Clair Obscur: Expedition 33

[main olive]

I'm gonna look at the soundtrack

[halcyon elbow]

Alicia

[main olive]

No, it's not that one

and I can't seem to remember which moment it played at but I'll find it

[halcyon elbow]

(To be honest with you I am not sure what you mean by "the" track because there is so much good music in this game)

[main olive]

Act 2 ||THE track I consider to be Renoir's fight near the peak of the monolith||

[halcyon elbow]

Ah

||Un Vie a T'aimer||

Do you mean just the main Lumiere track?

[main olive]

Wait where did they find this composer

SOUNDCLOUD?

[halcyon elbow]

Not quite

That's the shorthand

He posted a cover of Austin Wintory's Journey on a random French gamedev forum he'd never been on before, and then the game director also happened to go to that forum that he had also never been on before

They had a deal worked out within hours

(Also worth noting that Alice Duport-Percier had significant compositional input on every piece of music she sings in)

Testard was really active on Soundcloud though, that's true

Just happens to not be specifically where he was found

According to the game director, just about every member of the team has a similar story

His co-writer was some kind of corporate stock broker or something

[main olive]

The fact this game even came out is astonishing and that it's so good in night every aspect of it is insane

Writing, on point
Art, on point
Music? Holy hell

[halcyon elbow]

Guillaume Broche (the game director) really doesn't love the "THIS IS HOW GAMES SHOULD BE MADE" discourse popping up around Expedition 33 because, in his words, it was a lot of luck and he's pretty sure he wouldn't be able to make it happen a second time the way he did

Also he really likes a lot of the games he's being used as a rhetorical weapon against

[main olive]

Yeah, It's a miracle this game exists but it's a lightning in a bottle, not every team has these strokes of luck to make this kinda product

[halcyon elbow]

Especially Final Fantasy. He jokes that he only cast Ben Starr because Ben Starr is a fellow Final Fantasy 8 Enjoyer

But he also likes 16 well enough that he put a Clive outfit for Ben's character in the game

(A legally distinct Clive outfit, no less. Full homage, not anything official)

[main olive]

I have stayed away from FF16 because I want to play it one day for myself

I need a better gpu

mine old 1060 doesn't even reach minimum requirements

[analog tiger]

Lune?

[analog tiger]

Act 2 all ||look at the lyrics for that song later :^)||

[main olive]

||It's the plot of Act 3, on god, no cap, straight up||

||Holy hell||

[analog tiger]

lmao yep

Act 2 all ||I love the lyrics for that song||

[fallow geode]

Act 2 ||Chromatic Rammusser|| ||I'm sorry, how many times does Chromatic Rammusser get to attack in a row?||

[merry lance]

Answer ||Until you fill the break bar with counter attacks, IIRC||

[halcyon elbow]

Two more Blue Mage skills left

And then I think I put him away and maybe try to learn how Sciel works

[wild jackal]

Act 3 ||The Abyss||||He appears to be slightly faster on NG+ than on NG.||

[nova temple]

ugh

I guess you may have your turn tomorrow

[fallow geode]

Act 2 ||visage all|| ||uhh, what do you mean "that was Verso" Verso?||

Act 2 ||post visages|| ||bond deepens indeed ||

[fallow geode]

When does the movie begin?

Act 2 ||Sirene|| ||love a lotus eater||

[halcyon elbow]

You're not close

You will not be surprised by Kojima time

[fallow geode]

Act 2 gen ||I don't understand why Maelle keeps getting first turn, when Verso literally has First Strike equipped||

[reef iron]

what are their speed stats?

[halcyon elbow]

First Strike should trump speed, right?

[nova temple]

It should

Maybe she has it too and you forgot?

[fallow geode]

||Verso: 947, Maelle: 828||
so even if it didn't, speed wouldn't affect it

the only thing I can think of is if "Augmented First Strike"'s text is wrong

The text

but even then, it's not consistent. Sometimes she plays first, sometimes he does

oh FFS https://steamcommunity.com/app/1903340/discussions/0/592895604607211349/

[nova temple]

Huh

[main olive]

Act 3 skills
||I just used Stendhal for the first time and it did 200K damage||

||What is this sorcery||

what

[halcyon elbow]

Yeah man

It gets crazy

I'm kicking in some ten digits, and I've seen more

[main olive]

Now this unlocks a new strat

Gorilla Maelle

||Just feed her all the buffs and nuke things||

[halcyon elbow]

That do be the community's favorite strat

[nova temple]

Indeed

[main olive]

Act 3 ||I went back to fight Chromatic Clair Obscur expedition 33 themselves and Stendhaled their ass to death, I struggled for like an hour to set the thing with Virtuous Stance and Sciel's double damage buff and some other stuff and it nuked the thing down to a smudge of HP on one hit||

[halcyon elbow]

These [Act 3] ||Flying Manor refights are extremely fun. I just spent about three hours getting my ass kicked by Dualliste (who I facerolled the first time) and it is about as much fun as I've had in this game||

||I generate enough Gradient that I was using Maelle's tier 1 gradient every turn to get her into Virtuose stance so she could Stendahl every time she was up for about 1.5mil/turn||

[nova temple]

||I liked the Flying Manor a lot, one of my favorite endgame dungeons||

[halcyon elbow]

I am also finding that that infinite merchant grind seems mildly unneccessary. I have 200+ lumina and my core team is in the mid-80s and I'm not done with what there is to do before I'd have to hit that to go to level cap

[nova temple]

I ran out of stuff on my high 80s and did find the grind to be necessary for that 99

[main olive]

I found that funny enemy that attacks like 20 times per turn

[halcyon elbow]

Which one lmao

[main olive]

||the creature||

[nova temple]

Oh, heh

[main olive]

"You learned how to parry yet? you will."

[halcyon elbow]

156 times

I believe is the number

Act 3 ||I just Gommaged it||

||The first one||

[nova temple]

Sacrilege

[main olive]

Act 3 ||Is Gommage this game's version of FFX's Zanmato insta kill?||

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy-x-yojimbo-zanmato-ffx-final-fantasy-gif-7974430810614296068

[halcyon elbow]

Act 3 ||The one in the Flying Manor has way more HP and I believe bounces more times before it hits its exhaustion||

[halcyon elbow]

||Strangely, it isn't even the highest damage Gradient move, though it is Void damage (and therefore not resisted by most enemies)||

https://x.com/breebunn/status/1925770590813634983

breebunn (@breebunn)

my partner is stubbornly doing a parry-only, no-dodges first playthrough of clair obscur: expedition 33 and

??????????????? can someone explain this in brainrot terms

X · May 23, 2025, 4:27 AM

[boreal galleon]

Act 1 Ending || I am not okay||

[shell minnow]

Pat pat pat

[exotic ember]

Pre-orders are up for the monolith set: https://www.expedition33.com/monolith-set

Heads up, shipping to the US was $51, so it was $170 after shipping. Ymmv based on location

Also a friend I got into the game has since gotten some coworkers and friends into the game

[nova temple]

skeptics will say it's fake

[boreal galleon]

Act 2 ||I think the Volleyball Minigame is genuinely one of the most unfun, worst minigames I've ever played. It is so insanely awkward I am shocked they kept it in and playable like this||

[halcyon elbow]

We continue

[nova temple]

A frigid take

[halcyon elbow]

The game director says people complaining on reddit about "awful" minigames "gives him life"

[nova temple]

I think a certain measure of jank is intended

[halcyon elbow]

(I did have to turn my frame rate down for that by the way)

Bizarre that it affects that one minigame and apparently not much else

[boreal galleon]

That's kind of bizarre he is proud of this? I feel like he is conflating the complaints as 'this is a hard, challenging minigame' versus 'this is fundamentally flawed and poorly designed'. Or this is a reference to the old RPGs minigames that were awful back in the day.

[fallow geode]

I found parrying easier once I turned my frame rate up

(and/or made it more consistent)

[boreal galleon]

It is so weird how Act 2 Beginning ||When you run up against the edge of the raft, it turns your character away instead of keeping them forward. Like... Why lol||

[halcyon elbow]

Oh no

I don't think he's particularly proud of it

I think he thinks people complaining about dumb minigames is funny

The minigames are more clair than they are obscur

[boreal galleon]

Yeah that's probably the better word.

[main olive]

if I completed the chocobo race in FFX I can complete this

I will get back to the volleyball

I have finished the other minigames

(I've only found the getting over it and the time race)

[boreal galleon]

Yeah I liked the getting over it one

[fallow geode]

Act 2 ||Sirene|| ||Is the Lootbug on the intended path forward?||

||First time I've felt the lack of a in dungeon (mini)map||

[halcyon elbow]

||Yesn't. You should see it, but not follow the path behind it||

[fallow geode]

||I'm just using it as a reference point for this question||

I may need to do a lot of backtracking for 100%

||Lootbug -> Lost Boy / Manor Door room is the intended path, right?||

[main olive]

I got so lost on that place too

[halcyon elbow]

I'd have to check, but I do not think so

[fallow geode]

I'm not lost, strictly speaking, I just want to know where not to go so I can see all the side corridors

[halcyon elbow]

Oh you will know when you are at the boss there

[fallow geode]

Just like Himmel would want

[merry lance]

IIRC throughout the game as a whole, there are generally lamps marking the True Path

[halcyon elbow]

https://x.com/richkeeble/status/1926021024476287429

Rich Keeble | Monoco in Expedition 33 (@RichKeeble)

Monoco 🤝 Monoco

X · May 23, 2025, 9:02 PM

[fallow geode]

yah, but that rule of thumb isn't serving me so well here

[merry lance]

Personally, I abstracted things up a layer once I knew about that signposting, and generally found when approaching a crossroad, if I stop and think about which path looks most obvious from the intended approach, I can figure out the wrong path. That being said, I do remember that map having a massive loop, and a section I didn't explore until cleanup.

[obtuse pond]

I think he did specifically say something along the lines “Yeah I really liked the jank minigames that barely worked in Final Fantasy that pissed people off, I wanted to make my own rage inducing mini-game.”

[halcyon elbow]

So I looked up what "petank" means

I wondered if it was "petit tank", as in a small bag of HP

I was wrong

Petank is French cornhole

[fallow geode]

What is that in British?

[nova temple]

Oh yeah, I saw it's some kind of French game

[halcyon elbow]

Cornhole is a game about throwing a bag of corn at a hole in a board not very far away

Common game at like house parties, especially in less urban areas in the US

I kind of imagine the French would cringe at me calling it "French cornhole" but that probably means I'm right

[exotic ember]

Am I the only one who thought the volleyball mini game wasn’t even that bad?

[fallow geode]

that stuff from last night about First Strike is really turning into Bank Error In My Favour

Act 2 ||Sirene|| ||Maelle starting in Virtuous just shreds the dancers with her Free Shot, and she gets enough AP back from Kills and Marks to shoot everything in a single turn||

[halcyon elbow]

Act 2 ||There is a whole Verso/Gustave build for this||

With the Dualiso

Spend out on shooting, normal attack for a second turn, repeat

[nova temple]

It's what I did for half the game

[fallow geode]

how AP do you have on that second turn?

*how much

[nova temple]

In my build, max

[fallow geode]

wait
so you shoot all your AP to zero
then base attack and get back 9?

[halcyon elbow]

Not as hard as you think with the right Luminas

[fallow geode]

I was figuring like, 4, max

[halcyon elbow]

Luminae?

Luminopodes

[analog tiger]

isn't petanque bocha?

or whatever that's called in english?

the old person game where you want to roll a ball the closest to a point

like curling but with balls

[fallow geode]

Boules?

[scarlet trout]

Bocci

[fallow geode]

Pétanque is a sport that falls into the category of boules sports.
Thanks wikipedia

(bocce is also one of them)

[analog tiger]

huh tyty

I had never heard those terms lmao

what's the neopets version called? I think that's the only time I've seen that game in english

[nova temple]

Luminas

[analog tiger]

o I've seen 'lawn bowling' too

[main olive]

I know more or less what Petank means because there's a category of anime girl design called Pettanko (usually short women with no overt body proportions)
think Tatsumaki from one punch

https://tenor.com/view/opm-lost-child-gif-13154420

[halcyon elbow]

Act 3 ||Flying Manor|| ||Well this Clea thing was suddenly very heavy||

[main olive]

I've been doing side content since act 3 started

not gone to the story quest

[fallow geode]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-this-is-the-way-mandalorian-star-wars-gif-18467370

[main olive]

I've found so many fun places! most of them say DANGER on the entrance!

[halcyon elbow]

Act 3 general ||Much of what is in act 3 would be main story in most other games, but it is just optional main story here||

[fallow geode]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[halcyon elbow]

||This is also like the seventh time I've thought to myself "man they never really did go back and explain x", only for them to then go back and explain x very soon||

[main olive]

I may need some guidance because I want to experience the story bits

[halcyon elbow]

||Go to camp, first||

[main olive]

I have been to the camp

I went to the huge tower too

Act 3 ||Maman's there, or at least a vestige of her, she told me to have fun and fight people||

[halcyon elbow]

Act 3 ||Have you done their sidequests then? You should have one for each of the non-Verso characters||

[main olive]

Act 3 ||I went and did the Esquie one, I need to go and do some of the others, I have to go to a floating island for another Axon I think and look for Lune's parents expedition||

[halcyon elbow]

Act 3 ||Go to the tower||

||The dungeon Flying Manor is also "main quest"||

[nova temple]

I wouldn't have called it that

[halcyon elbow]

Felt surprisingly load bearing

Especially given nothing has pointed me at it

[nova temple]

Well, except for the huge map marker

[fallow geode]

Ok, it took some backtracking but (Act 2) ||time to beat Sirene||

[nova temple]

Kon, have you done Reacher yet?

[fallow geode]

||Kojima time is well after, right?||

[wild jackal]

Yes

[halcyon elbow]

Maybe?

I get the impression I'd probably know

I know it is on my map by that name

[nova temple]

Act 3 ||Maelle's side quest ?||

[halcyon elbow]

Oh yeah

[nova temple]

In that case, ||Reacher & Flying Manor full|| || Verso just can't catch a break, losing both of his sisters, like... back to back||

[halcyon elbow]

||Mhmm. That's part of why it feels so vital to me. Also explains why there are so many Nevrons and where they've all been coming from||

[nova temple]

||Oh yeah, it's definitely got stuff to it. But no one sends you there, which is why I don't consider it main story stuff||

[fallow geode]

Act 2 ||Sirene all|| ||Lune what did you just do to her? Did you blow up? Did she?||

Act 2 ||Post Sirene & Visages|| ||None of these seem like good options||

[nova temple]

The thing is, delivery can change the meaning of either

[fallow geode]

||specifically, based my understanding of her relationship with her parents, I assumed neither would be fine, regardless of delivery||

[nova temple]

||I read the first one as a flat "how fun" ||

[fallow geode]

Act 2 ||Gestral Time Trial|| ||37.367 🥳 ||

[nova temple]

OP

[fallow geode]

first time too

||I forgot to look at my rewards ||

||o h n o||

Act 2 Overworld ||Aww, they're just enjoying the view||

[main olive]

It's a date

[fallow geode]

Act 2 ||Inside the Monolith|| ||"Teaching her Children to paint" Aah FFS. It was right there when Verso said his parents were artists||

||I'm still 60% on Maelle being the Paintress incarnated though. P=M is a new theory for me||

||Uh, P=Mum, not P=Maelle||

[nova temple]

Hmm?

[fallow geode]

||Second apperance of the Paintress(?) inside the monolith||

[nova temple]

||Oh, right, the vision/memory stuff||

[halcyon elbow]

Act 3 ||Endless Tower|| ||So how exactly endless is this tower? I'm on... 10.2? And I finally feel sufficiently stat checked to go do something else but I kind of wonder if 10.3 is the last one or if they go a lot further than that||

[wild jackal]

||11-3 is the last floor ||

[halcyon elbow]

Oh that does make sense lmao

[obtuse pond]

Act 3 ||Axons in general|| ||I kinda wanna do a deep dive into the Axons and what it says about Renoir and his family that he portrays them this way.||
||Like… they feel somehow both unflattering and flattering at the same time, and it’s done in a way where I feel like it makes it clear that Renoir deeply loves them all.||

[nova temple]

Maybe... finish the game first

[nova temple]

||The Axons are low-key fascinating in a way I don't see a lot of people clock, and I want video essays on the subject!||

[main olive]

I can smell the video essays on this game

they're cooking

[nova temple]

Not a ton that I've seen

Certainly not non-existent

But not enough

[main olive]

We need to do more

[nova temple]

I did consider pitching a Splintercast...

[halcyon elbow]

You have enough staff for one at this point don't you?

[nova temple]

I think just about

[halcyon elbow]

Especially if @shell minnow ever finishes the game

[analog tiger]

I mean

I hope there aren't video essays of this game yet

it's been out for not even a full month

there needs to be time for a full essay

a proper essay takes months if not years of familiarity

[shell minnow]

Brain bad lately :/

[halcyon elbow]

Understandable

[shell minnow]

Also there's a weird thing my head does where it goes "everyone is faster at playing than you and you're the furthest behind, there's no reason to play anymore"

[analog tiger]

been there done that with a few games

especially when trying to do game clubs with my friends lmao

[nova temple]

Brain bad, indeed

[halcyon elbow]

The reason, if you need one, is to be on the now Argent-confirmed Splintercast

[fallow geode]

where are you up to Feather?

you might be lucky and I'm still behind you

I Stalked searched you. Yeah I'm still behind you. You're not the last!

[merry lance]

TBH, I'm kinda surprised Jebus isn't all over this game. Though he is British, maybe that's why...

[fallow geode]

what does that say about me? 😔

[shell minnow]

I was doing Act 3 ||Frozen Hearts||

[fallow geode]

(seeing as I'm also british)

[nova temple]

Very disappointed that the rest of the Staff isn't picking up the current official Staff game

[merry lance]

It's okay, a large number of Brits have French ancestry, you're just listening to your noble roots

[halcyon elbow]

Don't past tense it!

[reef iron]

ohhhh talking as if you weren't convinced because you felt the hype train leaving the station in front of you!!

[nova temple]

Oh, I knew I was going to play it

I just got bullied into playing it sooner than planned!

[main olive]

||I got into Frozen Hearts and have been doing the first two enemies on a loop endlessly to get pictos into my characters and some levels||

[fallow geode]

If it's what I think it is, I tried ||Frozen Hearts|| ASAP in Act 2
and then I left because screw that noise

[halcyon elbow]

Yeah there's no real incentive to try and get ahead of the power curve in this game

[fallow geode]

I have successfully done some DANGER dungeons
not that one though

[shell minnow]

Act 3 ||Frozen Hearts|| ||The AUDACITY to try to call this outfit "Pelerin" like that isn't Clive Rosfield standing right in front of me, like shut upppppp ||

[halcyon elbow]

I have the final foot

[main olive]

I still need a bunch more

Not as many since [he] has been a permanent fixture on my teams

[nova temple]

I ran around in this for a while

[halcyon elbow]

Did as you recommended

Credits

I am not easily given to tears but Sandfall earned them

[exotic ember]

So I popped on tonight to do some act 3 stuff. One thing led to another and I went down to the || Simon || fight.

|| Still around level 60 so I just skipped past everything in Renoir’s Drafts so I could check out the fight. Got to phase 2 a few times, but haven’t yet gotten a parry on a full attack sequence in phase 2 yet. I’ll get there though. Does it make sense for me to do this basically without having yet done all of the other act 3 content? Nope. But alas. Will resume the fight when I’m next on and see what kind of damage I do against phase 2 to see if I feel justified in trying to tackle it or come back to it later ||

[nova temple]

^ ||I feel like it's way too early. Theoretically it's doable, I suppose, but P2 has like 5x the P1 health. The attacks are also trickier, so the room for error is much larger. I couldn't learn it well enough after like 5 hours and looked up a cheese guide (though I did see no-cheese no-parry/dodge video today). If you can do it, props to you, but I just ended up getting frustrated 😅||

[exotic ember]

^ || That’s very fair! That is more or less what I suspected would be the case. May still try it out for a while just to see how it goes but I imagine I’ll end up bouncing off at some point and going back to level appropriate fights ||

[halcyon elbow]

Alright, having spent some time digesting, some thoughts on the full game:
||I am more convinced than ever that Clair Obscur should be an anthology series. You could do a direct sequel to this, I think (Clea vs The Writers or another canvas or something) but I think the advantages of doing a sequel are tempered heavily by having to skirt around respecting both endings, and the fact that the canvas really is the game world, not the outside world||
||I am a little bummed that the Expeditioners ended up feeling a little secondary to the Dessendre family drama. Probably my biggest criticism of the game's story. Taking what we are told about the endings at face value, neither ending works out well for the Expeditioners (Verso ending obviously the canvas is destroyed, but taking it as more-or-less textual that Maelle intends to die here her ending also almost certainly results in the canvas' eventual destruction). I get that that is part of the tragedy of the whole thing, but it didn't feel like it was an angle that really got examined as much as it should have. I also think that just narratively Lune and Sciel started feeling sidelined by the act 3 plot. It is almost weird that Maelle chose to bring those two specifically back when she could potentially have brought at least Gustave back||
The game is extremely fun to play. I'm finding the challenge content late in the game extremely fun, and I think it is mostly pitched in such a way as the "OMG ASSET REUSE" crowd that often comes for games like say Elden Ring would seem kind of dumb for trying to levy that criticism here. Many of the challenge versions of existing enemies have altered animations, extended animations, or even outright new ones that make them feel very fresh relative to what came before. Very clever way to make the most of their limited resources and boy did they run with it. I've heard Guillaume Broche say he's been working on the combat longer than any other part of the project, and it really shows. Brilliant system
||If they go the anthology route, I think the things that are core to the identity of this game but not the plot and could be reinterpreted and repurposed in future games are as follows: gestrals, Esquie, Lumiere itself (as sort of an Ivalice, I can see "what happened to fantasy Paris/the Eiffel Tower this time" becoming a pitch thing for them, this also lets them keep the Lumiere track), the/a Manor (they work out of a building they call The Manor in Montpelier, which inspired the in-game manor), Lorien Testard and Alice Duport-Percier, some of the sillier enemies to especially include the Petank as a sort of loot goblin, and the general impressionist and surrealist inspired look. Maybe even the idea of Axons as these big superenemies with particular narrative significance||

[nova temple]

||I think, on the subject of Maelle bringing only Lune and Sciel back, my impression was that she could bring those - and not Gustave - back because their chroma was right there, and pretty fresh.||

[halcyon elbow]

Act 3 ||That is a reasonable inference, but I kind of feel like it needed to be said if that is the case||

[nova temple]

^ ||Maybe. There was a moment in one of the cinematics/cutscenes - I think when she and Verso escape from Renoir - where she grabs a hold of some chroma, has a reaction, and almost pockets it, which all always felt like a clear telegraphing that she is recognizing whose chroma that is, and is planning to use it to bring those people back. Also, later there is a comment about how the chroma in all the old expeditions is, well, old and Maelle can't do much with that, especially with her powers being this new to her. For myself, I think there's enough subtext to be knocking on the door of being text||

[main olive]

My mom asked me if I was listening to an Opera and I showed her the soundtrack

She really liked it

Approved

[dawn spindle]

I did show the trailer to my dad and he loved the music too. He also seemed to kind of want to play but told me "I probably don't have the skill" to which I told him it's a matter of practice. (He has played only RTS his whole life on pc so anything that requires using a controller is pretty hard for him, though that's also still a matter of practice anyhow)

[main olive]

Story difficulty is there too, the skill required for that should be about enough to make it playable

[dawn spindle]

Yeah... I mean I've seen try to play party children games with me and my brother and uh... yeah I do think it'd be difficult for him, but not terribly the game does scale in complexity rather slowly

and it is turn based even if it has the QTE

Either way I have my whole steam library shared with him so if he ever wanted to it's right there

[halcyon elbow]

You can turn on autosucceed for the QTE

[dawn spindle]

huh, I will let him know that

I honestly thing it'd be good for him to get at least dodges though

[halcyon elbow]

That's the one thing you can't turn off

And the windows are much wider on Story

[analog tiger]

Full game ||I agree with the Dessendre vs Expeditioners focus thing, and I think I'd like the series more as an anthology (though I'd be fine with a direct sequel if it didn't focus on the Dessendre, especially if it was from a Writer's pov for reasons that I think are obvious lmao). But the gestrals, the axons, manor, Lumiere and silly enemies I disagree heavily because like - those are Verso things (or well, Dessendre in general in the case of the axons lmao). Even the surrealism tbh. "In black, his sad eyes/Through gold, his laughter endures/In every colour a part of him"||

[halcyon elbow]

||I don't think it has to be the same Manor, or the same Axons, I think they can all be widely reinterpreted or dropped and then picked up again later||

[nova temple]

Unrelated, full game ||Does anyone feel like they have a good grasp on how how the Fading Boy, Fading Woman, etc. fit within the lore of the world? Obviously we see the Fading Boy at the end, and it is literally the piece of Verso's soul that he put into his painting. Are the other Fading Boys we see... the same? Other pieces of his soul? Some other echoes of him? And even if soul can explain the Fading Boy, and maybe the Fading Woman / Clea (because she often played with with Verso in this Canvas), there's still the Fading Man / Renoir and Fading Woman / Aline. I feel like I can put together some wishy-washy "these are echoes of the painters" thing, but so much of this game has such good, solid explanations, I feel like there should be more here||

[reef iron]

i thought they were yeah

[nova temple]

They were...?

[reef iron]

all ||the fading boys are the same||

[halcyon elbow]

Act 3 ||The Fading Boys in Falling Leaves and in the Workshop do not make sense if they are not Verso||

[nova temple]

all ||No, I mean, I agree that they are all Verso. I was wondering if all of them are the same entity that travels/manifests around, or are they all separate... echoes, impressions of Verso. The one we saw at the very end wasn't very chatty, for example, unlike the rest||

[halcyon elbow]

||Ah, okay, yeah I definitely get the vibe they are their own specific echoes||

[reef iron]

all ||my vibe was branches of the same tree, not touching, not connected except at the... root,base, whatever||

[dawn spindle]

playing as slowly as I am is really making the lack of map truly obnoxious for me 😔

with the little amount of time I had to play I've managed to go around this area 4 times to find the exit and now I must go back to work lovely 10/10

[nova temple]

Which area?

[dawn spindle]

||gestralt village|| like I went back in for whatever reason last time i played (i can't remember)

Lol

[nova temple]

oh yeah, that place is a maze

[dawn spindle]

||I did find the entrance, but I seem to recall being told there was a backdoor that had been opened for me... I ended up leaving through the entrance lol||

OH first bug!

not bad

[nova temple]

^ || There is no backdoor. When you finish there you open a shortcut in the overworld so that you don't have to go through the Ancient Sanctuary every time. But the Village itself has only one entrance/exit||

[dawn spindle]

aaah

Misremembering then

Or well, I know they told me that, I misremember going out

Damn i was typing that and a cynematic had started

[halcyon elbow]

It isn't super clear. I wouldn't have known what was going on if I hadn't found the back door on the overworld prior to doing the dungeon

[nova temple]

I think I remember being confused for a minute too

[dawn spindle]

Oh I had found that, I just didn't thikn that's what they meant. + 1 week break between playing...

[halcyon elbow]

You do have an overworld map

[nova temple]

I recomend not taking a weeklong break, and instead allowing this game to consume your entire life

[dawn spindle]

I am aware, but that's not going to help if i misinterpret what I've been told

Ah, Argent, thanks for the amazing advice I sadly cannot

a week long break wasn't quite intentional though

side not i just failed every QTE attack and got every parry right

what

[nova temple]

skill...? issue?

[dawn spindle]

truly

[nova temple]

full game ||I've been enjoying Kala Elizabeth's videos on the game, if anyone is craving Content https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLaKc7thzmTjbnFceeftf8soLDsY-d1wQ7 ||

[dawn spindle]

also I believe that they've fixed up this because before in the overworld map I'd constantly be unable to run, every little bump would stop my running and now it's going smoothly

[nova temple]

's possible

I think they've had a patch or two since launch

[dawn spindle]

yeah they have though I think i had played those, well all the better

[exotic ember]

Same tags || I think they could definitely go this route, but it could also be really interesting to see a follow up centered heavily around the writers, potentially with a third game focused centrally around the writers’ and painters’ conflict.

Honestly there’s a lot they could do potentially. I think they have a world that is rich with possibilities. A game that has you bouncing in and out of different canvases could be really interesting too possibly.

I really want to know more about the writers though. The game I think does a great job at giving so much and telling its story while also leaving you absolutely ravenous for me. ||

[obtuse pond]

Full game ||I’m guessing that if this does turn into a franchise it always remains focused on the painter side of things since “Clair Obscur” is an art term.||

[merry lance]

Full game ||I think the clear route for spin-offs is a Super Mario 64 crossover, where a Descendre cousin goes to Italy to assassinate King Bowser and liberate the mighty Paintress, Princess Peach||

[fallow geode]

Outfits ||So half of the hair styles are just "steal her look", right? E.G. "Messy Bun" is Sciel's default||

[nova temple]

Some are, yeah

[fallow geode]

Act 2 ||Inside the Monolith|| ||Speaking of Bugs....||

[fallow geode]

Act 2 ||Expedition Log 70|| ||"Tomorrow is Here" but tomorrow didn't come for another 37 years ||

||Also, I find it interesting that these grapple points took "painstaking focus and skill", and yet Maelle was able to borrow some and just make a roof top parkour course||

[merry lance]

||I'd need to double check the logs, but at some point there was a huge breakthrough in Grapple technology. Also Maelle already had easy access to all of the rooftops.||

[fallow geode]

Act 2 ||Inside the Monolith|| ||It's Him. John Clair Obscur!||

||I'm not going to screenshot because I'm sure its been sent before||

[nova temple]

It's a right of passage

[fallow geode]

Act 2 ||Inside the Monolith|| ||Equipping the right drip gets me a +5%, right?||

it worked eventually 100% of the time

[nova temple]

correct

[main olive]

Sorry for the ping but where did you find that Maelle suit

[fallow geode]

DLC I think

[main olive]

8 dollars

Next month

[fallow geode]

Act 2 ||Inside the Monolith|| ||That looks like many cutscenes in sequence 👀 ||

alas it is 23:30

[main olive]

Silly, it's 19:30

[merry lance]

Ah, but have you considered: Tomorrow is Sunday

[fallow geode]

countrtattack: my sleep schedule is bad enough already and needs fixing

[main olive]

Same

[fallow geode]

also: tomorrow is Sunday, and therefore playable

ok but seriously, do I have time tonight to see what's in there?

[merry lance]

If you're trying to fix your sleep schedule, no

[fallow geode]

"fix my sleep schedule" still leaves me like 30 to an hour

just not 2 hours

[nova temple]

Soon

[merry lance]

Act 2 ||Inside the Monolith|| ||I want to poorly estimate the sequence around the corner there is at least an hourish||

Act 2 ||Inside the Monolith|| ||There are break points, but you won't want to break.||

[fallow geode]

Act 2 ||Inside the Monolith|| ||It's a question of "Can I log off between the boss fight that is surely coming, and the cutscenes"?||

[nova temple]

Mmm

[merry lance]

I vote save it for tomorrow

[nova temple]

Agreed

[fallow geode]

mmm ok

Act 2 ||Inside the Monolith|| ||I can't wait to waste all my playtime on the fight and have to log off anyway||

[nova temple]

Act 2 ||Inside the Monolith|| ||You have 2 fights left. You can break after the first one, but the second one rolls right into like 20-30 minutes of movies. Followed by a stopping point, following by another 20-30 minutes of movies||

[fallow geode]

okay I'll be a good boy and stop playing for the day

but thank you for the explanation Argent, this will help me plan my day

[nova temple]

Yeah, been there

late at night 😅

[fallow geode]

me playing the end of Death Stranding at 2AM 💀

[main olive]

Could be worse, could be me ranking in league at 4am

there's always a lower pit of hell

[fallow geode]

I was literally googling if the game was autosaving in the middle of the cutscenes

2 hours long 😭

[halcyon elbow]

The cutscenes alone are about an hour. The combat, of course, is skill dependent

[main olive]

It took me two days, like bare minimum 2-3 hours of trying

I just kept hitting that wall with my head because I was really underprepared for it

[halcyon elbow]

It wasn't the hardest fight in the game for me so far but it was up there. Definitely represents a spike in difficulty from the rest of the act

Hardest fight for me so far was probably [Act 3] ||Flying Manor|| ||Dualliste reprise||, strangely

||Had no issue with him the first time, killed him on the second or third pull||

[main olive]

Act 2 ||I killed Duallist first try surprisingly easy, I was even surprised how easy I beat that fight||

[halcyon elbow]

A Mass Effect enjoyer too

[analog tiger]

Full game ||I really want a game focused and from the POV of the Writers 🙏 ||

[analog tiger]

full game ||this is kind of why I don't really want a game about jumping between canvas, it'd feel too much like Mario 64 imo||

[merry lance]

||They made one of those, but set in the modern era/near future. It's called Split Fiction. (I haven't played Split Fiction yet)||

[nova temple]

||Yeah, I think there's a really fun universe where there's another game that's largely disconnected from this one - maybe we just hear about Aline and/or the Painters Council. And then maybe a third game that somehow weaves both. But part of this is my brain going "trilogy brrrr"||

[nova temple]

Heh, I mean, kind of 😅

[analog tiger]

Full game ||what would be really funny is if Expedition 33 is the series name and Clair Obscur the subtitle for this one and they have to keep justifying the name for other games in the series ||

[nova temple]

Veto

[merry lance]

Full game, but also a book series ||the book series is Inkheart|| ||While I think it'd be neat if The Writers had some entirely distinct power set, I also think it'd be neat if they had an Inkheart sort-of situation going on, and had a generally similar power set to the Painters, but from a different direction (and naturally they saw each other as heretical perversions of their powers because of it)||

[halcyon elbow]

||I assume there's a sort of power-of-artistic-creation thing going on here. There's also something of an implicit idea that Verso is doing the "wrong" art in choosing music, and it makes me wonder if there's a Bard's college Musician category here too||

[merry lance]

Full game ||Honestly, I kinda half-suspect the presumed Musicians are (at least seen as) relatively powerless, considering Sirene. I could 100% see Renoir implying that Aline changes the world with something that shouldn't be able to, amplifying it to its fullest, taking it beyond what it should be able to do||

[halcyon elbow]

Full game ||What makes you say that? Sirene is related to the most powerful of his kids||

The real dopamine hit of this game, even beyond a perfect parry chain, is watching the list of buffs cover the screen from all the Pictos getting proc'd

[nova temple]

It's too much!

[merry lance]

Full Game ||I'm probably not in the right frame of sobriety to get all the nuances I want across, so I'd prefer to take this up in the morning, but first off, Sirene (hopefully) isn't one of his kids, Sirene is his wife.||

||(assuming each person only gets one Axon)||

[nova temple]

The ADHD energy of this is incredible https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1igVxnGtWI

[halcyon elbow]

These two have guests on pretty regularly

I believe they've already had Sophie's VA on

[nova temple]

They mentioned they would have guests

I expect I'll enjoy this a lot

[halcyon elbow]

They've done one for Baldur's Gate as well

[nova temple]

Yeah, well, that I am not watching until the 2030s

I have to sink my own 200 hours into that game first

[nova temple]

https://www.youtube.com/@JacquesZeWhipper in the chat????

wild

[halcyon elbow]

So

The QTEs

Some skills don't fully go off if you miss them

Some skills have riders that do not get applied if you miss them

A precious few have negative consequences if you miss them (Lune blows herself up with Hell, for example)

If a skill does not have any of the above conditions (and sometimes even if it does), what you get is a flat 20% damage

As far as I can tell there aren't any real exceptions in that there aren't any skills that get more or less than the 20% buff (unless as mentioned the skill doesn't fully actuate, like Lune's Thunderfall)

[nova temple]

you and your numbers

I only speak low, medium, high, very high, and extreme

[halcyon elbow]

I deeply wish they were just numbers

Especially given they're occasionally wrong or misleading

Can't be subjectively "high" or "medium" when one ability does 7x base attack and another does 12x base attack

[nova temple]

Oh, I agree

I guess it's per hit

[halcyon elbow]

Mhmm

[nova temple]

So one extreme hit can be smaller than 3 very highs

[halcyon elbow]

I also wish it was clearer about what, if anything, is attached to QTE success, though if it is anything it is usually at the bottom of the text

[nova temple]

There's a few skills that fully fail if you miss the QTEs, but it doesn't say that anywhere

[halcyon elbow]

Lune's Hell does tell you that you'll blow yourself up if you fail, which is almost the sum total of acknowledgement of the QTEs in ability descriptors I can think of

[nova temple]

That's the kind of stuff that I dock like 0.1 - 0.2 from my rating

[halcyon elbow]

It says "self-damage" but I've never not seen it do way more damage than Lune can take

[nova temple]

I've never seen it do any damage at all 😎

[halcyon elbow]

It is spicy!

My Lune build involves rotating between Hell and Lightning Dance to make best use of Stains

[ionic kite]

For some reason, (Act 2) ||Verso's Perfection rating isn't going up, and idk why||

||I'm using Dualiso||

[halcyon elbow]

Hell also priming burn crits on Lightning Dance to make sure I get the most extra hits out of it

[ionic kite]

||It SHOULD be going up but it's not||

[nova temple]

You are gonna need at least an act label on that

[ionic kite]

I just put it there

I realized

[nova temple]

It's better to front but this works

[ionic kite]

Fair

[halcyon elbow]

What are you trying to do with him that it isn't working?

[ionic kite]

||I'm doing the Dualiso thing where I use all my AP on shots, basic attack, use all my AP on shots again, basic attack again||

[halcyon elbow]

Mhmm mhmm

(Also using this, it is very fun)

[ionic kite]

It did go up when I used a skill

But not when I'm doing the shots

And idk why cuz I swear it was doing it on the shots before

[halcyon elbow]

It should, yeah

Assuming they're landing of course

[ionic kite]

They are

Naturally lmao

[halcyon elbow]

How much it goes up is also reliant on how much damage gets done

[ionic kite]

It'd be embaressing if I missed that many shots

[ionic kite]

It doesn't seem to be going up, like, at all

Like it's not filling whatsoever

[halcyon elbow]

If the enemy gets healed off it or nullifies it won't fill

[ionic kite]

It's doing regular damage

[halcyon elbow]

Like, bad element matchup

[ionic kite]

It's a weakness in fact

I'll record it next chance I get

He's not in my active party, and I'm trying to beat a dude

[nova temple]

It should work 🤔

[ionic kite]

Got the recording

I'll post it soon

Once it uploads to the XBox network

Lemme try on a regular enemy actually

Maybe it was weird cuz it was a boss

It IS doing it on the regular enemies

Let's try it on another boss

[halcyon elbow]

I think it doesn't gain on shields either if that is a relevant axis

[ionic kite]

It's doing it on this boss too

So it was just that one boss

?????

[ionic kite]

It's not

It's almost uploaded

[halcyon elbow]

Huh

Yeah I don't know

[ionic kite]

Maybe a bug

Is there a place I can report bugs lmao

[halcyon elbow]

It might be just UI

It does look like your damage goes up during round 2

Yeah you're doing 190 base damage during the first round and then 297 base damage during the second

I think the gauge is just borked for whatever reason there

[ionic kite]

Strange

[halcyon elbow]

Oh you do have some riders in there throwing a wrench in that theory

[ionic kite]

Riders?

[halcyon elbow]

Gonna call it a big ol unclear

Empowering Attack etc

Pictos effects

[ionic kite]

Ah

Oh yeah

I made the enemy Defenseless

Which would have boosted the damage

Empowering Attack + Exposing Attack

So I was Powerful and he was Defenseless

[halcyon elbow]

Found it

Known bug

Was he reserve party?

[ionic kite]

Yes

[halcyon elbow]

There is a chance that when he is reserve party his gauge doesn't fill at all

[ionic kite]

I see

[halcyon elbow]

Doesn't happen every time, apparently

[steel acorn]

This game is amazing!

[fallow geode]

We continue

Act 2 ||Inside the Monolith Big Boss|| ||Uhh... Revive Target? please?||

||Maelle's just gone||

[nova temple]

||I find that sometimes visually I have no idea where my corpses are||

[fallow geode]

||Nah, this was Renoir casting Vanish||

[nova temple]

Hm

[fallow geode]

^ ||He Gommages a party member and you can't bring them back||

[halcyon elbow]

I do believe that is an Expert-only mechanic

[fallow geode]

ahh, that explains it

[reef iron]

no

act 2 ||he can vanish people on normal mode too, if you fail the dodge/parry||

[halcyon elbow]

Act 2 ||It is also a Gradient counter, not just a regular one, if you are parrying it||

[fallow geode]

TBC, I am not confused by what happened

[reef iron]

right right - i used to fail it a significant portion of the time

[fallow geode]

I am just sad and surprised ||because I didn't encounter it in the first Renoir fight||

[halcyon elbow]

It does also happen there

Rarer move

(I am pleasantly surprised by how many rarer moves in boss fights there are in this game, moves that they seem content to have some/many players miss simply because they never show up)

[nova temple]

Ah, I either countered that, or forgot about it 😅

I think I forgot about it, it feels very vaguely familiar

[halcyon elbow]

Similar to the ||Burgeon eating you|| move, only you don't get the player back with a stun

Act 3 all ||Simon also can do this, but only to downed characters. There's... some other boss I can't remember who will eat downed characters as well||

Several variations on PC removal

All mitigatable of course

[reef iron]

act 2 ||I had to redo the first Renoir fight so often, and I feel like I got a completely different fight each time I tried, his moves were so varied and in different combinations/frequency||

[fallow geode]

Act 2 ||Renoir|| ||I have discovered a hack. If you die to the first half of the attack, he can't Gommage you with the second ||

[halcyon elbow]

I did end up doing that sometimes too

[fallow geode]

||Maybe this is why I don't remember the attack, I never parried it the first time||

[halcyon elbow]

As it turns out: https://www.reddit.com/r/expedition33/comments/1k6rl99/weve_made_a_bug_report_form_hi/

[fallow geode]

I am very confused ||I successfully Gradient Countered the Giant Beast Tail attack, but Verso (not the primary target) still took damage and died||

oh well, doesn't matter now ||Gustave's Revenge|| goes hard

Ok so (act 2 big spoilers) ||Verso=Lost Boy. Mom=Curator. I can't remember if we met both a lost girl and a lost woman||

||but one of those is Alicia, and maybe the other is Maelle?||

||Maelle could be the instantiation of either mum, Alicia, or a third TBH. I can't remember if we saw 2 daughters or not||

[nova temple]

It's popcorn time, gang

[halcyon elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-funny-gif-24793899

[fallow geode]

||I thought Maelle was paintress, but now it's definitely that mum is paintress||

Act 2 ||monolith peak|| ||oh I'm a dumbdumb. Of course Dad=Curator||

||Maelle sure is confused about her face right now||

I'm going to stream my ass getting whooped

Act 2 ||Monolith Peak|| ||oh huh. She only gives off white flowers. I guess hat means it's Red for Renoir/Curator||

[fallow geode]

||TBC, I said this before the "Alicia, your face" line||

Act 2 ||Monolith Peak|| ||is this child abuse?||

[fallow geode]

Act 2 ||Monolith Peak|| ||I got to 10% on second phase ||

||on my first time there||

[nova temple]

so close

[fallow geode]

Giving up for the night 😦

[nova temple]

F

[halcyon elbow]

I also had to break here

[analog tiger]

Act 3 all ||Lune's companion quest boss, the big worm eats your downed party members and heals from it||

[fallow geode]

FFS

[analog tiger]

I wonder what glitches it uses

[fallow geode]

have at it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQsxoSCBxTc

[nova temple]

https://www.reddit.com/r/expedition33/comments/1kuyayk/giving_grosse_tete_a_taste_of_its_own_medicine/

[halcyon elbow]

I've seen several videos of people realizing they needed to sack the party so they could switch to the backup and get the foot

[nova temple]

Can't slack off on the feet

[main olive]

I have an act 3 question

Act 3 ||I haven't gone back to Lumier to fight Renoir yet, as I've been doing side content, if I go there does that like end the game or is there big story after that moment||

[reef iron]

act 3 answer ||fighting renoir in lumiere ends the game||

[nova temple]

Bonus ||But you can load/continue from your last save and continue exploring||

[main olive]

Thanks gang

I'll keep roaming around until I find something that can tank more than two Stendhals at full power

where do I find that one optional boss

y'know

Guts from Berserk

https://tenor.com/view/guts-berserk-american-psycho-gif-23191099

[halcyon elbow]

Act 3 ||End of Renoir's Drafts||

||Dungeon in the middle of the sea in front of the Monolith||

[merry lance]

Act 3 ||you'll need to unlock diving, if you haven't||

[halcyon elbow]

Act 3, but also sort of general gaming ||I do love that killing John Darksouls is becoming a common boss archetype in other games||

[main olive]

I've had my first game crash in 60 hours of game

Good track record considering this game seemingly pushes my cpu to 100% use

[nova temple]

I am shocked you can play it

[main olive]

Me too

It's completely playable, the framerate is sometimes better but overall I think it's pushing 50-55fps constantly

doesn't look pretty tho

[main olive]

Act 3 ||Reacher|| ||I just had one of the saddest yet at the same time funniest text popups in this game, I fought Alicia and the game said "Alicia Burns" as I won the match because she died from Burn damage stacks||

||I know game, I know.||

||Now I feel sad about finding that funny...||

[halcyon elbow]

Act 3 ||Alicia is also weak to fire where Maelle is not||

[nova temple]

Also

[nova temple]

Act 3 ||I am starting to watch people's LPs, in some part because I want to see how early game foreshadowing hits, and I had forgotten that we get a tiny glimpse of Verso when Gustave and Lune first get teleported in the Manor to find Maelle. I never really thought about who left the directions to Noco's hut for them, but it was obviously him||

Unrelated, Act 3 concept art ||Interesting that this seems to suggest that there may have been a version of the Sunless Cliffs where you fight dark versions of your party, instead of 1v1-ing the mime boss https://www.artstation.com/artwork/AZKNGq ||

[analog tiger]

Act 3 ending ||in the fight against Verso, Verso is weak to fire too||

[main olive]

Act 3 ||Sirene's Dress|| ||Lune's mom fought that thing for FOUR DAYS STRAIGHT?what kind of beast was that woman, holy hell that's some anime badassery type thing||

[nova temple]

||A badass like Lune doesn't come out of nowhere!||

[halcyon elbow]

Act 3 ||You can also hazily see someone, presumably Verso, pick up Maelle at the beach while Gustave is knocked on the ground||

[nova temple]

Neato!

I was trying to pay attention there, but there's a lot going on

Act 3 ||Interesting that v1 Renoir is called "mirror Renoir V1" https://www.artstation.com/artwork/OvzZvv ||

[halcyon elbow]

||I wonder if that is/was internal terminology for the Painted characters||

[nova temple]

||Yeah, maybe? Or an early idea, the Canvas is kind of a mirror universe||

[main olive]

Act 3 ||Sacred River|| ||Knowing Gestral culture this is probably very flirty and daring, like asking someone on a date.||

[halcyon elbow]

||I do love how, despite the faces being different, the vibe of this painting hasn't changed a bit||

[nova temple]

^ ||Oh yeah, the characters', er... characters, are spot-on||

[analog tiger]

full game all ||eh I think Renoir and Cleo Maelle have a different vibe in this image tbh, Renoir especially||

full game all ||both painted and OG||

[nova temple]

that's a way to start combat I guess

[main olive]

That's called being optimal

Act 3 ||Monoco friendship max|| ||These two are so gay it circles all the way back to being roommates.||
||Monoco is the little spoon||

[halcyon elbow]

I..... don't see anything preventing this from just being starting combat and having all three people just die lmao

[nova temple]

I think Survivor might be keeping the right one alive

the other two do die though

also, full game ||damn, Une vie à t'aimer really is just, like the plot of the game, huh||

[halcyon elbow]

Mmm yeah

I suppose at that point why not just run The One though

[nova temple]

cheaper?

[halcyon elbow]

The One costs 1

Survivor alone costs 10

[nova temple]

Maybe The One doesn't work with the Last Stands?

[halcyon elbow]

If it works the same way as the blight status effect it should

Should also work with the SOSes

[nova temple]

I don't know, man, I just work here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkjHa7Cz-Fs is a fun cover

[boreal galleon]

Act 2 ||Something I wish was more obvious is enemy level. It would be nice to see at a glance. I know it will say 'Danger' but like, is that a small amount of levels or endgame lol||

[halcyon elbow]

https://www.youtube.com/live/63z2gQIR3xk

Preach knows literally nothing

Prologue ||He's seeing the monolith for the first time and wondering if it is aliens||

He didn't know the game was turn based even

[fallow geode]

absolute streamer brain

[nova temple]

Absolute horror https://x.com/expedition33/status/1926929528573628719

Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 (@expedition33)

POV: you're a Nevron. I have three Gradient charges. I am in Virtuose stance. Sciel has just used Fortunes Fury.

X · May 26, 2025, 9:12 AM

[halcyon elbow]

Whoever is running their social media account is a total memelord

[nova temple]

I think that's the same person who posted https://www.reddit.com/r/expedition33/comments/1k6rl99/weve_made_a_bug_report_form_hi/ - Bee

yeah, probably https://www.reddit.com/r/expedition33/comments/1jiwhnb/comment/mjta53g/?context=3

[halcyon elbow]

His buddy set up a chat-gommage

Timed out everyone who'd been subbed for more than 33 months

[exotic ember]

That’s amazing

[shell minnow]

oh HYPE

Chris outdid himself with that overlay

[reef iron]

this is making my day

something to ease the stress/anticipation of dnd FINALLY this weekend

[shell minnow]

oh great emote:

[nova temple]

Oh, I bet someone will have done a 33 in the style of 💯

[halcyon elbow]

Probably also yellow, of course

[fallow geode]

Act 2 ||Monolith Peak|| ||THERE'S A THIRD PHASE??||

||this one is a lot more melancholy though. Opening with giving me shields is ||

||Paintress down 🥳 . We may never know what that 3rd phase was about||

[dawn spindle]

IM doing the Act 1 ||gestralt hidden arena and the last guy is kind of annoying||

[nova temple]

movie time

[halcyon elbow]

Break out the popcorn

[fallow geode]

And now the game truly begins

[halcyon elbow]

More right than you know

After about an hour of cinematics

[nova temple]

I mean, in a way. But in a way you can be done with it today 😅

[fallow geode]

I do wish they reset the health values for these cutscenes

[nova temple]

You done did a hard battle, you should look a little worse for wear

[dawn spindle]

I suck at parrying anything with more than one attack

This is really lame

But my fingers go into panic mode

whoops, that gave Maelle 2 entire levels

[fallow geode]

Act 2 ending ||oh storms, I guess the first thing Maelle has to paint is herself||

Getting called away to dinner just at that scene was the worst

[dawn spindle]

Act 1 ||Esquie's Nest time|| ||I was going to go back and keep visiting unexplored areas but I've decided to do this first||

[fallow geode]

Act 2 ||Epilogue|| ||Damn, which dungeon is this painting?||

||Or I guess it's an axon?||

[halcyon elbow]

||That is Old Lumiere||

[fallow geode]

Act 2 ||Epilogue|| ||Ok, so I figured we were in a painting. But I thought it was more of a metaphyisical representation of one woman's grief over losing her family. Not actual magical powers, and "just" the loss of Verso||

[nova temple]

I would probably label these as act 2 epilogue, to be on the safer side

[fallow geode]

Fair

Act 3 ||Do the Gestrals always come back to life because his parents would get new dogs when the old ones died?||

[nova temple]

Act 3 ||We don't know that, but I assumed it was the same child logic that made Esquie the most powerful being ever - a simple desire for good things to last forever||

[fallow geode]

I forgot my 🤔

[nova temple]

rude of you to leave us 🤔less

[fallow geode]

Act 3 Mechanics ||All three of Maelle's new skills look busted, I'm surprised to hear that Stendhal is the most meta||

[nova temple]

^ ||They are busted, but Stendhal is your boss-killer, for obvious reasons, and the biggest challenges in the game are bosses and volleyball||

||Also, I am now reading https://www.wikiwand.com/en/articles/Stendhal for 100% unrelated reasons||

[fallow geode]

wtf is wikiwand

[nova temple]

Wikipedia wrapper

Act 3 ||I kind of like that Maelle, who is known to have been fond of reading and sounds to me like she may have had some Writer tendencies, has a move named after an author||

[dawn spindle]

Act 1 ||Esquie's nest||||I have been trying to figure out how to get onto the left hand side of this place and it was all just doing the stupid cinematic so the column would fall ||

[nova temple]

same, Usha

[dawn spindle]

||bamboozled by the giant talking marshmallow||

||on the other hand I figured Esquie would unlock those areas outside so this was a good call 😤 ||

[merry lance]

Act 3 ||Personally I assumed that combined with "but they don't come back the same" was Gestrals as an idea developing as the kid comes to terms with death. (See also, Monoco the third)||

[nova temple]

Hmm, that's a fair point

I don't like it.

[fallow geode]

Act 3 ||Monoco the Third is what inspired my thought, yeah||

[fallow geode]

Act 1 ||Esquie is the best Mon Amie||

[dawn spindle]

Overworld general Act 1 ||up to Esquie's Nest|| ||does the cleaned up terrain stay cleaned?||

[nova temple]

It does not

[dawn spindle]

ah okay

well doesn't matter much I guess

[halcyon elbow]

Act 3 ||Stendhal is good because it is one of the baseline highest hitting moves in the game, before applying the Virtuose buff (or any other buffs, like Mark or Critical Burn), and then it is also Void damage which is never resisted||

||Even in non-boss encounters it is good for deleting a troublesome side enemy. Plus it deals an extreme amount of stagger damage as well, opening it up to follow-up||

||Additionally, with the Cheater Pictos (which you get from the big guy walking around in the ocean on the west half of the map kind of near Old Lumiere, and it causes you to go twice in a row), your second turn will clear the Defenseless debuff and give you an opportunity to get back into Virtuose stance for counterattacks and for your next turn||

And that's the Maelle "meta" in a nutshell

[merry lance]

||Or just Stendhal again||

[halcyon elbow]

It is more damage per turn to take the time to get back into stance

And you don't spend the intervening time with Defenceless on

[merry lance]

Ah, but only if there's another turn

[halcyon elbow]

The window of "Maelle doesn't end the fight" and "Maelle doesn't come up again in the turn order before someone else ends the fight" is a narrow enough one so as to not be worth building around

[nova temple]

Act 1 ||I am glad fanartists are focusing on what matters - Maelle, feet, and Golgra https://www.instagram.com/p/DJKe9qZv5XP/ ||

mishiiart

I’ve been spending my nights hanging out with my husband watching him play through Clair Obscur 🖤 Such a beautiful emotional journey it’s been. I’m obsessed with everything about this game. I wanted to make so much fanart, maybe cosplays too 😝 But when I saw Golgra, I knew I had to draw her.

#clairobscur #expedition33 #fanart #clai...

Instagram

[halcyon elbow]

Alright that's the [Act 1] ||Manor|| done

I only had to look up one door and that was because I just didn't see one hanging out in the open

[dawn spindle]

I'm currently in Act 1 ||Abbest Cave 😠 ||

for some reason it takes me a little bit to get into the parry rhythm in this fight

and by the time I do I have 1 person left with 10 health lol

and then I get it almost perfectly

done this dance 3 times already

[nova temple]

I found this to be one of the easier bosses, but it took me a few tries for the pattern to click

[dawn spindle]

It is a very easy pattern!

but it has so many attacks

[nova temple]

I suppose "rhythm" is more accurate

[halcyon elbow]

Yeah I dipped on that real early. Didn't actually come back for it until soon into act 3, where it was a little too easy but not way too easy

Damage differential is just way too high to try until at least toward the end of act 2, at least on expert

[dawn spindle]

It's more like... 3 turns pass between my attacks and my attacks again

which makes some buffs or other unique stuff kinda usless

[nova temple]

yeah, might be a little early for you

[dawn spindle]

I will have you guys know, I died because I pressed rt instead of rb

someone can get a laugh there I guess

[halcyon elbow]

If you are concerned about wildly outstripping bosses like this one, a lot of the challenge content will recycle bosses (especially the chromatic ones) at a point where it is far harder to overlevel them than it is on the overworld

[dawn spindle]

I'm good got it now

only got hit once 😤

[nova temple]

Love being wrong!

[dawn spindle]

you gave me the power

nothing like proving someone wrong 😈

the thing was obsessed with Maelle which was doing the highest counter damage which kind of helped

Lune got 3 levels out of that lol, well, that's it for today

[nova temple]

no worse feeling than a boss attacking your weak counterattack characters

[dawn spindle]

YEAH, I was marking it and then Act 1 ||Sciel would keep getting attacked which had a weapon that it'd resist and that'd eat up the counter damage and the mark, and you'd think "well dodge with her you idiot" but listen, my fingers don't obey me that much, I'm doing one thing or the other ||

[nova temple]

nah, when you live the parry life, you live the parry life

I get it

[dawn spindle]

yeah...

I'm so bad at parrying in every game

I'm surprised at myself in this one

though this game is kind of easy-ish

At least for now

I suppose I'm good at parrying in warframe

[main olive]

Warframe has parry?

[halcyon elbow]

It does

[dawn spindle]

It does

[dawn spindle]

clearly noob

I lied, I'm firing up the game again 😔

Just 20 more minutes

[nova temple]

good, good

[halcyon elbow]

You sure about that

[halcyon elbow]

Whoo boy that sure was a 17mil hit

[nova temple]

delish

[dawn spindle]

ended up being 25 minutes because this area ended up being much bigger than I thought

okay it was 30, fine

I had to explore enough that I'd know where I left it next time

[halcyon elbow]

Okay

I got Lune to 93 and Maelle to 92, and have completed every combat challenge except the last one, before grinding comes up as A Thing I Need To Do To Hit 99

Kind of remarkable actually

[dawn spindle]

I have absolutely no feeling of how far along i am, which i suppose means I'm nowhere near the end of Arc 1

[nova temple]

yeah, that's pretty close to where I was

Where are you, Usha?

[dawn spindle]

In the story... Arc 1 ||I finished Esquie's Nest and need to go recover his ... pebbles up on the cliffs but I was clearing up the areas (aka collecting a bunch of music records)||

I have 2 more unexplored areas here before I go do what I'm supposed to do... but not today... not today... right?

[nova temple]

Do you want to know where in Act 1 you are?

[dawn spindle]

hmmm not particularly I think

[nova temple]

coolio

[dawn spindle]

I'm the type of person to compulsively check how many pages I've read in the last 3 minutes so it's probably good for me to not be able to tell.

[nova temple]

all gucci

[main olive]

I don't know what to do with Lune gameplay wise

she's so far the only one I haven't been able to optimize

[fallow geode]

Would you like to know my build?

Idk if I'd call it optimized, but it works

[main olive]

aight

I have like nothing on her so she's due for a repaint

[fallow geode]

||weapon: Free stain on shot
Typhoon, The revive for 5 or 3 yellow, basic fire skill, and the two "4 stains for big damage" skills, and one free slot.
As many "on heal give buff" pictos as you can apply, and any that branch out from there. Any free shot pictos. double AP on parry because I run that on everyone. Enough bonus energy to get 8AP on first turn.
The goal is to play Typhoon first turn for +2AP to everyone and all the buffs every turn thereafter, then shoot for free stains and play Mayhem or preferably Genesis. I seem to get double Ice the most often, so the fire skill lets me sacrifice a turn to play Genesis next round||

[analog tiger]

Act 3 ||OH THAT'S WHY THEY ARE CALLED RECOATS I'M A MORON||

||I just got that with Nick saying that lmao||

[fallow geode]

||OH MY GOD||

[halcyon elbow]

Elemental Genesis is a trap

Hell and Lightning Dance are both stronger

[nova temple]

EG has value for being multi-element

[fallow geode]

Idk, I feel like 3 elements of exactly the right colour happens a lot less than 3 diff + a light

[halcyon elbow]

Typhoon gives you a Light and an Ice stain already

Then I normally use an Earth ability for the third stain

And I'm using the Colim to keep myself in Light stains

[fallow geode]

What does Colim do again?

[halcyon elbow]

So normally on turn 2 (with cheater) I can do Hell and then Lightning Dance back to back

50% chance to generate a Light stain any time you consume a Stain

[nova temple]

On turn two I am hitting my second EG 🙃

[halcyon elbow]

And then damage bonus for consuming Stains

[fallow geode]

Well notably I don't have cheater

[halcyon elbow]

Not that hard to get

[fallow geode]

And yet impossible for me to have had until today

[halcyon elbow]

Well, yeah, but act 3 is where buildcrafting actually matters

[fallow geode]

🙄
Any way nick, that's my build, do with it as you will

[analog tiger]

I like Mayhem build

free stain on aim weapon, some starting AP

• ap generation on marked and stuff

four free aim shots into Mayhem for anywhere between 10 and 50% of an enemy's HP pool depending on the enemy

[fallow geode]

I might swap out thermal transfer for a higher level skill. That's the one thing I have equipped that I didn't mention

[main olive]

I've done it, now at least it won't feel like Lune does nothing when she has to jump into the fight

my main team is still ||Sciel/Maelle/Monoco to stack up buffs on Maelle for Stendhal||

[fallow geode]

Oh hmm, I don't how good a primary support lune is on the off team.
I guess she's still damage 2/3 - 4/5 turns

[nova temple]

I don't like support Lune

She has healing but nothing in the buffs department really

[main olive]

Act 3 ||I didn't know Maelle was Vergilpilled||

https://tenor.com/view/vergil-gif-25306498

||I completely forgot she does indeed have a katana||

[nova temple]

Heh

[halcyon elbow]

The game director is extremely Vergilpilled. In addition to amateur Sekiro speedrunning, he also has done amateur DMC speedrunning

[main olive]

I knew there had to be a judgement cut somewhere

[analog tiger]

this makes me want a devil may cry RPG

and then I realised that already exists

though that is more of a coincidence than anything, not based on DMC

it's based on resident evil

[halcyon elbow]

You can stick just about every buff on the heal off Typhoon

Plus giving everyone AP

And Typhoon is surprisingly spicy

[nova temple]

I guessss

[halcyon elbow]

(The initial hit is garbage, it is the followups that are surprisingly spicy)

[main olive]

Act 3 ||Flying Manor.||

https://tenor.com/view/aww-hell-nahh-aww-hell-aww-hell-nahh-gif-9659330954843262630

Not you again

[halcyon elbow]

Act 3 general ||There's several of him around||

[nova temple]

Great fight!

[main olive]

Act 3 ||So when is Gustave returning.||

[nova temple]

||He just went to buy some cigarettes, sweetie, he'll be back soon!||

[halcyon elbow]

||New Game Plus at the very least ||

[nova temple]

You know what I don't understand? Burn

Like, obviously I get that it's damage each turn, but I don't understand how it degrades, or how multiple applications interact with each other, or how the damage is determined

[halcyon elbow]

I do know that each individual stack lasts 3 turns by default (can be modified)

I think each application also is individually calculated based on who applied it and how hard they applied it before the full stack of burn damage comes off, but I also think it scales more than just additively

Like, if Maelle applies three burn stacks worth 10k damage each and then Lune applies three burn stacks worth 10k damage each I think you get more than 60k damage / turn from it

Testing for it is very hard, since many sources of Burn apply in waves even from a single move

[nova temple]

Yeah, that's a part of it, it's tricky to test

[main olive]

For a while I ran a setup where I stacked lik 60 burns a turn with Maelle

very fun

[halcyon elbow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/expedition33/comments/1kt1q10/burn_damage_calculation_revision_1/

Looks like the base calculation of a burn stack is [how much damage you would do if you just attacked]/2 • [multiplier], where multiplier is dependent on how many stacks there are, giving diminishing returns ([act 3] ||Maelle|| appears to also have an intrinsically stronger burn multiplier)

Applicator's defense stat also appears to reduce Burn stack damage and it is unclear if this is a bug

[nova temple]

What a mess

[halcyon elbow]

I've been consistently unimpressed with Burn damage and being reduced by defense stat would definitely explain why

[wild jackal]

Act 3 ||There's also some weirdness with what happens when the character who applied the stacks dies. I know when I was doing Simon the first time, I was using Burn Verso and would have 650-700 burn stacks at the P3 transition that would be ticking for 0 damage afterward because Verso was dead.||

[halcyon elbow]

I wonder how something like Versatile affects it too

(After using Free Aim your base attack goes up by 50%)

So, for the rest of a Free Aim burst on a gunslinger build, do the burn stacks get spicier?

[halcyon elbow]

||Simon can remove the dead from the canvas, had that happened here? I can see that being a very specific part of the interaction||

[wild jackal]

||The Abyss||||He had been removed from the Canvas, but it feels like such a specific interaction for them to have hardcoded in for one optional fight. I might go have him put some stacks on a different enemy and then die the next time I play just to test it out though.||

[halcyon elbow]

Act 3 ||Abyss|| ||I doubt it is an interaction coded into the fight, my guess is that the damage is based off him and that the calculation doesn't know how to handle him being functionally no longer part of the fight. I expect you'd get a similar result if someone'd been eaten by the Burgeon, banished by Renoir, or if you called in your B team||

[wild jackal]

||That's fair, it might actually just be the backup team thing since the phase transition is just him removing the first party from the Canvas to force you to use the backups.||

[obtuse pond]

I’m trying to think of when the last time I played a video game with an antagonist I found as compelling as ||Renoir||
I don’t know what level of spoilers I should tag that as. Start of Act 3 just to be safe I guess.
Like… okay maybe the Princess from Slay the Princess, but that’s a weird situation and I don’t know if I’d even call her an antagonist.

[nova temple]

Kind of?

But yes

[obtuse pond]

In general I’ve been feeling kinda underwhelmed by a lot of recent video game antagonists.
Like if you were to make a list of best antagonists in video games, I feel like you wouldn’t get many from the past decade.
It’d mostly be villains like Glados, Vaas, Andrew Ryan, Handsome Jack, etc.

[exotic ember]

Well I got through a lot of content in act 3 tonight

Did act 3 || lune, Maelle, and Monoco friendships, frozen heart, flying red forest, endless tower up to 10.1 ||

Act 3 || Endless tower || || They have some really cool fights in here ||

[analog tiger]

Act 3 ||I think that's more based on how burn is coded; I think that removing a character from the fight is basically adding a x0 multiplier to the damage||

[analog tiger]

it'd take me some time to remember the 2020s games but I could do it

[halcyon elbow]

https://x.com/expedition33/status/1927364988219383892

Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 (@expedition33)

Thirty-three days ago, we released Clair Obscur: Expedition 33.

Since then, we’ve sold 3.3 million copies.

Seriously. As of today.
We couldn’t make that up.

Another entry on the long list of surreal moments that your support has made real. Thank you ALL.

Tomorrow comes.🤝

X · May 27, 2025, 2:03 PM

[nova temple]

This is how we find out we are in a simulation

All the E33 stuff is just fake

[shell minnow]

Act 3 ||Or in someone's Canvas perhaps||

[nova temple]

The thought did cross my mind

[halcyon elbow]

Wake up babe a final (act 3 spoilery) music video just dropped ||https://fixupx.com/lorien_testard/status/1927379610984947955 ||

Well

That sucks

||https://youtu.be/PZ4DHDX-pQk ||

There we go

[exotic ember]

That’s actually incredible

[nova temple]

I think I might be too dumb to understand what's going on

[exotic ember]

I think I have over 100 hours in the game now across PS5 and PC after last night. Steam says 69 hours and the PS5 in game save had said 30-35 hours. Team is around level 80 on PC

[exotic ember]

Really solid video. Spoilers through the end of act 1: https://youtu.be/06ZJQjNFH4A?si=sFwn3qEv6hN6tRCS

[exotic ember]

Interesting stuff about how scaling works for weapons. Something I’ll definitely be keeping in mind moving forward.
Spoilers up through the end of Act 1: https://youtu.be/0g_HRDnX2ks?si=sfAblXTaVV0pedI2

[fallow geode]

where do you get Lunes outfit in that?

[halcyon elbow]

Frozen Hearts

From the ||dance battle with the Chromatic Dansseuse there||

[merry lance]

Full game ||I just realized, "We Lost" is in 3/4 time... Is our fight with Simon a waltz?||

[halcyon elbow]

||Nah. Too fast. I'd describe it more as 6 than 3||

[main olive]

I need more levels, lots of dungeons still say DANGER

[merry lance]

Just pretend you're DW and see how they feel

[main olive]

Oh I've already explored a lot of DANGER dungeons and gained a lot of resources from them

but some are

scary

[fallow geode]

Does nick actually know who DW is?

[main olive]

Dames Workshop from the Dawnhammer 40K series

actually no idea

[fallow geode]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-read-gif-22252869

[halcyon elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[fallow geode]

This girl

[main olive]

It's been so long since I watched that show

holy hell

[halcyon elbow]

Some Act 1 spoilers [Daily Preach] ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3KnTY_JP9I&t=2s ||

[dawn spindle]

Time for more gaming

do y'all just open the game and be like "damn I could stay in the main menu with this song for a little while longer"

[halcyon elbow]

I just got the album to solve that problem

[dawn spindle]

it's not like I can't go listen to it whenever I want

but it hits at that moment and it does a little lulling

This is not ideal way to play

Last time she looked at my cable like this i hadto use alot of tape, and the time before that she cut off internet

[nova temple]

I have left my game on the title screen

[dawn spindle]

Hmm i don't think today I'm in the mood to just die repeteadly 😔

[halcyon elbow]

I've got Preach's second VOD going and he's going on about a theory involving.... the French Foreign Legion?????

[main olive]

I went back to play Honkai Star Rail after being Clair Obscuring for a while and I was like
"Wait which button do I dodge and parry with?"

forgetting that despite both being turn based rpg honkai doesn't have a dodge or parry button

My goose is cooked

[obtuse pond]

Man, there’s this line from after you clear ||The Endless Tower|| in Act 3 that is gonna really rattle around in my brain for a while.

“||The only thing you owe your parents is a live you enjoy.||”

[nova temple]

yeah, that's a good one

[halcyon elbow]

Act 2 I guess ||https://x.com/gabbiecasso/status/1927330931389386975 ||

Gabbie 🐣 (@gabbiecasso)

Finished #ClairObscurExpedition33 and I'm obliged to draw
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@expedition33 #Expedition33

X · May 27, 2025, 11:47 AM

[nova temple]

the gang

[shell minnow]

pros of having to wake up at 4am: can catch preach stream live

(stream, end of act 1) ||Preach being his usual completely sociopathic self about character deaths and being totally unfazed by Gustave's death is SO typical||

[main olive]

Act 3
||I revived Noco but he doesn't remember anything, and when I talk to him Monoco just starts sobbing because he misses his dad.||
||I find it really sweet that Noco was Monoco's master and caretaker, basically his dad despite it looking like the opposite||

[shell minnow]

Preach, Act 2 ||honestly the all SPS build is killing me. watching him unlock Verso and immediately dump all 66 stat points into agility did give me psychic damage||

[dawn spindle]

i just parried with my left hand! that must be my luck for the entire day so might as well just cloes the game

[fallow geode]

how are you parrying on left?
or is this some KBM thing?

[dawn spindle]

no no, it's very dumb

I just laid back to start playing and i left it right before a boss last night

and the fight started and i was mid removing a clip from my hair

and i forgot the boss attacks first

[scarlet trout]

Usha invents a new grip

[dawn spindle]

so i just tried really quickly to press rb with my left hand

and i got it right

i was clearly in a terrible mood to do this yesterday cause i got it first try today (did it 3 times yesterday)

this was uh... Act 1 ||Yellow Harvest|| ||Glaise or something like that?||

oh god what is this sequence of attacks ||chromatic orphelin|| 😭

||I keep getting killed by a spoon, this is unpleasant ||

i might need to change my builds here there are 6 turns going in between my attacks

[dawn spindle]

||guys i fear the spoon now 😭 ||

[halcyon elbow]

This is usually my sign to leave and come back later

[exotic ember]

Checking out Preach’s day 1 stream vod. The theorizing in the prologue so far is hilarious

[exotic ember]

|| By a… what? I don’t remember a spoon enemy 👀 ||

[fallow geode]

||unless she means the frying pan||

[dawn spindle]

changing my build did fix that haha

I'm too stubborn to leave

[dawn spindle]

||this, the frying pan guy attacks you with a ladle, the thing says "attacks you with a spoon" ||

got it to 25% now, it's just the one ||spoon attack ive managed to parry once ever||

[exotic ember]

|| Oh the one with the frying pan on top of its head? ||

[dawn spindle]

yeeeh

[exotic ember]

Prologue || I somehow missed the Life Enjoyers on both of my playthroughs ||

[halcyon elbow]

I love how he's always asking "does this mean anything in baguette/parlez vouz/etc"

[dawn spindle]

Whew that took longer than I realized

but it was kind of satisfactory

[nova temple]

Based on the extremely limited Preach content I've watched, I don't trust him to engage earnestly with the story and not clown on it 😔

[halcyon elbow]

I would definitely say that is a misread of him. He engages earnestly, but a lot of the Big Emotional Moments tend not to pull him along because that's just how he is

[nova temple]

hmm

Maybe I'll give him a chance when I run out of playlists

[halcyon elbow]

Probably try his Daily Preaches on this first since I think that'll give a more holistic look at where he's coming from for the streams

[dawn spindle]

Act 1 ||Yellow Harvest|| ||So these 2 people stayed here for a whole year til their gommage, I thought the other people hadn't disappearede because they died of murder, but these 2 just stayed here as statues despite dying through gommage 🤔 ||

[nova temple]

I don't remember exactly what you are talking about, but I wonder if there's a different explanation...

[dawn spindle]

||expedition... 38? journal is written the day before the gommage (I think), perhaps there is another explanation and didn't actually survive til the gommage. However their corpses seem to just sorta exist there (unlike other corpses around)||

It is more of an observation than a conclussion I guess

[halcyon elbow]

||I can definitely think of some records that are left behind without statues that also mention being close to their gommage so I think maybe they just got ganked because they're hanging out in a dungeon?||

[dawn spindle]

what

[halcyon elbow]

There are also a whole bunch of "give allies buffs on death" Pictos

So the strat there is to auto-death on two and then use all the last-one-alive Pictos on the last (usually Maelle)

[dawn spindle]

lol

that's fantastic

my cat has decided the mouse is the place to nap and she keeps very slightly moving my camera

[halcyon elbow]

Not a way I prefer to play but it is very funny

[dawn spindle]

I don't think I'll do that, I'm already doing glass canon parry life which is not a good choice with my serious skill issue

But it is fantastic that it exists

[halcyon elbow]

Mhmm

It is very all-or-nothing

Genuinely one of the triumphs of this game is the quantity of builds that legitimately work

[dawn spindle]

Act 1 ||log 59||

This game sure has a lot of flavour

wow I'm done with that area, it was much bigger than I expected

I think i got 2 more areas here before going to main quest

[shell minnow]

||unlike that nevron||

Also my vibe on Preach writ large is that he does very earnestly appreciate a well-crafted story (and he's heaped nothing but praise on e33's story so far) but he also does not feel beholden at all to having the "right" reaction or playing up his response for the audience

Act 1 ending spoilers ||Like, some of the gameplay stuff and Gustave's journal made him suspect that Gustave was going to die, so when it happened, he wasn't particularly fazed by it. And... he does definitely get a little bit of enjoyment from his audience calling him a heartless monster. ||

[dawn spindle]

Act 1 ||some camp stuff|| ||I had a building up feeling that the old guy and the masked woman are gustave and maelle. Like i thought it at the beach in a "lol would be funny if" but it's starting to burrow in (I honestly have no clue what's going on at the moment) (please don't explain anything)||

[shell minnow]

well actually, what's going on here is–-

[dawn spindle]

I do have a question actually

though entirely unrelated

actually 2 questions General I guess ||do camp cinematic scenes accumulate, should I be camping every now and then to get them? I don't see any reason to camp ever except when it forces me to so 🤔 ||

And then Act 1 areas (?) ||There's a place... red woods? It lets me put chroma on a place, I did that once, and now it's asking 10k chroma, is it going to ask for more after? I am not particularly keen on just dumping my chroma there for nothing so I'd rather accumulate it and dunk it in one go||

[merry lance]

Answer ||Yes. It'll end up asking for a lot||

[dawn spindle]

I guess ill skip that then

[reef iron]

i don't think i even came across that place 🤔

wild

it's amazing how much there is to miss in this game

[dawn spindle]

I'm starting to feel the need to dedicate my whole wake time to the game, frick

[dawn spindle]

Hmmm... I'm just going to the stuff on the map

I'm physically unable to go forward without checking everything I can see

[shell minnow]

...i just checked back in because im at my next airport

apparently preach's found a boss he's stubborn-moding on for the past 2 hours

[reef iron]

he had to succumb at some point