Magic: the Gathering

[lucid jewel]

lots of one of a kind artist treatments and all sort

this is a cool art ||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1066081098641182841/1412174960058826813/SPOILER_image0.jpg?ex=68b755eb&is=68b6046b&hm=698559872e982ea4e3112193e1b8bc8001a92b80efcb933c3e9d09a1c657eb45&||

more spiderman spoils

from the bonus sheet this time

[leaden tide]

He also has very weird custom stuff; he likes to collect artist proof cards (copies of cards with no Magic back that Wizards sends to the artists) and have the artists sign/draw entire other cards on the back. When you play with these cards, you get to treat them like modal double-faced cards, and play either side.

[leaden tide]

The art-direction had one job with this card, and they somehow managed to fail.

Perhaps they were worried about copyrights on the original meme?

[lucid jewel]

I need that in davros

Altho idk if im dealing enough non token combat dam

[charred ruin]

This would be obscenely good in my Millicent deck

[leaden tide]

It's a fun card yes yes yes, but the art!

Why is there so much empty space between them?

Why are they like, trying to turn into part of the frame?

Is just weird.

[lucid jewel]

Agreed art weird where is the 3rd spiderman

I bet there was a 3rd spiderman and like you said it had to be changed

[leaden tide]

I think the original meme/art only had two, so yeah that might track.

The artist thought the 3 version was the "true" version, and had to change it last minute?

[lucid jewel]

I cant wait to be confused af since I play heaps of mtga standard

Going between mtga and paper

[leaden tide]

I'll do my duty by only using the Arena versions in paper 🫡

Speaking of which, they showed two of those off today, which I wasn't expecting.

Not sure if it's a plane we've seen yet or not. People were speculating it'd be on Ikoria, but doesn't look like that to me.

[lucid jewel]

This is probably quite likely as well

[lucid jewel]

Okay dam I might need to proxy some of those

[leaden tide]

Yee. Gonna have to see if anyone on the proxy servers I'm on is planning on extracting the art as a single batch. That's the hardest part for me, is finding the art in decent resolution.

[lucid jewel]

Good thing about this Spiderman set

Artists are eating double

I just hope they haven't been over worked for it

[tepid stirrup]

I can't imagine that's the case, since the Spider-man video games did the meme with the angle

And like

Even the Spider-man cards that are rips from comic panels are regularly just kind of badly put together

If I didn't know better I'd think WotC was sandbagging this on purpose

Truly a bizarre execution, especially coming off Final Fantasy (which was artistically excellent) and going into Avatar (which so far also seems artistically excellent)

Like are they somehow worried that if it does too well they get acquired by Disney or something?

[leaden tide]

I mean, we know at least some of the jank is becase it was originally designed to be a small Aftermath/Assassins Creed style set. And they had to switch-relatively last-minute to doing a set big enough to put in draftable boosters.

Hence why we have like 80 different versions of Spider-Man, including some that are straight draft-chaff.

[surreal stag]

I mean they did a good job on the marvel set and Disney didn’t make the push to acquire them

But iirc that was a smaller set/drop right?

[leaden tide]

The only other Marvel stuff they've released so far is some Secret Lairs.

There's another, bigger Marvel set coming soon, probably next year.

[surreal stag]

Hopefully it’s good. I NEED a hulk deck

[turbid falcon]

Ah, my favorite form of venom

He even fits in my Shadow the Hedgehog deck

Maybe I'll be buying 3 cards from the set
Black cat, infinity stone, this one
WHERE IS BLACK CAT DAMN IT

[tepid stirrup]

I think there's a difference between "they did a good cross-promotional" and "this is the best selling set of all time and it isn't close and is likely to change WotC's future" like Final Fantasy was

I think if Spider-man were to wildly outperform FF, that changes things

I dunno obviously its purely hypothetical but like this is so out of band for MTG

[lucid jewel]

What if there is no black cat in this set

[turbid falcon]

I might cry

There are far more obscure cards already in the set

[lucid jewel]

This set is a "spidermultiverse" tho

In that its basicly following the recent films a lot

I would expect mabey a black cat but not 100%

[leaden tide]

I feel it's not that out of character for Wizards to just occaisonally pop out an absolute turd of a set. Most Universes Beyond have been really good, and the ones that weren't were just okay. But they were bound to have a huge miss at some point.

[fierce dragon]

Wasn't ass creed kinda bad

[leaden tide]

It was not great, but imo that was largely because it was a small Aftermath style set.

The cards themselves at least had a good helping of sauce, unlike Spider-Man

And to get on my high-horse, Assassin's Creed is a much better fit for Magic than Spider-Man. Seeing modern day super-hero stuff as Magic cards...idk it's just not clicking.

[fierce dragon]

But consider: Gwenom looks hot

[leaden tide]

But consider: who needs Gwenom when you have:

[fierce dragon]

But consider: deck where all the cards have hot ladies as art
This already exists it's called angel tribal but shhh

[leaden tide]

Also vampires

Just look at this cutie patootie

[fierce dragon]

She could drink me dry and I'd thank her

[tepid stirrup]

Normally turds are artistically mid not artistically bad

[lucid jewel]

Would

Turn me into your zombie thrall mommy

[leaden tide]

Maybe. I think the real litmus test will be how the bigger Marvel set is.

[lucid jewel]

Orzov is the best colour combo for the hottest women. I will also accept gruul because it has the lesbian mommy's

I will also argue again that we need a gruul legendary creature that is named "Nissa and Chandra"

[leaden tide]

Hmm. Trying to think of the most iconic blue thirst-traps.

[leaden tide]

Maybe a creature/Planeswalker hybrid, because Chandra still has her spark.

[lucid jewel]

I like it

[leaden tide]

Also, the correct term Latter is "Gruulfriends"

[lucid jewel]

Im sure grool will be involved

[lucid jewel]

Jace ?

Or is Jace not a thurst trap often enough

I like how I searched Jace and sorin came up

[leaden tide]

Not often enough sadly.

Though this fan-art of twink Jace is quite good....

[lucid jewel]

Thats still not even really twink enough

Oko is the thurstiest blue card I can think of and even thats selesnya

[leaden tide]

I suppose there's Narset, the autistic icon blorbo, but she's only partially blue.

And not really a thirst trap

[leaden tide]

Simic, and yeah

[fierce dragon]

I am a simple woman, I see red scary looking lady and I like

[lucid jewel]

That one lol

Sometimes i forget colour combos I dont use much

[leaden tide]

Okay best I've got for blue:

Kiora

[lucid jewel]

I'll take it

And im sure then ill take it some more ?

[lucid jewel]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZT6tP2Rpo/

This guy is one of my favorite tiktokers

[molten maple]

Hahahahaha I just played against funny game against a Vivi player

He played Vivi and I slammed Vorinclex so Vivi just couldn't get any counters

I didnt realize how hard of a counter that was but it is very welcome

[leaden tide]

Oh gosh, I didn't even get the pun in Electro's name until just now

[turbid falcon]

Lmao that shuts down the cauldron

[lucid jewel]

@leaden tide https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZT6tpRHmV/

Love me some vegewagon

[leaden tide]

Good job folks, we finally broke Displacer Kitten!

[lucid jewel]

Hehehe

I had a feeling that card would be broken and then browsing the tictoks on my way to class i saw that

Just didnt realise it would be so easy

[leaden tide]

Yee. I'm sure there's some way to actually go infinite with it, not just a super loopable combo.

[heavy jasper]

I ended up ordering the Blood Rites deck because a vampire / angel themed deck looks really cool

So I also ordered some boosters from Innistrad Crimson Vow to supplement in the future

(It was definitely not because I saw the Runo Stromkirk card holders)

Avacyn also drew me in becuase I love cool angels with white aesthetic

But apparently she’s broken so I did not order her yet lol

[leaden tide]

Avacyn is gorgeous, but also her card is super expensive in multiple ways.

[heavy jasper]

Yeah. I’d be willing to buy it but don’t wanna have an op card tbh.

[leaden tide]

Hmm. We need to work on corrupting you.

[heavy jasper]

I did consider maybe another Avacyn that’s less op tho

[leaden tide]

(Also on the scale of cards played in Commander, Avacyn is not that broken)

Assuming you're referring to this version of her?

[heavy jasper]

Yeah

[heavy jasper]

Oh really?

[leaden tide]

Well, despite having indestructible, she's relatively easy to remove. She can be countered with a counter-spell before she hits the battlefield, or removed with an exile effect (which gets around the indestructibility because it's a different form of removal).

The way to abuse Avacyn is to play her/cheat her out for relatively cheap, and then cast a board-wipe immediately after.

Because then she protects your stuff while you nuke the opponents'.

[heavy jasper]

Hmmm

It won’t piss off other people?

[charred ruin]

On top of that, afiak the problem with her are "board-wipe tribal" decks where you spam boardwipe effects to leave all your opponents open

Which is very annoying

[leaden tide]

But also this is a tricky thing to pull off, because Avacyn and board-wipes are both expensive in terms of mana. And white is not good at producing excess amounts of mana.

[heavy jasper]

Ah so don’t do that

[leaden tide]

Unless you're specifically building in to that play style, I'd say probably not.

[charred ruin]

A more "normal" deck about assembling a bunch of angels or something and then beating everyone else to death would still be fun and not be annoying

[leaden tide]

Most of the time, she's a big beat-stick and a "win-more" card.

Ope, jinx.

[heavy jasper]

Okay that’s what I want

[leaden tide]

If people get salty because you kill them off of an 8/8 that you cast for 8, then that 8/8 is not the problem.

[heavy jasper]

Yeah ok

I just didn’t want something that is broken and makes people upset that I brought it in haha

[leaden tide]

Haha nah, she's not broken, just strong. You can abuse her if you really build in to it. But she's not like other cards where you have to be actively sandbagging yourself to not go off with them.

[heavy jasper]

Gotcha. So if I just go for fun angel aesthetic, it’s unlikely to be super op, but still strong and viable?

[tepid stirrup]

Boardwipe tribal

[leaden tide]

Yeah. She'll be a good card that might win you games sometimes.

[lucid jewel]

end of the day there is much much more salt inducing commanders that poeple play on the regular

this is a drop in the ocean of salt that wont really bring much salt on her like glam said

[heavy jasper]

Okay I ordered her lol

[lucid jewel]

Yasss

[leaden tide]

Guys we fixed Vivi

[charred ruin]

That's so much worse

[lucid jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-the-land-shark-jeff-marvel-rivals-absolute-cinema-gif-13695558822116321078

[lucid jewel]

New wuburg commander

Spider man set

So im trying to place each of those keywords to colours and is first strike really a black keyword

[charred ruin]

Flying - blue
First Strike - white
Lifelink - black
Trample - green
Haste - red

[lucid jewel]

Idk mabey I associate white with life link

But black does manipulate life a lot

[charred ruin]

Both use it but that's the best way each keyword gets a color

Flying is blue and white, first strike is red and white, lifelink is white and black, and trample is green and red. Haste is basically just red

[leaden tide]

Most keywords are split across multiple colors. Lifelink is a pretty 50/50 split across white and black.

It's like, healing and restorative magic for white, and then vampiric/energy draining magic for black.

[leaden tide]

Also this is making me want to do a whole rant about this set, but idk if it really needs to be said here/if the channel deserves the negativity.

[fierce dragon]

Idk if the channel needs it but my dms are open if you wanna talk about it, I'm interested in what you have to say

[leaden tide]

In a bit perhaps.

[charred ruin]

Honestly I kinda want to hear it to

[leaden tide]

DMed!

[plush bear]

Come play my mono white angels deck

[surreal stag]

If anyone would like to help finish out my ~~Dinosaur ~~pokemon tribal deck proxies here is the list of remaining creatures and the pokemon already in the deck. (none of my proxies will ever be published publicly these one's specifically are only for personal use on TTsim)

[granite whale]

As in you need to figure out what pokémon to represent the magic card?

Could use Tropius for thrashing brontodon or topiary stomper

[surreal stag]

yes, just looking for some more inspiration after my d&d table and is have already done the other 27 proxies (25 creatures, commander, and sol ring) haha

Tropius was on my lsit to add before, not sure why it dropped off.

[granite whale]

Wakening sun's avatar could be a cool arceus. pokémon god descends and blasts away any non-pokémon

[surreal stag]

👏🏼 THIS 👏🏼 IS 👏🏼 WHY 👏🏼 I 👏🏼 COME 👏🏼 HERE 👏🏼

[granite whale]

idk why but tranquil frillback gave me Cradily vibes when I read the card

[surreal stag]

yea not wrong. i had the otehr fossile mons in the back pocket after i added the ones i like lol

[granite whale]

I really like both the gen 3 fossils. Honestly most fossil designs are good

Sunfrill Imitator could be ditto maybe?

[surreal stag]

at this point Eric (nice name its mine too!) whats your favorite pokemon? these suggestions have been so good

[granite whale]

Eric's unite 💪
uhh idk I like way too many pokémon my favorite is at least a top 10 list, probably more xD Sapphire was my first game and I picked Mudkip, so the entire evo line holds a special place for me :3
but I love stuff like Metagross, Corviknight, Reuniclus, Noivern, and so many more hahaha

[surreal stag]

noted....

[granite whale]

Bronzebeak Foragers - Bastiodon

he has that lowkey smirk of "I just removed your stuff"

[surreal stag]

so true lol

[granite whale]

Sawhorn Nemesis could be a few different ones, I think. My first one was Rampardos, mostly because the first part of the name from rampage (pretty sure) so the aggression kind of fits. But if you want off the dinosaur theme maybe something like Primeape/Annihlape. I thought like maybe Roaring Moon but I wasn't too sure on that

[surreal stag]

the art i find could point me in the right direction there but yea Ramp is fun and i love him cuz TCGP

[granite whale]

I had forgotten shiny rampardos is even red, matches well with the original. Sells the intent of the card pretty well I'd say

[surreal stag]

oh damn you right

[granite whale]

Did tropius end up as the thrashing brontodon or Topiary Stomper? 🤔 need to figure out the other one of those

[surreal stag]

Brontodon

Carnavine could be fun for Topiary, or Tangrowth?

Sunfrill could be Zoroark

[plush bear]

Jumbo Cactaur

[surreal stag]

Not in my deck but that is funny

theres 3 creatures in this deck that are not dinosaurs lol

[granite whale]

the meme pick is having a ditto transformed into another pokémon with the funny eyes ._. but zoroark probably makes the cooler card

[surreal stag]

With tangrowth as topiary i only need a Carnosaur

[granite whale]

oh he yelling. Maybe Exploud

That one could be roaring moon, slight reference in the naming 🤔

[surreal stag]

I gotta be honest. I don’t like mence

[granite whale]

fair fair :p

[surreal stag]

Pokemon talk is over now. Ty for your patience lol

[granite whale]

🫡

[heavy jasper]

Now I decided on Avacyn as a commander I think my deck will also be mono white angels lol

[plush bear]

Yessss join me!

My commander is Bruna because I love meld cards

[turbid falcon]

Honestly, it's not so bad

At least it'll actually kill you quickly

Versus original Nadu who's most efficient win con was taking 20 minutes to win

[molten maple]

Id say blafk is most associated with deathtouch and white with lifelink

[leaden tide]

Lifelink is considered to be primary in both white and black, so it shows up roughly equally as often in both colors.

Originally lifelink was primary in white and secondary in black, but that changed a couple years back.

[charred ruin]

True but lifelink shows up a lot in both

[plush bear]

Deathtouch is primary black, secondary green

[charred ruin]

Each color pair has an evergreen keyword that's shared between them.
White and Blue - Flying
Blue and Black - Flash
Black and Red - Menace
Red and Green - Trample
Green and White - Vigilance
White and Black - Lifelink
Black and Green - Deathtouch
Green and Blue - Ward
Blue and Red - Prowess (as of the last year or so, dunno what it would have been beforehand)
Red and White - First Strike/Double Strike

Most show up more in one color than the other (like lifelink or deathtouch) or for other colors but less often (like flying) but these are the general trends

[plush bear]

I’ve never seen a black card with flash

[leaden tide]

Yeah flash is a blue/white thing mostly

[leaden tide]

And some of these show up more often than others, and in different quantities.

Mill is probably the closest blue/black has to a shared keyword, it's just not an ability word.

[plush bear]

Red and Green also share Haste

[leaden tide]

Haste is primary in red, secondary in black and green.

I'd recommend reading this article for a more in-depth look.

https://web.archive.org/web/20211018150036/https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/mechanical-color-pie-2021-changes-2021-10-18

[plush bear]

There aren’t very many black hasters

[leaden tide]

Yeah these days it gets it somewhat less often than green.

[lucid jewel]

Do you want me to link a couple versions of her as a commander

For mono white angels

Here's the wuburg commander btw fam that we were talking about earlier today but in the mtga version

[charred ruin]

The offbrand version of this set is gonna be so weird

[lucid jewel]

Its already super weird

Just from the couple cards I've seen

[turbid falcon]

...this has weird lore implications

[leaden tide]

Now this is a fun Spider-Man card. (also, conent warning, don't click if you don't like spiders. Seriously)

Wouldn't even have to change anything for the Universes Within version.

[lucid jewel]

i really hope some cards are legit just exactly the same

[leaden tide]

They probably can't use the art because of Marvel copyright or whatever. But yeah this one, I don't see anything else that feels it would need to be changed.

Like, even that art could be straight out of Duskmourne

[lucid jewel]

it looks super close to some of the cards in duskmourne

the astetic of some of these cards is so good

the vibe of the set outside of the obviously forced cards to fill out the set is nice

[leaden tide]

Who was waiting for Black Cat?

@turbid falcon I think it was you?

[turbid falcon]

FINALLY

[leaden tide]

The fact that ||Spider-Man are all spiders and Green Goblin is a goblin but she's not a cat creature....||

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-hercules-gif-22417674

[lucid jewel]

too bad shes not dimir then you could make a really interesting copy/blink deck with her

[turbid falcon]

Yeah my thoughts exactly

Mono black makes her much more difficult to build

I'm still gonna do it

[lucid jewel]

and im still excited to see what you do with her

mabey she will have a couple more cards and one is dimir

[leaden tide]

Don't count on it, they probably needed those slots for more obscure spider-variants 🙃

[turbid falcon]

Yeah I'm not counting on it

[lucid jewel]

im sure theres a bunch of variants that are someones special little spider who cant be uninclided or they will feel slighted

[turbid falcon]

Honestly the flavor text is a bit underwhelming as is the art

Should have gone hotter and flirtier

[tepid stirrup]

I'd be surprised if there wasn't at least a Felicia Hardy card

[charred ruin]

To be fair, Black Cat doesn't actually have cat powers (I think) while all the Spider-men do

[lucid jewel]

https://i.imgur.com/bTEYEGU.png

[charred ruin]

Okay I didn't know about that first one but the rest are just training and gear

[lucid jewel]

her actual power is luck based

"Black Cat has gained and lost superhuman powers several times throughout her comic book history, most notably possessing a "bad luck" aura capable of inflicting people in her vicinity with misfortune."

so sometimes she has the power of bad luck aura and sometimes not

[charred ruin]

I think I do want this card or its Arena version if I ever make a Ninja and/or Rogue tribal deck (which is currently held back by the best commander for it, Yuriko, being violently busted)

[lucid jewel]

https://i.imgur.com/vT7NCyM.png idk if im sold on the name/themeing of the mtga version of the set

[leaden tide]

I'm still waiting to hear what plane this is set on.

Also, I uh

I have thoughts about this being a real Magic card.

[lucid jewel]

This is also now a real magic card

[south gorge]

How long has it been since the last story set

[leaden tide]

Edge of Eternities came out a little less than two months ago.

Before that it was Tarkir: Dragonstorm which came out in April.

We won't be getting another Magic IP set until January though.

[fierce dragon]

That's a big gap

[south gorge]

Dam how does it feel having your game become weis Schwartz

[wanton hazel]

it is a little sad getting two UBs in a row, but it's probably a better 'holiday season' product

[granite whale]

Gives me a few months where I can just avert my eyes and enjoy the cards I do have. It's gonna be nice

[leaden tide]

Yeah. While I am definitely interested in Avatar, not much frmo Spider-man is really catching my interest.

Nice way to pretend there's only 5 sets this year instead of 6.

[turbid falcon]

On the bright side the next actual magic set is going to be Lorwyn

Which I am insanely excited for

[wanton hazel]

that's the January one?

[charred ruin]

Yes

[leaden tide]

Yee, about time we get to go back.

After that, the only plane post-Mirrodin that we won't have returned to is Alara.

[turbid falcon]

Now this is more like it

Hell yeah

Gosh she's so hot

[charred ruin]

Me omw to bounce that card to its owner's hand

[surreal stag]

hello.......youre coming home with me

[turbid falcon]

It does have hexproof

[charred ruin]

Oh

[turbid falcon]

You'd need cyclonic rift or something

[leaden tide]

Plz don't ping me unless it's like, pertinent to the conversation.

[charred ruin]

Me omw to Cyclonic Rift it back to the owner's hand

[leaden tide]

Planar Cleansing also does the job.

[plush bear]

Cyc rift does it

And rivers rebuke

[turbid falcon]

But really the right way to use 9 lives is to give it to someone else

[plush bear]

Any aoe

[charred ruin]

Or flood of tears, or Farewell, or Oblivion Stone, or Austere Command

[plush bear]

And anything that makes you sacrifice it

[turbid falcon]

"oh no, my damage has been prevented, now you have it and now you lose"

[leaden tide]

Give it to someone, then kill yourself so that it exiles and takes them down with you.

[plush bear]

Would it do that? I thought the triggers from any of your cards get wiped when you die

[lucid jewel]

theres actually a few decks that like to give everyone else poop stuff

[turbid falcon]

Honestly though
I'm less likely to put it in a deck and more likely to buy a foil and display it

I'm not much of a collector for collectings sake but I make exceptions for my favorite characters

Such as shiny hunting Taln at the con last year

[leaden tide]

Hmm. Maybe, idk what the timing of that would be. Anything you control/own that's on the stack when you loose gets exiled, but this trigger would go on the stack after you die. Let me look.

[turbid falcon]

My gut instinct is that it should work

[leaden tide]

Yeah the comprehensive rules aren't giving me a clean answer.

When a player leaves the game, all objects (see rule 109) owned by that player leave the game and any effects which give that player control of any objects or players end. Then, if that player controlled any objects on the stack not represented by cards, those objects cease to exist. Then, if there are any objects still controlled by that player, those objects are exiled.
The first sentence of this is what would exile the enchantment. The next two sentences refer to things that the player who cast and donated Nine Lives controls, which since they donated the enchantment, they no longer control it or its triggers.

And yes the ability from Nine Lives should trigger if it's not controlled by its owner, and its owner leaves the game.

Leaves-the-battlefield abilities trigger when a permanent moves from the battlefield to another zone, or when a phased-in permanent leaves the game because its owner leaves the game.

[surreal stag]

Thoughts on my d&d table/commander pod thinks || the rest of the infinity stones will go ||

[leaden tide]

Hmm.

||I mean like half the stones should be Blue, if they were to follow Magic's color conventions. So idk.||

And not even like, soft blue like how Earthbending technically fits more flavorfully into red, but works fine in green. No, ||time, mind, and reality are all firmly in blue's wheelhouse.||

So honeslty idk

[surreal stag]

yup thats kinda how we thought too so we kinda just went with the most obvious for blue and stopped thinking about that one lol

[lucid jewel]

||If the time stone is not the green one I will riot||

[surreal stag]

How is it not ||power stone||

[lucid jewel]

Thats totally the logical answer

But green is green

[leaden tide]

https://tenor.com/view/green-ninjago-ninja-sensei-sensei-wu-gif-6467414812525449281

[plush bear]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-muppet-green-its-not-that-easy-gif-16886135

[plush bear]

@heavy jasper These are my favorite angels

[heavy jasper]

Oooooh

Angel horror 🥰

[plush bear]

The meld is even cooler

[heavy jasper]

Avacyn is probably my favorite I’ve seen

[lucid jewel]

Now that is a thematic keyword soup

I like it

[leaden tide]

The original Gisela is my bae

[plush bear]

I adore all the angel arts

[leaden tide]

I don't think I've posted my waifu here yet, think I need to fix that.

[lucid jewel]

I will again exclaim how sad I am that this card art wasn't the token doubler

[leaden tide]

Yee. I do think I have a place for her in my Zuko deck though.

[lucid jewel]

Yuge

Hows that deck looking

Like what are the key peices you have put together so far kinda thing

[leaden tide]

I haven't put too much effort into that one yet.

I have Toph like 80% complete, but Zuko's maybe 15%

[leaden tide]

A couple of Warp/fortell creatures, blink effects like Cloudshift and Conjurer's Closet, plus stuff like Blazing Crescendo that's both a combat trick and a cast-from-exile effect.

[surreal stag]

This why is orange black

[lucid jewel]

Smh orange is the new black got canceled tho

[surreal stag]

I finally finish polishing up a Pokemon(Dino tribal) deck and now I’m reading ANOTHER primer

What have my friends done to me

[surreal stag]

OK ok OK i think i want to try this Mothman deck next. Mill +1/+1 counters so ive got options

[granite whale]

Late to the party but this is the first one that popped into my mind as a favorite.

But there are so many fantastic ones

[charred ruin]

If we're sharing Orzhov angels

[plush bear]

What time is it?

[tepid stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/morbius-gif-25461795

[leaden tide]

https://tenor.com/view/morbius-im-about-to-morb-its-morbin-time-morbius-sweep-marvel-gif-25782014

[charred ruin]

No way this is a real card

Appropriately it's ability is really bad

[wanton hazel]

That cards almost as bad as the movie

[charred ruin]

Truly a prime example of a Legendary draft chaff

[leaden tide]

The sheer volume of basic-ass legendary creatures this set is a little mind-blowing.

[wanton hazel]

It’s at least playable in limited but really doesn’t have to be legendary

Not really excited about limited for this set tho

I’ll at least try it

[molten maple]

hey so whats the next set releasing?

I thoguht it was avatar or spiderman because thats what the leaks im seeing are

but Through the Omenpath preorders just opened on MTG Arena

[leaden tide]

So. Spider-Man is the next set releasing in paper Magic.

However, Wizards were not able to obtain the rights to make a digital Marvel trading card game, as they're already exclusively owned by another company.

So, instead of Spider-Man, Arena is getting the Through the Omenoaths set, aka all the Spider-Man cards but now re-skinned to be Magic original IP instead of Marvel.

[molten maple]

ohhhhh

ok makes sense

Also: this card was just leaked today

I love the flavor but ||are we really sure its a good idea to have a "two mana, kill anything" spell in blue?||

that seems like a pretty heinous color pie break

[leaden tide]

This doesn't kill it though.

[fierce dragon]

it is not the only card like this

[molten maple]

it might as well

you can still sacrifice it or use it as a chump blocker buty both those uses are more or less worthless

[leaden tide]

There's plenty of ways around it that make it not a hard kill.

[molten maple]

unless you run enchantment removal, which nobody does

[leaden tide]

You can run enchantment removal. You can bounce it to your hand.

[molten maple]

nobody plays that in standard

people might sideboard like 2 enchantment removal spells but they wont have any in the main board in any meta deck

[leaden tide]

Small request: please don't ping me for every single reply.

[upper moon]

This kind of thing is definitely pretty blue

Blue has a lot of cards to nerf creatures into the ground in some form or another

[molten maple]

Bluje truly is just the best color

What can it not do? Burn opponents? That's pretty much it

[upper moon]

It can't really do ramp either

And it's bad with creatures in general

But yeah, it's non creature stuff is really strong

[molten maple]

ok true but neither can any color other than green really tbf

[charred ruin]

I mean there's also

I love this card btw

[molten maple]

eh there are plenty of extremely powerful creatures in every color

[leaden tide]

Two more of these types of enchantment. None of which have really ever proven to be problematic in their power level.

[fierce dragon]

yeah it is basically a spin on this, not a new thing for blue

[leaden tide]

The second one imo is much more of a color bend than any of the others, it's so close to being hard removal. But eh

[upper moon]

ehh, monoblue has some big stuff, but not as good as like green or red, or even white/black

Not as cost effective at least

[charred ruin]

Leads to some really funny things in Arena

[leaden tide]

These effects have been around for a while, they're fine in both power level and being within Blue's color pie

[molten maple]

mono green is the other color that has the fewest obvious weaknesses but, the ones it does have are pretty bad. Its creature removal is the worst of any color and by a lot

and creature removal is really really important

[charred ruin]

White also does this too and has probably the best of these disable cards

[molten maple]

yeah but white is like, the removal color

[charred ruin]

It becoming indestructible makes it really hard to get rid of the card. Imprisoned in the Moon is also very good though

[leaden tide]

Green also has a popular version

[charred ruin]

Lol I've never seen that before

[leaden tide]

Yeah, Imprisoned in the Moon is good because you need land destruction or land bounce to get the creature back, both of which are very rare.

Also is why Song of the Dryads is good.

[molten maple]

yeah now this is a color pie break, at the cost of being a horrendous rate and ramping your opponent

[charred ruin]

Also while it is a clear color pie break let's not pretend Blue hasn't ever gotten creature killing effects before

I'm dead certain it's an ancient card that would have been an enchantment like all these others if made this millennium, but due to it's weird effect it's a Commander staple, especially if you don't have white

[charred ruin]

Yeah like that

[molten maple]

Its just weird to me that they put limitations or all the colors except for blue which basically gets to do everything and gets counter spells which no other color gets

[fierce dragon]

i mean if you look through all the cards you cand find a lot of effects on any single color

[charred ruin]

Blue also has issues with actually damaging creatures. Monoblue creatures tend to be weak fodder with evasion abilities, tough blocking pieces, or very large expensive finishers. More mid-size combat creatures are a large weakness and generally lead to long games where you chip down the opponents or fish for the finisher

[fierce dragon]

counter spells are not only printed in blue lol

[molten maple]

wtf why would they print this in red

[charred ruin]

Tbf though this was almost exclusively used to counter your own spell and then fish for large expensive creatures until they fixed it

[molten maple]

yeah

its actually not very good as a counterspell

but still

[molten maple]

hmmm

[charred ruin]

It was supposed to be a counterspell that then randomly gave your opponent some stuff, which isn't too out of band for red (like all the "discard and then draw" effects or like Chaos Warp effectively being exiling a creature) but yeah it had huge unintended side effects

[molten maple]

these are all extremely old cards, when was the last time white got a counterspell?

[leaden tide]

Yeeeuuup. Old cards have a lasting impact like that.

[molten maple]

because I never see them played so I assume they dont print them often anymore

[leaden tide]

Also is why Commander decks are more likely to get color pie bends, like Song of the Dryads.

[charred ruin]

Most obvious color pie breaks are old cards made when they were still figuring things out

[leaden tide]

Because the color pie is much looser in Commander than it is in a Standard set.

[leaden tide]

White hasn't gotten counter spells in a while, but they do get "exile target spell" ever couple sets.

[fierce dragon]

"return spell to owner's hand" too and that kinda deal

[molten maple]

has black ever gotten artifact removal spells?

[leaden tide]

These spells are interesting because, they always give the caster the spell back in some form.

[surreal stag]

https://moxfield.com/decks/bYIe8Ka-90C8EUkvCiik2g

If anyone is bored and wants to critique a newbs first real attempt to make a food fight deck. Im open for conversation. The idea is Ygra get big obvisouly and then tokens and counters for a wide baord to support that idea.

[charred ruin]

Red also gets this (which is made for and afiak exclusive to Commander)

[leaden tide]

But also they're in some ways situationally better because they get around "this spell can't be countered" clauses.

[leaden tide]

Red gets plenty of redirrect effects, this one is just an outlier because you can cast it for free.

[charred ruin]

This btw might actually be one of the most BS cards ever made

[leaden tide]

From the Avatar set:

[molten maple]

yeah those uncounterable spells are fairly rare though, a regular counterspell is better in 99% of cases

[charred ruin]

I thought that was the only other one

[molten maple]

ok this spell is extremely cool

[leaden tide]

This one is likely to be an all-star in Commander (but certainly not a Game Changer), 5 health is cheap

[leaden tide]

https://tagger.scryfall.com/tags/card/change-target

[charred ruin]

That said blue has the other most BS card of that cycle

Noncreature spell makes it not too bad but it's always frustrating when you planned around the blue player being tapped out and then they drop this on you

[leaden tide]

Free/pitch spells almost always end up being at the top end of the power band, yeah.

and also damnably expensive

[fierce dragon]

point being like, color pie is a lot more flexible than it seems

[charred ruin]

Elemental Money Pile babyyyyyyyy

[leaden tide]

Color pie is 90% 🌠 VIBES 🌠

[charred ruin]

(Modern Horizons 2 era deck that played Omnath, Locus of Creation and four of a cycle of 5 elementals with free casts and ETB effects. All components became ludicrously expensive and were elementals, thus the name)

[fierce dragon]

like tbh i feel saying x color is strongest is a bit of a eh argument cuz like, every color has a trillion cards and while it is true the amount of good cards™ a color might have a specific set varies there is also the like... let's assume blue is in fact the strongest color, it really doesnt change the fact that you still gotta deck build and play the game and that playing the strongest™ without knowing why it might be strong doesnt really make you more likely to win in a game where deckbuilding and card choices is one of the main things right

[native light]

shoutout to RK Post for the old magic references

[plush bear]

I don’t know, I’d play Morbius in Dhimir control

Slow wincon, healing, with card advantage from the graveyard

[lucid jewel]

Ppl keep talking about this colour pie thing but it honestly has always seemed like some bs out of the 90s that wizards threw away over a decade ago

[charred ruin]

Considering that most of the cards that are out of band with the color pie are older ones from the 90s, I'd actually argue the opposite and it was something mostly formalized later

[upper moon]

Yeah, I think the color pie is a big thing still. It's one of the core aspects that makes mtg interesting imo

It's just that there's a fair amount of overlap in colors

[leaden tide]

Also while there's a lot of things that overlap between colors, how they do those things remains pretty distinct.

[charred ruin]

Yeah

Better examples of stuff left in the 90s are landhome/landwalk, mana burn, land destruction (outside of targeting nonbasic lands that's meant for killing utility lands), and color hosers (which do occasionally still show up but are rare)

My gosh landhome and landwalk are terrible mechanics

[plush bear]

Arena is currently in a strip mine meta lmao

[charred ruin]

Oh no

Please explain

[plush bear]

FF set added a ton of good landfall and easy graveyard land recursion, and also strip mine is legal

[lucid jewel]

Strip mine is so fun in my landfall brawl deck

So many funs in fact ppl quit after I drop it sometimes

I also think land destruction is fine if its a one off board wipe kinda thing that still leaves like 3 or 4 lands

In commander

[plush bear]

I say print Armageddon in standard

[lucid jewel]

Idk if we need that

[plush bear]

We need Stone Rain

[lucid jewel]

Which will get redirected

And be hilarious

[upper moon]

Print franky peanuts + mirrorweave + blacker lotus + a control target player card in standard

[plush bear]

Unban Nadu

[lucid jewel]

Oof

Thats certainly an opinion

[slender moss]

in pauper

[plush bear]

In modern

[slender moss]

No

[plush bear]

yes

[leaden tide]

Would require re-printing him at common

[slender moss]

We need normal pauper gameplay and someone just slams a nadu

(/j to be clear)

[leaden tide]

I wanted to build some Pauper decks until I realized the cards I want to build around are uncommons, not commons.

[molten maple]

I... uhhhh

Profit I guess?

[lucid jewel]

Yes

Always profit pick thos

[molten maple]

Its just free gold I guess

[lucid jewel]

Sometimes they have gems or packs for super cheap as well

Yep

[plush bear]

One of the few games I’ve seen that has genuine deals

[lucid jewel]

And honestly mtga isnt bad for pricing and gacha bs

It actually drops the price on most decks considerably compared to paper

Since every card is worth the same

[plush bear]

They aren’t

Well within rarity they are

[lucid jewel]

Yes

Thats what I meant with in rarity all cards are the same price

[plush bear]

The economy is still terrible

All decent lands being rare means there’s constantly a drought

[slender moss]

Yeah but the devs are kind enough to provide ways of farming wildcards/coins/gems/packs that are fairly consistent

[plush bear]

Last I checked I had like 3 rare wildcards and 20 mythics

[slender moss]

Also you can just run monored

[plush bear]

Yeah but I don’t want to play monored

[lucid jewel]

Run mono white

Mono white slaps right now

[plush bear]

I don’t want to use good cards, I want to do shenanigans with niche cards

[lucid jewel]

Idk i just wanna have a way to play standard on the regular

And this is a really good way to do that

[plush bear]

Like I saw a video about mono red stax

Which looks hilarious, but uses a ton of rares

[slender moss]

I also think that things are easier once you get a good account on Arena

[lucid jewel]

Same

[leaden tide]

Yeah, this is Wizards official stance on cards, because if they acknowledged after-market prices, they'd be legally liable to be regulated as a gambling company.

[plush bear]

I have a good account. Though I guess it’s pretty behind now

[lucid jewel]

I've been playing regularly for the last couple sets and my collection just steadily grows

[slender moss]

Like at this point I have enough random rares from prize packs that I can build random historic brawl decks that win 75%+ of the time just out of whimsy without spending a single wildcard

[plush bear]

I don’t play draft

[slender moss]

Infinity Drafting is good for building a collection up

[lucid jewel]

I have 0 issues making any of the current top bo1 standard decks and get plenty of currency to do at least a draft a week on quick draft

And if im lucky that's profit and I do a couple drafts in a week

Mtga is solid for a player like me

I might even invest in the pre order stuff for the comming set just so I can have all the things from the battle pass

And some extra draft tokens are nice

[slender moss]

I'm trying to get good enough at draft to save up the gems to buy the pass

I don't actually spend money

[lucid jewel]

Use untapped overlay

Its huge helps me so so much

[molten maple]

I did a LOT of final fantasy drafts

But I dont like EoE nearly as much as a draft format

I've only done 2, though they both went 7-2 lol

[tepid stirrup]

And/or a securities company

[heavy jasper]

What are these btw

[plush bear]

Hard to tell, but I assume they slot in the box to separate sections of cards

[gloomy pagoda]

They look way too short, but yeah, those look like dividers

[gloomy pagoda]

They almost look like they could be those life spinners, but I don't see any spinny bits

[plush bear]

It came with a click wheel, they wouldn’t include both

[leaden tide]

New little side project: collecting Serra Angels.

At least the ones that aren't super expensive.

I have two more that I need, the rest are over $5, which is my limit for this.

[lucid jewel]

what in the actual hell

there is so many printings of this

https://cards.scryfall.io/large/front/a/7/a7f7e0ec-a5a9-410f-b062-d768aa59ecde.jpg?1559276520 even this silly thing

thats blue with a black border but white mana

insanity

[leaden tide]

Yeah, old Magic print runs had some...whacky stuff.

[lucid jewel]

63 printings of her tho is so crazy

[charred ruin]

What is that art?

[lucid jewel]

i think this one is my fav art outside of the silly blue one https://cards.scryfall.io/large/front/b/0/b089b409-2156-4c94-890f-e8804ab5a50c.jpg?1562930524

[leaden tide]

That's a good one.

Several of my favorite Magic artists have done Serra Angel art, but of them I gotta pick Rebecca Guay's art:

[fierce dragon]

woman

[plush bear]

I love this one

[leaden tide]

Also a classic.

[granite whale]

Commander game day with the mates today, Kefnet and Golbez got themeselves a win each 📈

[lucid jewel]

Spider man set.

This seems like an interesting commander

For orzov life gain

[plush bear]

idk

Seems expensive

[lucid jewel]

Mabey

[leaden tide]

Yeah 7 mana is a lot for a Commander.

You'll want/need a deck that mostly functions without him, and uses him as a finisher.

[plush bear]

The problem is that using him as a finisher sets back your game plan

[slender moss]

[[Font of Agonies]] and an Orzhov blink shell maybe?

Why did I bracket the card name

The bot from Scryfall is not on this server

I'm too used to my LGS' discord guys

[plush bear]

Mods hate us 😔

[molten maple]

Haha I just played against few really fun commander games

One had a funny ending where I had a huge board that was going to kill my final opponent, so he tried to board wipe me

I responded by trying to phase my creatures out with Ripples of Potential to save them, but he cast An Offer You Can't Refuse to counterspell me with his final mana

BUT as it turns it I COULD refuse his offer because I made HIM an offer HE couldn't refuse 😎

Another game, my final opponent was playing a lifelink deck and had like 200 life, but I cheesed him out by saccing a creature with Greater Good, moving its counters to my Inkmoth Nexus, and poisoning him

I've noticed that it this deck is VASTLY more powerful when I draw Greater Good, that spell is unbelievably good

[slender moss]

Well it is in the name after all...

[lucid jewel]

I want products like this but for mtg

Give me different levels of standard pre con decks

They've done it before and imo it would be a large boon to getting ppl to play standard more

[leaden tide]

I did see on Reddit today that apparently there's some 60 card precons listed for Lorwyn Eclipsed.

[lucid jewel]

LETS GOOOO!!!!!

that is quite exciting if they are semi decent precons

even if they are the equivelent of "level two" decks compared to the pokemon system

[slender moss]

Ah I loved my two Standard Challenger Decks back when that was a product

I got them as gifts and they were good enough that you could unwrap them at your LGS and then have a meta deck for FNM

[lucid jewel]

Thats all I want

Like the precon commander decks have been such a good product

I just wish they could come out with regular pre con standard decks too

[leaden tide]

Think Standard would be harder to design around. Commander is a pretty stable format by virtue of its size, and also the precons don't have to be good to be playable and fun.

Standard, I guess they could try and make somewhat synergistic decks without chasing the meta exactly.

But making like, fully good decks would be hard.

[lucid jewel]

I can see that, I would be fine even if they were substandard thematic things. Like a mono white shell, red agro, black demons and green landfall right now would be enough and you can load those up with cheaper versions of things.

In the current meta that covers so much stuff and can be very thematic

[lucid jewel]

Especially the mono white deck can be really quality with out that much

[molten maple]

Theres also the issue of any hypothetical standard precon being non-legal in just a few years time

[turbid falcon]

Or the fact that standard is a hot mess rn

[lucid jewel]

This is solved by them comming out with a few precon standard decks every set or every other set

[wanton hazel]

That's no different from packs or any Magic product, really? The purpose of a hypothetical standard pre-con would be to reduce the barrier of entry into the format, which is currently rather high

[lucid jewel]

and them being standard legal for the next at least a year is good enough for me

with small changes as new sets come out is a great way to get into standard

also would drive me to open new set packs or engage with new sets every new set

[tepid stirrup]

I'm not sure it is the same as any other MTG product. As compared to Commander precons, a Standard precon would take as much (possibly more) effort in terms of construction and testing, its much riskier if it is bad in Standard, and it has a much more limited sales window

[leaden tide]

Full Through the Omenpaths gallery is up

https://magic.wizards.com/en/mtgarena/through-the-omenpaths/card-image-gallery

Don't have a lot of time to look through it right now, but it seems fascinating to say the least.

It looks like it occurs on multiple planes, not just one.

[lucid jewel]

im kinda fascinated as well and really wish i could get these cards in paper

100% proxying some of these they are sick

https://media.wizards.com/2025/om1/en_eEJcVNBPwp.webp

duskmorne named

so at least that plane

[fierce dragon]

i know this is not it but it kinda feels like a set made of rejected art for previous ones

[leaden tide]

I mean tbh a bit. These are from the Edge, Bloomburrow, and Kamigawa respectively.

[leaden tide]

Spider-Ham is horrific in the best possible way

[lucid jewel]

oh wow

also i would bet that 90% of the spider specific art is new

but i could see the others as art that was comisioned but then not used in previous sets

[leaden tide]

Yeah. I'm sure most of it is. It's just interesting to me that they ended up not going with a specific setting. It's just a multiversal grab-bag.

[fierce dragon]

there is the duskmourne girl everyone hates

[lucid jewel]

which is what the spiderman set is as well

[leaden tide]

idk if there's any lore or story associated with it, but it might be a "Multiversal adventure" kind of set.

[leaden tide]

Beautiful.

[tepid stirrup]

Spider-man as a sub-IP of Marvel is so weird. Not sure if I can think of anything else quite like it

[charred ruin]

This one?

[fierce dragon]

oh they arent the same one nevermind

[charred ruin]

Do people hate this card?

[upper moon]

I mean, I didn't pay much attention to duskmourne, but it seems very unlike magic to me, even less so than the rest of the set

[leaden tide]

Yeah, it's an example of a big disconnect between the lore and art of the set.

In the lore, Valgoth was supposed to have taken over the plane decades ago.

Yet there's art of cheer-leaders and track-jocks like they'd been living their 1980s lives just a few days ago.

[charred ruin]

I thought it was only a couple years ago that he'd taken over the plane?

Ah never mind

I'd never thought about that before but yeah that's so weird

[leaden tide]

Oh this art is amazing.

[lucid jewel]

that is beautiful

[lucid jewel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/s/AnCmKtwl7o

Fleem is so good

Reminds me of one of the how to train your dragons

[upper moon]

Fleem and fblthp double legendary when

[slender moss]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/challenger-decks-2022 Found it!

This was the last year Wizards printed out competitive Standard precons

They made an amendment to the rules stating that Faceless Haven was unbanned when running in this exact decklist, that was funny

[leaden tide]

Man, looking through the rest of the Through the Omenpaths cards...this is a bad set for folks with arachnophobia.

[tepid stirrup]

If only there were an alternative set of artwork more friendly to people with arachnophobia

[wanton hazel]

would be funny if the arena client was moddable to let you unofficially 'proxy' the spider-man artwork

alas, I don't think Hasbro would appreciate that

[rare sparrow]

does anyone know where this video of brandon and mark rosewater is posted? he seems to think in the weekly update that it's already posted but it's not on his or the official MTG youtube channel

[leaden tide]

Disney would be the ones not happy. Me thinks.

[wanton hazel]

I mostly just think that Hasbro would not be interested in dealing with the heat of people publicly playing magic with whatever images they like. Disney for one, but someone could just as easily proxy something more inappropriate

[leaden tide]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/standard-and-moving-ban-announcement

Tl;dr no emergency ban for Vivi, but he's almost certainly getting hit in the November (which has been pushed up two weeks).

Also they admit that they got the BnR schedule wrong this year, and are working on improving it for next year.

[lucid jewel]

I also like their language around the fact that vivi is the problem and cauldron might not be in need of a ban

Also doing this announcement today on Sept 9th and then the ban announcement on Nov 10th

Is a great ammount of time to make good decisions

[leaden tide]

Yeah. Plenty of time to sell your $400 worth of cards.

[tepid stirrup]

You mean after the biggest ban wave in like 15 years resulting in Vivi supremacy they noticed something might be off here?

(In the same colors as the previous problem, even)

I do think for what its worth Vivi is easier to ban from a popularity perspective than some might think, Vivi is a very popular character but I think as compared to some of the other Final Fantasy characters and cards he probably doesn't clear top 5 for FF people

[plush bear]

Also mono red being the solution to Vivi is not a good thing

It’s been forever since something besides hyper aggro has dominated the meta (we don’t count Nadu)

[leaden tide]

Yeah it's not like he's Cloud or Yuna.

[leaden tide]

These aren't the highest quality possible, as I don't think the update's out on Arena yet so nobody's been able to scrape the art from there. And there's no print bleed margin if you're using a service like MakePlayingCards.

But, woe, Omenpaths renders be upon ye
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1QyhyPIReDvh-YjixruG5iQJB48CKBgZW

(Not my work, got it form elsewhere)

[lucid jewel]

this is when things will offically be out on mtga

im gonna wait for higher quality pulls before i proxy anything

[fierce sentinel]

What pre releases are yall looking forward to

[charred ruin]

Lorwyn next year

[lucid jewel]

"ziplinging"

what ever that is im curious

im not that hype for the magic lore sets

[plush bear]

Plane chase is fun

[lucid jewel]

Was more noting the angels

[heavy jasper]

AVACYN

Btw my angel deck and Avacyn came last night

[plush bear]

Show it off!

[lucid jewel]

Pics or it didnt happen

Angel tits or gtfo

[lucid jewel]

WOMAN!

[plush bear]

ooo Baneslayer Angel

love that art

[lucid jewel]

I love all of those arts

[lucid jewel]

https://i.imgur.com/4lnUb4s.png

decided to try out the arena cube draft

this is my deck and feels good

[leaden tide]

I'm looking forward to Avatar, tbh

[lucid jewel]

The deck was fine i just played poorly and went 3-3

[leaden tide]

Can't go wrong with Boros agro

[lucid jewel]

I mostly just miss played some cards cause they were relatively new to me

Could have probs gone 4 or 5 wins at least

[wanton hazel]

I know spider man better than avatar, but January’s set will be cool too

I’m pretty sure I’ll do at least one Spider-Man prerelease

[surreal stag]

I made the same spider fight deck that everyone else makes when they think about playing shelob. Added Gwenom because she’s the only thing from the spider man set worth playing

Oh and soul stone

[surreal stag]

Had an empty hand, 9ish mana on board. Top deck beldros wither bloom with 11 hp. Ygra on board with +8/+8 already, pay ten hp for my mana back, sac foods for a bit more hp, my buddy lightening bolts me before I sac a food, I thought I was dead

Other buddy points out I have two mana flooring and beldros is a food. I swing ygra and kill the guy who lightning bolted me

Next guys turn I’m dead on his upkeep

W O R T H I T

[leaden tide]

Hehe savage.

[leaden tide]

Oh geez, my LGS just posted the prices for Spider-Man: $8 for a Play Booster

Jesus Christ $90 for a Bundle

This set is going to sell like utter ass.

[fierce dragon]

Oh wow

[charred ruin]

Yeah that's gonna be really bad

[granite whale]

FF got away with it, but I don't see spider-man having the same appeal. I'm very biased towards FF tho.

[leaden tide]

Spider-Man hasn't looked too exciting from the previews, and also it's a much smaller set than FF.

[wanton hazel]

It sounds like there’s still a scalper market who hasn’t quite caught on yet so Hasbro is going to be happy either way

[slender moss]

Got all 17 lands onto the battlefield in an EoE draft

[lucid jewel]

Landers go brrrr

[leaden tide]

It made the limited environment really fun, very easy to splash whichever colors you wanted.

(though it did make green kinda mandatory for that, unless you got lucky and opend like, all the lander cards for the other colors)

Still, good mechanic, great tool for limited.

Also, the artist for the Through the Omenpaths version of Reprive (a card that's only been printed in UB so far) posted the art on Reddit and...holy hell it's gorgeous. https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/1nganbe/my_full_art_for_reprieve_a_watercolor_painting/

Magic art is so storming good.

[molten maple]

lmao

at magic night yeesterday I played against a guy who played a deck that is built around gambling

he fliped like 20 coins pers turn

but he ended up losing like 75% of his flips

[plush bear]

I love those-decks

So fun

[molten maple]

this guy better never go to vegas

Another game, a guy had the ability to win the game but decided to set us all up to die to Descent into Avernus at the same time 💀

[leaden tide]

The correct way to end the game

[turbid falcon]

Yesterday I'm playing my Shadow the hedgehog deck, which has been performing, uh, not great. But I have a combo win in hand, I just need the ghostly prison to be removed to win
My other opponent proceeds to blow up all enchantments and artifacts, which wrecks EVERYTHING on my board, given how much I rely on artifact mana, but I still have my commander and 5 mana available

So I SLAM my combo down and finally secure a win with split second, completely uninteractable massive board of hasty 2/2 dual caster mages

Then next game I got blown out the hardest I ever have been, using Teval I exiled my entire graveyard and lost 37 life casting a massive Exsanguinate for lethal
Only to get blown out by a counterspell, which I literally could have prevented if I had played another card in my hand, leaving me at -20 life living on a platinum angel

I died soon thereafter, and the other two drew with a platinum angel lock

[leaden tide]

That counterspell player must have been so insufferably smug after.

[surreal stag]

I just got one shot by Karlach after I drew NO RAMP playing golgari and finally getting shelob on the board

For fun I drew 30 more cards. 3 ramp 1 dork

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-gif-19144167

[leaden tide]

https://tenor.com/view/drifter-destiny-oof-alright-alright-alright-gif-13749019

That's some nasty RNG.

[surreal stag]

tbf i had a silklash spider down and fight spells in hand, i would have stolen karlach and wiped the E Markovs board....without going to combat

[turbid falcon]

He was

[steep juniper]

wait what

this is allowed???

this goes hard in hydra tribal

[wanton hazel]

hm, prerelease costs just posted for this MTG set, and while I've been planning on playing at least one idk if I'll play more than that

[leaden tide]

It's such a small set, and it costs as much as Final fantasy. That just feels bad imo, regardless of whether you like the set's design or not.

[lucid jewel]

i like this new background

[wanton hazel]

I'm not sure if I mind smaller sets, like you still get just as many cards in a pack right?

[lucid jewel]

yeah the cards per pack are the same

i think honestly if collectors boosters didnt exist and you had more special things in regular packs i wouldnt mind the economics for this set as much

[wanton hazel]

yeah, to a certain extent that's just modern Magic, I don't really try to collect sets and the cost of collecting is a big part of that

[lucid jewel]

the only cards i truly collect are on mtga

[wanton hazel]

indeed, that's a problem with the 'standard' format, people just don't seem to play it on paper anymore, it's all on the app now

[lucid jewel]

especially post covid

and with out standard precons

i really believe whole heartedly that semi regular standard precons even if its once or twice a year will change things dramaticly

in how much ppl play standard in paper

[molten maple]

holy moly yeah this is insane in hydra tribal wtf

[lucid jewel]

https://archidekt.com/decks/16069908/sliver_proxy_

thoughts on this sliver deck ? im thinking of proxying it

found some sweet alien xenomorph proxy's for them

[leaden tide]

Personaly I think Shifting Sliver is a trap. "Can't be blocked" is a lot scarrier than other forms of evasion, and makes that card a removal magnet.

[lucid jewel]

thats good to know

mabey ill swap it out for some more removal

or protection

also which of these are the better commanders because i know a lot use the cascade one as their commander

https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/aliens-xenomorph-custom-art-sliver-deck/ this is also the arts im going to use

[gloomy pagoda]

Otoh, it's a Sliver deck, you're already public enemy no. 1

[lucid jewel]

yaa thats also a good point

i do expect to generat a lot of salt with this deck

[leaden tide]

Oh you're for sure gonna get targeted. Which is why you gotta try and make the deck appear less threatening, so that you have the time to set up your board state.

[leaden tide]

Not my favorite frame, but the art choices are spectacular.

[lucid jewel]

Yaa the art choices drew me in

I've been on a big alien xenomorphs kick with painting tyranids and watching alien earth

Also means I can get a relatively expensive deck to play with friends with cool art for less than the like 2k it might cost to buy the slivers for reals

[leaden tide]

Hmm maybe watching AtlA was a mistake.

I looked through the Avatar spoilers today and was met with the urge to collect the entire set and put it in a binder in chronological order.

[lucid jewel]

[heavy jasper]

If I do a Kibo deck, am I more likely to make it a fun game for others or will they get annoyed / will it be obnoxious?

[charred ruin]

I think that looks funny

[granite whale]

The only salty people will be artifact players I think with their treasures and clues. But they're always commiting tax evasion anyways. Some monkey IRS business would do them good

[charred ruin]

Plus they'll have extra sacrificial artifacts anyway

[upper moon]

And I mean, to start with, he wouldn't be too hard for them to remove if they have any form of burn whatsoever

[heavy jasper]

Yeah that’s true

I was thinking of attempting a sort of artifact wipe constantly to always give monkeys boosts and get strong enough to win later

I think the only real problem would be drawing games out

I like the low mana cost to play him again too

But I thought it seemed funny

[granite whale]

If you wipe artifacts and the monkey gets big I think games afe gonna end pretty quickly

I'm sure it'll be very funny

[heavy jasper]

Aight bet

That sounds fun

[granite whale]

Use Descent Into Avernus if you are brave

Think that's the name

[heavy jasper]

Ooh that’s a good idea

I like the thought of that

Big boost fast

[lucid jewel]

as long as you arent filling the deck with board wipes or mass artifact removal then kibo is fun times for all

just throwing bananas at everyone is mostly good times

[heavy jasper]

So some board wipes and some artifact removal but not all that = fun?

[lucid jewel]

you can also kinda build it in a voltron ish direction

where you bring a bunch of protection for the monkey

[lucid jewel]

yaa so like if i was building this deck it would be a deck that has a couple board wipes and artifact removals but not that many and i would totally focus more on protecting the monky and throwing 100000 bananas at ppl

a couple untap effects are gonna be fun too if you can find them

[heavy jasper]

Gotcha.

I ran my Avacyn deck in my first time playing and I had so much fun, so I was thinking of getting another deck with a bit different of a playstyle because I had a ton of fun

(Avacyn’s biggest problem was she got exiled a lot and mana cost is high lolol)

So I was thinking of having two different decks to alternate

[charred ruin]

Behold

The green equivalent of Rhystic Study and Smothering Tide when it comes to value and salt farming

[granite whale]

I do think the deck should run something like vandalblast though, it is also a finisher since your monkeys go big if you kill a bunch of artifacts then swing out. It's all about balancing the deck to play it's own gameplan, let others play but still have responses when necessaty. It's just as unfun to sot an entire turn cycle pr two and everybpdy just shrugs "what removal".

[charred ruin]

Probably also want a Vandalblast since you'll need a couple artifact boardwipes

[granite whale]

Seedborn muse the goat

[leaden tide]

Having multiple decks is a lot of fun yeah, just the variety makes playing more interesting.

[leaden tide]

And yeah. My first commander deck ever was Gisela, another big expensive angel. Trying to make her work convinced me that I never want to play a commander that costs more than 4, maybe 5 mana.

[heavy jasper]

Yeah I get that lol

I still like her as my commander for this deck, but it’s an uphill battle and I’ll need to think of better ways to generate mana for her

[leaden tide]

Yeah...the only color that can reliably ramp out enough to support massive commanders on its own is green.

White struggles a lot. And its best ramp comes in the form of powerful/expensive/sometimes unpopular stuff like Smothering Tithe.

[leaden tide]

Funny how two of these (Muse and Rhystic) are game-changers and Tithe is not.

[heavy jasper]

Are there strats for recovery from exile for some of these cards?

[leaden tide]

Oh wait, Tithe is a GC too, forgot that.

[leaden tide]

Hmm. Generally no. There's like 2 or 3 cards that let you pull things from exile, but I don't think they're playable in mono-white.

There are a very few number of cards that let you evade Commander Tax, but there's only two that are playable in mono-white:

[granite whale]

This would be funny with the monkey

More bananas, more counters. Because it's symmetrical

[heavy jasper]

That works really well lolol

[granite whale]

The monkey is a generous god of destruction. Here, have more bananas.

[heavy jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/oogway-master-oogway-turtle-kung-fu-panda-master-gif-21324433

[charred ruin]

Oh wow I thought Tithe was

[charred ruin]

Ah okay

Doubling Season would also go hard in monke deck

[granite whale]

I'm a bit of a chaos goblin and would personally put in symmetrical doublers, but season wouls do work too!

And season was a bit pricey last time I checked

[leaden tide]

Yeah I was mixing it up with Trouble in Pairs, which recently got de-listed from the GC list.

[granite whale]

I'm very curious to see the monkey deck once you finish it. Please share 😄

[lucid jewel]

There's also another reason I wanna proxy up the sliver deck. I think im ready to be the villan

I think im ready to be the whole problem

I also want a wuburg deck

[plush bear]

In my experience sliver players aren’t the problem, they are the victims

[lucid jewel]

Victims of successfully dragging all hate to them?

[plush bear]

Yes

[leaden tide]

Yeah even casual pods know that Slivers will snow-ball incredibly fast if you let them. So they tend to get targeted.

[charred ruin]

Also ime WUBRG decks tend to either become unplayable jank or among the strongest archetypes in the game so I tend to target them immediately

I've been burned too many times by Kenrith and Go-Shintai decks, am scared of Ur-Dragon and Sliver decks despite having not played against one yet, and am annoyed that Golos was one of the best Commanders ever for nearly any deck even if he was banned before my time

However on the jank side, my friends have attempted Tom Bombadil and a changeling guy (as a budget Ur-Dragon) and neither of those worked well

[leaden tide]

Yeah I've heard that about Tom Bombadil.

He's a great value engine for sagas, it's just that...sagas don't really win you the game on their own.

That might be different now with Final Fantasy saga creatures though.

[charred ruin]

Yeah he did try that before FF released

[tepid stirrup]

One of my core memories is when I was like twelve or thirteen years old, I was a fan of slivers. I had a deck that was like 100-120 cards (I didn't know better), WUBRG, just chucking in any cool card I found and mostly slivers because obviously slivers were the best type line. I specifically remember playing against some other kid in a locker room for some reason and I was getting absolutely rekt, but I had some idea that what I thought was my strongest card, Quicksilver Elemental, could save me. I think I thought it was Quicksliver Elemental for a while (it isn't), and I think once I figured out that it wasn't a sliver that its one blue mana cost activated ability (gain all activated abilities of target creature) would also functionally make it a sliver because I didn't know what differentiated an activated ability. I said to the other kid I was playing that I thought Quicksilver Elemental would save me, and then I topdecked it and the kid ragequit and accused me of cheating

Topdecking anything in that deck was ludicrous because the deck was so big and I only had one copy of most things

I'm also 90% sure the kid would have won the game if he'd played it out, maybe even if he'd allowed me to "activated ability" my Quicksilver Elemental into a Sliver, which would have been an illegal play but neither of us were particularly well versed in the actual rules then

[lucid jewel]

I could see him working much better post ff

[heavy jasper]

https://www.topdecked.com/decks/monkeying-around/4a66a34b-f359-4f8b-8724-6fd4ca3082ad

here is what I am thinking

[plush bear]

I love the flavor

[heavy jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-peely-fortnite-peely-fortnite-og-og-og-gif-17541816937642508880

[leaden tide]

https://tenor.com/view/minion-banana-gif-minion-minions-gif-81650879192259967

[lucid jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/banana-intensifies-gif-24217724

[charred ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-queen-banana-potassium-gif-23162236

[plush bear]

This art is so cool

[upper moon]

Wait, so the Spiderman set is a general marvel set now?

[leaden tide]

Kinda? WotC has a deal with Marvel for multiple sets.

There's a bigger one coming out next year that's more mainline Marvel, and from what I understand, possibly another set after that.

Spider-Man was supposed to be a small, Aftermath style teaser set. But after the last set that style did bomb diddly (Assassin's Creed), they changed gears last minute and turned it into a full (albeit rather small) Standard set.

Hence why some of the designs are cool and flavorful (like Spider-Man 2099) and others (like Mary-Jane Watson) are generic and tepid. Because they had to check boxes for limited instead of having time to make proper flavorful designs.

Anyways back to the Soul Stone, it seems that WotC's doing them as a super-cycle, rolling them out in multiple sets over time like they did the Mirrian swords. So Spider-Man gets one, and then the Marvel set next year will get a couple, etc.

[tepid stirrup]

I hope they don't all end up as cracked as Soul Stone appears to be

[leaden tide]

Of course they're not gonna be as pushed as the Soul Stone.

They're gonna be even more pushed.

[surreal stag]

i was listening/watching to the ED Hijnks epsidoe today where one of the guest played a group hug banana deck haha

from what i saw it was a very fun deck to play, very unhinged and chaotic lol

[molten maple]

is it just me or is azorious control just wildly overpowered right now in standard

[lucid jewel]

its not wildly overpowered right now in standard

[molten maple]

maybe it just matches up really well against the decks I paly

but they feel completely impossible to beat

they just counterspell literally everything you try to cast and draw 6 cards a turn

I just got counterspelled liteally 16 times in a single game

and when i finally got creatures onto the board they just got board wiped or hit by a get lost

you cant even burn them out of counterspells because they consult the star charts/stock up etc every turn so they always have the perfect hand

[plush bear]

You have to slow play it. Your win con becomes stopping their (usually tenuous) win con and making them deck themselves with all that card draw

[lucid jewel]

you really just gotta keep giving them things to answer you have more questions than they have answers

a little bit of agression helps as well

[molten maple]

you will never have more threats than they have counterspells

they have like 16-20 counterspells in their deck and like a billion ways to draw them lol

and anything that gets resolved is just getting removed anyways

[plush bear]

So you deck them out

[molten maple]

theyre eventually going to burn you out with the burn counterspells or like 2 1/1 fodder creatures

that you cannot kill because you cant actually cast any spells

like you can beat those decks by playing a super aggro deck and punishing them for drawing cards

but I dont see how you can win as a midrange/combo deck

and even them they usuallly have the tools to deal with aggro decks too other than the vivi cauldron ones

the real way to win is
1: hope you play first
AND
2: hope they get mana screwed/mana flooded

[south gorge]

I think its just all the azorious players are smarter than you and therefore you lose. Its independant of the deck

[plush bear]

That’s how it goes

[molten maple]

eh i switched decks and I am destroying them now

[plush bear]

Control > Combo > Midrange > Aggro > Control

Control is designed to prey on combo and midrange

[molten maple]

I was playing midrange, now im playing aggro and they get rolled

[charred ruin]

Yeah

[leaden tide]

Spider

[lucid jewel]

Spider

[plush bear]

Spider

[upper moon]

Spider

[south gorge]

Spider

[noble zinc]

Printed some custom cards based on various Sanderson properties, took a few photos of some of the literal hundreds of cards lying around
(spoilers for the Stormlight Archive and Reckoners series)

I’ve made and printed, so far:

2 60 card decks, for the reckoners and skyward books each
3 commander decks; one mistborn (both eras), one stormlight archive, and one general cosmere/anything I couldn’t fit

I’ve been in the process of making a third 60-card deck for various other Sanderson properties (dark one, rithmatist, dragonsteel prime, etc)

But there is only so much fanart, especially for the lesser-known books

[noble zinc]

I could just make a full set of these at this point, I might make them into a draft cube for my usual table

[granite whale]

If you make a cube, how concerned are you with being faithful to MtG design? Because while your cards have great mechanical flavor in regards to the source material (at least the cosmere stuff, only stuff I know) the color pie is off for the stormlight cards from an MtG PoV.

[lucid jewel]

UMMM...... https://bsky.app/profile/magic.wizards.com/post/3lzgv27avyp2l

Magic: The Gathering (@magic.wizards.com)

Happy Birthday Mr. Baggins!

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new magic the gathering lord of the rings content ?????????//

[granite whale]

aw hell, are they gonna do another set actually? or what

[wanton hazel]

probably, tbh, LotR seems to have been very successful for them

[leaden tide]

That mark on the door...could this be from the Hobbit?

[wanton hazel]

I'm guessing the set will be further out, like late 2026/early 27?

[granite whale]

I was gonna ask if it's like a The Hobbit set in that case? I don't know much about LotR. Only watched the movies. But the set felt pretty comprehensive in presenting characters and the story that takes place, no?

[wanton hazel]

possibly

[gloomy pagoda]

Calling it now, one set for "The Hobbit: There", another for "The Hobbit: And Back Again", followed by a bajillion Secret Lairs for The Silmarillion, the Appendices, and the Letters.

[wanton hazel]

I wonder if they would have access to Silmarillion++ content, or if the rights are limited to LOTR and The Hobbit like they are in film

(it'll also be interesting, we're only really a decade or two away from most of that being public domain)

[gloomy pagoda]

LotR and The Hobbit are specifically split up weirdly because that's how they were licensed, TCGs are new enough that I wouldn't be surprised if they licensed the rights as a block

[leaden tide]

Yeah and to add a double complication, Wizards specifically went with the option of licensing the books instead of the movies.

I wouldn't be surprised if having the option for expanding the scope beyond LotR is the reason.

[wanton hazel]

that's interesting but makes sense, I know the artistic depiction of many of the cards are quite different than the movies

[leaden tide]

So the Soul Stone seems to be going for about $80 right now.

Gonna be interesting to see what happens over the next couple weeks, it might have already hit its low price.

[surreal stag]

Secret Lair

THIS IS THE BEST DAY OF MY LIFE

[lucid jewel]

What's this from

[surreal stag]

||Playdoh Secret Lair||

idk how to handle things that arnt officially out but also they can be found online with like 30 seconds of effort

[leaden tide]

The Playdough secret lair has been officially spoiled, so it's fair game imo.

Basically, if it's on Scryfall, that means it wasn't leaked.

And lo, the rest of the secret lair is there
https://scryfall.com/sets/sld

[granite whale]

I have like 3 commander sessions planned this week. Excited af

[surreal stag]

lets go!!

what are you playing?

[granite whale]

I'm still mostly playing Golbez and Emet I built when the FF set released. Having a lot of fun with those! Don't play U/B often. Otherwise I finally finished a build with Hamza that feels playable in testing! Edge of Eternities came in with some really clutch cards 🙂

This is the Hamza deck. Very straightforward deck and cards. I the others I mentioned require a bit more 🧠 and sequencing to get right so I wanted something where I can just play my stuff and hope for the best haha
https://archidekt.com/decks/16186249/hamza_midrange

[surreal stag]

https://moxfield.com/decks/JWTxb5f2bkOtmlCPBI1gNQ

This has been my pet deck since i started playing. i jsut love it so much

[granite whale]

I have not played against a ygra deck yet, but from what I hear it's a menace and a half 😂

[surreal stag]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-chappelle-snl-hate-to-gif-19605814

[surreal stag]

yo what is this etali proc hahaha

7 land to exile for a pants lava lol

[wanton hazel]

oh yeah it's magic arena update day

I think I'm probably passing, I went to one prerelease and didn't have the best experience

it might be different art but they're basically the same cards

[lucid jewel]

thats cool

[surreal stag]

My Dino Pokemon deck won tonight!

[granite whale]

Hell yeah! Any stand out cards that surprised you?

[tribal rapids]

Opened this is sealed so naturally had to do the thing. 2-1 and only lost one game to my mana base!

[lucid jewel]

thats kinda crazy

wubrg in sealed is so nuts in my head

i would have totally done the same thing

[wanton hazel]

I got three fetch lands, two dual lands, and a mana fixing land in my prerelease kit, I might have considered it if I had also gotten this

[lucid jewel]

Oof

Thats some good fixing

[leaden tide]

The bonus sheet for the Avatar set has one reprint for every episode. So, AtlA 1-20 || the reprint for this episode sure as hell better be Blood Moon.||

[wanton hazel]

indeed, but it was counter-balanced by getting some absolutely awful cards tbh

[tribal rapids]

It was basically a lot of draw and discard, along with 3 subway trains. It would have been better with just r/b villan, but way less fun

[wanton hazel]

I lost every game the first two rounds, and only technically "won" the third round because my opponent wanted to leave early

(early meaning 10PM but still)

[surreal stag]

Aurorus (Apex Altisaur) was really fun to just stomp 3 things off the board before combat, Venasaur (Regal Behemoth) is 100% my most valued card. Just doubling my mana on lands saved my life

[granite whale]

You know for some reason my brain always glossed over the "up to one" part of Apex Altisaur. I always figured it killed itself of, but yeah that sounds really nice! Beyond the mana doubling it's really nice to have a source for Monarch. and I imagine dinosaurs are a good creature type for defending your crown too x)

[surreal stag]

yea for sure, uin hindsight i should have kept the Apex alive but i wiped away all three other commanders

and then swung with 5-6 other dinosaurs i got out the previous turn

[lucid jewel]

This is probably real right? Its the packaging for commander decks for the 1st set from next year lorwyn

[wanton hazel]

probably

wouldn't say definitely but it's at least plausible and I don't think anyone called out obvious problems with it

[granite whale]

Elementals you say... I have been thinking about the 3-color omnath. Maybe this will do

[wanton hazel]

I'm sad that Final Fantasy product is still so expensive, I think all my local store has is Bundles for $120 which comes out to like $14 a pack, which seems to be market price since I really can't do better anywhere online

(I guess if they sold them at a reasonable price they'd all be gone by now, my first bundle was $70 from a more principled store)

[leaden tide]

LGS's margins on sealed product tend to be really small too, I'm not surprised a lot of places are taking the opportunity with FF to try and turn a larger profit.

[gloomy pagoda]

Huh, I guess the prices are lower in Canada, my LGS (which is sold out) was apparently selling play boosters at $13 CAD each

[wanton hazel]

that seems to be the thing, you can sell at or near MSRP and sell out immediately, or you can sell at "market price" and keep inventory for a little longer

seems to be a no-brainer for a business to use market price, if you don't, someone else will just flip it and make the money