#Magic: the Gathering

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surreal stag
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Nice

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Well maybe between those two I’m like half way to buying a precon

slender moss
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Painter's Servant + Grindstone is played in Artifacts decks in Commander, legacy, and I think vintage

surreal stag
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TIL

turbid falcon
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Yeah it's the classic combination of uniquely powerful and low printed, thus expensive

surreal stag
leaden tide
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Well this was a surprise.

tepid stirrup
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That's a lot of turtles

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You should offer to take the turtles off Target's hands for them if they can't sell them

leaden tide
surreal stag
leaden tide
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It's not I swear, the last one didn't have Avatar in it!

wanton hazel
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although it kinda looks like there might be a bunch of turtle packs behind one or two avatar packs

surreal stag
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they jsut photoshopped the avatar packs in dont beleive the lies

leaden tide
stiff horizon
lucid jewel
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Deck has been printed out and cut out and sleeved

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Excited to try it out

leaden tide
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Yay salt generation! Hope you have fun being the villain.

dense orchid
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If Kozilek is your commander and you choose to send it to the graveyard, can you then choose to send it to the command zone when you're graveyard gets shuffled into your library?

lucid jewel
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Its even got a couple sources of land destruction like strip mine

lucid jewel
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The operation specifically might be what you mention but the end result is the same

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I guess there might be instant speed removal from graveyard that matters ill look into it if I end up buying the deck for reals

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Reddit has the answer

plush bear
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It doesn’t go on the stack

lucid jewel
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Nice

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Love that for me

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Theres a bunch of ramp and eldrazi bs i was gonna test it today but life

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So will probs test it next monday

plush bear
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You could in theory let it go to your deck, then hope to draw it to avoid commander tax, but that’s an edge case

lucid jewel
plush bear
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Eye of Ugin could be nice for that

lucid jewel
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Thats in the deck

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That thing really needs a reprint its so expensive

spare harbor
# plush bear Doesn’t matter, moving a commander can happen any time it changes zones, and is ...

this is a slightly oversimplified explanation of the rule. Choosing for a commander to the command zone instead of hand or library is a replacement effect (so yes, a kozilek dying, staying dead, then being returned to command zone would work). Going to the graveyard or exile still happens, but if a commander is in the graveyard or exile when SBA are checked and wasn't the last time SBA were checked (the last time a player had priority), its owner can choose to then move it to the CZ.

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(I only know this because I play [[come back wrong]] lol)

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oh shoot forgot that bot isn't here lol

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this one is goofy because if you target a commander, it is still put into a graveyard, and since the spell is still resolving, SBA aren't checked yet, so you get to put it onto the battlefield under your control and your opponent can't do any CZ shenanigans with it

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it's especially fun when you can end the turn in response to the sacrifice trigger so you get to keep it.

lucid jewel
spare harbor
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or a random ogre lady

turbid falcon
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Magic is fun

surreal stag
# lucid jewel

what site/format did you user to get cards the right size on pages to print?

lucid jewel
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https://mtgprint.net/ this was super automatic and super easy to use

MTG Print is a free service offered by CardTrader to PROXY print Magic The Gathering decks with your home printer

lucid jewel
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it just all did it i imported directly from the text export from moxfiled

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and then adjusted the printings then pressed print

surreal stag
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comming to an office depot near my house. I present.......4 very mean commander decks...and 2 bracket 2 hehe funny times

lucid jewel
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yasssss!!!!

surreal stag
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im assuming ill have a better time if i go with the simple/clean printings and not get all fancy as i am want to do

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case in point

leaden tide
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Inspired by my discussion with @tepid stirrup the other day. Might throw this in my next proxy order.

leaden tide
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I have a version with the print bleed too if you want.

leaden tide
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Two uncommons from Strixhaven

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These look.......really bad. Like, l"iterally only run these if you open absolutely no other removal in your prerelease packs" kind of bad.

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And even then you might be better off running a vanilla 3-mana 2/3

lucid jewel
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theres some decks that get heaps from that much discard tho

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and they uasually run some black cost reduction

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i would only run it in very focused discard decks

leaden tide
lucid jewel
leaden tide
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idk, for the decks that want this, I feel they have access to much more efficient ways of getting discard to happen.

lucid jewel
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I didnt read that far down

leaden tide
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Something something reading the card

lucid jewel
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Explains the card

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!!!!

leaden tide
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Like, Strixhaven is going to be an enemy color set. So running 3 colors in limited (wedges) is not out of the question. But unless there's some special sauce like the dragons in Dragonstorm that sometimes makes WUBRG viable, the above spells top out at 3 for 6 mana. Which is a crap rate for both of their effects, especially the red one.

lucid jewel
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Excess damage

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Thats so bad

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So so bad

surreal stag
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gotta lopve the draft chaft removal that youll have to take just to get by lol

leaden tide
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If this is the standard for removal in this set, it's gonna be a grinder limited format than even Lorwyn.

leaden tide
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Couple of cards leaking from Strixhaven

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First of all, this looks like a great card for spell-slingers. Not sure if it will fit in my prowess deck but I have other ideas too.

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Second off, uh. This.

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(Yes this is a real card)

lucid jewel
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i guess mabey we get the full list of them ? on cards like this

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that would be interesting

leaden tide
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Can't wait to use it as a proxy where they just sharpie out everything but the ||Ancestral Recall||

lucid jewel
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HAHAHAHA

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YES

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love it

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"why is almost all of your card sharpied"

leaden tide
lucid jewel
leaden tide
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Seems like the mechanic will probably only work with instants and sorceries. But it would be funny if it worked with lands, artifacts, etc.

lucid jewel
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i mean they printed that mathamagic card so things can be complex and weird and i hope they lean into the weird

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what does "become prepared mean"

rare sparrow
leaden tide
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||So this isn't actually Ancestral Recall, as you'd need to spend 6 mana to get there. But it's a fascinating design space nonetheless.||

lucid jewel
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that makes sense

leaden tide
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I wonder if this mechanic will get cards at uncommon.

leaden tide
rare sparrow
lucid jewel
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i would imagine that || this mechanic sees more play in red and blue and outside of those colours it sees less but still some presence ||

leaden tide
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Well the red-and-blue mechanic has also leaked, it's the one in the other card I posted. ||Rewards you for spending 5 or more mana casting spells. So I think prepared spells will definitely be WUBRG.||

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Also the source of these leaks is hilarious, apparently they were opened in Turtles packs.

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Maybe I should go to my Target and buy some of their endless supply of Turtles 🤣

lucid jewel
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dont do it

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dont support the sets that are bad ideas

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we vote with our wallet

leaden tide
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Wasn't planning on it lol, no need to contaminate my collection.

gloomy pagoda
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The latest WotC marketing strat: put cards from different sets in packs so you can gamble while you gamble!

leaden tide
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There are two Turtles cards that I do want to buy, but A) they're not too turtley, and B) they don't come in boosters so no point in bothering.

lucid jewel
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thats a pretty sweet wall

leaden tide
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Red Massacre Girl

rare sparrow
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the only tmnt card i want is a common so i should be able to incidentally pick it up at some point

turbid falcon
leaden tide
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Correct

lucid jewel
turbid falcon
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Okay I was thinking it was an adventure and I was like this is just nuts

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But seems it's not

lucid jewel
acoustic wedge
leaden tide
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No it seems to be a new mechanic, different from Adventures and Omens.

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||With the former, you could cast either the smaller (usually cheaper) spell in the textbox, or the main spell. With this, it looks like you can cast the smaller spell if the permanent it comes on is in the "prepared" state.||

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At least that's the assumption. We need to see one with reminder text to be sure.

gloomy pagoda
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I'm digging through blink lists to see how broken we can get it, I think the best I've found so far is this card

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Strix Leaks via Turtles ||Hmm, though I guess if a creature is turning into another card, they aren't entering at it, so the shards might not be Prepared||

acoustic wedge
rare sparrow
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Before previews for _Secrets of Strixhaven _​officially begin, I thought it would be fun to do another of my _Duelist_​-style teasers where I give tiny hints of things to come. Note that I’m only giving you partial information.

First up, here are some things you can expect:

• An ability word returns which first appeared on a second visit to a popular plane

• Four of the five school get a new mascot (aka creature tokens and sometimes cards)

• A mythic rare cycle that grants your instants and sorceries old keywords

• A new mechanic that redoes an old mechanic without its drawback

• A spell which costs {X}{X}{U}

• A mechanic that has been in _Magic_​ for many years finally becomes a card name

• a 6/6 with a mana value of 1

• A new Pox spell

• A spell that grants a specific deciduous mechanic to any cards of two specific card types

• A cycle referencing iconic spells from Alpha

Next, here are some rules text that will be showing up on cards:

• “Whenever [CARDNAME] attacks, ...

leaden tide
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• A cycle referencing iconic spells from Alpha

lucid jewel
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I wonder what they could be

rare sparrow
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||it does look like we're getting a cycle of prepared cards like the ancestral recall one. i suspect black= dark ritual, red=lightning bolt, not sure about the other two. doubt they'll do giant growth and healing salve to complete that cycle off because those two are so much weaker. maybe berserk and swords to plowshares||

leaden tide
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||Doing Healing Salve would be such a complete troll||

lucid jewel
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|| has to be swords||

leaden tide
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||Yeah that's much more likely.||

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||Ritual and Bolt are probably safe bets too.||

rare sparrow
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||berserk text is actually probably too long||

leaden tide
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||Green....could be Giant Growth, but maybe something more powerful?||

acoustic wedge
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||These are certainly words I understand mhm||

rare sparrow
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||if it's not a full cycle of mythic rares and there is a rarity imbalance, giant growth could work||

gloomy pagoda
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||Giant Growth could also work if there's a really easy way to reprepare||

leaden tide
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For green, ||Channel? Too much of a color pie break?||

rare sparrow
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||channel feels too strong to me||

lucid jewel
leaden tide
gloomy pagoda
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||A mythic cycle that grants old keywords? Welcome back, Banding!||

rare sparrow
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||regrowth or giant growth are the two that seem the most likely after thinking about it for a little bit. they don't really like fogs it feels to me, berserk text is too long to fit in the "adventure frame", channel probably too powerful. other ||

leaden tide
rare sparrow
gloomy pagoda
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Strix Leaks ||They aren't renewable, but I've found a couple cards that flicker for U. I'm pretty sure that's still like borderline breakable.||

leaden tide
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Yeah I think the short list for green is:

  • ||Giant Growth (weak)||
  • ||Fog (also kinda weak)||
  • ||Regrowth (color pie bend, but strong)||
  • ||Channel (color pie break but strong)||
leaden tide
gloomy pagoda
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||Absolutely, but going infinite is more fun!||

leaden tide
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||Hell, just Deadeye Navigator alone would be enough to pull too far ahead to catch. 3 mana for repeatable draw 3 is nuts.||

lucid jewel
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im just glad that it seems that this set will be a banger already

gloomy pagoda
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||The big semi-renewable option I'm looking at is Escape Protocol||

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||It's clunky and not guaranteed, but having an option to turn mana into cards is always going to be big, especially if you lean into it in deckbuilding||

leaden tide
leaden tide
lucid jewel
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so thinking eldrazi, when should i expect some things to come out for some eldrazi things if i end up loving the deck i printed

leaden tide
leaden tide
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But none of the tentpole releases look to be Eldrazi themed.

lucid jewel
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thats why i asked cause none really seem like they vibe with it

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i totally expect some in reality fracture depending on what that actually is

rare sparrow
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I suspect we’ll get more eldrazi eventually given the unresolved emrakul stuff and the one off eldrazi in EOE

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Just a question of when

lucid jewel
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foundations had the 7 boy as well

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he is sweet

rare sparrow
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Oh yeah, forgot about that one

leaden tide
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And EoE had the one Anticausal Vestige

rare sparrow
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Oh, to the point about “granting instants and sorceries old keywords”, they did officially preview velomachus a while back that gives spells miracle

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So it’s probably the dragons that do it

leaden tide
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Yeah.

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Agreed.

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Also, regarding the leaked card on the alpha cycle, ||the black one could also be Demonic Tutor. That one's pretty damn iconic, and less of a color pie break than Ritual.||

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Some other options for red: ||Fork, Fireball?, Wheel of Fortune||

lucid jewel
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i would love if it was ||WHEEL!!!!||

leaden tide
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For white, I'm not seeing many other viable options.

tepid stirrup
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I'm not entirely sure Demonic Tutor is capable of being a color pie break LUL

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Too classic

leaden tide
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I was referring to Dark Ritual as the break.

tepid stirrup
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Oh I see

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Yeah I misread

leaden tide
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||Blaze of Glory, maybe, if they wanted something really out of left field? The oracle text is shorter than this version, but still kinda long.||

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||Yeah I'd bet money on White getting Swords on a stick.||

lucid jewel
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|| theres no way imo that if ancestral recall is on a stick that they dont give swords on a stick either||

leaden tide
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Agreed.

lucid jewel
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and i think it depends on colour pie breaking being an issue for them with this as to which black card

leaden tide
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||Like I said above, the only other options for white that are nearly as iconic are just....not good on this kind of effect. Not good at all.||

lucid jewel
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50/50 imo

lucid jewel
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im so partial to the one i mentioned above

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more than the others tho just cause i love that effect

leaden tide
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I'm very excited to see the rest of the cycle.

lucid jewel
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SAME!

gloomy pagoda
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Strix Spec ||For cost parity reasons, Swords on a stick makes a lot of sense, but imagine: Armageddon on a stick!||

leaden tide
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Strix spec ||At that point, just erata it to say "3W: Destroy all friendships you control.||

gloomy pagoda
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||Ooh, and keeping to the theme of broken/unfun, Black can get a Word of Command on a stick!||

rare sparrow
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sinkhole would also be short text that is unfun

leaden tide
leaden tide
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@gloomy pagoda I think this does what you wanted with the leaked card

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||Step 1) Tap the Emeritus to cast Ancestral Recall. 2) Kitty procs off of it, target Emeritus. 3) Repeat ad-infinitum to deck the table out||

rare sparrow
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||even just U: draw 3 cards as many times as you want is pretty strong with new card + kitten||

leaden tide
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I know right? We finally broke Displacer Kitten

plush bear
lucid jewel
charred ruin
leaden tide
# plush bear ||I don’t think it counts as a noncreature spell||

Leaks ||The creature doesn't. But the prepared spell should (assuming it works as one would expect in Magic's current rules) count as a non-creature spell. Since the serpent specifies spells, not cards. Adventures don't count as creatures when they're on the stack, even if they're part of a creature card.||

leaden tide
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Because it's an activated ability of the spell you are casting, not the creatures that you're convoking.

charred ruin
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Cool

leaden tide
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This is why Hogaak was such a problem in Modern, you could barf out a couple of cheap creatures turn 1/2 to convoke him out.

lucid jewel
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I cant wait to station the voyager, with janeway in the janeway precon

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Its gonna be so gooooood!

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Mabey there will be a fun borg precon

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Or i think even a fun silly q deck that does wild things

leaden tide
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I am curious to see if the rumors of Star Trek being a small set are true.

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Back when they announced all 7 sets this year, someone from Wizards mentioned that this year is adding roughly the same amount of cards to Standard that last year did. And some folks did the math, if that's true then it would mean there's 3 small sets this year.

leaden tide
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It would be disappointing if so, as Star Trek has more than enough material to fill a full set.

lucid jewel
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So so much more

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Well I might just have to hope for some nice precon

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Or hope for future properties

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If its as bad as Spiderman

leaden tide
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For me the bigger disappointment is that this year's Jumpstart product is Marvel.

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It would have been so much cooler if it was Star Trek, with each pack themed around a ship/crew.

lucid jewel
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Ohh

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That would have been awesome

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Didnt even think about trek jumpstart packs

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I would buy so many of those

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And just carry a bunch with me at all times to be like "wanna play magic"

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And throw them at ppl

rare sparrow
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regarding star trek as a small set, i believe the rationale is that someone from wotc mentioned that even though we were getting 7 standard sets this year they roughly will have the same number of cards as the 6 sets last year

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and the math on that is that you need 4 normal sets, 3 spiderman/tmnt sized sets

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assuming that the 3 in-universe sets sets are normal sized, only one UB set can be

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and most people assume that the marvel set is going to be the one large one

acoustic wedge
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I play pot of greed! This lets me draw TWO additional cards from my deck!

leaden tide
leaden tide
acoustic wedge
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I think I actually have that card

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Actually maybe not

leaden tide
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There's a few different cards that can draw you two.

acoustic wedge
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Yeah, I have several lol

acoustic wedge
leaden tide
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There are better cards in terms of drawing and stuff though.

acoustic wedge
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Shadow Wizard Money Gang, we love castin' spells

leaden tide
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For example, your deck came with Pondor, Opt, and Preordain. These are all very good because they're cheaper, and while they draw you less total cards, they let you choose what you're drawing.

acoustic wedge
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This is true, this is true

leaden tide
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There's several similar ones to that, like Brainstorm and Consider.

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You can slot those in if you want.

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And if you want to still spend 3 mana to draw two (and a few extra dollars/proxy it), there's stuff like Stock Up these days.

acoustic wedge
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Mmm gotchya, I shall look at these

lucid jewel
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also if you want everyone to draw this is a funny/fun card

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just a fun rabbit

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for commander

dense orchid
leaden tide
native light
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i already have a proxy of Ancestral for my cube but im tempted to actually do that instead

dense orchid
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Sharpie cube anyone?

spare harbor
lucid jewel
charred ruin
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Oh my gosh

rare sparrow
# spare harbor Leaks

||so yeah, that confirms the legendary dragon cycle are the ones that grant your instants/sorceries a keyword. velomachus is miracle, and now witherbloom affinity for creatures||

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||very good with sprout swarm||

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||i'm guessing prismari might be "instants and sorceries you cast with mv>=5 have improvise"? seems like that crosses the streams of both original galazeth doing some treasure token stuff and prismari as a whole caring about big spells||

lucid jewel
turbid falcon
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Is this an excuse for me to make yet another spellslinger deck LUL

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I mean the obvious build is spells that make tokens

surreal stag
lucid jewel
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which is rare

dense orchid
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IDK, feels more like creature spam for big spell cost reduction

leaden tide
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It feels like at its most powerful, it will be a token spam deck.

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There's other ways you could build her of course. But tokens is the most obvious answer.

lucid jewel
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tokens is the obvious way to abuse in those colours

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but i think a spell slinger in those colours with just a normal ammount of creatures even like 4 or 5 creatures is really good cost reduction

leaden tide
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Yeah. Could definitely be fun

lucid jewel
leaden tide
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Yes yes but

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it's more funni when it has the name

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Also ||the way it's formatted means there's interesting and novel ways to abuse it||

lucid jewel
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100% i also like the alters of that new card that was leaked

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and i might buy one just to alter it and put it in some decks

leaden tide
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We'll see what it's price ends up being on the secondary market. This could easily be a $40 card even if it's not that good, just because it's a funni mythic

wanton hazel
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starting to get more excited about Strixhaven, I have to decide whether to go to prerelease or some concert that I'm modestly interested in and I'm leaning towards the prerelease

leaden tide
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I'm gonna be at Jordancon for the pre-release weekend, and I'm not finding any LGSs nearby. :\

gloomy pagoda
wanton hazel
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looks like it's about 3 miles away from the Jordancon venue, but their prerelease events are midday and idk if someone's gonna travel to Atlanta to miss the convention and play magic

gloomy pagoda
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It's funny how Jordancon doesn't seem to have an easily copypastable address for the main hotel, only the overflow hotel

leaden tide
wanton hazel
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if you were there with a car it'd be one thing, but Atlanta is not a great place for cars so I'd guess you weren't

leaden tide
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Yeah I'm flying in, then taking the train to the hotel. Ain't no way I'm driving from Montana to Georgia

tepid stirrup
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Weak

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Genuinely I'd consider driving if I had weekends bookending a trip to Atlanta and/or didn't have to be anywhere the next two days after I finished whatever was happening there

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I hate flying

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Not because of the flying bit but even by naval standards it is a miserable sardine of an experience

charred ruin
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I don't mind that part too much (I'm not a very big person at all) but I do mind the flying bit

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I have to close the windows if I'm next to one so I won't look out and realize how high up I am

wanton hazel
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I've rented cars out of ATL a couple times, but also I have family in the suburbs and the alternative is just a $120 uber roundtrip

leaden tide
wanton hazel
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I'm a week away from my first EU flight and I'm not exactly looking forward to the flight itself

leaden tide
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Doing pop-outs for this art style is surprisingly difficult. But I think I might be cooking
(E33 characters, no story spoilers)

tepid stirrup
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Oh yeah you may have missed this but Tylor Hepner was initially commissioned by Andy Serkis directly for his first piece which was of Serkis' character in E33

leaden tide
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Huh, I didn't realize that's how it started. Fascinating!

tepid stirrup
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He's done a lot of E33 since then of course

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I'd love to see some of his art in MTG if it isn't already

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Seems like a perfect fit for a set like EoE

leaden tide
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I don't think it is. But yeah he'd be a great MTG artist. Similar aesthetic/vibe space as Dominik Mayer

tepid stirrup
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Hepner does a lot of FF7 art as well and some of those pieces would have been excellent in the FF set

leaden tide
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Okay 3 out of the main 6 done, still need to figure out which existing cards to reskin as Sciel and Verso. Idea is to order these as proxies and maybe design a deck using Najeela/Maelle as the Commander. But what a pile of jank that'd be.

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(I gave up on the popouts, they're just too difficult with this art style)

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(And they were covering most of the names anyways)

leaden tide
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Strixhaven teaser. I wonder what this card could possibly be. peter

turbid falcon
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Guys they're bringing back adventures! I'm so excited

plush bear
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Lmfao

turbid falcon
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I can't wait to cast a slightly overcosted spell into a slightly overcosted creature whispers from off screen what do you MEAN power nine

slender moss
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It didn't look like an adventure to me

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Probably has something to do with the new "prepared" mechanic

leaden tide
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The full card leaked a few days ago. It was posted a ways back in this channel.

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We've been spoilering discussion of it, but yeah most of us in the channel are uh, "speculating" about it.

lucid jewel
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we have been speculating A LOT about the other cards of this style

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i cant wait to see what the rest in this sequence look like

charred ruin
acoustic wedge
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There is

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A lot to unpack there

leaden tide
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Namely the fact it uses blue/black pin lines when it should just be pure gold.

upper moon
# charred ruin

Not enough Spiderman or turtles fo be what he truly intended

charred ruin
tepid stirrup
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Oh hey its the Mesa Heirloom

charred ruin
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Too much clothing for that

leaden tide
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Okay here's the full set of E33 reskins. I tried to match the general vibe/some traits of the characters, without going into too spoilerific of things. The general idea is that Maelle would be the Commander, and somehow I'd piece together a somewhat coherent deck out of the rest of them. It'd obviously want a lot of modal spells and Party-type creatures (and/or tutors), and creatures with activated abilities.

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I'd love to try making bespoke designs for them instead, but that would take a lot more work.

tepid stirrup
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This is wild:

More than 1/3 of all unique card printings have happened since 2020

leaden tide
leaden tide
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Really puts into perspective how much things have exploded over the last few years.

dense orchid
leaden tide
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Magic's best creature type and it isn't even close

surreal stag
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finally rebuilt the girl

surreal stag
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she was my first commander and now that im a bit better at buiilding decks i took a shot at her again

leaden tide
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Something that could be fun/dangerous in her:

surreal stag
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set up some engines. make big kitty and eat people or go infinite on blood artist triggers

lucid jewel
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I havent looked yet but what vibe are you going for her

surreal stag
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ninja pizza was in and out

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the vibe is the typical Ygra vibe. but instead of making foods directly im focusing on makeing any creature token that become food

leaden tide
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Ah, gotcha gotcha.

surreal stag
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theres not a ton of infinte lines but at a certian point in my pod i cant relay on combat damage anymore

lucid jewel
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Played the eldrazi deck today

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And honestly it cooks

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But I gotta learn how to be able to get to 7 mana with out being the problem

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I played a few games and everyone out the gate was hitting me hard every game

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I enjoy dropping big threat after big threat after big threat tho. Literally every non land perm I have is an issue that needs to be solved. And lately I've really been vibing with the themes of BIG BUG

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So eldrazi is how I do that in mtg rather than 40k

spare harbor
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I think I’ve created one of the more cursed decks

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The original goal was to have all 26 world enchantments and swap them out for fun

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Now it’s an enduring ideal barren glory combo deck

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The goal is to stack triggers such that you have two upkeeps, get a living plane to turn lands into creatures (already have two opalescence effects to make enchantments creatures), then resolve a teferi’s realm trigger to phase all your creatures out, finally have an epic trigger to copy enduring ideal and grab barren glory on an empty board to win on the second upkeep

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A specific order of Land’s edge, Paradox Haze, Teferi’s Care, Teferi’s Realm, Living Plane, Opalescence, Starfield of Nyx, barren glory, shadow of the second sun, and recycle is the way I figured out to make it work

lucid jewel
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hahah eldrazi are so spook for so many ppl but i think im okay with it in the long run

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im havign funs

leaden tide
surreal stag
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first game i played with new Ygra where the Izzit stompy deck did just have 13 cards in hand with 3 ashling rimebounds on board so we all scoop....i won!

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we did go full combo deck. 8 tutors, 8 things to go infintite in 3 card combos, 8 ways that those combos just kill everyone.

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the fact that i didn't have Season of Gathering in any of my Ygra decks before is criminal

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this card straight up says "pick 1 and 2" kill one player

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kills everything but ygra buffs the crap out of her, give her trample. Triggers any of my "when a thing dies everyone takes damage"

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im in love

leaden tide
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Scryfall is having a real one

lucid jewel
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It legit takes you to new grounds and neocities

leaden tide
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And SpaceJam!

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Gosh why is this way more cozy than any modern internet design?

lucid jewel
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I miss the before times

spare harbor
leaden tide
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Full cycle of new Elder Dragons

lucid jewel
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oh she storming

rare sparrow
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i was wondering if they would be daring enough to do storm...guess they are

lucid jewel
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this set is gonna slap so hard i love it already

leaden tide
rare sparrow
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ironically, i think the storm one is the weakest of the dragons

lucid jewel
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same

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i honestly think the golgari or the orzov might be the most powerful

leaden tide
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It's by far the most Timmy of them.

leaden tide
rare sparrow
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silverquill and witherbloom are cheap to cast, quandrix and lorehold give insta value

lucid jewel
rare sparrow
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and prismari wins if you untap with it probably, but 7 mana do nothing is tough

leaden tide
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.....what

lucid jewel
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UHHHH

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what

leaden tide
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Some commons:

rare sparrow
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i love the ultimate

lucid jewel
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same

rare sparrow
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such a good way of doing another version of the classic ral ultimate

lucid jewel
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its such an interesting effect

lucid jewel
leaden tide
#

Welcome back to Strixhaven! This year, we're going off campus and discovering what mysteries exist beyond the hallowed halls. Skip reading the syllabus and watch the Secrets of Strixhaven Debut Video instead. You'll learn about set mechanics and art, plus get card reveals and more! Sam Gaglio from Rhystic Studies joins members of the Secrets of ...

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rare sparrow
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i imagine people will be comparing that ral non-stop to liliana of the veil

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as another 1bb planeswalker

leaden tide
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Yep, Prepare works as advertised.

lucid jewel
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||the og artist of ancestral recall made the new art for the new card||

lucid jewel
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reanimate

leaden tide
lucid jewel
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LESBIANS

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!!!

rare sparrow
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omg they did fixed epic

leaden tide
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I'll post the 5 college mechanics at once

lucid jewel
rare sparrow
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dang, two 4 ability PWs in the same set

leaden tide
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The Quandrix got a very Simic ability LUL

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Slow lands are back from Innistrad.

rare sparrow
# lucid jewel

ironically, that PW might have the least text i've seen on a 4 ability PW ever

lucid jewel
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i love that

rare sparrow
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it's nice that they can still make simple elegant designs

leaden tide
rare sparrow
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oh we've seen all these commanders already right

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the first two look familiar

leaden tide
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Yeah they leaked(?) a while ago?

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I'm not gonna bother posting them, they're already on Scryfall

rare sparrow
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huh, a prepared spell that isn't playable in commander on one of the commander prepare cards

leaden tide
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Cameo professors from other planes in the Commander decks.

leaden tide
rare sparrow
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probably time walk or tinker on the blue one i guess?

lucid jewel
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TJHOSE EFFFING

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BASICS

leaden tide
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Alternate art dual lands.

lucid jewel
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I MIGHT

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NEED

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THEM

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IN

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MY

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LIFE !!!!!!!!

leaden tide
lucid jewel
leaden tide
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Field notes showcase is back. I approve, this is a good showcase treatment.

lucid jewel
tepid stirrup
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Excellent looking set

rare sparrow
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rovina cai art is always great

tepid stirrup
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Do we know how badly its getting run over by the next UB set?

leaden tide
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||First Universes Within print of Reprive||

rare sparrow
leaden tide
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Here's the rest of them.

lucid jewel
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new foiling

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as well

native light
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The Japanese arts were my favorite alt treatment of all time. Glad to see more

rare sparrow
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63 days between Secrets of Strixhaven and marvel super heroes. only 42 days between lorwyn and TMNT, and will be 49 days between reality fracture and star trek

leaden tide
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Wait what is this card?

lucid jewel
leaden tide
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Yes but what's it's name

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It doesn't match the others they showed

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I'm very excited for the set. As meh as some of the Converge cards look, the rest is fantastic.

rare sparrow
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the art also fits with the name "duty beyond death"

leaden tide
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Damn nice pull

rare sparrow
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only 40 instants/sorceries that cost 1W with +1/+1 in the text that popped up on scryfall

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i don't think any of the other ones really work

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back on the topic of ral...look closely at the watermark compared to the silverquill one

leaden tide
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Yeah that's uhhhh, very weird.

rare sparrow
spare harbor
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Well yeah

rare sparrow
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probably some sort of reality fracture thing

spare harbor
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Oh wait I’m mixing up the conversation from multiple discord servers 💀💀💀

leaden tide
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Then again I don't think any moderators ever really peak in this channel if they can avoid it, so probably not a big deal. LUL

rare sparrow
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i was under the impression leaks => tagged, official reveals = fine?

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but idk

leaden tide
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In the pin it says any cards from unreleased sets.

rare sparrow
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i can delete it to be safe

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no way to spoiler tag images after the fact

leaden tide
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Behold: the most Simic card to ever Simic:

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The rest of the friendgroup

surreal stag
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THEY COOKED WTF

tepid stirrup
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Yknow at least that's one thing that the glut of UB hasn't overwhelmed

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They do keep cooking

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This is so good

leaden tide
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They leave most of the UB stuff half-defrosted so that they can make sure the UW stuff is seared to perfection

tepid stirrup
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I do like this Prepared take as well

leaden tide
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Honestly Prepared is such a cool mechanic, it's too ealry to say for sure but it might be an all timer for me.

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Creatures that get to cast their own spells (not technically, but flavorfully) is such a cool idea.

rare sparrow
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Its definitely got flavor on point

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How good the cards will be is less obvious to me

leaden tide
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I also do want to see the exact wording of its rules text, the reminder text is unclear but I think it probably copies the card, not the spell, which has some interesting rules implications.

tepid stirrup
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I do think its clear to me that the overwhelming value of having two cards in hand for having one Adventure card is not quite there for these

leaden tide
tepid stirrup
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And with Prepared they are pretty clearly leaning into being able to moderate the additional value on a per-card basis

leaden tide
rare sparrow
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My base guess is that they’ll work the same way casting spells with garth one-eye does

tepid stirrup
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All Adventure cards added the same very high value

spare harbor
leaden tide
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I think the teams involved also just sometimes don't give AF about the properties they're assigned to.

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Final Fantasy and AtlA were designed by die-hard fans of those franchises.

spare harbor
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Yeah

leaden tide
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Spider-Man......I'd have a very hard time believing that's the case.

surreal stag
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POV me sending my Wife the text askign for a night off in april....

leaden tide
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Meanwhile, designing for original Magic worlds is just gonna consistently be a cool thing to do.

rare sparrow
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I mean, the deals with UB sets are more than likely made by marketing/executive teams, while the ideas for UW sets come from designers

tepid stirrup
leaden tide
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Maybe I'll get to play against Brandon

tepid stirrup
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I'm not a huge Strixhaven Enjoyer but this set might make me one unironically

spare harbor
leaden tide
leaden tide
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It's sooooo cool they got Mark Poole to do it

rare sparrow
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I loved strixhaven the first time around so this set is exactly what i’m looking for

tepid stirrup
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Of the ones you posted at least the only one that doesn't re-prepare itself is the Izzet one, which, sure Izzet has had its fun

rare sparrow
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There was a white one that prepared on attack or something like that

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And didnt enter prepared

tepid stirrup
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The Boros one is one of them that like, sure it can prepare itself but also just seems difficult enough to pull off that that's not likely to be a long term staple

leaden tide
tepid stirrup
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At least not in just Boros

rare sparrow
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Any ones that need to trigger some additional condition to be prepared at all definitely feel unlikely to gain much traction. Ones that enter prepared that you can repeatedly blink to recast the spell seem the most plausibly powerful to me

tepid stirrup
surreal stag
leaden tide
leaden tide
tepid stirrup
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Is there a lot of reanimation or exile from graveyard type stuff in Boros in Standard right now?

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I'm sure you can easily find Commander uses for it for sure

leaden tide
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In Standard? I don't think so.

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It's mostly gonna be riding on the new Flashback cards coming with this set.

tepid stirrup
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Oh yeah of course

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That makes sense

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(To be fair that technically is exile from graveyard)

leaden tide
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Exactly.

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Also this is a pretty cheap boardwipe.

surreal stag
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none one sided board wipes....we sleep

leaden tide
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New version of Steve that costs one more mana

surreal stag
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but its repeatable if you cna re-preapre him

lucid jewel
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but heres the question, are there blink effects yet in this set

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just thinking about the limited format

surreal stag
#

we shall call him.....Stephen

lucid jewel
acoustic wedge
turbid falcon
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Gonna be shock for everyone who hasn't been paying attention to the story

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Just wait until you see mono white Liliana... I hope she gets a card

lucid jewel
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the pre orders are up for strix on mtga

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and stuff is so cute

acoustic wedge
lucid jewel
leaden tide
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good grief that was a lot of pings in a row

turbid falcon
leaden tide
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Wait no there's a better one

leaden tide
lucid jewel
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we just really wanted your attention

turbid falcon
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I'm most fascinated that they decided to do a new spin on that classic mechanic, epic LUL

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Which I'm sure is something everyone remembers exists
And was truly one of the mechanics of all time

leaden tide
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Yeahhhh, OG Kamigawa had some interesting design choices.

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Some of them, like the legendary matters theme, have aged great.

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Epic uh.......haha.

spare harbor
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Also the new spin on epic basically completely removes what makes it interesting

acoustic wedge
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I'm gonna have to go through some of this

rare sparrow
turbid falcon
leaden tide
spare harbor
turbid falcon
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Magic spoiler is my go to

spare harbor
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I’m a mythicspoiler fan myself

leaden tide
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But it's mostly completely unplayable in all formats it's leagal in.

acoustic wedge
turbid falcon
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Enduring ideal is really the only one of the 5 that does have some niche use cases

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Emphasis on niche

acoustic wedge
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So guess I'm spending more money lol

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Or just printing proxies

turbid falcon
acoustic wedge
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Though my printer hates me

leaden tide
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It's not very good in your current deck, as having access to blue means that you have way better card draw.

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But Secret Rendevous is a pretty darn good draw spell for mono-white/red-white decks, and the new card will be a lot of fun too.

acoustic wedge
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Yeah. The new Lorehold will definitely work well with my deck I think

leaden tide
turbid falcon
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Something tells me this one is gonna be a house in limited

acoustic wedge
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Oh dear

lucid jewel
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i hope those colours are good

leaden tide
turbid falcon
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Exactly

surreal stag
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IM GOING TO PRERELEASE!!!!!!!

lucid jewel
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i probs am too

turbid falcon
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I was already planning on it lol

leaden tide
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Same. Now I'm super excited for it

turbid falcon
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I'm not gonna buy a box, maybe some singles
But how am I supposed to resist some sealed spell slinging

leaden tide
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Before I was thinking "it will probably be fun core Magic vibes, a nice break from all the turtles and iron men"

turbid falcon
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Spellslinger is like, 90% of my love in MTG
The other 10% being triggers off of casting instants and sorceries

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Even my creature decks are more like instant and sorcery decks LUL

leaden tide
turbid falcon
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It's been terminal since I started really playing magic LUL

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Niv mizzet parun is my favorite creature

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And the second deck I ever built

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And the only one who still HAS a deck

leaden tide
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Nice.

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My second deck was Narset, Enlightened Exile.

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So I'm almost but not quite there next to you

acoustic wedge
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"And now, I'll make your life points...disappear!"

turbid falcon
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Me every time I build a deck

rare sparrow
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||Since cascade is busted, I spent a little time wondering what the best thing you can do with giving all your instants/sorceries cascade, since you can be guaranteed to hit one of the no mana cost suspend spells if you cast a one mana instant/sorcery. Going quandrix->1 mana spell->gaea’s will seems potentially crazy||

turbid falcon
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Even better if you have no idea if you can pull it off

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I am truly a mad izzet mage

leaden tide
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"Don't mind me, just attacking you with a 2/2 I made unblockable. Oh wait, now it's an 8/8 with double strike? Whoops."

turbid falcon
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Me building my prowess deck: "you know what I want with my prowess? More prowess"

leaden tide
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Blighted Agent? Oh you are a mean mean mean player. LUL

turbid falcon
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Look sometimes you need a one shot

leaden tide
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-# quitely puts Blighted Agent on my maybe list

turbid falcon
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My playgroup likes lots of enchantments that make attacks hard or big creatures

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An unblockable "you're dead" is useful LUL

acoustic wedge
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I wanna start building decks ngl. But also I'd rather just play the game lol

leaden tide
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Building decks is a lot of skills to learn. I'm still figuring it out after a whole year.

turbid falcon
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Building decks is so fun

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And no not just going on EDHrec

leaden tide
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So by all means start tinkering, but keep a precon or two together for now, just for funzies.

leaden tide
# turbid falcon And no not just going on EDHrec

I'll usually hit up EDHrec as the 3rd or 4th step of designing a deck, after I've done several scryfall searches (scryfall syntax can be incredibly powerful), to make sure I haven't missed any obvious gaps.

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But yeah never start from EDHrec

turbid falcon
#

Yes

lucid jewel
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especially while your learning

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then you can build that commander in the way you want

turbid falcon
rare sparrow
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I usually like edhrec first just to look at the cards at the top of the page that are like the far most common cards played with that commander just to make sure i’m not missing something super obvious

turbid falcon
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That's my last step lol

rare sparrow
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But then i mostly can go with a combination of cards i already know from playing for over 20 years

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And scryfall searches

turbid falcon
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And then me being pleased I found cool cards that aren't on there

leaden tide
# lucid jewel especially while your learning

Another good thing to do while learning how to deck build is to start with formulas (e.g. 10 ramp, 12 draw, etc.). You'll learn as you go how to vary the bits and pieces you're mixing to make the deck work.

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Also there's a video I posted here a while ago about how to design mana curves for decks, that one was super helpful to me.

lucid jewel
#

theres also like a billion how to build commander deck youtube vids

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if you sort by views it should give you the good ones

rare sparrow
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My number one recommendation for basically any new player build a commander deck is to take 4-5 spells out and add 4-5 lands

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I’ve never seen a new player putting too many lands in their deck

spare harbor
rare sparrow
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But nearly all of them are at least 5 off what they should be

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39 is my baseline, and i go up a couple or down a couple from there depending on deck

spare harbor
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Makes sense

rare sparrow
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I’ve never felt like i’ve had too many lands

spare harbor
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I generally start with 37

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And only go up

rare sparrow
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My decks right now are all 37-39 but i do go into the 40s with land focused strategies

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Just dont have any decks like that built currently

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And of course ignoring my cedh decks which play way fewer lands

leaden tide
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Yeah, I am for a minimum of 38 lands in a deck, with more if I can find good MDFCs that fit the deck's theme.

rare sparrow
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Yeah, should have mentioned that i am not counting mdfcs in those totals. Mdfcs would be in addition

lucid jewel
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my eldrazi deck is setting at 39 lands

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and a bunch of ramp

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bunch of cost reduction which i have to do if i wanna ever get big boys out

leaden tide
#

The rules article is out, and the way Prepare works is...uh.....what?

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So, we've mapped out preparation cards. Fantastic. But we're on paragraph five. How do they work? Many creatures with prepare spells enter prepared. We're going to talk about creatures here, but really, prepared is a designation that any permanent can have. If a creature with a prepare spell becomes prepared, a copy of its prepare spell appears in exile. This copy stays there until one of three things happens. One, you cast it. This is the best outcome for you. Two, the prepared creature leaves the battlefield. Three, the prepared creature becomes unprepared. There are some cards that can make this happen. If either of the last two things happens and you haven't cast the copy of the prepared spell from exile yet, the copy disappears and ceases to exist.

tepid stirrup
#

That makes sense

leaden tide
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It is indeed a copy of a spell, not a card. So no Arcane Bombardment. And unlike anything else that's a copy of a spell, it can just sit there in exile functionally forever.

tepid stirrup
#

Point two makes it so you have to pay attention to the specific wording of your blink spells I think

leaden tide
# tepid stirrup That makes sense

It kinda doesn't in the context of the comprehensive rules. Copies of spells have only ever existed on the stack, as cards are only spells while being cast.

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Like, it makes intuitive sense but the way the rules are described here is hurting my brain.

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Whenever non-permanents have been copied in the past, it's a copy of their card that's generated, and then you cast that copy of the card, which then goes on the stack.

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What's interesting is that prepared spells should increase storm count, because they are being cast, despite not being cards nor copies of cards.

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What I'm not sure they'll interact with is Magecraft, which specifically procs whenever you copy (or cast) a spell. Does creating a copy of the spell in exile (when the creature becomes prepared) proc Magecraft? Or does it only proc on casting that copy.

tepid stirrup
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Feels like the latter, right? I don't see another way to read that

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Creating a copy of this bespoke spell that only exists in the context of having a copy created by a specific creature is an effect of the creature (sometimes an ETB effect, sometimes not)

leaden tide
#

But you're still copying a spell, I think?

tepid stirrup
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Is creating a copy of a spell and copying a spell the same thing?

leaden tide
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Idk

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It's described as "appearing in exile" in the above article

tepid stirrup
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I don't know if creating a 1/1 soldier token and creating a copy of a 1/1 soldier creature both count "creating a copy" but I do think the logic would be the same

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In fact, you're right, they probably should have used that language

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Except I suppose they can't because when you exile tokens they just poof

leaden tide
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Yeah. And usually copies of spells/cards also go poof when state-based actions are checked.

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This mechanic has a built-in carve out for itself.

spare harbor
gloomy pagoda
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I'm sure there's a specific case they're going at lengths to prevent, but yeah, as worded, it sounds like a backend mess for a straightforward effect

spare harbor
tepid stirrup
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Well and with this wording it doesn't even say create a copy

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It says "a copy of its prepare spell appears"

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Which makes it sound pretty fundamentally uninteractable

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Which is to say, an effect that prevents creature abilities in advance would prevent it, but trying to get around it on the stack, doesn't look like it ever really goes there

leaden tide
spare harbor
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Ok but this isn’t official comprehensive rules text

leaden tide
#

Something that copies a spell typically copies the spell as an object on the stack, and is not copying the card itself. So if, for example, you copy an Adventure spell, you're not copying the entire thing.

tepid stirrup
leaden tide
#

However, there's also plenty of abilities that copy cards, like Mizzix's Mastery. Those copy the card, when you then get to cast, turning it in to a spell.

tepid stirrup
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And I do have a hard time believing they would have said it that way if it didn't mean something

leaden tide
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It's just a weird-ass mechanic that I'm sure will be fine 99% of the time but is gonna produce major headaches for judges that other 1%.

spare harbor
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The other weird thing is that some of the prepared spells don’t exist as cards elsewhere

leaden tide
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I think that's the reason for Prepare being as jank as they're describing it.

spare harbor
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Can you copy a card that doesn’t exist

gloomy pagoda
#

The more I try to think about it, the more I feel like they've gone and used words that are usually close enough to the same thing, but in like any level of rule enforcement very much aren't

leaden tide
#

There's tech for creating copies of existing cards, see Garth One-Eye. But how would that work when the prepared spell doesn't exist on its own?

tepid stirrup
lucid jewel
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creates a copy of the card thats in the small box

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wether its a real card or not

tepid stirrup
#

This looks a lot like "what if tokens, but instants"

leaden tide
turbid falcon
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If anybodys curious I'm going to be hopping into VC to build a list of Witherbloom the balancer
if any of you want to listen to me yap as I build a deck lol

leaden tide
#
#

otag:mana-dork commander:golgari mv<=1

leaden tide
#

oracle:"mana value"

#
surreal stag
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Ever latest a deck and go “man I really need to draw some cards to dig for a sac outlet to finish my infinite combo” HAD PERIGEAN TOOK IN MY STORMING HAND FOR 3 TURNS

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for those keeping track at home HE DOES BOTH THOSE THINGS

spare harbor
#

I think the people in the Joined Researchers art are the same two as those in Secret Rendevous

leaden tide
#

Yeah they're roommates

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(they explicitly said in the stream that it's a callback)

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Maybe eventually we'll get a legendary version of them, like what happened with Fblthp

spare harbor
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I just thought it was cute that they’ve been together for 5 years and work together now

lucid jewel
leaden tide
#

New Strixhaven card, this looks amazing!!!! 🔥 🔥 🔥

lucid jewel
#

oh

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that is fire

leaden tide
lucid jewel
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i really need to add rakdos charm into more decks

leaden tide
#

The one deck that I could run it in just happens to be a tokens deck. So it's not the most useful to me currently 😭

lucid jewel
#

you gotta go out on your own terms tho

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sometimes rakdos charming to kill you and someone else is the correct move

acoustic wedge
leaden tide
#

Before previews for _Modern Horizons 4 _​officially begin, I thought it would be fun to do another of my _Duelist_​-style teasers where I give tiny hints of things to come. Note that I’m only giving you partial information.

First up, here are some things you can expect:

• a new variation on infect

• a single Ravnican guild mechanic appears multiple times (and no, it’s not convoke or surveil!)

• a card harkening back to a design from _Alpha_​ that has never been retreaded before

• a French vanilla creature

• a character that could have been in _Commander 2018_​ finally becomes a legendary creature

• two cycles of lands are finished for the first time

• only two spells that can potentially cost zero mana

• a cycle of Sagas depicting the events of five different sets

• some counters in the set: charge, stun, lore, vigilance, shadow, ice, soul, and phyresis

• some creature tokens in the set (some might have other abilities): 1/1 white Soldier, 1/1 colorless Thopter, 2/1 white and black In...

lucid jewel
#

exile target players graveyard is super powerful

leaden tide
leaden tide
lucid jewel
#

especially with how deep im getting into eldrazi

leaden tide
#

Wel tbh it sounds like MH4 is more Phyrexian themed

lucid jewel
#

Land – Urza’s Desert

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!!!!!!!

leaden tide
#

“Cards in your graveyard have flash.”

leaden tide
#

But legit that sounds cool

lucid jewel
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Scribble Out!!!!

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oh dam

leaden tide
#

“Sacrifice a creature: Draw a card.”

lucid jewel
#

this slaps

leaden tide
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A very normal and balanced card

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Legendary Artifact Creature – Phyrexian God
Yawgmoth, Father of the Machines??????

lucid jewel
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"• Two sets that are both about a Phyrexian invasion

• A Portal set" yep 100% phyrexian focused

spare harbor
spare harbor
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Because haunt or cipher coming back would be so peak

leaden tide
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Now for an actual real spoiler:

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There's a lot of Commander previews coming out right now. I'm not gonna post all of them atm.

slender moss
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For April Fools, staff should add the colon to the channel name so that "Magic: the Gathering" is actually punctuated correctly.

dense orchid
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Magic: The: Gathering
To make extra sure you get the colon

slender moss
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Magic*. the Gathering

turbid falcon
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He guessed channel

leaden tide
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I speculated Channel here as well, but for the main set. I didn't stop to think about Commander.

lethal isle
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money sink: the hobby

turbid falcon
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So glamdring and I were working on a Witherbloom list last night, and just wanted to share what passes for a mana curve at the moment LUL

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There's a lot of X spells

lucid jewel
turbid falcon
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Looks like we're getting a commander cycle of powerful spells here

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The other ones I saw were exsanguinate and brain geyser

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Also, we have a new cycle of commander lands... They feel underwhelming but here they are

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On the bright side they ARE fetchable which actually makes them decent

lucid jewel
turbid falcon
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They'd come in untapped turn 4 I believe

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So... Slow 4 U lands

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Or fetching slow

lucid jewel
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Turn 3

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Not 4

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Depending on turn order ofc

rare sparrow
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In s3 or s4 they should be untapped t3 unless an opponent misses a land drop. S2 they’ll be untapped if no one misses a land drop and at least one opponent land ramped

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I imagine most green decks want them as additional targets for farseek, three visits, nature’s lore

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Less sure how good they are outside that but assuming they end up inexpensive they are a good budget option

tepid stirrup
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I genuinely wasn't sure if this was MTG or Warhammer

charred ruin
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Nah we're the Peter Turbo cult in #1404985581066522745

wanton hazel
leaden tide
lucid jewel
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thats a quality mana wedge

leaden tide
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Still no idea what they're gonna do for green though

lucid jewel
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FOG!!!!!!!!

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im still on the fog train

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even tho idk if its likley

leaden tide
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Wouldn't be the worst choice by far. Could lead to some grindy board states in limited, but it's mythic so who cares?

lucid jewel
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idk if grindy will happen tho this set is very spell focused

surreal stag
leaden tide
surreal stag
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in dual colors im usually able to fit in one more tapped land in my builds and if you dont draw it you fetch it later

turbid falcon
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Turn 3-4 isn't really that late depending on how fast your deck is

leaden tide
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The Silverquill one has some gas, Land Tax, Ink Shield, Eldrazi Conscription..

turbid falcon
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Wait what LAND TAX

leaden tide
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LAND TAX AND INKSHIELD

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That's like 85% of the price of the deck right there

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Also holy crap this art

surreal stag
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37-38 lands i see you WOTC

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yea Orzohv land art stays winning

lucid jewel
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okay i might need to buy that orzov deck

leaden tide
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All 5 of them come with Fabled Passage too

surreal stag
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if i ever pick up a precon for in person play/upgrading its still Blight Curse

leaden tide
surreal stag
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i lvoe that deck

lucid jewel
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ooooooo

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draw engines in the commandzone are just always so sexy

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okay that land base isnt horrible

turbid falcon
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Wow gotta say these decks seem solid at first glance

lucid jewel
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agreed

turbid falcon
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They've really upped their game on precon construction

leaden tide
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Prismari is less of a value bomb than Silverquill, but yeah it seems well put together. Lots of $2-$5 staples

lucid jewel
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the other decks style dont vibe with me but that orzov "attack other ppl" deck is so up my ally

leaden tide
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Hmmm. I'm a little sad that the bicycle and tango lands for the golgari, boros, and simic decks don't get new Archivos art

surreal stag
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Okay what is this goat token so tough....

lucid jewel
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GOAT!

surreal stag
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one day they will reprint the good fetch lands.......one day

dense orchid
lucid jewel
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yaa i think giant growth is more likly but i want fog more

dense orchid
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#bringbackturbofog

tepid stirrup
leaden tide
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I'm going to be very normal about this lady in the art.

lucid jewel
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just in general tho bros graveyard is such a cool new arcetype

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there isnt a massive ammount of support for that and its cool to see

leaden tide
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Yep. White traditionally has a decent amount of reanimator stuff. But adding red to the mix is really interesting.

leaden tide
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Okay this card got me.

charred ruin
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||wait they're classes lol||

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||that's fantastic||

leaden tide
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I know right?

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||So completely different from the flavor of the other class cards. But it's just like. So perfect.||

surreal stag
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||i would hope they had classes in STRIXHAVEN||

leaden tide
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Also I'm looking at the Commander decklists, and there's some really good reprints in here.

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I'm glad that they're at least trying do address the lack of Masters/Remastered sets with these. If not with quantity of reprints, then at least with quality.

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Though, I was hoping after the Turtles precon, we'd see the bond lands show up in precons more often.

surreal stag
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yea they really could have done better on land reprints

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like why not do the bond lands in this set.....oh wait HASBRO FORCED GOOD CARDS ON THE UB SET

leaden tide
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The new ones are fascinating, and getting Fabled Passage in each precon is legit. But yeah would it kill Wizards to throw the bond lands in?

surreal stag
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when this set flies off the shelf you think they will learn

leaden tide
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Like, if they want to keep the shocks and fetches at high value for whatever reason, sure, I get it, those are played everywhere, fine.

surreal stag
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and surviels

leaden tide
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But the bond lands can only be played in multiplayer formats, and in terms of products Wizards puts out, that means Commander.

lucid jewel
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Its so perfect

leaden tide
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It's really good

lucid jewel
leaden tide
# surreal stag and surviels

Yeah. If I had it my way, the S-tier lands (shocks, fetches, surveils) would never get to be more than about $10 a pop (that's what the Shocks are with their recent Standard printings). Other A-tier lands like the Verges and Innistrad Slow lands would exist around the $5-7 range, and B-tier lands like pain lands, filter lands, etc would be in the $1-2 range.

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For the most part, their recent reprints have made most dual lands close to this idea, with the notable exceptions of the fetches and surveil lands.

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(and like 3 of the hybrid filter lands that, for some reason, haven't gotten prints since Double Masters)

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(Seriously Wizards please put those color combos in decks already)

charred ruin
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Surveil lands are still pretty new and have only had one printing that's still standard-legal until this summer, so that one makes a little sense

leaden tide
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Yeah and I don't think Wizards expected them to pop off as hard as they did.

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"Oh, the Theros temples but make them fetchable, it's gonna be fine"

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They didn't count on that one little change making them playable in all eternal formats

charred ruin
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Fetchlands not being printed into Standard sets is understandable because I've heard of what happened the last time they did that, but dangit why do they have to be so expensive?

leaden tide
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Exactly. Hence why no remaster/masters/horizons sets hurt. That was the usual place they were reprinted.

charred ruin
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Like you're making all these Commander decks and Modern Horizons and stuff, there's still room to reprint them

leaden tide
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But you see, Wizards gotta keep that reprint equity high

south trail
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Completely unrelated to anything Strixhaven, I was going through one of my EDH decks and I completely forgot that when I was at DSNX 24 I got Steve Argyle to sign my Everflowing Chalice and draw a Mervin on it :)

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Thought I should share it here

leaden tide
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Oh gosh the little Mervin is so cute

leaden tide
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Guys

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why is swole doge in one of the Commander decks?

lucid jewel
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okay but thats an awesome card

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forcing ppl to think twice about drawing more cards is so good

gloomy pagoda
turbid falcon
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I preordered the simic and orzhov decks

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I'll probably just rip em apart but they have too many spicy goodies not to pick up

leaden tide
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All the decks got good stuff. Like, the izzet one has Faerie Mastermind

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I would have preferred the other Ozolith in the Simic precon, but we can't have everything sadly.

lucid jewel
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they cant destroy the 3rd party markets by just reprinting good stuff into precons can they

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smh

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( i wish they would )

surreal stag
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Hold up. I can’t read. || The new lands don’t specify if a single opponent has 8 or more lands. In commander that’s a turn 3 untapped dual! ||

lucid jewel
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I mentioned that its around turn 3 or 4 depending

surreal stag
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I am dumb

lethal isle
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Magic: the Gathering

surreal stag
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boooooooo

leaden tide
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Some options I'll suggest for next year:

  • Cardboard Crack
  • Do u pay da one?
  • As Richard Garfield Intended
  • Reading the Card Explains the Card (idk if this one will fit)
upper moon
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Banding fan club

surreal stag
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As Garfield Intended is the goat

lucid jewel
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especially if poeple think its the cat

surreal stag
lucid jewel
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I LOVE THAT TITLE

surreal stag
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RIP IS LITTERALLY WEARING CARGO PANTS ITS PERFECT

lucid jewel
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you rite

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only 23 cars tho

surreal stag
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i had a car heavy revision and it gave me too many options and lets be honest. are there more than 23-25 good cars in WG

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green is here for +1/+1 counters. white is here for everyting else. this is why its a BR2 deck

lucid jewel
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this art tho

surreal stag
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i know right i had no idea this card came in beautiful lady

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pov me last night

surreal stag
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i mean in br9 i feel like i get to turn 9

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maybe not this muich stuff on baord but yea car go beep beep

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i need a high res big version of this image for the playmat

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semi dark humor

dense orchid
leaden tide
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My guess would be that multiple people have worn it

surreal stag
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i think you get this card when you buy a spcific toy/figureine lol

acoustic wedge
surreal stag
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just liek ur mom, everyone gets a turn

surreal stag
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budget withstanding do you cut the Surveil lands for the new land cycle? a conditonal uptapped vs tapped with an ounce of card advantage.

rare sparrow
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I think the new fetchable duals are generally worse than surveils

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But a lot of decks will want both

leaden tide
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The surveils definitely combo with fetch-lands better, as you can only go after the surveil land when you really want it, and/or crack the fetch on an end step so the surveil land functionally enters untapped.

surreal stag
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Surveils are great turn 1 when you have no play and off fetches yes.

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i think im still going to try them out and see how it goes.

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but for my Blight Curse im at this

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in reanimator im at this

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jeskai aggro with catch up ramp package.

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ignore costs i only play online.

leaden tide
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Man I regret not buying the pixel art secret lair when it came out

rare sparrow
surreal stag
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gotta push the UB man

wanton hazel
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Is there a practical difference between ‘whenever enchanted creature attacks’ and ‘enchanted creature has “whenever this creature attacks”’?

leaden tide
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Something that disables creatures' triggered abilities would hit Level Up, but not Seismic Tutelage.

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That's a pretty narrow use-case though, certainly not enough to warrant a whole 2 mana difference.

dense orchid
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If Seismic had flash that could justify an extra 2 mana

surreal stag
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this card is silly

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in a playtest it ripped a Sir Konrad off the top, next turn I copy it with Return the Favor and get Karlach Fury of Avernus and Impact Tremors.

lucid jewel
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this is such a solid card

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even if its 5 mana

leaden tide
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What do mana curves in Standard top out at these days? I know some 4-drops like Orobouroid are popular.

lucid jewel
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i would say these are the 4 most played decks right now in best of 3 standard high ranked on mtga

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which is uasually a good snapshot of the standard meta

leaden tide
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Hmm yeah. Makes sense Dimir would go so high, that's a control deck by the looks of it.

lucid jewel
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yeah its a mill control deck

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mostly controlling till you can combo mill with excruciator and any other mill source

leaden tide
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Not sure about Izzet though, 5 mana is a lot for a card that's not a finisher.

lucid jewel
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you rite, i forgot how low to the ground these decks were

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looking at it now, i dont think it will fit in izzet unless theres a deck that goes wide and they slot it into the sideboard

leaden tide
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Yeah, could be good sideboard tech

dense orchid
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Have lessons been pushed out of the meta now?

lucid jewel
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The meta is wide wide open right now

wanton hazel
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Free Vivi

tepid stirrup
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The meta is wide open because Vivi's in jail LUL

leaden tide
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I support freeing Vivi

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Because then I can drag him into a dark alley way and murder him

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Lot harder to do that while he's in jail

slender moss
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There are several historical references that I could make right now, but I don't think they'd be particularly wise to make

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So I won't

leaden tide
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And here's the red one.

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As expected, ||the prepared spell is Bolt. The preparation condition is interesting though.||

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||For casual play, 3rd spell each turn feels a bit expensive. But in the shells that build around it, that will be pretty abusable.||

gloomy pagoda
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||Hmm, timing question, does that card enter prepared if it's the third spell you cast in a turn? Does it need to see the third cast happen?||

leaden tide
gloomy pagoda
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And I guess something doesn't see its own cast because it doesn't exist yet?

leaden tide
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It can see itself though.

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As the 1st or 2nd spell.

gloomy pagoda
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Yeah, it'd be checking the game state for 1st or 2nd, but if it's third?

leaden tide
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The game, not the permanent, keeps track of how many spells you've cast on a given turn (that's how Storm functions, if things couldn't see the number of spells cast before they leave your hand, Storm just wouldn't work).

leaden tide
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You'd need to wait until the turn passes.

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Now, I am wondering if this can see you casting the prepared spell as the third spell. Hmm. A prepared creature becomes un-prepared when you cast the prepared spell. So you cast the prepared spell, prepared spell goes on the stack and the creature becomes unprepared. So then, if the prepared spell is your 3rd that turn.....then the trigger will see that as the 3rd spell, and since the creature is no longer prepared....it can then become prepared again!

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Wicked

gloomy pagoda
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I wanna say probably, but I can see a world where prepared doesn't go away until the spell is cast

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Nah, it's probably considered part of the cost, so it can probably prime itself

leaden tide
rare sparrow
leaden tide
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Agreed. An Izzet or Jeskai constructed deck loaded up with lots of cantrips will be able to easily cast a bolt every turn.

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Aww this is cute.

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And this is gay.

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Oooh this is a fun design space.

lucid jewel
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so back to the prepared thing, if i cast a spell from a creature with prepared does that count as me casting it for things like storm