when they fixed it

desert pine
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But then people complained about 1 or 2 cars that were OP

swift frigate
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thats every game tbf

desert pine
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It was in 3 games of nfs

swift frigate
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and Unbound is kinda broken with the 488

desert pine
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Really?

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Oh yeah I forgot, regera got nerfed

swift frigate
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Every NFS since at the very least Underground had an OP car

desert pine
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Well yeah but it wasn’t repetitive of the same car

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Or am I wrong there

swift frigate
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U1 has the RX7
U2 has the Corolla
MW has the Elise and 911 Turbo S
Carbon has the Evo and M3 GTR
ProStreet was the 911 Turbo
Undercover was the 911 GT2
The Run was the Golf
MW12 had the Venom (not as OP as people make it out to be btw)

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HP10 was the Sesto Elemento
Rivals was the One:1 I think

desert pine
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Then 2015: was the

swift frigate
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2015 was the RSR, Payback was the Beetle and Regera

desert pine
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I really don’t want to say the car

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Oh yeah I keep forgetting that there were different classes in nfs payback

swift frigate
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Heat was quite a few cars, mainly the RSR

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Unbound was the Regera

desert pine
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But then it got nerfed

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Yet in my opinion, they shouldn’t have did that car dirty

desert pine
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But although the only car I missed that wasn’t in NFS Heat was the Beck Kustoms

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That was a cool car

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From both 2015 and Payback it was a cool car

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But overall Payback is shit, Unbound is better

swift frigate
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infinitely

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and yeah, they could bring it back as like

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a potential contender for the Regera maybe

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also that thing handles so fucking well in NFS 2015

desert pine
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Yeah

nimble quartz
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and Unbound does look cringy

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if your gonna do that style, dont have hyperrealistic car models with them

desert pine
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That’s facts

swift frigate
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hyperrealism mixed with graffiti is the style

nimble quartz
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and its a style that might work for some people

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but not for me

swift frigate
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the game wouldn't be successful if it didnt work

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but its your preference

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not like it matters, you're the minority here

desert pine
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Yet you have mini that says Payback is better than Unbound….

swift frigate
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Preference

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But Unbound is objectively better

desert pine
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I meant the guy that said it

swift frigate
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ik

nimble quartz
nimble quartz
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I've been shoving my Payback stuff in his face since I met him lmao

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And to be fair if we took the microtransactions and "Lil Ty" out the picture, it'd probably be decently recieved

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Yes the cops were bad, yes the physics were odd and yes the characters were one note. But idk, I like it like that

swift frigate
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dude

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you're better off with undercover

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it was the worst nfs to everyone until Payback came out

nimble quartz
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I like undercover

swift frigate
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I love it

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I'm playing it rn

nimble quartz
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I thought MW2012 was the worst

swift frigate
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but it's significantly better

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No, MW 2012 was a successful and good game

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The fandom only hates it bc BlackPanthaa shat on it bc it was called MW

nimble quartz
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I don't know I've never actually hated a NFS game

swift frigate
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I disliked PU just because it was only Porsches and I dislike MW05 bc I played it with such high expectations since everyone sucks it off constantly

nimble quartz
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The one I probably liked the least was Underground 2 because it was impossible to make a nice looking car without leaving it stock

swift frigate
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Payback is the only game I genuinely hate

nimble quartz
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I havnt played Unbound cuz I don't feel like paying full price, but the artstyle of it puts me off

swift frigate
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2015 was constantly aiming in a good direction, and then they threw it out the window when they decided not to go with Hashtag's concept

nimble quartz
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I'll probably still enjoy it, but when I look at the characters

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All I think of is that God awful 2015 Transformers cartoon

swift frigate
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2015 suffers from a drift bug which isn't really Ghost's fault I realized

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and the fact that it's online only

nimble quartz
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The thing I don't like is that they keep getting harder. I'm very much a sandbox casual gamer so more work is off-putting

swift frigate
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What I hate about Unbound is that they make it difficult but then also make tuning dumbed down from 2015s tuning

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not just stance, but more importantly the performance tuning

nimble quartz
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Tbf my only gripe with Heat was that the upgrades were super expensive

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Oh and nighttine

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I hated nighttime

swift frigate
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nighttime was way worse originally

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but the difficulty was kinda the point of nighttime in Heat

nimble quartz
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That's why I have my issues with Undercover

swift frigate
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Day cops were classic NFS style, if you lose them they give up pursuit, in nighttime they hold a grudge on you

nimble quartz
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After a certain point the events became so hard for me that I just gave up

swift frigate
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I've never struggled with Undercover tbh

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Besides the Transporter event

nimble quartz
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I'm very sandbox casual

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I play on low difficulties

swift frigate
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But I just did it like an hour ago and it was pretty easy this time around

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Same, though I think I underestimate my skills

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Because I play Unbound and Heat on hard and they're relatively easy

nimble quartz
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But then again people say the train mission in GTA SA is hard but I finished it easily first time

swift frigate
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MW05 was braindead though, racing vipers in my VW

nimble quartz
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Lmao

swift frigate
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It wasn't hard until Ronnie, and then it was a pisstake again

nimble quartz
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I remember MW05 bieng a catwalk

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I remember the only reason I bought a faster car is cuz I loved that car

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Gen 1 Gallardo my beloved

swift frigate
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I kinda just used the Golf until I got Earl's car

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and then used that until I unlocked the 911 Turbo S, and then beat the game with it

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I hate that stupid M3 as an NFS fan bc it's fucking repetitive seeing it everywhere

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but in terms of the lore, it's very interesting

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It's survived decades and is still going on strong

nimble quartz
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The infamous unkillable M3

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A Demo Derby between the M3 GTR and the General Lee but it never ends because both cars are invincible

swift frigate
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I like to think the original one had a TVR engine and then was rebuilt with a generic V8

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hence the sounds it has in its many games

nimble quartz
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I like to think that it got an E92 heartswap later down the line

swift frigate
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not counting NL, MW12, or 2015/Paygay

nimble quartz
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Don't need to pay me to be gay 🙃

swift frigate
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no thanks im straight

nimble quartz
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For those games it just had the standard I6 right

swift frigate
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yeah, headcanon I think of it as a bunch of recreations

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in NFS lore, the M3 GTR is iconic as well

nimble quartz
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Cuz in that case maybe lorewise, it had a standard M3 engine whilst they were trying to figure out the right engine

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Bro when we gonna get TVR in NFS

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I wanna rice a Tuscan ngl

swift frigate
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We already had the M3 TVR

nimble quartz
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They will be a mod somewhere

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Let me go digging actually I wanna see if there was ever a TVR

swift frigate
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There are TVR mods, yes

nimble quartz
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Nope

swift frigate
desert pine
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Lol nico silenced mini with facts about Payback and Unbound

haughty pollen
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Who the fuck defends Payback

swift frigate
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average nfs fanboy who constantly shits on the newest game

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Watch, a couple games down and the latest NFS will be seen as the worst in the series even if it's the complete opposite

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and people will say "Unbound was so good, why did they ruin NFS?"

desert pine
haughty pollen
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Sure Unbound is lacking

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Doesn't make Payback remotely good

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Unbound is definitely not worth the 3 years it took and not to mention a good reason why it is next gen only

nimble quartz
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Hot Take: Payback would be seen as a good game if it wasnt for the upgrade system

tribal ocean
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for little me

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pepsi Kid

sour salmon
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back then i just had to cope with alot of lag

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and having my old laptop overheating constantly

haughty pollen
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Then I would say it is generally good

nimble quartz
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I don't care for freeroam cops

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And the story was fine

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Yall should be greatful there even was one

haughty pollen
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Wdym lmao

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Like 99% of the NFS player base does not play NFS for the story

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Also the lack of free roam cops already kills the fun since pursuits are pretty important to NFS and them being only available on story missions and being scripted which makes me wish they didn't bother adding cops to begin with for Payback

swift frigate
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It's finally March, who knows just how much they'll add

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It could only be a little bit, or it could be a massive update

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I won't get my hopes up and neither should you but there's always chance

haughty pollen
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If it's little

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I am gonna delete it

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And install RDR2

swift frigate
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I wouldn't mind tbh

haughty pollen
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I already did as much on the game plus no one wants to play MP

swift frigate
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Unbound still remains the best modern NFS imo

haughty pollen
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Ngl Unbound should've been on last gen

swift frigate
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Also it's Criterion, I trust them

haughty pollen
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It's not the same one

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Plus they already did a awful job in the marketing department

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Plus they are being really slow and not talking to the community about the updates

swift frigate
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It's old criterion except mostly new people

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but yeah sure

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I still trust them lmao

haughty pollen
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Poor NFS fan

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Everyone already hates them for not caring and lying

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They honestly been advising clothes brands and it really shows on their promotions and their Instagram stories

swift frigate
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turning off effects?

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that was literally it

haughty pollen
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Turning off effects and being focus on car culture

swift frigate
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it was a focus on street culture but yeah

haughty pollen
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Most people I talked too say Unbound doesn't even focus on cars

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Only clothes brand

swift frigate
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which is a lie btw

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they added branded clothing like Heat did, I don't see what the difference is lmao

haughty pollen
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Honestly it is pretty bad that they didn't bother renew the Audi license and getting more parts

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They just focus on clothes and they still do

swift frigate
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Again, that's a pure lie

haughty pollen
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How

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Have you seen their advertisements and Instagram stories

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It's literally just clothes and clothes and barely talk about cars

swift frigate
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Oh, boohoo they advertised the character customization lmao

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Even then they added customization for a bunch of cars

haughty pollen
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The KS kits

swift frigate
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E92, C63, and Cayman are a few of the cars that got new parts, and they already said they'd add more

haughty pollen
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While they remove more

swift frigate
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They removed jackshit lmao

haughty pollen
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Like ChargeSpeed and Sunline and more KS stuff

swift frigate
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The KS kits weren't even removed, they just aren't purchasable, just like Heat

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Hell, you had to get Deluxe to get the KS cars

haughty pollen
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Ok and what about the other two brands I mentioned

swift frigate
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Meanwhile the "legendary" cars are bodykits you can fit on and still customize liveries, effects, and rims unlike heat

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Sunline and Chargespeed are just a licensing thing

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and again, they say they'll add more over time

haughty pollen
swift frigate
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The BRZ has a bunch of other kits anyways, the R34 has options anyways, look at the Cayman, 3 games and it got jackshit until Unbound

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which gave it 3 or 4 bodykits

swift frigate
haughty pollen
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And obviously they didn't want to pay for the licenses cuz they need more clothes brand

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No excuse to remove them

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There ain't no way you are gonna defend this

swift frigate
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Then how about Most Wanted losing Nissan or their Art Factory licenses? They had no reason to remove them

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or how about Payback and Heat removing ORIGINAL vinyls for no reason

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So fucking what if they put SOME of their budget into clothes? It's not like it was a main focus

haughty pollen
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It kinda of is

swift frigate
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Even then, the game is STREET CULTURE

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not just the car culture

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STREET as in clothes cars and music altogether

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I'd rather lose a couple of kits for even more kits on cars that had jackshit

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instead of keeping those and leaving it just as Ghost would've

haughty pollen
swift frigate
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Even if they didn't focus on clothes it's not like they'd make the KS kits available anyways

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The KS kits were never available, they were essentially just paid DLC

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and you couldn't even do shit with them

haughty pollen
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Some KS kits are available now in Unbound

swift frigate
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Yeah, the ones that were supposed to be installable anyways

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the actual kits that were supposed to be useable instead of exclusive cars

haughty pollen
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Idk why Criterion is taking a long ass time

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January patch is already god awful

swift frigate
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I dunno, after working on 2 games, taking a month off, and then getting to work afterwards, it's not like they're super human

haughty pollen
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Ghost games were faster

swift frigate
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They made copy paste garbage

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they could never fix the handling nor were they able to add all that much content besides whatever the last game had

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faster in cost of any actual additional content

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besides a few cars that hardly even had any customization

haughty pollen
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Plus Criterion has Codemasters even so the studio must be bigger then Ghost games already

swift frigate
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That's why Unbound is bigger than Heat, has more content, an entirely new system, and even a completely reworked handling model

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I'd like to see you do that faster than they did

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They worked on it for like 2 or 2 and a half years because again, they were working on BF2042

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in case you forgot

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Meanwhile Ghost merely changed the map, added a few cars, and slightly tweaked 2015s handling

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of course they were faster, but Criterion was more efficient

haughty pollen
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Sure they were helping with BF2042 but they got a extra year from it and the new cars aren't even new since most of them were rip from scraped Heat DLCs and the handling is definitely better that's for sure

swift frigate
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They only got the 2 years Ghost usually had anyways

haughty pollen
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They gave them extra time

swift frigate
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also the new cars "scraped from heat" was only the Countach and RX-8

haughty pollen
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Nope

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I have proof that it was 8 cars

swift frigate
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oh, another thing

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they actually added shit to it

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and again, bigger game, reworked physics

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so even if the cars are from heat, its still a fucking avalanche better

haughty pollen
swift frigate
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i wonder why

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current gen only vs last gen

haughty pollen
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Nah

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Everyone hates Unbound

swift frigate
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no

haughty pollen
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And Criterion doesn't give a fuck

swift frigate
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the fandom hates unbound

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the fandom hates unbound like they hated heat

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like they hated most wanted

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like they hated underground

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its nothing new

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its always been that way

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for decades

haughty pollen
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I will agree making it next gen only is really stupid choice and their excuse was

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"We gotta move on"

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Unbound MP is also another mess

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Like how is it worse then Heat's

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I wish the January update fixed the MP but nope

swift frigate
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wow such valid reviews right

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cops are too hard, heat 2.0, "taken away from seriousness", "bad soundtrack and bad handling with grip implemented"

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this is the fandom

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these are just nfs fans doing what nfs fans always do

haughty pollen
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Unbound is Heat 2.0

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How do you not see it

swift frigate
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So MW05 is Underground 3

haughty pollen
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The OST is subjective

swift frigate
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and Undercover is Underground 6

haughty pollen
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Handling is mid

swift frigate
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Since they use the same engines

haughty pollen
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Heat and Unbound doesn't even feel different besides the visual aspect

swift frigate
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NFS Fans like to say that Heat is Payback 2 or Unbound is 2015 reworked, it's a constant fucking complaint

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Yet that's why they complain

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But Unbound feels completely different to Heat

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in atmosphere, handling, graphics, and everything in between

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the only similarities is knowing it's a Frostbite game and the car list

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It's just the same petty bullshit that's regurgitated game after game after game after game

haughty pollen
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Handling is just Heat handling if it was finished

swift frigate
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The time NFS wasn't "the same" every year was "the era that killed nfs"

haughty pollen
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Grip sucks ass sometimes

swift frigate
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so why is that even a fucking complaint

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NFS fans only want to complain, and you wonder why the devs don't give a fuck, even then they do to an extent

haughty pollen
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I wish EA can pull the plug on NFS

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I think it's already suffer enough

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The fans would be angry and the devs obviously doesn't care

swift frigate
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Underground

haughty pollen
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The game isn't worth the $70 they are asking and definitely not worth the current gen only

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I really want to ask Criterion why is it next gen only

swift frigate
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MW 2005

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It's literally no different

haughty pollen
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Because if I had to guess the optimization is so shit that they didn't want to bother fixing it till later

swift frigate
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Only difference is there are more fuckers shitting on the newer games because of influence by the likes of BlackPanthaa since Most Wanted 2012, which was a successful game just like Unbound mind you

haughty pollen
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Unbound was definitely successful

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But it fell

swift frigate
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Everyone complained about NFS "straying away from what made it great" or "its a step backwards"

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But that's the exact same shit as every other NFS

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Even the "golden era" black box games

haughty pollen
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The positive reviews slowly dropped to mid area

swift frigate
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Playing Undercover is just playing MW with less grippy physics, so Undercover should be a rework of Most Wanted, and it is

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So what, it's not a bad thing

haughty pollen
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NFS gotta stop doing what 05 did

swift frigate
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Unbound is another rework of 2015, so what? It's significantly better than even Heat, I enjoy the grip racing alot and although the drifting has a learning curve, once you get the hang of it, it's fun as hell

haughty pollen
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Clearly it hasn't been working for years at this point

swift frigate
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I don't like Heat. It's boring and the map is trash

haughty pollen
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I want to see something like Prostreet 2 but ik fans would get mad it's not illegal street racing

swift frigate
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2015, 2012, Rivals, and Unbound all have significantly better maps than Payback and Heat

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I enjoy driving around those maps alot

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As for Heat I just get tired of it after an hour or so

haughty pollen
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That I will agree Heat map is pretty meh

swift frigate
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I'm climbing up to 400 hours on Unbound and personally I'm still not tired of it

haughty pollen
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Unbound map is so fucking good and would defend it

swift frigate
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It's actual fun, even though after the story there isn't much to do in single player, that doesn't mean it's not fun to play it eitherways

haughty pollen
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I only got around 65 hours on PC and around 50 ish on PS5 and already got bored due to the MP side really lack

swift frigate
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It's like going back to Carbon to run some quick races for a few hours

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Post content isn't a necessity for NFS, it's never been imo

haughty pollen
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Are you really gonna say MP is fine

swift frigate
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MP is broken, I understand that

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They didn't fix it in January but that's whatever

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Besides B and A tiers being fucked, MP is fine.

haughty pollen
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I want to keep playing but the low payouts and gearing exploit just ruins

swift frigate
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I would like for AFKers to get kicked and for rammers to get punished but that's whatever

haughty pollen
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I swear no one even wants to race

swift frigate
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The payouts are a the only gripe I have but even then it's not so bad

haughty pollen
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And my friends doesn't even want to play MP due to lack of motivation

swift frigate
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Though personally, I never have problems with races, it's Heat where I never get anyone to race with me

haughty pollen
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And there is some challenges that are pretty bad like crash out other drivers

swift frigate
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and I don't want to go back to Heat because it's bland as shit and doesn't offer a fraction of the fun Unbound does

haughty pollen
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Which sadly highlights Criterions issues

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They gotta keep adding stuff that was liked in Burnout

swift frigate
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Shit, what's the point of cops in an NFS if you can't even fight them, besides stupid ass jumps

haughty pollen
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I always fight back in Heat and still have no issues

swift frigate
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At least I can have a blast with the cops in Unbound, the cops who actually have unique strengths and weaknesses as well so it's fun to strategize against them

haughty pollen
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Unbound pursuits has been pretty boring since they seem to suicide more

swift frigate
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Meanwhile in Heat I have to be careful bc oh no my car takes too much damage

haughty pollen
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And they never attack

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They just follow and die

swift frigate
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Oh, I wanna fight off police? I better just jump off a ramp and they're too retarded to take a fucking jump

haughty pollen
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Atleast Heat cops they actually try to fight

swift frigate
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I find Unbound's cops significantly better? They do try to fight, yeah they kill themselves but that's every fucking NFS believe it or not

haughty pollen
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What's the difference

swift frigate
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That's my gripe with MW05, don't even get me started on that shit

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It's even worse on Undercover because the cops are actually competent enough to keep up with you in heavier heats

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and you have to rely on them to even dream of getting away

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Which is honestly exactly like Heat

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Except in Undercover I can at least slam into cops without worrying about my fragile ass health bar

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I have a blast doing that

haughty pollen
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I guess I am the only one who always fights and ram cops in Heat and have no issues

swift frigate
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Heat's cops are the weakest in every NFS game besides 2015

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You must be someone special then

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Ghost was retarded enough to NOT strengthen player health and instead put cops in pussy mode

haughty pollen
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I say Unbound cops are weaker just because they don't bother attacking

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Feels like I just race with them

swift frigate
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Unbound's cops attack plenty

haughty pollen
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I play on intense and they just drive

swift frigate
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I play on Insane difficulty and they gang up on me constantly

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Hell, I've been taken down incredibly quick whenever I was in a chase with slower cars even

haughty pollen
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Really?

swift frigate
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with faster cars it's usually the Corvettes and F-150s going at me

haughty pollen
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I always escape them with a stock Eclipse

swift frigate
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The F-150s being too strong to ram is fine with me though as they're fucking heavy duty trucks

haughty pollen
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Heat 5 on intense and they barely do anything

swift frigate
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Well I dunno

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your shit is clearly backwards

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your health in Heat isn't fragile as glass and your Unbound cops are braindead

haughty pollen
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I replayed Heat and they always attack

swift frigate
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its funny really

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Oh yeah, Heat's cops attack

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and you can't do shit about it

haughty pollen
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Yeah you can just drive faster or break hard

swift frigate
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Hell, T-Boning a fucking cop takes damage on my own car

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like what the fuck

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That doesn't happen in literally any other NFS game ever

haughty pollen
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I was scared of the F-150s initially but the more I played the more I got bored since I just take them down very easily

swift frigate
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Not MW12, not Hot Pursuit, not Unbound, none of the old games, none of them punish me for t-boning a cop when I clearly have the stronger hand in such situation

haughty pollen
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Which is not a good sign

swift frigate
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It's depressing when I have a better chance getting away in Heat jumping into the ocean then actually slamming them into cars and walls

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Heat*

haughty pollen
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Again why do you make jumping on ramps bad if you most likely use pursuit breakers in BB games

swift frigate
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both do damage but the latter is outright suicidal

haughty pollen
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They aren't much different

swift frigate
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and I don't like that I have to

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I can't get away from cops in Undercover unless I use pursuit breakers just like I can't get away from cops unless I either pass them at top speed which is hilarious btw, or by taking jumps

haughty pollen
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Man really

swift frigate
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I use it but I gripe about it regardless because I have to

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I have to use these stupid shits

haughty pollen
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Undercover cops are always brain dead

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I always escape them under 20 seconds

swift frigate
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In lower heats sure

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When it's GTRs and 911s thats a whole different story lmao

haughty pollen
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On Heat 5 usually under a minute without any breakers

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Since they just drive away

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In a wrong direction

swift frigate
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Heat doesn't affect what chases you lmao

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I'll be heat 1 and have like 7 911s on my ass

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But regardless I'm saying Heats cops are just as pathetic

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Unbound's cops are at least decent

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shit

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No other racing game does cops like NFS and Unbound is the best of the best imho

haughty pollen
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Heat cops would've been better if they didn't get nerfed like 2 or 3 times

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I played the 1.0 and shit they were definitely more aggressive

swift frigate
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Heats cops would've been good if they were Unbound's cops

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aka Ghost was actually competent

haughty pollen
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Where they just drive and do nothing?

swift frigate
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Like Heat lmao?

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Lemme tell you this, cops can't even keep up in Heat in the middle of a race

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meanwhile Unbounds cops which "just drive and do nothing" done a hell of a better job with keeping up mid race

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another thing is the helicopters actually have a purpose unlike Heat lmao

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Heat's helicopters are pathetically useless

haughty pollen
haughty pollen
swift frigate
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The amount of times I've escaped despite a helicopter being right above me is hilarious

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"nerf"

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yes blame the nerf

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or blame Ghost for being, again, incompetent

haughty pollen
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I wouldn't cuz Unbound proves

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Look at my video

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I didn't even bother trying and I escaped that easily on Intense

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Another one where they don't try

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Like what's the hold up buddy

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And they went in the wrong highway

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Intense cops are really good

swift frigate
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a literal rolling roadblock attempt is just driving and doing nothing? cops attempting to box me in is just driving and doing nothing?

haughty pollen
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Better then wtf Unbound does

tribal ocean
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he wanna cruise with you

haughty pollen
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Yeah that's what Unbound does

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Cruise

swift frigate
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they're trying to box me in, they're slamming into me, they're brake checking me

haughty pollen
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Sounds like what they do in Heat

swift frigate
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how is that doing nothing

haughty pollen
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Not in Unbound

tribal ocean
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what clothes are in unbound

swift frigate
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Only difference is I can actually fight them back, I can actually have a challenge because they can keep the fuck up

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Meanwhile Heat's cops can't keep up and when they do hit me, or rather when I attempt to hit them, I take a lot of damage eitherway

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and if I wanna get away I have to take jumps

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as annoying as relying on pursuit breakers in MW or Undercover

haughty pollen
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You don't have too lmao

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I never use pursuit breakers and never used ramps

swift frigate
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Right, I can outrun them no problem

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because they're slow as fuck

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even the corvettes are slow as fuckj

haughty pollen
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As for Unbound they just gotta suicide

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And boom

swift frigate
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and the rhinos are incompetent as well, spawning in roads that I'm not even on

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I showed you a video of cops actually attacking so I dunno what you're on lmao

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If I reinstall Heat, get my ass up to Heat 5, I'll try to get busted

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We'll fucking see how much "better" those cops are

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I won't jump or anything

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I'll just run

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Not like they can keep up anyways with my 280 Skyline lmao

haughty pollen
swift frigate
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and Heats cops totally dont do that

haughty pollen
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Yeah ik

swift frigate
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Hell, how about the cops in Heat who don't even chase me when I blow past them

haughty pollen
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I thought Criterion would've fixed this

swift frigate
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or how about the cops who are too dumb to circle around a building to get to me

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or how about the cops who drive themselves into buildings on a straight road

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oh wait, why does that sound familiar

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but thats not cars or narrow ass exits

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thats buildings on the sides of a wide ass empty road lmao

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but no, Heats cops must be so much better

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It's not Ghost not being able to make competent police, it must be the nerf

haughty pollen
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Damn that Criterion meat must be good right

swift frigate
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Good enough to improve them

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Even if they aren't perfect, they're undeniably an upgrade

haughty pollen
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🥱

swift frigate
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🤓

haughty pollen
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I love that they cruise and do nothing

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Having a broken lack luster MP

swift frigate
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I love that Heats cops cant even catch up to me

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I love that Heat forces you to engine swap

haughty pollen
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A story with God awful writing

swift frigate
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I love that Heat has jackshit to do after the story

haughty pollen
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Atleast Heat has "side stories" what does Unbound have

swift frigate
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I love Heat's story where they canonically return the M3 GTR

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Oh yeah, "Side stories"

haughty pollen
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After the main story

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Literally nothing happens

swift frigate
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Because they couldn't add the other race modes into the main gameplay

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must've been an afterthought

haughty pollen
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Tell me what Unbound has

swift frigate
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Hell, making me think Payback was great at this point

haughty pollen
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Heat would've gotten more shit but unfortunately we knew what happened to them

swift frigate
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Hell, Unbound had drift events and takeovers being one of the focuses lmao

haughty pollen
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Thanks EA and Payback

swift frigate
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Even with practice runs all over the map

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totally not a side thought like Heat

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but wait, it genuinely wasn't lmao

haughty pollen
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Doesn't Heat have drift events live_aap

swift frigate
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Yeah, but you don't realize it until you notice the side stories

haughty pollen
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Takeovers are pretty nice but it's not new

swift frigate
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not new no

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but it's implemented and even emphasized on

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Meanwhile drifting in Heat was just tossed in and "oh heres rachel car" when you finish the shit

haughty pollen
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Atleast it offer something unique

swift frigate
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oh also

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"drag tires are better for drift"

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thats hilarious

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Shit, I heard Unbound was similar with off-road tires being better than drift tires but, that's just false

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it's all in the tuning but drift tires are actually best for drift

haughty pollen
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I ain't gonna agrue on the drift stuff

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Never really bother making a drift build

swift frigate
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Honestly

haughty pollen
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I don't like the drift collectibles due to the time limit

swift frigate
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Unbound's drifting is at least actually unique, since you're not drifting the entire game lol

swift frigate
haughty pollen
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It feels unnecessary

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To add them

swift frigate
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oh well

haughty pollen
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I barely do them anyways

swift frigate
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adds a challenge

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not like there's much to it anyways

haughty pollen
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I barely drift since ik it loses alot of speed and mainly focus on the grip side

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Which I am super happy Unbound supports

swift frigate
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which makes the drift events

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more unique

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which is a good thing

tribal ocean
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but I liked them a little bit

haughty pollen
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Was it?

swift frigate
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yes but also no

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they were seperate modes

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drift events and smashable events

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Payback put them in one event, but still in seperate zones

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Unbound put it all together and lets you do the stuff simultaneously

haughty pollen
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Oh right I forgot about those events in MW12

nimble quartz
swift frigate
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you’re late smh

nimble quartz
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still enjoying reading what I missed

ivory scaffold
nimble quartz
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Basic "little guys take down the big guys" story

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Two of em do races to get into some big race, one of em does courier stuff to further get into the big guys operation

ivory scaffold
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yeah it could have been better, god the shit I had to do just to unlock a certain car

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had to be the most boring two weeks on a NFS game ever

nimble quartz
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at least unlocking cars in NFS heat was pretty doable by just doing the story

desert pine
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Payback is the most easiest and boring game ever

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Play 2015 for a while to get a call for the eddies skyline

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Boot up payback

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And boom

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Save up your cards for the off-road

ivory scaffold
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I didn't bother using that Skyline

nimble quartz
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Eddie's skyline does make life a lot easier

swift frigate
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Remember Eddie's Skyline is only there bc most cars couldn't reach past 299

nimble quartz
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Anoyyingly