Star Wars

[topaz cliff]

I'm disappointed they're doing a ninth jedi series instead of a F (village bride) series, that's what I would love

[wispy lichen]

Ninth jedi was sick so I’m excited for that ngl

[echo echo]

Seems like they felt too pressured to connect it all to Revan and to a lesser extent the Exile and I think that weakens what should have been an interesting premise on its own

[silk solar]

SW 7 ||you know, this has legs. maybe a solid foundation for a sequel trilogy? just throwing ideas out there, we could aaaand republic blew up||

who is the ninth jedi

i thought we already had the last one?

[wispy lichen]

The SWTOR empire is a little different

[topaz cliff]

Ninth jedi is from the visions anthology

[silk solar]

real talk though this would have been interesting. have an actual War in Star Wars

[echo echo]

That dinosaur jedi from Attack of the Clones

[topaz cliff]

There's 2 episodes

[wispy lichen]

Ninth Jedi is an alternate universe in a far future where ||the Jedi are gone and are being reassembled. ||
It’s a short. You should check it out.

[supple star]

Not really what I mean. It would span the various eras of Star Wars and would focus on different droids in different time periods each episode but would be connected thematically.

[silk solar]

||for how often the are reassembled, there is far less content where the jedi are just assembled than you would think||

[echo echo]

Its from that anime anthology that you either really liked or really didn't

(I really didn't)

[silk solar]

i do not wonder what side you are on

[wispy lichen]

SWTOR Empire is actually more fun because ||it’s a full Sith race / religion with tons of lords and slaves to match the Republic and the full Jedi order. Both are at full strength vying against each other for power. ||

[silk solar]

damnit kon stop spoiling my messages

[wispy vortex]

I thought the animation was cool but the writing tended to be super weak

[wispy lichen]

A show about HK47. That’s it. That’s the show.

[silk solar]

it would be very nice to get a show that focuses on the jedi and the sith as religions, what they believe, who there followers are. idk why anyone would follow the sith if you arent getting lightning powers out of it, unless you are naru ig

you know what, i change my answer. i want naru's ideal star wars to be a tv show, just so i can see what it looks like

[echo echo]

I think that would require Lucasfilms to actually sit down and commit to some setting-realities about what the Light and Dark side are

[wispy lichen]

In SWTOR ||it’s about where you are born. Like your Sith characters are born as slaves or dedicated servants and you can be on the Light while still part of the Empire. ||

[silk solar]

get out of my office and dont come back - every star wars exec

[echo echo]

I don't think its about laziness

[lavish flame]

An epic old republic procedural/ political/war drama following the life of a single jedi from padawan to legendary jedi from a very young age. We expand on every phase of their life. It has extended periods of relatively monster of the week type stuff followed by very cohesive long term plotlines. As they finally become a knight, war with the sith breaks out. We follow them through wars, through the entire journey of being a jedi, from a lone wanderer to a martial leader, to perhaps eventual disillusionment from the order and a peaceful retirement.

A comprehensive guide to the galaxy through the eyes of a very well developed and expansive character.

It logistically will never happen.

On a more simpler side, give me a cute will they won't they style romance style jedi police procedural.

[wispy lichen]

SWTOR as a show would be fun

[wispy vortex]

Darth Bane adaptation would be sick. Showing the Sith as actually evil, no redemption here

[echo echo]

I think they don't want to piss off the grey Jedi stans

[silk solar]

there are dozens!

[wispy lichen]

Tales of the Jedi era could be fun

Nomi Sunrider and Exar Kun and Ulic Qel Droma etc.

I know Duck said no adaptions but we crossed that line already lol

[echo echo]

I'm being a little facetious but I think the reality of it is they want to leave the door open for moral ambiguity, which strikes me as an odd choice for a setting that is expressly built around the idea of good vs evil

[silk solar]

i dont think the force needs a canonical interpretation. in our world people in the same religion argue over the morality of things, and having the nature of the force be debated and culturally or politically influenced would be interesting, the issue is that each piece of media, and further each character, doesnt know what the force is or how they interpret it

[lavish flame]

Gray jedi is just a term that never made sense to me, though it may be because I just subscribe to the "light side is the balance, dark side is a corruption of the fotce" thing.

I love the idea of non jedi light side force orders.

But gray jedi makes no sense. Jedi is a specific order.

[silk solar]

i think having someone who thinks the force is a moral binary and having someone who doesnt interact would make for good drama

[wispy lichen]

They should have different interpretations on the force and argue about it in universe

That’s the Star Wars I love

When it gets into all the fun metaphysics

daily shilling of New Jedi Order

[silk solar]

"the force is concious"
"concious of how wrong you are"
lights lightsaber

[lavish flame]

In general I'm in favour of anything that's a bit more... Grand and as far from the main movies as possible.

[silk solar]

althought ig this requires someone to set down the law that this is how it works, which we all know wont happen

i think the acolyte tried to do this at some point but idk

[wispy lichen]

Acolyte felt like it wanted to say interesting stuff but got bogged down by Disney oversight

[supple star]

I really like that a lot about the force is vague, I just want them to do more with it. Acolyte kinda tried, but really just made a muddle.

[wispy lichen]

The most successful alternate force discussions for me were in KOTOR 2 and New Jedi Order Traitor and Destiny’s Way

[silk solar]

when i become in charge of star wars, every employees screensaver will just be a large hand written note of NO MORE SPECIAL FORCE BABIES

only boinking produces children in my star wars

[wispy lichen]

In Legends, Anakin ||is created by Plagueis||

[lavish flame]

Yeah they'll make em fully grown adults born from stars now.

[silk solar]

god its so dumb

[lavish flame]

And they will war.

[supple star]

I hope Ahsoka S2 does something cool with the villain. Lots of potential there. I can never tell when Lucasfilm will actually capitalize on that potential or squander it though.

[wispy lichen]

Ahsoka ||it has to be something Mortis||

[supple star]

Cough Finn Cough

[wispy lichen]

||Abeloth would be SO FUNNY just because of the haters ||

[echo echo]

I think that as long as they struggle to articulate what the light side is, the idea of edgy quasi-middle ground characters with bespoke moralities seems really attractive especially to writers

[silk solar]

i agree, but the content of being in the middle ground is empty if you dont know what the two sides are

this was the biggest script flaw with ep 8

[wispy lichen]

I agree but the writers just aren’t interested in those questions

[wispy vortex]

Yeah

[wispy lichen]

We need someone to come in with really good philosophical questioning

[silk solar]

if you do good-evil, having a middle ground doesnt make sense

[wispy lichen]

Like Stover did for Legends. We need something like that for canon.

[wispy vortex]

I really hate how this plotline was never closed because of how Legends ended

[echo echo]

Even if they leave the viewer-facing/in-world side of things ambiguous, I think someone at Lucasfilms actually has to have some firm answers about what Light and Dark are in the Star Wars universe

[lavish flame]

||The canon galaxy would be so funny scale wise honestly. The fifteen people left in the resistance will fight with the Vong and Abelpth now.||

[wispy lichen]

YES

[wispy lichen]

People hate on it a lot. I have yet to read it but I hope it gets canonized purely out of spite for the hate I see.

[supple star]

All my interactions with that character are YouTube thumbnails saying things like THE MOST TERRIFYING THINGS IN THE STAR WARS GALAXY and pictures of a lady with a weird mouth.

[silk solar]

if star wars has taught me anything, a ruggedly handsome fighter pilot who doesnt listen to orders is worth a hundred alien planets

[wispy vortex]

The plot was meh, but the tail end got cut off my Disney

[wispy lichen]

She’s the Mortis ||Mother||

[supple star]

Wait really.

[wispy vortex]

Yeah

[wispy lichen]

Ahsoka ||we know something Mortis related is going on so it’s probably Abeloth or Son shenanigans ||

[lavish flame]

Honestly it was a pretty dumb plotline.

[wispy lichen]

Yep

[lavish flame]

Everything about mortis kinda never made sense to me.

I like the idea of star wars eldritch beings though.

[silk solar]

SW 8 ||"ren come to the light" what does this mean? why is he dark? what can he do on the dark side he cant do on the light? what does he have to do to join the light? anakin copped out by dying? is it like christianity, where you just say the words and are saved? does cosco have a bigger barrier to entry than the light side of the force? why was he shirtless in that one scene? would he have been clothed if he wasnt evil? do only sith lords get thirst traps?||

[wispy vortex]

No, Obi wan exists

[silk solar]

he isnt posting pics for the gram

[wispy lichen]

E5 does a better job at establishing the light vs dark stakes let’s be honest lol

E8 should’ve learned from E5

[silk solar]

8 ||would rey have found him more or less attractive if he was on the light side?||

[wispy lichen]

||less||

[wispy vortex]

Less

[silk solar]

rey likes baddies who can blame her

[wispy lichen]

Sequels ||Rey should’ve gone for Oscar Isaac he’s better||

[silk solar]

he is really hot but man does his character do nothing

[wispy lichen]

I’d say he was potential man but Finn exists

[echo echo]

Does Rey even have enough of a personality to make an informed judgment?

[silk solar]

9 ||"somehow palpatine is back"||

[supple star]

I feel like that’s all of the ST characters

[silk solar]

i dont think her judgements in that moment were very informed

[silk solar]

shhhhhhhhhhhh

[echo echo]

Oh I mean does Rey have enough of a personality for us to make a judgment about her taste?

[silk solar]

rey just being horny actually makes those movies make marginally more sense

[wispy lichen]

Idk why the OT just feels so much better on light vs. dark when all it says is “yeah the dark is evil and bad”

Maybe because it commits to the binary

And the Sequels try to go back and forth too much

[silk solar]

i dont think the sequels tried to do anything

like honest to god every force discussion is completely independent of what the characters actually do

[supple star]

Hot ✅
Potential ✅
Meaningful character development ❌

[wispy lichen]

ESB is so good at the force discussions ngl

[silk solar]

can i start tagging 17S users in this lmao

you know what, we talk a lot of crap here

are you an interesting character? have you fulfilled your potential?

[wispy lichen]

No and no

[silk solar]

do you have any shirtless thirst traps when zoom calling with a girl halfway across the galaxy?

[wispy lichen]

😔

[supple star]

No I don’t nearly glaze Kelsier enough

[echo echo]

At least our lives have like

Causality

[silk solar]

i dont know if i agree with that at all

most people's lives are just random events ducktaped with narrative bias

which still makes them more cohesive than ep 9

[echo echo]

Well yeah that's my point

"X happened because Y" is true even if you have no control over Y, unless you're in the sequel trilogy

[wispy lichen]

Unlike the Sequels there is a 100 percent chance of me talking about the nature of the force and the likelihood of it having a will etc.

[silk solar]

it is really weird no one ever asks these questions

rey just levitates some rocks and is like yeah i get it

[wispy lichen]

People do! It’s just in Legends

[silk solar]

8 ||also what was that hole she went down? was it just a dark side evil place? this was never explained||

[wispy lichen]

Canon NEEDS an author to come and cook

[silk solar]

||why did luke go to an island with an evil hole on it||

[wispy lichen]

||it’s a dark side “cave” ala Luke’s dark side cave from E5||

[echo echo]

||It is the way of the washed Jedi||

[silk solar]

in an ideal world, star wars books would be a prestige brand, and known authors would get contracted to write content. like how NK Jemisin wrote a green lantern story

[wispy vortex]

So basically Legends

[wispy lichen]

Legends got a lot of famous authors lol

[echo echo]

I mean that was derailed from the start

[silk solar]

||but there wasnt any dark side in it! it is literally just a hole||

wait did it

[wispy lichen]

E5 / Legends ||Legends implies Yoda picked a spot that a dark sider left an item in because it would help mask his presence in the Force from the Empire ||

||so yes-ish||

[silk solar]

the expanse guys did a novella it seems

[wispy lichen]

Mhm

[echo echo]

The Lando trilogy from the early 80s was written by a guy who won an award for "best libertarian book" awarded by a foundation that the author had founded

[wispy lichen]

The Drizzt guy wrote a NJO book

[silk solar]

that is an S tier #konFact

[wispy lichen]

Kevin J Anderson infamous for ruining Dune tried to ruin Star Wars

[silk solar]

if they asked him would brandon write a star wars trilogy yes or no

[wispy lichen]

No

[silk solar]

i said trilogy bc he obviously would if it was one book

[echo echo]

I don't think he's into Star Wars like that

[supple star]

I can picture trying to sell Disney executives on this, they would see one deep metaphysical discussion and say “General audiences won’t get this, show the Millennium Falcon again”

[silk solar]

i literally think he would do it for the memes

[echo echo]

And for all its flaws Stormlight does what Star Wars should be doing and doesn't a lot of the time anyway

[silk solar]

i dont think disney execs care about line by line dialgoue whatsoever

[supple star]

I mean he was asked if he wanted to do a Marvel book but turned them down.

[silk solar]

luke just says "watcher on the rim" whenever someone asks him why he murdered like a million stormtroopers

kylo ren is rey's tien

[echo echo]

A lot of the problem with Disney Star Wars is that Disney was too hands off, oddly

Like I get Executive Meddling is a popular scapegoat but you do in fact need a central creative vision and Disney just hasn't ever seemed interested in providing that

[supple star]

That is true

[silk solar]

i think in a multitiered media franchice, you need someoen to draw lines in the sand. what the movies are responsible for. what the shows are responsible for. and so on. in an ideal world, the movie trilogies would be the top dog, but they would leave enough space for individual movies and tv shows to do their own thing, with a regroup every few years to make sure everything is on the right track

oftentimes leaving things to individual discretion makes it harder for that individual to succeed

producing art under these franchises is really diffucult if there is not stablilty

[supple star]

The hard part is to decide who draws the lines. I love Filoni but he would be an awful choice.

[echo echo]

He'd be better than no choice

[silk solar]

steven erikson once wrote a story for Destiny of all things that got shelved because the lore got completely reworked and it didnt make sense, so they just paid him 10 grand and then never talked to him again

[echo echo]

They went with Seth Dickinson instead

[wispy lichen]

They do have a Story Group, the Story Group is just kinda bad

[echo echo]

Which, fantastic choice, his stuff for Destiny has consistently been excellent

[silk solar]

my impression is that they wanted multiple authors to have there own thing going, but this got downsized.

[silk solar]

do they have any actual power or do they just check continuity and timelines and the like

[echo echo]

Destiny Moment

[wispy lichen]

The latter

[echo echo]

I believe they also do shop around stories to authors rather than having authors come to them with stories, specifically on the book side of things

[silk solar]

what a world it would be if bungie had just bankrolled like 5 top tier sff authors to crank out a desinty expanded universe

[wispy vortex]

lmao

[silk solar]

that is another problem

[supple star]

I think that is kind of why we would never see a BS Star Wars book beyond him wanting to focus on his own stuff, he would want to nail so much stuff down.

[echo echo]

"Who wants to write this (truly horrendous) Captain Phasma book" type thing

[wispy vortex]

Rebels ||God the Maul vs Obi Wan fight is so good. Best duel in Star Wars||

[silk solar]

you can tell the mercenary contracted books from the actual art

[supple star]

It’s truly

[wispy lichen]

Legends authors definitely had more passion for SW than I see in canon authors (who it is ultimately a job for)

[wispy lichen]

So peak

Rebels || He will avenge us 🔥 ||

[wispy vortex]

A perfect coda for his character

[silk solar]

i think there is a real balance between having superfans and established creatives with no attachment to the story

my impression is filoni may actually be the biggest star wars fan of all time

you need both, really

[wispy lichen]

Agree

They can tell different types of stories

[silk solar]

as long as you dont pick jj abrams smh

[echo echo]

Much of what makes Mando so odd is the show spends a lot of time and effort on callbacks to stuff people never actually watched or read

I'm more positive on Mando than most I think but I think they could have toned that particular angle down a good 20% and lost nothing and gained much

[wispy lichen]

Callbacks should occur but only where they actually fit and are needed

[silk solar]

david goggins has a good interview where he talks about not playing fallout bc someone in the production needed to make sure things worked for non video game players

also i dont think he play video games

[echo echo]

Like almost every scene of Mando has one or more callbacks and its to stuff like the Ewok movies or the Christmas special or what have you

[supple star]

I think there is canon authors that really care about the story, but I’ve noticed that they don’t really get series as much. So I don’t really connect a character to an author like with the legends books.

[silk solar]

novels are also so much different of a medium. if you want to establish a new character or idea, have 100k plus words to do it is unmatched

[wispy lichen]

Legends authors will also play in the same sandbox a bit more

[echo echo]

Frankly part of that is that Disney didn't want to pay authors as much

You do in fact get what you pay for

[wispy vortex]

Zahn really cares, but hes semiretired

[echo echo]

And Disney is historically allergic to royalties

[wispy vortex]

He has this, his own books, and his books with David Weber. And hes getting old

[wispy lichen]

Like I wouldn’t be surprised if most canon authors didn’t read each other’s books

[echo echo]

Large part of why Legends got decanonized in the first place actually

[silk solar]

i think axing legends from the canon was the correct move, but they should have taken way more inspiration (read, planned out a timeline)

[wispy lichen]

Legends authors did read it all

[wispy lichen]

Completely agree

Axing it made sense

I’d argue they could continue publishing legends stuff to finish off arcs in that continuity but making their own timeline was the right move

[wispy vortex]

Yeah

rip Crucible

[wispy lichen]

Lots of stuff got cut off lol

[silk solar]

this ran into the very real threat of the legends stuff just being better

[echo echo]

This is Clone Wars

Grandfathering in was never the problem

[silk solar]

i feel at the moment that if i watch ashoka and then episode 7 it will feel like alternate universes anyways

[wispy lichen]

It probably will a bit

[echo echo]

They call it the Filoniverse for a reason

[supple star]

I do like a lot of canon stuff, though since I’ve probably read more of it than legends, and since I have only read the good stuff from legends so I don’t know how they overall compare in quality.

[silk solar]

are there in canon currently being published star wars books?

[wispy lichen]

Canon is overall average in quality. Legends varied from very bad to the best books I’ve read of anything.

[silk solar]

this is the reason for all the callbacks right

[echo echo]

Kind of a lot actually

[silk solar]

its literally the same guy

[wispy vortex]

Canon has some great books

[wispy lichen]

Lost Stars is amazing

[wispy vortex]

But they are all pretyt much from Timothy Zahn

[wispy lichen]

Love Lost Stars

[echo echo]

Filoni does narrative callbacks to his own stuff but the Mando stuff in particular is callbacks to the old old stuff

Weird "this alien was last seen in a newspaper comic in 1979" type callbacks

[wispy lichen]

Ahsoka especially calls back narratively but it kinda has to by virtue of the story it is telling

(It is a direct sequel to Rebels)

[supple star]

Mask of fear was pretty good too. Excited for the rest of the trilogy

[echo echo]

Feels less like a sequel and more like just season 5 of Rebels sometimes

[wispy lichen]

I need to read that one!

[wispy lichen]

Yeah

[echo echo]

I suppose Ahsoka herself is what warrants a title change, but even her stuff is picking up mostly from Rebels and only secondarily from Clone Wars

[wispy vortex]

I didn’t like Ahsoka, it made a lot of choices I hated

[echo echo]

I thought Ahsoka was mostly okay, I just wish anything had actually happened

[lavish flame]

The thing is, I think most people , even the most boring people you'll ever meet, are probably interesting enough in their own way.

Movies, however, should show snapshots of people at their most interesting.

At least most movies should.

Characters are very different in the sense that their involvement in actions can't make them interesting. Finn and Poe as revolutionaries could be deeply interesting people to talk to if they were real.

But as characters? They're painfully bland.

[lavish flame]

||Cuz dagobah.||

[lavish flame]

The problem is that this inevitably leads to heavy handed story groups that are the bane of creativity in any corporate environment. At that stage it's probably much better to just hand it off to one person, any person, and let them see what works.

Hell, I think the ST could have been better if either JJ or RJ had control over all 3 movies.

[unkempt sail]

SC 7 || I wonder what it is about turning twi'leks into moles, and it makes me nervous about Dia and Face finally getting together||

[unkempt sail]

SC 10 ||The Gara situation is finally out in the open, poor Donos.||

SC 11 ||triple agent time lol||

[supple star]

I am rewatching Skeleton Crew and man is Neel adorable. He is too pure for this scummy galaxy.

I love how frank the show is about how most of the Star Wars galaxy is an absolutely abysmal place.

[supple star]

Solo command 7 ||oh I am really going to be hating Dr. Gast.||

SC 7/TLJ ||Hmm I think I’ve seen this one before. Is Solo going to fly this time||

SC 7||Ha Chewie closing the door with one arm, really flexing on Han there||

||This is bad but Tal’dira’s trigger phrase is really funny. “I must kill Wedge because he hopes around on one tranparisteel leg” ||

||And he’s dead, I feel really bad for laughing now||

||Well thanks is thanks I guess||

SC 7 ||Possible team up with the Imperials to take down Zsinij? Color me intrigued||

SC 8 ||They literally got their Millennium Fakeon from a scrapyard ||

[unkempt sail]

SC 14 ||really loving this use of mouse droids lol, and Tonin having a viewpoint section||

[supple star]

SC 8 ||Oh great, Zsinij has one of those cloaking devices.||

I kinda forgot that the X-wing books take place before the Thrawn trilogy. I was getting really confused about ||Solo and Leia’s relationship status||

[wispy vortex]

We are reading these earlier books slightly out of chronological order, more optimized for getting people into it

[supple star]

SC 9 ||Seriously what are these triggers phrases “Ewoks in my nose”||

[wispy vortex]

You’ll notice that I Jedi also takes place after this book

[wispy vortex]

I’d be pretty worried too if I had that problem

[supple star]

SC 9 ||”Wedge, you don’t speak Wookie.” Almost forgot that key detail did ya Wedge. And Chewie is famous for getting along well with protocol droids||

[wispy vortex]

Yub yub

[unkempt sail]

Oops guess I'm binging this lol

SC 16 ||love that we finally do get an unsettlingly smart ewok, finally||

[supple star]

||Oh yeah Squeaky and Chewie are a great combo. Wedge, haven’t you learned anything from Chopper and AP.||

[unkempt sail]

SC 16 ||AND HE CAN FLY TOO?!||

[unkempt sail]

Wooo that was fun. Now I'm off to look at chronology to see if this was written before or after The Courtship of Princess Leia

Oh, after, interesting. So this is Allston indicating that he's lining his books up with existing stuff

[wispy vortex]

Yeah

I really dont like how the story isnt concluded by him

Courtship is a very different book

And not very good imo

[unkempt sail]

I've never read any Wolverton but I'm curious because he was Sanderson 's predecessor for the BYU creative writing class

[wispy lichen]

WS 20 ||Kell is so interesting as a character because he’s so neurotic and stress all the time and it definitely hits on mental health issues well with him||

[wispy lichen]

WS 26 ||what kind of idiot takes a dangerous insect||

[wispy vortex]

||But its cute||

[wispy lichen]

||gah he deserved his fate. Just wish someone else killed the stupid thing||

||wait they were pranking him bahahahahaha ||

[unkempt sail]

||I think that's my favorite thing about the Wraiths; they have a good sense of humor and go to lengths to prank each other||

[wispy lichen]

<@&1396936875054203020> today we move onto Isard’s Revenge by Michael Stackpole.
Our next book will be the last of our X-Wing reads with Starfighters of Adumar by Aaron Allston.

[bright blade]

I just learned about the craziest bit of Star Wars lore that I'm astounded I didn't know sooner.

That the original Star Wars (before it was even called A New Hope) had a direct sequel written for it that wasn't The Empire Strikes Back. And I'm not talking about the Holiday Special.

I'm talking about "Splinter of the Mind's Eye", technically the first Legends novel, written shortly after the first movie was finished and before production began on Empire Strikes Back.

And the story behind it is wild. So George Lucas hired Alan Dean Foster to ghostwrite a novelization of the first movie while the film was in production, which was published under Lucas' name under the name "Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker" in 1976, several months before the movie released.

But Foster was also contracted to write a sequel. At the time, Lucas had little confidence in the success of his movie, and decided that if it did get a sequel, it would need to be very small and low-budget. So he instructed Foster to write a sequel to "Star Wars" that reused as much content from the movie, limited the space battles, and kept a smaller cast and set of locations, all to plan for it being the basis of a film sequel where they could reuse as many props and costumes as possible with very little set-building.

Then "Star Wars" was an enormous smash hit, as we all know, which allowed Lucas to make the big-budget sequel he really dreamed of, "The Empire Strikes Back". There was no longer a need to adapt "Splinter of the Mind's Eye", but the book was released anyway as an interquel between the films.

[echo echo]

Decanonization, retconning, and quietly discarding ideas that did not work have all been part of Star Wars from the beginning

[bright blade]

And now that I have this information, I need to read this book.

[echo echo]

I do have to warn you that what we got is imo orders of magnitude better

[bright blade]

I have no doubt

[echo echo]

Splinter of the Mind's Eye has a lot more in common with sci-fi movements that predate Star Wars than it does with the Star Wars that came after

[bright blade]

But as a lifelong Star Wars fan, I feel beholden to find and read this. Splinter of the Mind's Eye spoilers ||I'd heard of some kind of "encounter on Mimban" long ago without knowing more of the story to it. Now it all clicks.||

[bright blade]

And this is precisely what makes it all the more intriguing to me. 😁

[echo echo]

There's also a Lando trilogy from the early 80s if you want to go Star Wars archeologying

[bright blade]

SotME is going onto my already long backlog of books.

[echo echo]

And a Han trilogy

[bright blade]

I just need to read more Legends in general, haha

[bright blade]

I'm fine, we have the movie

/s

[echo echo]

I don't think these would really be considered "Legends" in the sense that most people mean when they talk about Legends

[bright blade]

Legends of Legends

[echo echo]

Yeah

[bright blade]

Legends before old canon became Legends

Say that word enough and it starts sounding like it's not a real word

[echo echo]

A lot of the ideas that we associate with Star Wars did come from this time period and these odd stories (as well as the contemporary comics and newspaper strips), but when people talk about Legends they usually mean Heir to the Empire through 2015ish New Canon

[bright blade]

Yeah

[echo echo]

I will take this opportunity to once more shill the Star Wars Old Canon Book Club, which is a podcast working their way through all Star Wars media in publication order

[wispy vortex]

I will take this opportunity to once more shill for the Star Wars Legends read along in this channel

[bright blade]

My backlog of books to read is already at a dozen, but I will have to slip more Star Wars books into the mix. Starting with "Splinter of the Mind's Eye".

[silk solar]

I will take this opportunity to once more shill for myself, the premiere star wars expert in this channel

[autumn hemlock]

I was, but then my library ran out of books

[wispy lichen]

You can hop back in after we finish X-Wing!

[unkempt sail]

x-wing is a LOT of fun though!

also, most libraries do have a request a book system so you can do your community a favor and ask about getting them!

[supple star]

I know Splinter has ||The first confrontation between Luke and Vader, the first example of a Kyber crystal, though it is spelled differently, and a Luke/Leia romance side plot, or at least some sexual tension.|| Take that last one with a grain of salt as I’ve never read it.

That reminds me that last year I read the comic adaptation of the original Star Wars script, called The Star War. It was… weird and not very good. It was like if ANH was prequel quality.

[wispy lichen]

Done with Wraith Squadron! Gotta lock in and catch up lol

[unkempt sail]

Isard's Revenge 2 ||ah, so this is immediately after the Thrawn trilogy, and promotion finally catches up to General Wedge (lololol at his team also refusing promotions in the interim)||

IR 3 ||I don't remember Urlor Sette but oh noooooooo||

[supple star]

Skeleton Crew 5 ||Man, I love Jod’s “pep talk” to Wimm. Such a perfectly twisted version of Jedi philosophy for a selfish man like himself.||

[supple star]

Solo Command 10 ||Well yikes, I knew it wasn’t going to go well when Lara was found out, but that was worse. Donos is not doing good.||

[wispy vortex]

||He was the guy who first greeted Corran and brought him to meet Dodonna||

[supple star]

SC 12 ||The revenge prank on Janson was hilarious, yub, yub||

[unkempt sail]

side note, [legends general? + monster hunter] ||whenever I see Dodonna I can't help think of goodest boi dodogama||

[unkempt sail]

Someone's running Star Wars: Battlefront II on the AGDQ 2026 stage right now, and the couch has asked for Star Wars opinions in donations and someone said Heir to the Empire is the best SW media

[unkempt sail]

IR 6 ||Gavin's not even 20? he's such a babyyyy and he's talking about babies||

[supple star]

SC 14 ||All Hail Tonin, King of the mouse droids.||

||Yes, listen to King Tonin, Lara, concussions are bad.||

It’s interesting that the New Republic uses Star destroyers in legends but refuses to in canon. They even argued about recycling them in new ships.

I guess it has to do with the Tarkin Doctrine which I don’t know if it exists in legends.

[wispy vortex]

Does the Tarkin Doctrine exist in canon?

I know it’s in Legends

[supple star]

Oh ok so it exists in both.

Because the reason why the NR doesn’t use SD’s in canon is that the Imperial Class was designed specifically for terror. I know that it is a plot point in the video game Squadrons.

[wispy vortex]

It’s stupid to throw away all those ships and infrastructure

[supple star]

But from what I’ve read so far in Legends it seems to be more treated as just another type of ship.

[wispy vortex]

In Legends, ||they even developed new SD classes||

Minor NJO ||Like the Mon Mothma, even though it was technically an Imperial II, should have qualified as a new class||

[supple star]

True, though it could be argued that one of the canon NR’s flaws is not getting rid of enough of the Imperial infrastructure. But still think that refusing to use or even recycle into new ships, like the one from Squadrons, is kinda dumb.

[wispy vortex]

In Legends, the NR frequently retrofitted ties with shields and used them

[lavish flame]

The canon NR is a pretty terrible system that probably collapses on its own really fast anyways.

First order should've waited a decade or so.

TLJ ||Was palpatine on a timer of any kind?||

[wispy vortex]

Who knows

Doesn’t seem like it

[supple star]

Legends NR seems to not have nearly as many moral scruples about using Imp infrastructure as Canon and have less political difficulty with using it as well, probably because the Empire didn’t self destruct.

And while I do think that throwing it all away (to be stolen by Imp sympathizers for the Imperial Remnants and eventually the First Order) is a terrible idea, I do get why they wanted too. These weapons powered countless genocides and were symbols of the Empires cruelty. The NR wanted to distance themselves from the Empire as they tried to get more systems to join them, and it’s harder to do that when you using those same weapons.

[lavish flame]

I only vaguely remember the books, but isn't it a big theme in aftermath and bloodline that the NR is way too okay about just letting ex imperials work for them?

[supple star]

Yes, they don’t want to use the weapons, but are fine using the people who fired the weapons.

[wispy vortex]

Yep

Though a massive proportion of the Rebellion were ex imperials, so it’s hard to know where to draw the line

Han Solo, Wedge Antilles, Jan Dodonna, and so on

[supple star]

But even that is understandable. The NR didn’t really need the star destroyers but they did need bureaucrats to run the galaxy. And as Bean said a lot of the rebels were ex Imperial. What the NR ignored was that there was a difference between someone who leaves the empire, a great personal risk to join a small band of rebels and an opportunist who sees the change in the winds after the Emperor dies.

[lavish flame]

Someone who jumped during the rebellion vs someone who jumped when the empire had lost already should be seen very differently imo.

[lavish flame]

Yeah exactly.

And I feel like it's an obvious distinction to make.

Especially since it's not like they're being very subtle about it.

[wispy vortex]

Wait

I’m mixing up my books

One moment

Ignore what I said

Anyways, that happens in a lot of books

[supple star]

When you desperately need manpower to run a galaxy sized government, things like being a fascist tend to be ignored.

[lavish flame]

Yeah but then one would think that a large loyal military would come in handy too.

[wispy vortex]

Yeah

But Rebels can crew SDs just as easily as Imp naval officers

[supple star]

Yes it would have.

[wispy vortex]

Hell, the rebellion even used ex Trade Federstion Lucrehulk cruisers

[lavish flame]

In fact, one could argue that a large loyal military is necessary to keep those bureaucrats in check.

Did we get anything major about the NR before TFA?

I think maybe the first aftermath book?

I wonder if they just wrote their way backwards from the weird situation that exists in TFA.

[wispy vortex]

Probably

[supple star]

Well I think Aftermath was like the fourth new canon book too come out.

[lavish flame]

Yeah they wanted to quickly set a bottom benchmark to other writers. "Hey, if you go below this we'll fire you."

[wispy vortex]

Did anybody else read Alphabet Squadron and really dislike it?

It’s a poor man’s Wraith Squadron

[supple star]

You know I think the reason that the legends NR ||Doesn’t seem to face the same issues as Canon NR is that it is still fighting a war, and from what I know, once the empire is gone the Yuuzhan Vong show up, so they never even could demilitarize||

But that is just my theory.

[wispy vortex]

The canon NR just declared victory and demilitarized, and the First Order just walked in

[supple star]

Meanwhile Canon NR has to deal with ||Palpatines Contingencies causing the Empire to become a sucide bomb||

[wispy vortex]

But that was before the Empire fell

||That was right after Endor||

[lavish flame]

That's definitely the official explanation.

But imo it's not a good one.

Even the whole aftermath trilogy ||implosion at jakku didn't make sense to me because I remember, even at the time, thinking that both sides had too few numbers.||

[supple star]

I think ||the Contingencies make a lot of sense, considering Palps personality. Of course he wouldn’t want any else to have the galaxy if he couldn’t, and would create several intricate plans to punish those who tried.||

[lavish flame]

Yeah but that's not the actual reason now, to my understanding.

[supple star]

I can’t remember Jakku that well though, It has been forever since I’ve read those books.

[lavish flame]

||That's what he told Rax. But given that he planned to come back i think the intention is to make the whole thing a palps plan to make the NR soft for his return with the 500 death star star destroyers or whatever.||

[supple star]

Yeah, ||It was also to clear the way for his return. Which okay, fair enough but he should have returned earlier in that case, or maybe he couldn’t idk TRoS is bad||

[lavish flame]

||Iirc it's like one SSD and thirty SDs.||

[supple star]

That is my issue with a lot of the post Jedi canon stuff, there is all this good setup for something that already happened and was bad.

[lavish flame]

Good setup is a bit much.

Functional or acceptable would be my term.

[lavish flame]

||Also it's been like a year since endor but the new republic already has a functional way to repurpose old SDs into Starhawks by Jakku.||

I don't think it's ever brought up again.

[supple star]

Eh I like a lot of it ||such as the cloning experiments in Bad Batch and Project Cinder I find cool.||

I get it is not for everyone though

[lavish flame]

New canon general ||My problem with project cinder is that it's kinda functional at first glance but not really. Palpatine makes a ton of assumptions that just happen to go right but logically shouldn't have.||

||But it doesn't have the same feeling of a lucky gambler that the Prequels and Originals gave me with his original plan.||

||The entire plan feels very weird when it's read like a way to give the new republic a quick victory.||

||Logically, a long drawn out mess of a conflict to weaken and make both sides suffer seems like the surest bet.||

[wispy vortex]

Welp

Star Wars Starfighter ||has Jedi and lightsabers||

There goes that

[silk solar]

LMAO

i feel like reading any star wars plot description goes like “this is joe cool, smuggler, street rat, gets into bar fights. Divorced 3 times, has no respect for law also he is force sensitive.”

[supple star]

I mean I always kind of expected that, we knew it wasn’t going to be a fighter pilot movie or at least not completely.

||I am completely expecting the kid is force sensitive and that Rey will show up at the end.||

[wispy vortex]

If you want someone force sensitive do it like Rogue Squadron! ||Force sensitive main character, Luke is mentioned, but it’s not necessary or central to the plot. Not a single lightsaber shows up||

[dry herald]

There may be hope for more things where the force is a backseat with how well andor did

But that might just have been lightning in a bottle that Disney won't be able to replicate the quality of

Actually, I guess that's more likely than not the case

[supple star]

Finished Solo Command last night, ||I hope that Myn meets up with Lara after he receives her message.|| On to Isards Revenge.

||Wait since Donos transferred to the Rogues and this book takes place much later, I might find out how it ends between them.||

IR 1 ||Yay starting it off with Corran||

[supple star]

So this book starts ||at the very end of The Last Command||

IR 3 ||Corran, Mirax is not being subtle about what she wants ||

[supple star]

IR 4 ||I feel you right here Krennel, I too don’t like it when I have to punch in my passcode when Face ID doesn’t work. Although this is more like when a RFID tag doesn’t work.||

||They might have lightsabers and starships, but they still have to deal with chips not reading.||

IR 4 ||Oh this scene of Isard and Krennel talking about Thrawn’s “flaw” is rich. “Thrawn needed to be more needlessly ruthless.” And then they go and blame it on his race. Oh boy do these two suck. Krennel is little racist who got butt hurt by Thrawn Kicking him out and has the ego to think that he could have killed Thrawn. And it sure seems that Isard hasn’t learned her lesson and still thinks she’s the smartest person in the galaxy.||

||Oh so Krennel really sucks, he’s like a different level of racist (or is it speciesist).||

IR 6/I, Jedi ||Yes, he would do whatever it took to find you.||

[autumn hemlock]

RotJ ||New bad headcanon: in early scripts it was actually "Manny Both-hands" that died securing the DS2 intel, but someone suggested alluding to a new, unseen alien species and Lucas ran with it||

(on an unrelated note, I've gotten my hands on read along books, and am now up to WG)

[wispy vortex]

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Manuel_Both-Hanz

[bright blade]

No hecking way that was real

[wispy vortex]

Its from a parody comic

Never was canon

[bright blade]

...Reading the article clarifies it was a parody. Phew. I'm too invested in the story of the Bothan spies for it to be cast aside like that. 😆

"Manny Both-Hanz" is hilarious, though

[wispy vortex]

Legends ||Those Bothan spies caused so much damage to the Rebellion. Leading them into the trap, then giving the Bothans way too much political clout. Feyla alone...||

[bright blade]

||This is why I find their story interesting. I'd like to see it adapted into canon in some way.||

[golden flame]

[RotJ] ||was there anything suggesting they were an alien species in the movie? tbh I'd assumed it was just a spy group or something at first||

[autumn hemlock]

||I don't think so, from what I remember it was just Manny Both-Hanz "Many Bothans"||

[autumn hemlock]

Wedge's Gamble 6 ||I hope it never stops being funny how they keep mentioning "Corran's human partner <name> and her husband"||

[wispy lichen]

|| this is my girlfriend and her husband||

[cedar osprey]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you an actual poster for Revenge of the Sith

[unkempt sail]

IR 11 ||wow Fey'lya continues to be the worrrrrrrrst||

[wispy vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/the-worst-gif-13248078

[supple star]

Just got to chapter 11 of IR, and you can probably guess who I am hating right now.

||Seriously what is this guy’s problem. You know I figured that Isard or Krennel would be my most hated character of this book, but then this piece of poodo showed up.||

[wispy lichen]

@silk solar after reading RotS she succumbed to the curse

This is the funniest outcome

(For context: her patreon forced her to read RotS without having watched any Star Wars ever )

[silk solar]

its joever

[wispy lichen]

This video is so funny

[wispy vortex]

Star Wars claims another 😔

[wispy lichen]

RotS ||she became super ride or die for Ani even as it became clear he’d fall. She said “hey I might align with the Jedi philosophy but hey, you do you and I support you”. Then, it revealed he was Darth Vader who she knew by cultural osmosis was super evil and kills a ton of people and she crashed out. ||

[wispy vortex]

Lmfao

[wispy lichen]

The video was just her yelling for 35 minutes

She said Clone Wars soon so good luck to her

[silk solar]

can you imagine the cruelty of getting into star wars this way and then hitting the sequels

[wispy lichen]

I can actually see her getting into Legends is the best part

[silk solar]

100% merph will get into legends

her discord is locked in

[wispy vortex]

Imagine reading the novelization then watching rots

Completely different

[wispy lichen]

My dream is her getting to New Jedi Order because if she’s already stanning Stover, the day she reads Traitor will be amazing

[silk solar]

merph: i cant wait to watch star wars in live action. It has to be amazing!
everyone: well like yes, but also no

merph is normie enough where there is something affirming about her liking your favorite things

[wispy lichen]

She is also just so chill

Even when I disagree with her, I really like her

[wispy vortex]

I am so jealous of her bookshelves

God I want to somehow reorganize my room to fit more bookshelves

[wintry lark]

what was the other 1:24

[unkempt sail]

IR 16 || another death star pulsar station??||

[wispy vortex]

||They do love their superweapons||

[wispy lichen]

https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-galaxys-edge-disneyland-update

https://tenor.com/view/nfl-football-super-bowl-crying-cry-gif-16234037085777567056

The greats headed to Disneyland

We’re getting the original score

Remastered shops to have Rebels vs Empire

[wispy vortex]

Wild that they weren’t already there

[wispy lichen]

It’s bugged me for a while. It was because it was set during the sequel era

So now they’re ditching that and my dreams come true

[autumn hemlock]

I mean, they've ditched the sequel era, sure, but they're swapping it for not-actually-an-era

[wispy lichen]

But like being able to see DARTH VADER and LUKE and LEIA and R2D2

I will be sobbing in the park

[autumn hemlock]

Star Wars general ||They're saying (some amount of) it's post-RotJ, but there'll still be Vader...||

[wispy lichen]

SW ||it says span the events of RotJ so during RotJ||

[echo echo]

I did finally watch this. Proud of her for sharing my indifference to Luke

[wispy vortex]

Wait no

[autumn hemlock]

||Through Mando. They want Baby Yoda and Vader and refuse to accept that they're mutually exclusive.||

[wispy vortex]

this is the most insane part

Music has always been a key element of Galaxy’s Edge, and now, that soundtrack is expanding, too. As you wander through the market or stand under the Millennium Falcon, you’ll now hear themes from John Williams’ iconic score, pulled from the first six films. (That means that over in Oga’s, DJ R-3X will be spinning the beloved “Cantina Band.”)

How was that not a thing already??

[echo echo]

Also watching Merphy's video absolutely justifies the server spoiler policy

I understand never having seen Star Wars but not knowing some of the uh basics is

[wispy lichen]

Literally on the brink of tears about this I cannot emphasize how big this is for me

[autumn hemlock]

Personally, I have zero faith in the park rework. (It should be noted that the last time I went to a Disney was at least 25 years ago, and I was a child going to Epcot. I have no big nostalgic formative memories about Disney Worlds. There is a very good chance I just don't get it.)

[wispy lichen]

This is funny because they retconned it just there

[echo echo]

I have never been to a theme park. Closest I get is like, Six Flags (which is just rides), Schlitterbahn, or a zoo

[wispy lichen]

My birthday present every year is to go to Disneyland and I absolutely now will be going several times before then because GAHHHHHH

[autumn hemlock]

You should do a funny and litter the grounds with pro-legends propaganda

[wispy lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-excited-scream-screaming-fun-gif-16413707

[wispy vortex]

Want to go with me in May when they add the new mission? I haven’t been in years

[wispy lichen]

YES

[echo echo]

There's also like
Star Wars is so frustrating sometimes and watching someone (anyone) wander in with zero context and see the things that genuinely do make Star Wars genuinely special do serve as a needed reminder that you're not gaslighting yourself into thinking Star Wars is good, it actually is good

[autumn hemlock]

Someone with zero context, expecting to hate their introduction

They didn't sneak it into a normal book club read list, it was a book club hate read list

She got Trojan Horse'd into the fandom

[echo echo]

Part of why the prequels are so frustrating to me is that they have very good bones. The presentation is good, it has some good ideas, but there's some real holes in the execution that put it into the category of "you think about this for like two minutes and you have serious questions that threaten the entire story". Merphy saw the most charitable interpretation of these movies (I think it helped that she started with the RotS novelization) and I hope she never loses that

[wispy vortex]

@wispy lichen my lightsaber

[wispy lichen]

NICE

Let me grab mine

Fun fact: the first Jedi game let you build the hilts they sold in Disneyland, so you could make your saber in game look like your irl saber

[wispy vortex]

thats so cool

I want to build Corran's lightsaber but unfortunately you cant :(

[bright blade]

I want a lightsaber.

I'm not quite the Star Wars fan I used to be, but that desire has never left me. One of these days, I want to own the highest quality lightsaber I can, however expensive it is be darned.

However, 💵

[wispy lichen]

I built a plastic one that looks close to Mara Jade’s. I just have to paint it.

[wispy vortex]

ooo

from a kit or from scratch?

[wispy lichen]

In Disneyland. You can build plastic sabers just off of Star Tours.

[wispy vortex]

oh!

[wispy lichen]

https://www.starwars.com/news/lucasfilm-leadership

[silk solar]

“From Rey to Geogu” is cracking me up

[wispy lichen]

Since the preview isn’t loading

[wispy lichen]

Such a… impact

Say what you will: Filoni is a passionate fan but wouldn’t be good at running a company so this is pretty solid

[silk solar]

I thinks star wars should be led by a council of a star wars optimist, and pragmatist, and a pessimist. A monkeygirl, a kon, and a duck.

[wispy lichen]

This seems like an optimist and a pragmatist prob

[unkempt sail]

IR 23 ||oh nooooo more clone shenanigans, if I take Ysanne at her word?||

https://tenor.com/view/meonly-gif-19710542

||should I call the clone Ysaanne I wonder||

[echo echo]

I'll take "Star Wars Pragmatist"

[unkempt sail]

IR 24 ||https://tenor.com/xhZv.gif
Glad Wes is actually alive||

||hmmm no body for Asyr so maybe she also survived in a secret additional way||

[unkempt sail]

IR 26 ||ooh I do love some droid shenanigans, and Gate essentially repeating "never tell me the odds" with, "it's a waste to calculate the likelihood" or similar||

[unkempt sail]

IR 28 || "Whistler dodged around workers stacking crates on binary load lifters and shot down the ramp from the Worldhopper's cargo hold."||

||Talon!!||

[wispy vortex]

||My favorite smuggler||

[autumn hemlock]

Bacta War 6 ||It's funny how aggressively they're retroactively foreshadowing the Katana fleet (and other Thrawn trilogy things), it's almost as if the author was handed a glossary of concepts authors further in the timeline have insisted are common knowledge||

[wispy lichen]

BW 6 ||Stackpole was friends with Zahn and a fan of the HTTE trilogy lol||

[autumn hemlock]

||Gotcha, Zahn handed the glossary over in-person instead of mailing it||

[wispy lichen]

IF 10 ||
Kell is attacking a dummy. Lara is depressed
“Is that how you get rid of tension?” She asked.
“That’s right.”
“What do you do when you just want to scream?”
He pointed farther down the shaft. “Two blocks down, there’s a powered door to the left. It lead to a cross tunnel.”

The Wraiths are so unhinged 😭 They have a cry corner lmao||

[wispy vortex]

Every good base needs one

[wispy lichen]

Wraith Squadron series general ||especially with the number of anxious, depressed, manic, PTSD-suffering, and otherwise neurotic squad members ||

[wispy vortex]

||I really hate how much I relate to them ||

Wraith Squadron is one of my favorite series for a reason lol

[wispy lichen]

I for sure like WS more than RS because I like the team members better lol

Also I prefer Allston’s writing style

[unkempt sail]

They also have more fun missions, I think.

[Wraiths general] ||Yub, yub!||

[supple star]

IR 24 ||Booster just beat up Fey’lya, it was peak||

||Also I am so glad that Wes (and maybe Aysr I think they are talking about her in the bacta tank) are alive.||

But seriously I am so glad that ||Fey’lya got beat up. He deserved it so much||

[autumn hemlock]

Bacta War 13 ||Silly Corran, Bror Jace is dead! This must be Broor Jace!||

[autumn hemlock]

Bacta War 13 ||The way the whole Warlord Zsinj conflict is seemingly being handled in the background makes me wonder, does this franchise exist to fix canon errors?||

[cedar osprey]

Oh https://x.com/screentime/status/2012243455804948733?s=20

ScreenTime (@screentime)

Dave Filoni, who is taking over as co-president of Lucasfilm, disliked the 'ANDOR' series

(via: The Wrap)

X · Jan 16, 2026, 7:20 PM

[neon panther]

And doesn't that just tell you everything you need to know.

[autumn hemlock]

Yeah... I'll freely admit that Filoni's behind a lot of the Star Wars people loved between the prequels and today, but IIRC he's also behind a lot of the Star Wars decisions people are getting tired of...

[echo echo]

I'm also simply not gonna take that at face value without a quote

As far as I can tell, its citing an article from yesterday about him taking over, but its paywalled, and they're not providing a direct quote, which smells a lot like ragebait to me

There's a good 60-70% odds what he actually said was something like "man they pitched Andor as prequel to Rogue One which was a prequel to Episode IV and I really just didn't see the vision at the time" and they just reproduce that as "DAVE FILONI SAYS ANDOR BAD" and like, I guess?

Alternatively, he said "I really like space wizards and lightsabers" and they're saying he hates waffles

Could be anything

[neon panther]

Here's what it says in the article, according to reddit at least:

"It was also, according to an individual who worked inside Lucasfilm, a series that Filoni disliked."

So yeah, pretty baseless.

[echo echo]

And that's how internet misinformation happens

Lemme put it this way: even if Filoni did hate Andor, he'd have to be profoundly stupid to say it out loud

Beefing with an ardent audience of a relatively niche show that is extremely beloved by the people who like it is all downside no upside

[neon panther]

True, but I feel like it still wouldn't have been the worst decision Disney Star Wars has made.

But yeah, I should've checked first. I haven't even seen Andor anyway, lol.

[echo echo]

It wouldn't, but I do think that most of Disney's issues are organizational/corporate in nature, not dumb personal ones like this

Also, watch Andor

[neon panther]

Haha, I might someday. The Obi-Wan series was my 'last chance' for Star Wars, and well... so I was largely checked out when Andor came out.

[echo echo]

I also DNFd Kenobi

[neon panther]

I finished it, though it was mostly because I was watching it with family.

But I might have finished it out of spite anyway.

I was in the room one time when episode 1 of Andor was playing, and it seemed interesting. If I ever decide to get back in, I'll definitely give it a go.

[echo echo]

IMO you can safely watch Andor without like recommitting to Star Wars

[wintry lark]

It would probably work as an entry point to star wars

[wispy lichen]

Yeah… like people don’t have to be mad even if he didn’t like it because that doesn’t mean he as a creative won’t acknowledge the beed for storytelling outside of his own

So what if he likes Star Wars for wizards and magic, that doesn’t mean he doesn’t see the appeal of other aspects of it

[echo echo]

To be clear I don't know that that's what he said

There's just a lot of ways to take something innocuous and turn it into beef with Andor Enjoyers

And without a quote, I just don't wanna get baited that way

[wispy lichen]

For sure reads like clickbait yeah

[echo echo]

Aaaaaaaand it got deleted

Crazy the embed still works

[golden flame]

I imagine Discord caches it server-side

[cedar osprey]

Yeah it was fake

Should have probably researched it

Don’t know where those people got it from

[wispy lichen]

We’re starting the anti-Filoni clickbait early in his new role

[wispy lichen]

Filoni named a character Jacen to reference my favorite character

He gets a plus for that

[silk solar]

lmao

[wispy lichen]

Said character (Ahsoka) ||is also force sensitive, the son of major legacy characters, and (probably) going to train under Ezra Bridger ||
The vision is there

Filoni just needs to cook

[silk solar]

ashoka is getting a s2 right?

[wispy lichen]

Mhm

[wispy vortex]

Legends + Sequels ||And then he’ll turn evil and be one of the Knights of Ren of course||

[wispy lichen]

Jacen is like 95 percent of my fanart because he’s also pretty easy to draw

[echo echo]

I like Filoni as a creative force in Star Wars

[wispy lichen]

I agree.

[echo echo]

Not the only one, but I don't really see this going that way

If I'm being honest, I don't actually expect much to change

[wispy lichen]

He tells one type of story and has even said it is important to tell stories of childlike wonder AND stories that are more adult (like Andor). In this video, he talks about the importance of having different lenses for storytelling. (Starts at 20:25)

https://youtu.be/-CENNFcvRDo?si=Cy47BD0JZYQLDmqM

[wispy vortex]

Wait why haven’t you shown us your fanart!

[wispy lichen]

Because it’s dumb 😭

It’s just doodles not very good

[silk solar]

wait you have fanart

gib

[wispy lichen]

Let me find a good page

[wispy vortex]

Giveeee

[autumn hemlock]

MG took too long, so I present: Jacen in Paint

[wispy lichen]

No I sent it in yp because I had other arts too. Here it is:

[autumn hemlock]

Too late, I have already cursed the world with my creation

[lavish flame]

I feel like instead of Idc I'd say maybe.

I think he's clearly passionate about star wars and wants to do right by it.

But I think he's a fairly limited and safe storyteller.

I've never actively disliked anything I've seen from him. I'd even say liked most of what I've seen.

But I've never loved much of it either.

Particularly live action.

He feels like a safe reserve option kinda person who you use to guardrail and steer the risk takers.

But I don't think that's really what they're going for.

[cedar osprey]

Dave Filoni

I come in peace

And I offer a proposition

An animated adaptation of the Thrawn Trilogy

Pretty please

[unkempt sail]

Stayed up and finished Isard's Revenge last night! ||it felt a little jarring going back to Stackpole and the Rogues after the Wraith books- like there's a familiarity because Wedge and Corrin, hating on Fey'la etc. but I feel like the Wraiths are just more fun with each other. Was also funny with this set immediately after the Thrawn trilogy because I had to remember where things were when that ended, and remembering that all of the I, Jedi stuff hasn't happened yet even though this was published afterwards. (though looking it up... that was separated by months??? 1999 was apparently a year to cook, if I Jedi was January, Isard's Revenge in April, Phantom Menace in May, and Starfighters of Adumar in August...) Still a little skeptical of any kind of clone nonsense, but it was also nice to see Talon pop up.||

[unkempt sail]

Starfighters of Adumar 2/general ||huh it might get confusing when I, Daumari mention the Adumari while I read this... honestly my username was a riff on actual name where I didn't need to add numbers to my username on livejournal, and I've been carrying it around the web ever since

Anyway, more on topic to this book, also feels like a shift to have neither Rogue or Wraith squadron explicitly, but rather a smaller task force for a specific mission||

[cedar osprey]

Me personally I would have voted Monkeygirl as the new head of Star Wars

But that’s just me

[silk solar]

You just want to push your mara jade agenda

Single issue voter

[cedar osprey]

Monkeygirl would personally greenlight 5 seasons of a Mara Jade show

How can I say no to that

[wispy lichen]

I would institute a new timeline that follows Legends events but cuts the stupid stuff 😇

[wispy vortex]

The stupid stuff is half the fun!

You can’t tell me Legends would be better without Luuke

[wispy lichen]

Luuke isn’t stupid

Luuke works!

[wispy vortex]

It’s still a silly name!

[unkempt sail]

Isard's Revenge all ||I do wish they called clone!Ysanne Ysaane, but that would've required her to be aware she's a clone||

[wispy lichen]

Finished Iron Fist!

[wispy vortex]

I have once again hit peak nerd. We did an amateur production of Shakespearean Star Wars

[wispy vortex]

I was General Rieekan

[supple star]

I am reading Rise and Fall of the Galactic Empire right now. It’s really good.

Chapter 4 ||Hey, Ysanne’s father is mentioned||

[topaz cliff]

I need to finish reading that. The style of it kinda just doesn't vibe with me, idk

Like it's as boring as a history book without the real world value of learning history, imo

[wispy lichen]

<@&1396936875054203020> today we move onto our next book Starfighters of Adumar. Back to Aaron Allston.

Our next read is The Courtship of Princess Leia by Dave Wolverton.

[supple star]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g3608ZHapH4

[wispy vortex]

Oooo

[unkempt sail]

Finally watching the Merphy vid and I am flabbergasted she made it this long without knowing the whole ||Anakin-Vader|| thing but this video is adorable

[wispy lichen]

Solo Command 4 ||Myn PoV is a W||

||also? The dynamic of Myn picking between the revenge of his squad and a future of happiness with the idea of Lara (not knowing that Gara is alive both paths will lead to her), while Lara is ride or die, helping her squad until they find out the truth and kill her. It’s so juicy. ||

[wispy lichen]

https://youtu.be/oonACDq89BY?si=7029iZqqWjZ4k-98

It’s so pretty

[unkempt sail]

that looks really good

[wispy lichen]

I wonder if that is actually ||Darth Talon|| if so lmao

[wispy vortex]

God, that animation is gorgeous

Look at the backgrounds!

[wispy lichen]

It’s so pretty!

Bad Batch was gorgeous too but I think having such vibrant settings and characters helps a LOT

Plus ||the LIGHTSABERS ||

[wispy vortex]

Everything looks painted, I love it so much

I can’t wait

[wispy lichen]

Ahsoka / Maul ||I wonder if Maul kills Marrok||

[wispy vortex]

Interesting

You know, I can’t really tell when it’s set

[wispy lichen]

Between TCW and Rebels

Probably closer to TCW

[wispy vortex]

Yeah, but like ||established empire or new empire||

[wispy lichen]

Found this (Maul synopsis)
|| >>> Star Wars: Maul – Shadow Lord picks up after the events of Star Wars: The Clone Wars, for a pulpy adventure that finds Maul plotting to rebuild his criminal syndicate on a planet untouched by the Empire. There, he crosses paths with a disillusioned young Jedi Padawan who may just be the apprentice he is seeking to aid him in his relentless pursuit for revenge. ||

||sounds like immediately post TCW||

[wispy vortex]

Fun

[echo echo]

As much as Maul's ongoing existence (the character, not the show) is a meme unto itself at this point they truly have nailed his vibes in the post-prequel depiction of him

[wispy lichen]

https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-maul-shadow-lord-first-trailer-poster-art

[wispy lichen]

Yeah. I’m not super keen on like a ton of Maul content but this does look very well made and is a relatively untouched time for the character.

[wispy vortex]

Star Wars: Maul – Shadow Lord teaser poster
“Cinematography Lighting & VFX Director Joel Aron really took it up a notch with going back to the practical ways of capturing brush strokes by painting them on glass, shooting them then strategically placing them in shots,” says Executive Producer and Vice President of Lucasfilm Animation Athena Portillo. "He even went back to establishing matte paintings on canvas. There's always different challenges with every show that we do, but this one in particular raised the bar. We also wanted the animation body mechanics and the facial to be more fluid from our previous work and animation director Keith Kellogg worked closely with CGCG and our internal animation team to upgrade the performances of our main characters."

PEAK

[wispy lichen]

“We are having the best time working with Sam Witwer,” says Rau. “He brings so much depth to the character of Maul and with his knowledge of Star Wars, he's been a really awesome collaborator to keep Maul authentic for us.”

Sam is so funny lmao

Art Director Andre Kirk and Rau worked together to design the tea set. “There is a moment in the animation where Maul is conducting a Tea Ceremony with Devon and you can see the nuances in Maul's performance that Sam Witwer learned while he attended an actual tea ceremony in Japan," Portillo added.

Interesting

[echo echo]

Yeah this falls firmly into the category of Star Wars where like I don't need this and I'm certainly not the one asking for it but I will absolutely take it

[wispy vortex]

He streams old Star Wars games on Twitch

[wispy lichen]

He’s a big SW nerd. I really like him.

[wispy vortex]

Me too

[wispy lichen]

This feels so much like the concept art of what Star Wars was meant to be but hasn’t fully embraced up until now

Lots of concept type ideas that George Lucas even always wanted

The Japanese samurai influence, the ||Darth Talon character in duo with Maul||, the Underworld with ||Maul|| as a villain

Okay but this coming out helmed by Dave Filoni immediately post transition of leadership is funny to me

Like if this is the sort of stylized, dynamic thing we can get I’m ecstatic

From the description

Reference to the Sith code

[autumn hemlock]

NGL, those are like the big sentences you don't want to use when you're announcing your megacorp that gobbles up megacorps has an exclusive show

[unkempt sail]

yeah, my first thought was, "oh this joins Arcane in the "Animation for Adults" pantheon"

[wispy lichen]

I think this will capture a general audience better than other SW animation

[wispy vortex]

Idk, it being Maul makes it more for fans

[unkempt sail]

though from the merphy vid, I do remember her bemoaning that there wasn't more Maul and thinking, "well. I wonder if she's into animation..."

[wispy lichen]

She mentioned watching TCW with her son too lol

I thought about Merphy seeing the Maul trailer earlier too haha

[echo echo]

Speaking of, a sequel
https://youtu.be/j-gMYjE5vbg

Or rather, a prequel

[wispy lichen]

She’s cooked

She even has a Star Wars shirt

The more she talks about connection and the force the more I am desperate for her to read New Jedi Order lol

[echo echo]

Honestly she's on pace

[autumn hemlock]

Quick, someone sneak her into the server and the Star Wars Readalong

[echo echo]

Something about the "WOW" in that thumbnail has an Owen Wilson vibe to it

[wispy lichen]

We’re almost there! Lol

Also Phantom Menace ||I love that Merphy is seeing the “what if Qui Gon trained Anakin” thing because yes yes yes that is exactly the takeaway from TPM||

She talked about wanting to read the Darth Bane books too now lol

[unkempt sail]

lol I actually have read the phantom menace novelization (on the shelf behind me) but it's been a while

ok I must've read it in middle school because my goodreads notes an AR test score... ah, 2004

[wispy vortex]

They are sooo good

[bright blade]

This looks cool. Initially, I'd question why anyone felt the need to make a show about a character who's already been so overexposed and overdone, but if I recall correctly, Sam Witwer is one of the creative leads on this project, so I believe in its potential. The animation looks phenomenal, as ever.

[wispy lichen]

Re: Merphy, It’s so fun to see someone new to Star Wars enjoying a lot of the things that excite me about Star Wars

[topaz cliff]

One thing that's so fun to me about reading star wars books is when an unfamiliar species is named and you look it up and find out that it's the ugliest freak you've ever seen

[wispy vortex]

Lmao

[topaz cliff]

Today's example: heptooinian

[wispy vortex]

Who did you find

They’re not ugly!

[echo echo]

Its the hair

Criminal

[wintry lark]

I don't think every heptooinian has the same hair

[topaz cliff]

The one in the book is an old lady with gray hair

But that face

[echo echo]

I feel like the starting point here should have been no hair

[wispy lichen]

Me when I looked up a Wraith Squadron character and it was just horse

[echo echo]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-destiny2-bungie-30th-anniversary-drifter-gif-24001545

[unkempt sail]

and small for his species, they say! he is on the newer release cover for Solo Command lol

[dense lance]

that is a hilarious cover

[glad mason]

Against my will I am hyped for the maul trailer

The animation looks good and it has maul in it

[wispy lichen]

2026 is the year Star Wars gains new fans

Reminder this also happened

[glad mason]

Merphy Napier never misses

[wispy lichen]

I love her so much her arc as a content creator has been hysterical

She went from your average fantasy booktuber to now being down for anything

[glad mason]

She also got into one piece lmao

[wispy lichen]

Yeah lol

Now she has a dedicated manga channel 😭

[silk solar]

It was actually her main channel she converted to anime and manga. Her current book channel is newer

[golden flame]

trying to get back into SWTOR, and while I'm overall liking it, I haven't had to play a game with the misleading dialogue wheels in a while and I forgot how much I hate it 😭

[SWTOR, Coruscant, quest ||"For Better Or For Worse"||] ||

Woman: "Yeah I felt awkward about breaking up with my husband so I pretended I got kidnapped and sold as a sex slave to cover his gambling debts."
Me: "Okay, what the hell, let's pick the option saying to go back and tell him, because seriously wtf??"
Character: "GET BACK TOGETHER OR I WILL MURDER YOU."
Me: "...Not what I intended but let's try to make the best of this... let's pick the option telling him not to lose her again because he needs to fix things."
Character: "haha lmao better keep an eye on her next time so she doesn't run away again!"
||

and of course because it's an online game I can't just reload my save when this stuff happens... 😔

curious to see eventually how different the class storylines end up being
I don't really remember much about my original run to compare, but I can't imagine there'd be much plot overlap with what I've seen of this run so far

though I've heard in the expansions the differences mostly get flattened?

[restive bluff]

If you press escape it quits the cutscene and you can restart normally

[restive bluff]

Yeah the only overlap in class stories is which planets you go to so you might redo certain side quests but the main missions are different, the expansions are the same for everyone apart from a few references to what you used to do or certain established relationships if you meet someone you already know

I should get back to SWTOR I haven’t played the latest update yet

[wispy lichen]

I need to finish the BH and SA classes

And the expansions

[golden flame]

Oh awesome, thanks

Didn't realize you could do that during conversations

[golden flame]

I think later this year they intend to wrap up the current storyline and begin a new "era"?

[copper kite]

Language || https://www.tumblr.com/macabre-muses/805830585831620608/vader-every-time-he-came-across-3po-and-r2-during ||

melodrama.

vader every time he came across 3po and r2 during the war probably...

Tumblr · Jan 15, 2026, 5:58 PM

[wispy lichen]

TBB S3 || @restive bluff I was convinced it was Tech but nothing happened so y’know what… I respect it. ||

||I thought they would all die in S3 but it was such a nice ending for everyone ||

[restive bluff]

||I could see the arguments for it but I refused to believe because I wanted it to be an actual impactful permanent death ||

[wispy lichen]

TBB S2 ||it was actually crazy watching that finale when everything went to hell. It came out of nowhere. ||

||like there were hints and then the finale dropped and ||

[restive bluff]

||All Saw Gerrera’s fault fr 😔 ||

[topaz cliff]

These are bad batch tags, to be clear

[wispy lichen]

oops didn't realize I didn't tag that. I'll go through and fix that.

[bright blade]

One chapter into Splinter of the Mind's Eye and I already like Alan Dean Foster's writing style.

Not that I wish Empire Strikes Back didn't happen, heck no, but it would have been cool to get a film adaptation of Splinter of the Mind's Eye too, I think.

I like to imagine a future day when Disney and Lucasfilm are low on money and running out of ideas, so they make a low budget adaptation of it and it's poetic justice come full circle. Is that so silly of me to think about?

[wintry lark]

It would have been a better choice for a TV movie than the Holiday Special

[dry herald]

Weird, part of your message is missing

[bright blade]

Absolutely

Kind of funny how the original Star Wars got three distinct direct sequels.

1. A holiday special everyone hated being a part of
2. A novelization of what would have been a low-budget sequel
3. An actual big budget sequel

[silk solar]

@wispy lichen ashoka ||so this is just based on vibes, but isnt all of this show just getting thrawn to the point where he can do stuff later||

[wispy lichen]

||pretty much yeah. It’s also setting up for the Mortis gods plotline of S2||

||and getting Ezra back to the main galaxy to train Jacen ||

[silk solar]

Hmm

Ashoka ||does ashoka do anything in this show||

[wispy lichen]

Ahsoka ||she gets sad and then changes to a white fit||

||she’ll probably end up doing more in S2 with the World Between Worlds and the Mortis gods ||

[silk solar]

Interesting

[echo echo]

Ahsoka ||the show committed what I consider to be a significant act of self-sabotage calling itself Ahsoka. I expect she'll be more active next season but she wasn't really the main character of her own show hardly, the Ghost crew is||

Attack of the Clones ||It continues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxMNIMPcSA ||

[unkempt sail]

Re: Ahsoka ||I also want Wes Chatham to do more because I love Amos in The Expanse but here he's been Phasma'd to "cool armored character in the background for action figure purposes"||

[wispy lichen]

I love Ahsoka but it is just Rebels S5

[bright blade]

I like the Ahsoka show because I loved Rebels.

Unfortunately, if you haven't seen Rebels, there's not much point in seeing Ahsoka. So if it's for you, it's for you.

[unkempt sail]

I haven't seen Rebels so when we watched ScreenCrush recaps it was like ok, this is what we missed lol. I will get to it at some point

Starfighters of Adumar 10 ||it is funny to see Wedge & Co thrown on this court intrigue duel-happy planet, but maaaaaaan do they have a point about how maybe we shouldn't prop up a dictator set on conquest in order to bring them into the Republic||

[supple star]

SoA 4 ||Their court outfits are amazing, also blastswords are really cool||

[dry herald]

Yeah, that's fair. I enjoyed ahsoka overall, besides ||the reliance on purgills. I hate those things, and the ending of rebels with them felt like such a copout. So I was not happy to see them again||

[wispy lichen]

Ahsoka ||I like them because of how funny they are||

[unkempt sail]

sci fi general joke ||I thought space whales were more of a Trek thing so when they showed up in Ahsoka I thought, "oh that's going to muddy the waters a bit"||

[wispy lichen]

SC 14 ||

Tonin decided that it might be a good thing to be the King of the Droids. He was now a mighty leader, in command of hundreds of utility droids aboard Iron Fist.||

||this was such a funny line||

[wispy lichen]

SC 16 ||the Ewok can fly lets gooooo ||

||yub nub||

[wispy lichen]

Done!

[wispy vortex]

yay!

[wispy vortex]

How good is Empire at War?

[autumn hemlock]

The game?

I'm pretty sure it's often regarded as one of the Good random Star Wars spin-offs

[unkempt sail]

Oh, I finished Starfighters of Adumar yesterday- ||it was nice narrowing the focus to just Wedge and pals instead of following a whole squadron, especially putting him out of his element in a diplomacy situation. I don't totally get how Tomer went rogue on the Intelligence end of things because like. someone would notice if Wedge died and to be fair that IS when it all falls apart for him so idk. Nice to see Wedge and Iella get together||

Borrowing Courtship from a friend because I think that's next on the schedule iirc

[wispy vortex]

||Yeah, but they wouldnt know it was Tomer's fault||

[wispy lichen]

Courtship is next, yeah

[lavish flame]

Modded empire at war is really good.

[wispy lichen]

(Note: I am on Isard’s Revenge 😛 )

Maybe I’ll catch up this week

[wispy lichen]

<@&1396936875054203020>
Time for our next book! We will be reading the Courtship of Princess Leia by Dave Wolverton.

In two weeks we will be starting the Hand of Thrawn! It begins with Specter of the Past by Timothy Zahn. If you were reading along for the Thrawn Trilogy, this is a sequel to that! It’s a great duology and I recommend all our Star Wars readers try to hop back in for it. (And if you want to read New Jedi Order, Thrawn Trilogy -> Hand of Thrawn duology are essential!)

Finally hitting HoT is peak

We’re almost there 🔥

I gotta get caught up to read that one live

[wispy vortex]

But first, Courtship

[dry herald]

Oh nice, hand of thrawn is pretty dang good

[unkempt sail]

Courtship 3 ||oooh a marriage plot!! And also Luke doing something re: witches of Dathomir, very exciting. Is this where they are introduced???||

[echo echo]

||Believe it or not they come from one of the Ewok movies and the witch is like a traditional normal witch||

||The nightsisters aren't quite as old as the Mandalorians but they are similar in that they are some of the oldest third party factions in Star Wars that people keep coming back to because the vibes are so good||

[wispy vortex]

@glad mason As brother orders with mutual respect, not rivals

[wispy lichen]

@glad mason that’s literally the New Jedi Order series 😭

[wispy vortex]

Kyp vs Luke

[wispy lichen]

Yup

Good resolution to that conflict too

Everyday people say “I wish Star Wars did this thing” and my answer is “New Jedi Order” 😭

While I’m glazing, look at these cool NJO covers from the Japanese editions

[wispy vortex]

Xwings always look so sick

[wispy lichen]

||Corran|| looks so cool on the 2nd one

[wispy vortex]

Really funny perspective though

He’s behind Jaina but so much bigger lmao

[wispy lichen]

Makes her look even younger lol

[glad mason]

Nah they should drive each other crazy

[wispy vortex]

Then one will turn to the dark side like always

[glad mason]

Nothing drives people to hatred as much as people on the same side with mildly different opinions

[wispy vortex]

Which is boring

[glad mason]

Lack of conflict is also boring

I think they can disagree and genuinely dislike each other without going to the dark side

[glad mason]

I also do think that the dark side is just use of the force without emotional control or discipline

[echo echo]

Camille is really looking for Leftist Infighting But Make it Space Monk

[bitter trail]

we already have Leftist Infighting at home 😤

[glad mason]

Pre existing leftist infighting has never stopped more leftist infighting

[echo echo]

https://tenor.com/view/the-hobbit-breakfast-hungry-again-what-about-second-breakfast-gif-8224930

[wispy lichen]

[wispy lichen]

Camille you’re not gonna believe this

[silk solar]

You know these “what are the force” convos are not the same without naru

[glad mason]

But what are the force

[wispy lichen]

Legitimately tho, my fav depictions of the force are KOTOR 2 and NJO Traitor

[glad mason]

You’re making me want to read njo

[wispy lichen]

Let me pull up some quotes from it

[echo echo]

I am enormously Qui-gonpilled which is always a surprise to me every time I'm reminded of it

[wispy lichen]

That is enormously based

(And Merphy Napier agrees lol)

[silk solar]

Idk why the force cant just have different interpretations in different stories

Like a real religion

[echo echo]

I mean functionally it does

[silk solar]

My vibe is that this is more accident and inconsistency than a narrative choice

[wispy lichen]

This is what it is tbh

[echo echo]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-ross-pointing-nod-gif-13127635

[glad mason]

Yeah I want the force to remain ambiguous and messy, with different interpretations based on the sect

[echo echo]

Even the soft veto on midichlorians has in the long term worked out to be more success than failure

Of course people would try and Dragonball the Force. Someone would, the galaxy is large

I think the reality is that to some extent, we all know what the Force is when we see it

[wispy lichen]

New Jedi Order Traitor

|| Vergere: "Light and dark are no more than nomenclature: words that describe how little we understand. What you call the dark side is the raw, unrestrained Force itself: you call the dark side what you find when you give yourself over wholly to the Force. To be a Jedi is to control your passion…but Jedi control limits your power. Greatness—true greatness of any kind—requires the surrender of control. Passion that is guided, not walled away. Leave your limits behind."
Jacen: "But—but the dark side—"
Vergere: "If your surrender leads to slaughter, that is not because the Force has darkness in it. It is because you do."
Jacen: "Me? No—no, you don't understand—the dark side is, it's, it's, don't you see it? It's the dark side. The dark side…"
…

Sith? Jedi? Are these the only choices? Dark or light, good or evil? Is there no more to the Force than this? What is the screen on which light and dark cast their shapes and shadows? Where is the ground on which stands good and evil?||

[echo echo]

Everyone has their perspective on it but pretty collectively we know when someone has majorly stumbled in trying to describe it

[wispy lichen]

NJO Traitor ||Vergere largely argues the “dark side” is used as an excuse to say you aren’t the kind of person who would do bad things. Rather than a cosmic battle of light vs dark, it is an internal battle against yourself||

[wispy lichen]

My ideal Star Wars is anything with strong arguments for different views on the force

[wispy lichen]

Some of it is really bad but at it’s best it is the best Star Wars can be

[wispy vortex]

Join usss

[wispy lichen]

We’re group reading it soon

[dense lance]

the Force is One. Any semblance of will or "sides" is the result of the collective will of sentient beings

Star Wars posits that sentient beings, and especially sapient brings, have two sides which are reflected by the Force. I personally think that's boring. More sides!

At least three

[dense lance]

Like so

[dense lance]

Sad there's never been a story about mystics trying to "expand the Force" through promoting different virtues in the masses

[bright blade]

Spectre of the Mind's Eye Chapter 2 ||You can really tell this is an old Star Wars book from how it really lays on the romantic tension between Luke and Leia. It's a wee bit squicky, but hey, they didn't know. Not the characters, nor the author, nor even the original creator at that point.||

[spare frost]

im gonna sleep but

ive watched all the star wars movies - ewok ones and the noteworthy star wars shows

tier list tommorrow

[unkempt sail]

Courtship 5 ||...lol Han won Dathomir over sabacc?? I uhhh, feel like the Zabrak might have some opinions.

Leia feels off to me, but maybe that's because I'm forgetting that this is immediately after Solo Command but before Thrawn trilogy. Maybe I was too focused on Wraiths/Gara that I didn't pay as much attention to Han, but he didn't seem as anxious- maybe Leia having another suitor has rattled him THAT much||

[spare frost]

items in tiers are in order

[supple star]

Uhhh I umm what is this

[silk solar]

TLJ in A and TFA in F is a bold take

[spare frost]

TLJ is just amazing visually

[wispy vortex]

||So this was published 4 years earlier than Wraith Squadron||

[unkempt sail]

||Yeah, it does feel like an earlier work and Allston felt like he was connecting to preexisting things||

[restive bluff]

[cedar osprey]

https://youtu.be/sNAYYOYar5U?si=qLazAwkyHUKmp2Cq

DO YOU GUYS REMEMBER TAUN TAUNS AHHAHAHHA

I REMEMBER

-# seriously what is this marketing

[supple star]

It has a weird vibe. Like it is a tie in advertisement rather than a teaser

Perhaps it would be better with a Cevara Crystal (I think that is what it is called)

[topaz cliff]

cerveza cristal

[unkempt sail]

Vaguely like the Budweiser Clydesdales I figured, but in space

[spare frost]

This movie is gonna be the worst bit of star wars ever

i am calling it

holiday special bad

(which is probably better than a lot of disney star wars because of hart and seoul or whatever)

[bright blade]

Huh? I was waiting for this to tie into an ad for something else.

You know what they should have brought into the Mandalorian series to keep it interesting?

Durge.

A live-action debut of Durge.

I think that would have been the coolest thing.

[wispy vortex]

How is that not a beer ad

[bright blade]

Or Ford, maybe.

It just screams "Super Bowl Ad" and you're waiting for a product placement, and there just isn't one. It's just a very Super-Bowl-Ad themed trailer for The Mandalorian and Grogu. It's weird.

I wanted to be hopeful about this movie, but its advertising isn't doing it any favors 😬

[supple star]

Apparently it is actually meant to be a parody of a beer commercial. Like that was the actual point. But the idea is so absurd that nobody got the joke.

[supple star]

Looking it up it is literally a homage to a Budweiser ad.

[golden flame]

I have seen nothing else about the movie or its marketing, so maybe in context it feels lamer, but I thought this was funny

[bright blade]

There's been one other official trailer for it, right?

[spare frost]

im probably gonna wait till it comes to streaming tbh i did not like the mandalorian after they introduced grogu

[dry herald]

Wait, do you mean the name grogu, or the character as a whole? As you might as well say the whole show if you mean the character as a whole as that was like, episode 1

[unkempt sail]

yeah, it's just star wars Lone Wolf and Cub

[spare frost]

chracter as a whole

[wintry lark]

So in other words, you didn't like The Mandalorian

[wispy vortex]

I really think it’s hampered by Grogu

[warm thicket]

I'm in the same boat, really. My old roommate and I watched a decent amount of it and I hated Grogu so much the entire time

[wispy vortex]

Mandalorian ||He should have been written out with Luke. Not brought back||

[spare frost]

Mandalorian ||god i hate they went this way||

||tbh all of mando s3 was just bringing back people that shouldnt have been||

[echo echo]

I didn't like season 3 as much as I liked season 2 and I didn't like season 2 as much as I liked season 1 but even s3 I'm mildly positive on

Season 1 and the last episode of season 2 are peak Star Wars

Season 3 falling off from the heights of previous season (and, I think, suffering the consequences of BoBF being as bad as it was) kind of took the lid off "MANDO WAS ALWAYS A BAD SHOW ACTUALLY" crowd and that is so far from where I'm at with it

Mando's great

[spare frost]

my take on mando ois that s1s great when grogus not in it and 2 is kinda mid anf went in a bad directionand 3s pretty bad

[wispy lichen]

I agree with this statement

Mandalorian ||I also agree that Grogu should have just stayed with Luke ||

[autumn hemlock]

Mandalorian ||I decided to pass on S3 after I heard S2.5 was hidden in BoBF and BoBF was mid-to-bad, so from my perspective, Grogu never came back from daycare Luke!||

[unkempt sail]

Courtship 6 ||oh no a Threepio point of view||

||WTF Threepio||

[wispy vortex]

Star Wars summarized

[unkempt sail]

||King of Corellia???||

||a pirate king????||

Courtship 7 ||oh no the compulsion gun gets used||

[wispy vortex]

||Every time I read it it’s horrifying. He literally mind controlled her to kidnap her.||

[autumn hemlock]

I, Jedi 42 ||Man, as someone that hasn't read the books this book is woven throughout, the first like 2/3s of it have been pretty rough. It turns out, the secret side story a character is going on doesn't really work as a standalone work if you aren't familiar with the main story it's woven around.||

||Things have really been coming together since Corran infiltrated the pirates though, I'm guessing there are fewer stops along the way the author felt he needed to hit||

[wispy vortex]

||The problem is, the other stories are really bad and this was an attempt to retcon it to be better.||

||In the original books, there was no real pushback against Luke and the terrible decisions he makes||

[autumn hemlock]

I, Jedi 42 ||I also wasn't really a fan of how basically all of Luke's Jedi teachings were bracketed with direct call-backs to the movies. It really felt like the author was making excuses for why a given power is allowed to exist, rather than letting it justify itself.||

[supple star]

Hey someone fixed the Mandalorian and Grogu tv spot https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H5zQBwmQ2sE

[bright blade]

I can hear it without clicking

[unkempt sail]

Courtship 15 ||So this was published in 1994, but the Thrawn trilogy was already out so I'm kind of surprised Luke hasn't thought about Mara unless Wolverton just didn't do much with Zahn stuff.

"Your people cast them out of the sky for their crimes, and sent them here. The warriors were given no weapons - no metal, no blasters. So they fell prey to rancors." Teneniel half-closed her eyes. She'd heard the story so many times that now she envisioned that different past, saw the prisoners sent to Dathomir. They were violent people who had committed gross crimes against civilization and who, therefore, merited only a life civilization. Manny of the prisoners considered themselves above the law and thought of their weapons only as toys. So the ancients had considered it just to strand thenlm on a world without technology.

So Dathomir is Australia, got it ||

[unkempt sail]

Courtship 16 || oh no a Threepio musical number on King Solo||

||also way-too-early ship prediction is Teneniel x Isolder||

Courtship 17 ||Ok, well, I guess I could've just read to the next chapter||

[wispy lichen]

Courtship 15 || a lot of the Legends authors aren’t quite as good at reading other stuff and so Mara being important to Luke is less of a thing in most of the early post Thrawn books ||

Finished Isard’s Revenge

Gotta lock in

[wispy lichen]

Starfighters of Adumar 1 || starting off with the immediate (and actually in line with previous books) choice to rationalize Wedge x Qwi Xux lmao. Based Allston. ||

legends gen ||this is a nicer retcon than either Stackpole or Zahn do||

[unkempt sail]

legends gen ||this is like an Operation Paperclip equivalent Imperial defector lady from the Jedi Academy trilogy, right? I vaguely remember her being mentioned in I, Jedi or something||

[wispy vortex]

Jedi Academy ||Basically, she was an extremely naive genius that Tarkin took from her planet as a child and raised to develop weapons under the guise of mining machines and such.||

[wispy lichen]

Legends gen ||yeah she got mentioned as like a momentary fling in I, Jedi. In JAT she gets rescued from the Maw Installation (secret facility under Tarkin where they designed the death star) and then gets brain blasted by Kyp. Wedge is her protector throughout the books and they have a romance that doesn’t make much sense. ||

[unkempt sail]

Courtship 17 ||Mother Rell greets Luke by name and asks about his wife and kids, which he definitely does not have at this point in the timeline (and I don't know that he ever does have kids?) so this is some Future Sight force power I assume.||

[wispy lichen]

SoA is fun so far

[unkempt sail]

Courtship, general thought ||The Dathomiri seem to be humans so far- I'm guessing the Zabrak connection was added after Phantom Menace to explain Darth Maul?||

[autumn hemlock]

Wraith Squadron 14 ||Man, we get the background on the Rangers, and I'm once again reminded about how much cooler the Clone Wars could've been...||

[wispy lichen]

SoA 7 || the Iella relationship is so well written||

SoA + Legends gen ||I am again amazed at how smooth this retcon is working, mostly because it is accepting the writing of JAT and moving with it rather than just saying “nah lol”||

[wispy lichen]

Really enjoying this one

Probably my fav of the X-Wings

[wispy lichen]

@silk solar she’s actually cooked

[silk solar]

God its over

Just give her NJO now and wreck her life

[wispy lichen]

It’s not just the fact she’s reading the 6 mainline SW movie -> book adaptions. It’s how she’s been making videos about them

And the turnaround rate lol

She started the Clone Wars 😭

[unkempt sail]

Courtship 22 ||it occurs to me the gendered society on Dathomir reminds me a bit of Wheel of Time's attempted genderplay on matriarchal leaning societies, especially with everyone weirded out that Luke is a male witch.||

[unkempt sail]

Courtship 24. Wraith Squadron general ||y'know, I've been wondering when Zsinj was going to come into the picture- he's so involved in the Wraith Squadron but given the publication dates, maybe that's a case of Allston writing cool plots involving existing characters from efore||

[wispy vortex]

||A good amount of my hatred of the book is how we have to come here for that closure||

[unkempt sail]

Courtship 26, Solo Command all ||maaaaaan I really appreciate Allston giving Han more motivation/reason to go after Zsinj because "stop trespassing on my planet" feels like a very thin reason for Han to try to shoot down the Iron Fist||

courtship general up to here ||mmm ok paging back to the first chapters we did open on Solo leaving a battle with Zsinj forces but it's more like "this is another warlord that we've been fighting against" whereas in Wraith it felt like he was a major antagonist||

[unkempt sail]

Finished. Kind of feels weird reading it after Wraith even though chronologically within story, it makes sense... ||like I can tell that it's an earlier Star Wars novel than what we read, but so were the Thrawn books and those felt like the characters as they were in film, whereas Leia and Han feel a bit more flighty and petulant here. a LOT of interesting concepts with the Dathomiri force users and the Hape system, like I was thinking of how The Acolyte portrayed a coven of witchy Force users as I read this. I really didn't like the motivation for putting Han and Leia on Dathomir ("I'll coerce you to check out this planet I just won and give you a week to decide you love me again!" is... not what a decent partner would do). In hindsight, Allston did a really great job connecting to pre-existing work and fleshing out the Warlord situation with Zsinj filling in a power vacuum of the Empire in some places- maybe I'd think more of this if I hadn't read his additional characterization/backstory.||

[unkempt sail]

I asked my husband what he likes about Courtship and he says ||rancor-riding witches|| which, valid. That's super cool to a 12 year old

[wispy lichen]

Yeah Courtship is the only book on the list until we hit || Agents of Chaos || in New Jedi Order that I’ve heard bad things about

[autumn hemlock]

Iron Fist 2 ||Alright, time for me to make dramatic predictions! Gara will turn out to be the expert slicer that enabled the ambush that wiped out Talon Squadron. Furthermore, she's going to get in a relationship with Myn Donos, and he'll eventually find out.||

[wispy vortex]

||That first part you already know from book 1||

[autumn hemlock]

||I don't think they'd ever actually said it was her, they just laid the groundwork for the possibility. I could be wrong though.||