#Media (General)

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muted solar
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I still clicked to see how close by it was. But yeah. I’ll sing along to the soundtrack at home lol

ivory night
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It depends on the level of traffic for me. If it’s 6 am and there are no cars it’s fine. If I’m stuck in traffic for an hour I want to die

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And there is always traffic here

muted solar
keen flax
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Woahhhh you drive a stick shift? Thats pretty cool

ivory night
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Me driving stick on 95 or the Merritt - oh it’s time for 3rd gear— and instantly back down to first

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But I don’t drive stick because

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muted solar
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I really need to teach her how to drive my car lol. Life just keeps being busy

ivory night
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The only time I’ve wanted a stick shift is for the gear change that needs to happen when I get on this one highway but doesn’t quite get there sometimes if traffic is going a little slower than normal and I’m just stuck in a lower gear

muted solar
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I used to love driving stick but honestly now I’m indifferent. Still can be fun but automatics are nice

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Still going to run my current car into the ground though

ivory night
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Like my guess is it would become subconscious but having to start thinking about the clutch and what revs I’m at seems tiring lol

muted solar
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Oh yeah it becomes 100% subconscious lol

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Quite quickly as well. I have been driving a stick for… 14 years now? And I can’t remember the last time I had to think about any of that

ivory night
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-# I’d have to override the same length of not driving stick

azure fern
ivory night
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I can go to first or second but that’s it lol

azure fern
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uh, well, now that we're talking about it I got no idea what the limitations are cause I've never manually went up or down xD

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Like Spooky, I also learned to drive on a stick, but then didn't drive for 10 years after getting my license LUL

ivory night
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Or occasionally knock the shifter into neutral by accident while driving

azure fern
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so next time I picked up a car was auto

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I still barely drive nowadays

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veering back into channel topic, lmao Cosmic, YT just recommended this to me xD

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ivory night
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I can’t wait to watch her suffer through watching it

azure fern
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well, she first gotta pay for it 🤣

muted solar
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That got recommended to me too. I haven’t watching it.

Dragon prince was so rough after season 3

azure fern
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otherwise there will be nothing to watch

muted solar
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They dropped the ball so badly on that show

azure fern
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KS hasn't launched it 🤔 . There are 14 hundred people 'following' it though

ivory night
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Season 1: animation so janky it’s distracting
Season 2-3: fine
Season 4: 3 year hiatus boring stopped watching

muted solar
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You aren’t missing anything

azure fern
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I too watched up to S3, and while animation improved, writing got worse imo

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S3 was particularly bad iirc

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well...S1 writing wasn't particularly good anyway, but it was more than passaple

muted solar
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Dragon Prince through season 3 || Honestly I just remember the Aaravos stuff in season 3 being compelling ||

full wolf
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The only parts of TDP I like watching are the parts with Aaravos in them and there just aren't enough of those

muted solar
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Writing was always pretty rough

full wolf
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Lol spooky

azure fern
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xD

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lets all be honest, his voice and design (specially voice tho) was carrying most of it xD

full wolf
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There's some other fun concepts in there, like I enjoy the idea of Amaya but... there's just not enough oomph

muted solar
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Absolutely yeah

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It had potential but it just didn’t deliver ultimately

full wolf
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TDP later, IDK where ||I stopped after wherever the Aaravos/Viren weird monster baby happened, that was it for me||

ivory night
azure fern
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lmao

keen flax
ivory night
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Oh there she is

keen flax
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You should have pinged me soia, I crave the slander like a drug because this show burned my expectations and threw my love into the garbage disposal

azure fern
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🫡

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you shall be pinged next time lmao

keen flax
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Thank you 😌

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Also as someone who kept up with all 7 seasons of this mess, it is 100000% not worth it and the showrunners are so stupid for the kickstarter

azure fern
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ey, want a good fantasy animation just go watch Vox Machina already pls

ivory night
azure fern
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LOL

keen flax
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0 dollars and 0 cents 🥰

ivory night
azure fern
full wolf
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TDP ||They did such a weird like, trying to be humorous moment with Aaravos being weird at Viren about it like they birthed it together and they were going to be fathers together and it was really unnecessary and felt not an interesting thing to do with Aaravos's character just for a weird joke||

keen flax
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TDP ||Genuinely I dont think Aaron knew what to do with him, his (and the shows) tonal whiplash is insane||

azure fern
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speaking of LoVM, do you suppose Wonderstorm saw their KS and thought "hey, we can get 13M as well, right guys??"

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keen flax
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I feel like if you didnt relentlessly kept up with a random cw show, you didnt truly live life to the fullest

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Mine was Beauty and The Beast btw

azure fern
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Im a proud $100 backer for LoVM, you guys can thank me

keen flax
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But back to TDP ||The show told fans for YEARS that all they needed was 4 more seasons. It'll get wrapped up, despite you realizing its wasting more and more time... and then the finale blindsided you and says "actually we are not going to end the show, so give us money to keep it going"||

ivory night
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Also the show was bad

molten jetty
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TDP ||when Aaravos was supposed to be cool and interesting and then did nothing for seasons I was like “what’s the point”. He was cool and had a deep, sexy voice…||

keen flax
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TDP ||not to mention its fumbling of morality... I feel like it has the opposite problem of korra where instead of them not knowing what theyre doing, Aaron got a big head and just thought he could do a racism plot with morally gray aspects because "both sides were wrong" when that wasnt even remotely true from the worldbuilding||

molten jetty
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||like the human killed a butterfly he is an evil demon. He wasn’t naturally gifted like us awesome elves but he should have learned to cope despite the fact we killed his dad and are in constant war with them||

keen flax
# molten jetty TDP ||the elves were so crazy||

||YES. They were!! Elves and dragons just marginalized the humans and have the audacity to get mad when they use dark magic to survive?? The show never calls them out as a whole btw, its always a humans fault 😒 and then s7 doubles down on this and says "aaravos's daughter teaching humans magic disrupted the cosmic order of the universe" 😭||

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TDP s7 ||and also forcing the child to forgive the man who killed his dad because "hes a good assassin"||

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If i ever meet rayla irl she and I are throwing hands

molten jetty
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||nevermind they are literally AT WAR. the humans needed something to fight back against the onslaught from powerful beings||

gritty sierra
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I am someone who will stick around for a very short period, but I do cut and run pretty early once I decide I don't enjoy what's happening, and that's how I watched a couple seasons of TDP and the 100 and escaped the later, truly bad majority of those shows

cobalt onyx
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TDP ||The elves are just scrambling to keep the humans oppressed before they start trying to find out what kind of Dark Magic they can do if they fuel it with elves||

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molten jetty
ivory night
molten jetty
gritty sierra
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no excuse for voltron, that was JUST interesting enough to hold me through into the end. kept me solidly in the "omg this could have been GREAT" zone. unlike TDP and the 100 where they signposted HARD the cliff they were driving over the edge of and I was like. hoo boy, let me throw myself out of this moving car while I'm still at the top

keen flax
# molten jetty TDP ||the elves wanna hold them down to stay in power frfr||

TDP ||in another world the oppressive regime would have been toppled. It isnt "two sides are bickering" its "one side is heavily depriving the other of resources" and the fact that we go SEVEN seasons without it even being addressed properly lets me know that i do not trust aaron nor his team any longer||

ivory night
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Okay I am looking at the Wikipedia for the 100 and they have 100 episodes so it’s perfect no notes

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-# I have not seen the show

gritty sierra
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I enjoyed the 100 a lot for two seasons

keen flax
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I remember it coming on, but I was too busy watching The Flash 💀

molten jetty
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My CW show was Arrow

gritty sierra
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I watched half of season 3, with a sinking heart, and stopped there

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was absolutely the right decision

muted solar
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I still remember liking the 100 and enjoying the show through all the seasons. Yes I have bad taste, and I am aware

keen flax
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Its okay spooky, everyone has that one cw show they'd defend with their life sylheart

muted solar
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Has been so long though I wonder what I’d think of it now

molten jetty
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Oh I’d never defend Arrow

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Show was mid

ivory night
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I think my version of a cw show was burn notice. Absurd overarching plot but absolute cinema none the less

muted solar
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USA had some bangers. Never watched Burn Notice but enjoyed other stuff like White Collar and all that back in the day

cobalt onyx
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LotR lore, TDP ||Y'know, the elves and the humans kinda give me "Tolkien's Elves first contact with Dwarves" vibes. From what I understand, when the elves first encountered Dwarves, they didn't think they were people, and spent some amount of time hunting them for sport.||

muted solar
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TDP was so unbelievably bad

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The more I think about it the more I just can’t believe how bad it truly was

ivory night
cobalt onyx
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||The TDP elves don't really see humans as people, and they aren't really working to change that...||

azure fern
cobalt onyx
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TDP ||I don't remember the lore, but I wouldn't be surprised if Elves typically believe that because they can't do magic, humans don't have a soul. As such, yeah, unironically there's a moral basis to value a single magical butterfly over a population of humans.||

keen flax
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||yes Evrkynd or how every the [redacted] its spelled is stupid and so is ezran||

molten jetty
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TDP ||Ezran should’ve gone on his villain arc when he learned about his dad||

keen flax
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YES!! ||gosh imagine if he was like... an Anti Aang... but no, Aaron just wanted to make aang again and fumbled the bag immensely||

molten jetty
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||Aang was annoying enough||

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ATLA || “But if I kill the evil fire lord I become just as bad as the mass murderer!”||

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cobalt onyx
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(I stopped watching after season 2 or 3, so I'm missing any context past there)

keen flax
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||it's almost as if making the 12 year old a king was a bad idea||

frank quail
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(I have never seen TDP)

keen flax
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Oh! Great! Be free 🥰

molten jetty
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Y’know who else deserved a villain arc

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TDP ||Callum. Bro should’ve gone full dark mage and not flinched away without going all in||

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||they set up this interesting “will he? Won’t he?” And it doesn’t work if he never DOES||

keen flax
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TDP s7 ||YES 10000x YES. The s7 posters were all like "oooo will he turn??" And then he just sits on it fot 5 episodes and rayla (my number one opp) talks him down from it despite it being the singular best chance they have.||

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||not to mention Ezran essentially made him use it on the ship to free himself in s5 and that never got addressed||

azure fern
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TDP || You'd think Rayla would love for Callum to go all in ||

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-# sry, wrong channel

muted solar
keen flax
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Its like Young Justice all over again, where i cared for so long and I will not care any longer 😞

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Also yeah there are some haters in here spooky, couldnt be me though 😌

muted solar
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The more I reflect on TDP the more baffling it all is how they dropped the ball so hard.

Netflix gave them SEVEN SEASONS. They had so much time to prepare and tell the story they wanted to tell. But they wasted so much time on all this fluffy nonsense and drip fed all the interesting stuff + refused to commit

keen flax
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SEVEN... SEVEN SEASONS 😭 i got into it when s3 dropped so I essentially spent 4 years waiting for greatness and all I got was mid mid middy mid mid

muted solar
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I started in season 1

keen flax
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I am so sorry

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We have got to stop watching shows that waste our time! I cant keep doing this to myself 😭

muted solar
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It’s okay, we inhaling ridiculous amounts of copium on the daily, begging and pleading for Gaang movie and Seven Havens to be good

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Please let Avatar Studios be cooking

cobalt onyx
keen flax
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Ill get to it!! 😂

muted solar
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Also no show has ever matched the disappointment that is the finale of Dexter. Followed by New Blood.

keen flax
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-# I say this and as soon as young justice s5 gets dropped im sat... I have a problem

muted solar
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Dexter: Resurrection has been quite good so far though imo

azure fern
azure fern
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ugh, me and a friend have been trying for like 5 years to get this other friend to watch LotR, but now he has gone and moved to Germany so we only get together like once a year

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and of course we play d&d on those occasions

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ok Cosmic, stuff is piling up for you: AtLA watch party, LoVM watch party and LotR watch party

full wolf
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Grey and I are in a similar place with it, where the first two seasons were great, they started to fumble season 3, the next few seasons were hit and miss (mostly miss) and then the final season was just a complete joke to me by the end, just totally off the deep end of absurdity

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But Grey bailed and I for some reason decided I wanted to see how bad it could get

muted solar
# full wolf Surely not all of it... surely not the whole thing... <:wwhw:1149063090239963237...

Honestly I don’t remember the whole thing at this point.

The 100 all: I remember liking the start. And then the whole || cannibalism sub-plot ||. And then I was excited by the whole || touching down on another planet thing because I like aliens, but then it dropped the ball and didn’t do fun alien things ||. And then the last season I don’t remember at all. The 100 || Didn’t they turn into light or something at the end? Idk ||

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So yeahhhh probably not all of the 100

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The 100 : I admittedly do love me some || cannibalism ||

full wolf
# muted solar Honestly I don’t remember the whole thing at this point. The 100 all: I remembe...

The 100 all ||Yeah there's some stupid the whole thing is a test by some higher beings to see if humanity is ready to ascend, but Clarke did a few too many genocides so they're not going to let humanity ascend... But then she says pretty please and the higher beings relent and say "okay everybody but you, miss genocide" but all her friends decide to stay human with her and they uhhhh live in the wilderness for the rest of their lives, explicitly infertile so the human race ends with them. yep. yyyyyyep.||

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The shark was not jumping, that shark could fly

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The 100 late seasons ||The Blodreina plot with Octavia and the cannibalism was one of the only good parts of the later seasons, I'll give you that one. The whole show was deeply mid by that point, but Octavia still got to hit||

muted solar
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Oof

full wolf
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It was a terrible ending LUL

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Like, genuinely godawful

muted solar
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Yet still absolute cinema when put next to Dexter’s ending

full wolf
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Ah I never got into Dexter but dang

muted solar
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Still the worst ending I’ve ever experienced in anything I’ve consumed

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And then Dexter: New Blood tried to fix it and failed

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Fingers crossed for Resurrection landing a good ending

full wolf
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Also I will say, plot things aside The 100 had some absolutely atrocious fandom betrayal choices

muted solar
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I tend to not end up within fandoms so I’m curious

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full wolf
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The 100 ||Killing Lincoln the way they did was awful, and it was because his actor was so maligned on set he quit, so they just executed him unceremoniously... But having Lexa get shot in bed on accident in the midst of the Clexa hype right after she and Clarke basically hit official was an outrage. Oh my god it killed such a huge percentage of the fandom overnight.||

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full wolf
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The 100 ||And they tried to bandage over it with like "oh she's still here she got uploaded to the digital realm, ha we can still have Lexa things" is like, nope, y'all ruined it. Whenever they had Lexa's actor come back as like a vision or a flashback or something, it just stirred up the outrage all over again||

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||The gays were not only buried they were shot in bed right after having sex for the first time. unforgivable.||

stoic falcon
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hmm, that's a shame to hear dragon prince has a really bad ending in s7. I've only watched up through s3 and enjoyed it there. Sounds like it's not worth watching the rest though

keen flax
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save yourself, blaze. Im telling you this because I cherish you as a friend

minor ledge
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the 100 is a soap opera

full wolf
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The 100 was good when it was about the desperation of people groups who don't understand each other trying not to do atrocities (and sometimes failing) in order to survive. It got bad when it started to be about ||a nuclear warhead launching AI and her special digital brain afterlife and worldhopping to another planet with a body snatching cult of immortals and magic portals with more cults and how many times can we make the world uninhabitable but oops actually it came back again, and a bizarre morality test about ascending to a higher level of consciousness||

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It was good when it was, pun intended, _down to earth _

minor ledge
minor ledge
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actually you should onyl watch the first 2 seasons of flash ngl but

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i like season 3

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jagged patio
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My friend who works at the local college is letting a bunch of us in to one of the classrooms tonight and we’re gonna watch K-pop Demon Hunters on the big projector screen

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Very excite

acoustic pewter
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I remember trying to watch the CW DC shows. I liked the Flash, and my family mostly watched it together, but we gave up a few episodes into season 4. Looking back on it, I wish we'd stopped at the end of season 2. As much as I enjoyed season 3 at the time, it's not good in retrospect.

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My mom was the only one to watch Arrow and Supergirl, though I watched a few Supergirl episodes with her, and my dad, brother, and I watched the first season of Legends of Tomorrow and called it quits there.

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How many seasons did each of those shows have? I remember seeing clips of the last couple seasons of the Flash that existed just to point out how awful they were, and I'm glad we jumped ship early on.

dusk hound
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Behind the scenes doc they made for Superman https://youtu.be/a5dOvnWVYB4?si=r2Cn_z-3q0mIDMrJ

YouTube
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Very fun to see how it all came together

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heavy anchor
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Me: walks into Korean restaurant because I'm craving Korean food
Korean restaurant: KDH NOW

ionic lily
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yes

ionic lily
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Legends of Tomorrow is that only one that got better

heavy anchor
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The OGs remember I was a die hard defender

west escarp
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Stargirl started strong and had a good season 2

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Then it got cancelled before it could suck

heavy anchor
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Lol

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The flash was pretty bad by the end

ionic lily
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The only show that was fire start to finish was Constantine, and that was retroactively made part of the Arrowverse

heavy anchor
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some would say it was always bad but I enjoyed it okay

acoustic pewter
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Yeah, those clips I saw of the final Flash season looked awful

west escarp
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Black Lightning wasn’t ever that good. The albino actor (I think he’s a professional musician?) who played the season 1 villian was great tho. Deserves to play that character on a better show

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Supergirl was fun but only ever ok

ionic lily
heavy anchor
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Though, I will hold that Barry's actor deserved a better script, he was always excellent

west escarp
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Literally nobody watched Naomi

heavy anchor
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Cisco was also really great

ionic lily
heavy anchor
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Grant Gustin, right
I'd love to see him come back in a flash movie with a good script

west escarp
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Batwoman got better when Ruby Rose quit but I wouldn’t ever call it good

west escarp
heavy anchor
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Batwoman was CW desperately trying to get batman in without being able to have batman

west escarp
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Because it sucked when they did that premise with Green Arrow

heavy anchor
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Exactly!

oak ivy
topaz oyster
west escarp
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Superman and Lois got so good it escaped the CW Arrowverse

ionic lily
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Everybody should watch Constantine

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underrated

west escarp
cold sequoia
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speaking of Grant Gustin, this is an interesting hypothetical: what if he played the Flash?

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novel bear
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today at my job someone pointed out that my boss looks like grant gustin, which he in fact does, a lot

west escarp
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They also had a Vixen animated show & apparently another animated show * I* hadn’t hear of , called the Ray

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novel bear
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don't think so

ionic lily
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I heard of the Vixen one, not the Ray one

oak ivy
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So theres a chance

heavy anchor
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Oh, and the best actor hands down in the flash show was Harrison

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He literally plays a different character every season and was excellent at every one of them, even when the script sucked

ionic lily
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He was great

topaz oyster
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Tom Cavanaugh's agent must suck ass, criminal that he doesn't get more and better work

cold sequoia
oak ivy
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Wait let him cook

west escarp
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They should make him do movie musicals. Go back to your glee routes

cold sequoia
oak ivy
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He was on broadway for a bit

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ionic lily
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#BringPaulToTheMCU

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Everybody loves Paul

heavy anchor
west escarp
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Also shout out to season 1 of the Flash for adding incest into the show. They didn’t need to do that, since Barry and Iris were old enough to not be siblings when her dad starts fostering him. But they had Iris literally sibling zone him in every conversation for most of seasons 1&2

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oak ivy
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The funniest thing about paul is he isnt one of the 10 worst things about that comic

cold sequoia
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if Marvel casts Timothee Chalamet as Paul for the next Spider-man trilogy I will buy 100 tickets to each movie out of respect

ionic lily
heavy anchor
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Look marvel just refuses to let Peter be happy for any length of time

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The only happy Peter parkers are the ones in other universe. Sometimes

dusk hound
ionic lily
dusk hound
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“It’s Paulin Time”

ionic lily
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Paul Sweep!

dusk hound
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The people yearn for Paul

heavy anchor
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Guys I'm in public stop it

west escarp
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Paul or bust! Paul or bust! Paul or bust!

heavy anchor
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People are gonna look at me weird for laughing this hard

ionic lily
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Paul for president!

topaz oyster
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Part of me genuinely wishes the MCU was in a healthier spot just to see the mass crashout Paul would cause in the MCU

oak ivy
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||like REALLY bad||

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||also the black cat romance went nowhere, as in they went on one date||

heavy anchor
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LAME

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0/10

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THE STEEL YEARNS FOR MORE BLACK CAT

oak ivy
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Also tombstone is a terrible character

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Who is this Paul? I could just Google who Paul is, but I want to hear it from you guys. I want real talk from real fans, not an AI Overview.

oak ivy
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And his daughter is worse

heavy anchor
oak ivy
west escarp
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Paul is Mary Jane’s boyfriend in the spider man comics

dusk hound
acoustic pewter
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I want to know why the children yearn for the Paul

heavy anchor
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Please I need a good cast for Black cat 😭

west escarp
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She literally just broke up with him last week but the storyline lasted several years and was dumb because obviously it wasn’t gonna be forever

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Comics are allergic to changing the status quo

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oak ivy
ionic lily
heavy anchor
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Unless it makes spider man miserable

oak ivy
heavy anchor
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Then they'll happily change the status quo back to normal

dusk hound
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west escarp
ionic lily
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The editors refuse to allow Peter Parker to be happily married

heavy anchor
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Like you could be exploring the same idea as my favorite era of Superman where he explores what it means to be a dad

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But then they ruined that too

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sigh

oak ivy
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Spiderman isnt even miserable anymore

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He has been scrubbed of emotion

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# west escarp Comics are allergic to changing the status quo

This is the general rule of comics and is the reason I'm annoyed by comics and never read them. They never go anywhere, death is never permanent unless the character exists for the purpose of getting killed off, and status quo is god. It's so annoying.

topaz oyster
cold sequoia
oak ivy
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Yeah he is just miscast

heavy anchor
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The indie stuff is where it's at

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oak ivy
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@heavy anchor read ultimate spiderman

heavy anchor
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I only read manga nowadays lol

oak ivy
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Find god

heavy anchor
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Already did

topaz oyster
west escarp
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Paul is, completely literally, the most important thing to happen to spider man comics this decade

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And probably will remain that way

dusk hound
ionic lily
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Read books

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oak ivy
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Difficult to understand spiderman comics used to be good

dusk hound
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Billions must read Superman: Birthright

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Billions must read All-Star Superman

oak ivy
dusk hound
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dusk hound
topaz oyster
# oak ivy

I smashed yes so fast I didn't read my other options until after

dusk hound
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It’s better when you understand a lot of the Superman Mythos

oak ivy
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Now THAT is a real hater

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dusk hound
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Chill on manga tbh, manga gave us One Piece

west escarp
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I was just talking about worse possible runs to make someone start with

dusk hound
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So manga is chill in my book

dusk hound
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Never read that

west escarp
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Taking pitches but my opinion is that the worst entry run is Blackest Day/Brightest Night

dusk hound
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Like never

ionic lily
dusk hound
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Unless you really want to understand what a bad comic is

west escarp
dusk hound
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Just don’t read anything by Frank Miller post 9/11 tbh

oak ivy
west escarp
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Like it’s not good but you can generally follow the story and the art is interesting

cold sequoia
west escarp
oak ivy
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Idk what tom king was cooking

west escarp
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Tom king the ex cia agent

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Wanted to do a spy story

ionic lily
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Which one was it where Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver were together?

oak ivy
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That doesnt fully explain the amnesia

west escarp
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Ultimates

cold sequoia
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the old Ultimate run

oak ivy
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The original ultimate universe is the right answer

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It is all bad

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USM 1 included

dusk hound
# oak ivy Idk what tom king was cooking

Tom King is one of those rare comic writers who will craft some of the most amazing masterpieces you’ve ever seen but also some of the worst things you’ve seen

oak ivy
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Honestly i have never read his stuff

cold sequoia
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the old ultimate universe at least nominally doesn't require any prior knowledge

dusk hound
oak ivy
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REAL

cold sequoia
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My solution to all this madness is to just not read comics. Period. I've tried comics before and... just nah. I can't even do graphic novels. I only made an exception for White Sand because it was cosmere.

And I guess I enjoyed the Artemis Fowl graphic novels once upon a time, but only because I'd already read the original books.

ionic lily
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Bad starting comic: Gwenpool

oak ivy
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Ii have heard things about his batman, none of it cohesive

ionic lily
dusk hound
oak ivy
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Im still mad they cant get gwen stacy right

dusk hound
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Like genuinely it’s gonna be hard to mess it up

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All they need to do is follow the comic

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ionic lily
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I am

acoustic pewter
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That movie was the utter nadir of horrible Disney adaptations. I despise it. How could it ruin such a good book so badly.

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It had good music and a couple of the actors played their parts well. Those are the only good things I can say about it.

cold sequoia
# oak ivy Ii have heard things about his batman, none of it cohesive

I think it was a fine run but got derailed
[Tom King Batman] ||he spend a long time building up a wedding between Batman and Catwoman. Given that Alfred is still dead, if the wedding had happened then I would guess that it'd still be canon right now. Since it didn't there was a very anti-climactic midpoint to his run and it sort of meandered from there||

ionic lily
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Artemis Fowl is a great surfer

acoustic pewter
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❔

oak ivy
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What are the current great comic runs

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Absolute Martian Manhunter, USM, and Power Fantasy are probably my top 3

cold sequoia
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outside of the Absolute and Ultimate runs I have not been keeping up

oak ivy
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I was disappointed the new cassandra cain series was mid

dusk hound
# oak ivy What are the current great comic runs

Worlds Finest by Mark Waid

Absolute Wonder Woman by Kelly Thompson

Really anything in the Absolute universe, and it doesn’t require prior reading

Ultimate Spider-Man

Joshua Williamson Superman

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dusk hound
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Really anything by Joshua Williamson is amazing

oak ivy
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I have seen joshua williamson more in interviews than read his comics

keen flax
heavy anchor
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I just don't read comics much anymore

acoustic pewter
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Y'all know by now I ain't never gonna see KDH, but I'm gonna throw y'all a little bone here because I want you to see my sister's drawing. She's seen the movie at least seven times now and has been trying to draw the three main characters, and this is one of them so far. She's done a really good job with them. If/when she colors them, I'll share more.

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jagged patio
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Speaking of KDH, just got back from the (technically illegal) classroom watch party. I had so much fun. This was my third time watching it, and I caught so much more that answered a lot of the weird questions that were bothering me. I couldn’t stop smiling the whole time, I could barely keep from singing along, GAHHH I LOVE THIS MOVIE SO MUCH

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Also, this was my sister’s first time watching it. She usually doesn’t like animation very much, but she absolutely loved KDH. We won

acoustic pewter
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-# The plague is infecting everyone... I must stay innoculated...

heavy anchor
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It's a fun movie

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And it's only an hour and a half

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Unlike what this chat would lead you to believe you can just watch the movie once and call it good LUL

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No such guarantees on the music tho

acoustic pewter
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I can also just watch it nonce and call it good

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As a matter of taste, it really doesn't appeal to me. I cringe every time I see anything from it pop up online. I can't see myself enjoying it.

minor ledge
dawn kayak
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truth 🙏

dusk hound
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Language warning, Don’t know why people are so mad at this, Batman is literally a maniac, anybody can see that ||https://fxtwitter.com/thebathome/status/1955360158772764675?s=46||

TheBatPics (@TheBatHome)

James Gunn on Batman:
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︀︀"Even with Batman, if I was doing Batman I'd get into it it like Batman's a fucking maniac. So he puts on a fucking scary bat costume and goes out and tries to scare people"

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ionic lily
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Batman is a calculating detective

dusk hound
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IIRC he had to actually spend some time in the Arkham pediatric ward after his parents death

ionic lily
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Thats very different from being a maniac

cold sequoia
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In modern times, pointing out the fact that hes unwell is a pretty common theme in the comics

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Be that with dreams/visions, by showing unhealthy relationships, etc

ionic lily
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Yeah, but maniac is much more... manic than just mentally ill

oak ivy
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I also feel the “batman is actually insane” tale never really goes anywhere interesting

dusk hound
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I think Gunn just used hyperbole, but I think Batman definitely exhibits some pretty wild behavior

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I mean obviously anyone who goes out dressed as a bat is not a mentally well person

ionic lily
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Yeah, but I would never call him wild

buoyant scroll
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You could certainly do an interesting manic twist on him

buoyant scroll
cold sequoia
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I think Gunn is probably specifically thinking of Barman in contrast to Superman. Their motivations for wearing a costume and doing what they do are very different

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And, depending on the story, their actions are as well (sometimes Batman fights aliens or whatever)

novel bear
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i don't think a full-on batman is insane type story is particularly interesting, but i think acknowledging that there is an underlying insanity to what he does, is a fair way to understand him

cold sequoia
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Yeah, I think The Batman is a pretty good example of how it is done in the typical batman story

dusk hound
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In the context of the video I sent they were specifically talking about Superman and his costume and how his costume should be huggable

oak ivy
minor ledge
lone canyon
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My favourite Batman is just gruff middle aged dad Batman who has a bad time

dawn kayak
lone canyon
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He’s just depressed, he’s not a maniac

dawn kayak
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modern batman kind of

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well not modern modern batman

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90s~00s batman

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yellow lantern batman

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nowadays from what I've seen authors have gone to a more 'classical' batman that is less violently angry

dusk hound
cosmic dock
cold sequoia
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Batman can do that and still be a maniac

burnt shale
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Batman would do that but no one would believe the witnesses

cold sequoia
#

Batman publicly comforts kids

molten jetty
oak ivy
# oak ivy
poll_question_text

Is steel a bad person for only reading manga?

victor_answer_votes

4

total_votes

7

victor_answer_id

1

victor_answer_text

Yes

heavy anchor
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Rude

acoustic pewter
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Hey, consider yourself lucky. The results could have been more definite or absolute.

burnt shale
#

Finally time to watch s2 of castlevania nocturne

tight dove
minor ledge
burnt shale
winged mountain
# tight dove

I'd say yes, so long as he worked with Clark enough, he saw Dexter every day

burnt shale
# burnt shale Better than s1 still have problems

||My summary would be my biggest problem is richter really doesn’t have much of a defining personality. And it feels like the writers really don’t care about him at all other than a vehicle to have the story take place during the revolution. That said the season is less cluttered s1 stacked concepts on concepts on concepts in a way that was really clunky imo. Here by focusing on the two major story arcs and short supplementary arcs for secondary characters like richter, juste, Annette’s brother, etc it does have a stronger emotional core. And it had good visuals. I don’t think I’ll ever be happy with this version of richter as they don’t seem willing to explore him outside as a medium for Sakuga and it feels like he must get the final epic fight scene by obligation. That said decent action, great visuals, good characters work on the characters they want to explore.|| castlevania nocturne s2

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Also started dragon age absolution show

topaz oyster
#

I keep forgetting that exists

burnt shale
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I’ve been impressed by what I’ve seen but I’m not familiar with the source material

topaz oyster
#

Feather likes it and she's one of the bigger Dragon Age Enjoyers around these parts

burnt shale
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That’s nice as just a vox machina style fantasy show it’s just hitting for me but it’s always nice when you aren’t pissing off fans of the source material

topaz oyster
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Well, I'm not sure that's possible with Dragon Age

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It is plagued by A Certain Kind Of Fan that thinks the first game is the only true Dragon Age and everything that's come out since makes them very mad

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And I do seem to remember Absolution falling somewhat afoul of that crowd

dusk hound
small quarry
forest wigeon
#

oh no

inland jetty
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Wild variety of opinions I have on those three, especially considering I've not directly interacted with any of them

forest wigeon
#

also doesn't Underhellstuck flow better

inland jetty
#

Yeah but stuck under hell is a parseable sentence

dusk hound
tight dove
candid peak
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Thinking about Kpop Demon Hunters
Rn I think it's a cute movie, but nothing special
But I think if I was younger I would love it more
Or it would resonate more
Kinda like how Frozen resonated so much with me cuz I was 10
Which isn't a bad thing
I'm glad these movies exists
Cuz even if they don't hold a special place for adults, they hold a special place for children
And that's what matters in the end

gritty sierra
#

scans the crowd of 25+s who've been losing it over this movie hmm!

sage forge
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Me, excited about going to the singalong theater showing on my 48th birthday: "Er, nothing to see here, move along."

candid peak
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I'm not saying adults can't enjoy the movie

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Im just saying it's probably going to resonate with the target audience more

gritty sierra
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I don't know if that's necessarily true across the board

cobalt onyx
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Having neither seen the movie nor interacted with the fan base outside of this Discord, I think it's resonating with the target audience just fine

molten jetty
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I think it’s resonating with the target audience as well as adult audiences in a big way

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I mean just look at the number of adults on this server who adore it

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And for the record I think this is 1000x better than Frozen

candid peak
#

Okay but who asked

dusk hound
#

One more week until Peacemaker is back!!!!

candid peak
#

About which one is better I mean

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That's not what the convo was about lol

frail mulch
#

a formative movie musical in your childhood? sure

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the 1998 CATS is maybe mine lol

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(though also, you have all the late 90s disney renaissance which are essentially movie musical films but animated)

candid peak
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Anyway, considering the trends with this stuff I wouldn't be surprised if people started calling the Kpop movie overrated soon

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Cuz that's what usually happened unfortunately

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Sad reality we live in

small quarry
candid peak
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Oof

wet quest
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People in this very channel, even

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It happens any time something's popular and someone doesn't like it. It can never be that the popular thing simply isn't for them, like me with pumpkin spice, it's that the thing is more popular than it ought to be.

buoyant scroll
#

...are kids the target audience even?

candid peak
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Yes

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100%

topaz oyster
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It seems more targeted at "rode the kpop wave in the 2000s" nostalgia crowd to me

wet quest
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I disagree with the mindset of "it's a kids movie, but adults can enjoy it too!" simply because a given movie doesn't include cursing or blood. Good stories are good. That's all

topaz oyster
#

I think kids happened to be in the splash radius

wet quest
topaz oyster
#

Probably the best analogue is School of Rock

oak ivy
topaz oyster
#

Kids can watch School of Rock but it was really for their parents

wet quest
#

To take the example, the whole theme of kpop demon hunters is ||that everyone has some kind of inner shame, and letting that shame control your actions and dominate your life is bad.||
The idea that only kids need to hear this is laughable

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As far as quality goes, if you like a movie then it's for you. It really doesn't matter who the target audience was during production. A lot of people combine "kids movie" with "low quality," as if there aren't movies made with adults as the target audience that are not just as bad as bad kids movies

minor ledge
frank quail
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(r.e. quality kids movies existing)

minor ledge
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Cant wait for them to do the same bs they did with the first season though

wet quest
topaz oyster
#

Who you expect to show up for your message absolutely affects how you present that message though

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Even beyond marketing

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Artists are extremely commonly thinking about their intended audiences

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In fact, the Disney corpus is an excellent example

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It is aimed primarily at children, but also commonly constructed such that their parents aren't bored to hell and back

minor ledge
molten jetty
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Why do we have to say “this is a kid’s movie” as if the intent is to exclude adults from enjoying it? Kids enjoy KPDH. Adults enjoy KPDH.
KPDH has the vibe of something that wants to hit many audiences and it does so successfully. I don’t feel I need to have been younger to enjoy it because I don’t think I have to restrict myself to stuff that is “adult” and “mature”.

wet quest
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I'm not saying that the target audience doesn't influence creative decisions, but that's not how people talk about movies aimed at children.
You'd never hear someone say, "that was pretty good for a movie aimed at adults" but you'll constantly hear people saying that about movies aimed at children as if the expectation ought to be that a movie aimed at children will be bad

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Or that it won't have meaningful anything to say

molten jetty
#

I still have a childlike wonder inside me and maybe the issue isn’t weirdo adults liking kids movies, but creating a societal expectation that the ideas and tropes within kids movies are only for kids and that it is immature to enjoy those things

topaz oyster
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Media aimed at children often does come off as simplistic and moralizing to adults

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It isn't surprising that many people have that as a baseline

wet quest
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Media that is poorly written does this, it's sampling bias that makes people things it's only children's media that does it

topaz oyster
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That's not what I'm saying, really

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Often, simplistic and moralizing is the point

minor ledge
#

noone was going "your evil and immature if you like kids movies"

minor ledge
#

Which is a good thing a lot of kids do need that kind of media

molten jetty
# minor ledge The original point was that the movie wouldve resonated more if they were a kid

IDK this sounds like saying KPDH is a movie for kids and not adults

Thinking about Kpop Demon Hunters
Rn I think it's a cute movie, but nothing special
But I think if I was younger I would love it more
Or it would resonate more
Kinda like how Frozen resonated so much with me cuz I was 10
Which isn't a bad thing
I'm glad these movies exists
Cuz even if they don't hold a special place for adults, they hold a special place for children
And that's what matters in the end

topaz oyster
#

Sometimes it is nonsense to keep kids entertained. Sometimes it is bluntly presenting a simple message that doesn't hold up to a ton of scrutiny but is nonetheless a good message. In either case, it isn't necessarily good for adults and so adults who operate with "for kids is bad" baseline don't bother me, because for them it is a useful baseline

minor ledge
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im not gonan moralize you think liking kids media but a lot of people dont like kids media for a reason

candid peak
frank quail
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There does seem to be an assumption that if your movie doesn't feature "adult" themes, it's for kids

molten jetty
frank quail
candid peak
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I don't get why your being so defensive about my statement tbh

topaz oyster
minor ledge
topaz oyster
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In terms of writing, marketing, and monetization

dusk hound
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Throwing my two cents here, shows and movies can be targeted towards kids but also have themes that resonate with adults, mature stuff can still be in kids shows and movies

wet quest
molten jetty
candid peak
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I wasn't treating it as lesser???

molten jetty
gritty sierra
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the difference is "kids movie" (for kids) vs "family movie" (for everyone). kdh is for everyone

dusk hound
#

The thing about animation is specifically that it’s hard to break the stigma that it’s for kids, only recently have we kind of broken that stigma with shows like Invincible and Vox Machinab

candid peak
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The point of my messages is resonating with movies is a good thing idk how it got spinned into "kids movies bad"

molten jetty
#

KDH definitely feels not a “kids movie” regardless

heavy anchor
wet quest
heavy anchor
#

Anime has been tackling mature themes basically since it started existing

minor ledge
topaz oyster
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I mean my understanding is that the stigmatization of people who watch a lot of anime is a lot worse in Japan than it is here

heavy anchor
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I think that's based on a different assumption than "anime is for kids"

wet quest
minor ledge
molten jetty
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I do find it fascinating (on a different note than KDH) that stuff like ATLA, Tangled the Series, Clone Wars, etc. kinda get coopted by adult audiences and begin to deal with more mature themes

dusk hound
molten jetty
#

Like adults clearly love these things

wise epoch
#

Why did you ping me for this.

candid peak
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Sorry for being slightly annoyed but the point of what I was saying is it doesn't matter if something is for kids or not, the fact that it could resonate with people at all is a good thing

heavy anchor
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Absolutely

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Good media is good

gritty sierra
#

people disagreeing with you isn't need to drag in someone else to be sarcastic

candid peak
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Oh I didn't mean to ping

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Idk how that happened

minor ledge
#

People not resonating with kids media doesnt mean that kids media is inferior

wise epoch
#

Yes you did lmao, you pinged me specifically

candid peak
wise epoch
#

????

candid peak
#

I was trying to dm you but someone it was a ping

wet quest
candid peak
#

Yeah

wet quest
#

Or maybe I'm just fat fingering the @, stranger things have happened

molten jetty
candid peak
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And I honestly don't know how that was the takeaway

topaz oyster
#

And I don't actually think that's a bad thing

frail mulch
molten jetty
#

Something I do find really odd was when the Young Jedi Adventures show released and got review bombed for being a preschool aged show by adults who didn’t like it

topaz oyster
#

It took me about ten minutes from when I heard about this Jason Momoa Hawaii show to get my parents to agree to watch it because I know and they know that its in their milieu

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(Its pretty good so far, by the way, it was aiming for Shogun but landed more near Vikings and that's not a terrible place to land)

midnight compass
minor ledge
frail mulch
#

what's funny is we started Young Jedi Adventures for our kid not long ago and in the first episode my husband started muttering about lore implications under his breath

midnight compass
frail mulch
#

me, I noticed the purple character has the same voice actor as Cakey from Gabby's Dollhouse so I'm hoping that connection interests kiddo

molten jetty
wet quest
# candid peak And I honestly don't know how that was the takeaway

The reason is that, like Kon-Tiki is saying, people are going to draw lines where they will regarding what they're willing to watch, and I feel that too many people fixate on that line rather than the given media.
Not necessarily that you were doing that, your just comment lead me to want to open a wider conversation about the way we talk about media aimed towards children. I think it's detrimental to the artists involved when people try to classify their art in such a way, and I think a lot of people will decide something like, "I don't like kids movies" when they mean "I don't like bad movies" and they don't introspect enough to figure out what they think makes a movie bad.
Again, not that you were saying that, rather it's a wider trend that frustrates me, so I wanted to talk about it

minor ledge
candid peak
#

I guess to reword what I say, is that I think whether or not something is made for children or everyone, there's going to be children that experience there first emotional connection to fiction

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A moment where people realize art is more than entertainment

topaz oyster
candid peak
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And it doesn't have to be the best thing ever, it can simply be good or enjoyable

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But that leads people to seeking out other stories, or maybe even wanting to write one on there own

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And that's a great thing

wet quest
minor ledge
molten jetty
wet quest
wise epoch
#

tl;dr human judgements are stupid. Movies should be judged based on whether they're good or not

lucid haven
#

There's movies like inside out that are amazing not in spite of their target audience but because they did a good job of making a good film

minor ledge
wise epoch
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I don't give a damn if a movie is made for kids or has a budget of ten dollars and a toothbrush

wet quest
wise epoch
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If it's good, it's good

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That should be the end of it

minor ledge
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I majorly dislike 90% of superhero films but i still like dsuperman desipite it beign a superhero movie

lucid haven
candid peak
wise epoch
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The fact that humans desire to categorize things and write them off because of those inane categorizations infuriating

minor ledge
lucid haven
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It was made with 10$ and a tooth brush f8lmed in like 7 days

topaz oyster
wise epoch
#

Otherwise you wouldn't like Superman

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(this is a dumb argument)

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(I know it is)

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(my argument is terrible)

minor ledge
wet quest
# minor ledge I majorly dislike 90% of superhero films but i still like dsuperman *desipite* ...

This one goes the other way, too. I don't care for most of the marvel movies. I think it's impressive the way they were able to tell a continuous story over the course of like 15 years, and I can recognize how great a select few of them are, but my friends who grew up on comic books see me at a hater and will argue endlessly about the movies with me when I give them anything other than high praise

lucid haven
#

I personally dont believe that there is a superhero burn out or overload or anything like that. Its just that marvel started making worse movies

gritty sierra
#

to me, superman was a fair jolt to the system to make me question "do i actually dislike superhero movies or do i dislike marvel movies"

molten jetty
# minor ledge I majorly dislike 90% of superhero films but i still like dsuperman *desipite* ...

For the sake of the broader discussion, not pointing fingers:
See but there is a difference between “I don’t typically enjoy superhero movies so I don’t expect to enjoy them, but I enjoyed this anyway” is not the same as “superhero movies are always lame because they aren’t well made like other adult movies so ofc this superhero movie was bad”
I hear both. The former is not an issue. The latter refuses to give specific movies a chance because they categorize them as lesser. The defensiveness of myself and others is because we enjoy movies that get broadly slated as “lesser” and so we walk into discussions like this with the previous statements we’ve seen making us more defensive

wise epoch
#

I think the difference is

minor ledge
gritty sierra
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so now, because i've asked myself the question, i don't necessarily believe people when they say they dislike superhero movies. i sit there and go, well do you actually.

wise epoch
#

"The movie doesn't appeal to you because it's a superhero movie" rather than "it's bad because it's a superhero movie"

minor ledge
#

That liotteraly never happened

gritty sierra
#

i will nod and agree with people when they say what they say, and disbelieve them on the inside

wet quest
candid peak
#

Is there a no emote that might be helpful in discussions like these

minor ledge
#

Most people dont like most kids media with a couple exceptions because thats just how huma nature works

lucid haven
molten jetty
lucid haven
minor ledge
#

kids media can be good but kids media is targeting kids, which means a lot of adults wont like it and wont appeal to them like it would if there kids

gritty sierra
#

and same for the notes on "kids movies". it IS shorthand for a LOT of people meaning... all kinds of things. sometimes people really mean "this was made for children" like paw patrol and bluey. but to the convo above, a lot of disney stuff and yes kdh, was not made for children first and foremost. it was made for general audiences and it includes kids but not primarily for kids.

so when people say "i don't like kids movies", i'm sitting there disbelieving them because i'm like. okay, is your category a group of things with paw patrol, curious george, bluey, and then also steven universe, atla, kdh" because.... i simply don't even believe in their categorization

molten jetty
#

Like both can be occurring and influencing opinions

minor ledge
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I dont like most pixar movies but i can still recognize taht there good movies

minor ledge
molten jetty
gritty sierra
#

toy story is a general audience movie because it's made for both kids and adults equally. paw patrol is made for children and children first foremost and only

molten jetty
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Walking into a superhero movie with the basis that “superhero movies are bad” sets you up to dislike it

gritty sierra
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if someone INSISTS that toy story is a kids movie, i.... quietly dismiss

minor ledge
gritty sierra
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so now you know what i'm thinking on the inside, kris

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repeating it over and over again isn't going to make me agree with you

wet quest
gritty sierra
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i don't, i won't, and will never, probably!

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i think there's something wrong with your categorization! but you know, that's okay, it is what it is

minor ledge
#

general audience isnt an actual thing

gritty sierra
#

that is very wild, and i am not

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joining you in that opinion, or even this argument anymore

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ha

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that's wild

minor ledge
molten jetty
wise epoch
#

The thing about baby shows is that a lot of them are as blunt as a bag of hammers because they're intended to teach children things. They don't have appeal for the adults because they don't necessarily need to learn these things.
But I think that applies ONLY to the heavily moralistic baby shows meant to teach really young kids, things like Bluey and Sesame Street.
This does NOT apply to general kids cartoons. Bluey and Gravity Falls are not created equally. The same goes for movies. Paw Patrol: The Mighty Movie and Up are not created equally

gritty sierra
#

(the existence of general audiences is a fact and now i'm going back to work)

midnight compass
wise epoch
#

And none of this, not one, is a measure of quality

minor ledge
#

Like the entire genre of crime cant be really targeted towards kids

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nor could a political thriller

midnight compass
#

I don't think I'll agree but I'm legitimately curious how you come to the conclusion that Moana is like The Matrix

wise epoch
#

I watched an episode of Bluey at 25 and it had genuinely incredible cinematography.

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Bluey isn't a show I would normally watch because I don't need the lessons it teaches and that's it's primary purpose

minor ledge
#

Like even if the blood and cussing was removed i still wouldnt show a kid the godfather

molten jetty
wise epoch
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But I can watch an episode and acknowledge there is quality to it

keen flax
#

-# I will go back to my quiet corner but bluey feels like a hug i didnt recieve as a child and its one of my favorite shows period

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-# yes this is all I have to add

molten jetty
gritty sierra
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the godfather is rathed 16+, what does this have to do with any part of this

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# midnight compass Wait how?

It started because both of them are in stories centered ||around being the chosen one destined to save the world, and their emotional climax occurred when they realized that they didn't need to be the chosen one, but they could chose to be, and that choice is what made them the Chosen One."

gritty sierra
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it's literally a R rated movie

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it's NOT a general audience film?

minor ledge
wise epoch
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When it comes to other cartoons, the focus is different from JUST being a teaching tool. Gravity Falls, Owl House, etc are story focused, which gives it automatic appeal to adults by itself, while still appealing to and being marketed to children. Meanwhile things like SpongeBob have value for comedy purposes, which also appeals to adults

gritty sierra
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molten jetty
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Bluey = Kids show
Game of Thrones = adult show

There is a LARGE area between that for general audiences

topaz oyster
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I also think it is worth noting that for many people, when they say something is "bad" they are evaluating it on the axis of "did I have a good time", not necessarily on the "what is my objective artistic criticism of this" and that's a hard line to walk for the people who try to walk it

wise epoch
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Nobody is saying that adult entertainment can be marketed at children, they objectively can't. But children entertainment CAN be marketed at adults

gritty sierra
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no one here disagrees that adult movies are for adults - general audience is NOT adult audience

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molten jetty
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Barbie is such peak fiction

minor ledge
frail mulch
gritty sierra
minor ledge
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Barbie is aimed at millenials anyway

gritty sierra
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general audience can INCLUDE some kids, particularly older kids

wise epoch
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A child can't watch an adult movie because they don't have the mental development to handle those kinds of things, which is why R rated movies are restricted.

molten jetty
wet quest
molten jetty
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Barbie is 100 percent a general audience movie

wet quest
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Spelled her name wrong, but I'm keeping it

topaz oyster
molten jetty
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(Like for 12-50 year old women I’d say)

candid peak
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Barbie was meh for me but I also had to watch it on a concrete wall

gritty sierra
candid peak
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So eh

topaz oyster
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New adult?

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The hell is that lmao

gritty sierra
molten jetty
midnight compass
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I still gotta watch Barbie. I saw Oppenheimer so I gotta see both if only for the meme

molten jetty
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Barbie is peak 🙌

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Absolute cinema

oak ivy
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The idea of marketing exclusively to a specific demographic died with internet i think

gritty sierra
minor ledge
gritty sierra
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some people still use the new adult label tho

oak ivy
gritty sierra
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no, YA is not a genre, it's a marketing category for books

minor ledge
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I dont even assocaite YA as targeted at young adults i associate it with a specific set of tropes

frail mulch
# topaz oyster *New* adult?

Not teenagers but still developing their prefrontal cortex maybe. Xiran Jay Zhao thinks iron widow probably should've been new adult but was pushed towards YA as a debut, for example

molten jetty
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But also P+P 1995 reference helps

wise epoch
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I could associate any genre with tropes

molten jetty
molten jetty
wise epoch
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What does that actually mean

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It doesn't mean anything

topaz oyster
frail mulch
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Bluey is for kids but it has a big parent following for a reason- the Baby Race episode is absolutely for anxious parents worried about whether or not bebe is hitting milestones and if we're doing ok at it

topaz oyster
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15 years ago everyone exposed to the term YA knew exactly what was meant, even if that isn't the case now

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wise epoch
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I can associate horror movies, mysteries, romances, superhero movies, etc. all with tropes. What does this do other than establish successful patterns in the genre? I don't see it's rleevance

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ionic lily
topaz oyster
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Mystery and crime are not the same

gritty sierra
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there are contemporary YA books, there are romance YA books, there are fantasy YA books, there are horror YA books, even superhero YA books - they don't share tropes but they are all YA

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minor ledge
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I wouldnt call sherlock holmes crime

wise epoch
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Mystery is about detectives solving cases, crime is about criminals trying to commit crimes, on average.

gritty sierra
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Enola Holmes is a great example of mystery YA

frail mulch
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Yeah. Like are we calling it YA because of the character ages, or the target audience?

ionic lily
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Artemis Fowl is explicitly a criminal and the villain

molten jetty
ionic lily
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And definitely YA

wise epoch
midnight compass
minor ledge
wise epoch
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You're not solving a crime movie

frail mulch
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I do think there's kind of a gradient between middle grade and YA in terms of where it goes in the library, if you've got a teen section vs J fic

minor ledge
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crime is more like fargo, the godfather etc

wise epoch
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The key part of a mystery and all mystery subgenres is the MYSTERY aspect

molten jetty
wise epoch
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Which doesn't EXIST in crime movies

topaz oyster
turbid laurel
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Idk, I’m planning to raise my kids on The Sopranos

ionic lily
molten jetty
wise epoch
topaz oyster
molten jetty
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Probably depends on the frame of it

turbid laurel
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They’re gonna be telling their friends in kindergarten all about uncle Paulie

gritty sierra
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"for teens" is a category that has tragically shrunk to almost nothing these days. books pretty much go from middle school to YA, which has been pushed REALLY quite adult these days, and it leaves actual teen readers hanging in a sad way

molten jetty
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Is the detective the MC? Or are the criminals?

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wise epoch
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Murder On The Orient Express is not a horror movie because it does not contain horror elements. Halloween is not a mystery because it does not contain mystery elements

ionic lily
minor ledge
midnight compass
topaz oyster
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molten jetty
minor ledge
ionic lily
topaz oyster
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turbid laurel
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Is a heist movie not a crime movie now?

gritty sierra
minor ledge
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because heist is a seperate genre from crime

ionic lily
wise epoch
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I would say heist is a subgenre of crime

topaz oyster
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Breaking Bad isn't a crime show anyway. It is a Western

gritty sierra
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yeah, getting into heist v crime as completely separate things is VERY rigid, so much so i'd call it incorrect even

turbid laurel
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If you limit a genre to only explicit things that kids shouldn’t watch, then yeah you’re right, you can’t show kids that type of movie

ionic lily
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I wouldn’t call James Bond a mystery when he’s trying to figure out who the bad guy is

ionic lily
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ionic lily
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90% of breaking bad could be set anywhere in the world with virtually no change

wise epoch
ionic lily
topaz oyster
ionic lily
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Well usually

wise epoch
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Well then again that would preclude Columbo from mystery

wet quest
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Like, genuinely, what do you define as a "crime story" then other than a genre that somehow is completely exclusive from anything that could be targeted at a child ever?

turbid laurel
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Well whatever I said got eaten. Whoops.

wise epoch
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And I would call Columbo a mystery

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Even if you do know the killer at the top of every episode

topaz oyster
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Breaking Bad is a mystery and a Western and a crime show and a comedy and a drama and and and and and

gritty sierra
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the worst way to think of genre is being extremely rigid in drawing lines in the sand. like making sure different kinds of food on your plate don't touch when you're seven

ionic lily
gritty sierra
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dark comedy? Kappa

wise epoch
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Grimcomedy!

topaz oyster
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I don't think so. Bryan Cranston leans heavily on his comedy background to come off as pathetic when that's important, and it is regularly important that Walt come off as pathetic

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minor ledge
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gritty sierra
ionic lily
wise epoch
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if it's funny, it's to make the audience laugh

topaz oyster
gritty sierra
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if it's funny on purpose ha

topaz oyster
wise epoch
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Breaking Bad is not a comedy because ||the main character dies at the end||

gritty sierra
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ahhh, the shakespearean approach!

wet quest
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Ok Shakespeare

turbid laurel
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Peter Pan is a gangster movie where the mob boss tries to recruit kids and ends up having to fight a rival gang of adults

minor ledge
molten jetty
wise epoch
midnight compass
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Making it necessarily a subgenre of crime

gritty sierra
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heists typically ARE crimes

minor ledge
wise epoch
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What

gritty sierra
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i think ..... this is VERY in the weeds

wet quest
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I've come to the conclusion that Kris is simply a troll

minor ledge
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Are westerns in the crime genre?

gritty sierra
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i don't think you'll find much agreement that heists are a unique, separate category

ionic lily
molten jetty
topaz oyster
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Westerns often specifically have heists in them

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wise epoch
topaz oyster
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(As Breaking Bad does, actually)

gritty sierra
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"it's a heist film" cool, people say that all the time

"it's in the heist genre" confusion, ???, almost nobody thinks heists are a genre

wet quest
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Crime is a type of story

molten jetty
gritty sierra
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actually kris is the first and only person i've ever seen who calls heist a "genre". heists are not a genre, they're a plot type

minor ledge
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Having a heist in a crime film /=/ being the heist genre as well

gritty sierra
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you can have a western style heist movie. you can have a war era heist movie

wise epoch
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I can see the argument that heist is a genre

ionic lily
gritty sierra
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you can have a crime genre heist movie

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gritty sierra
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you can have a fantasy heist

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(mistborn, theoretically)

minor ledge
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yeah heist is its trope and style etc

gritty sierra
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that is pretty much NEVER stand alone

ionic lily
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What separates heist from being a genre?

wise epoch
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You can have romance in all of these. That doesn't make romance not a genre

minor ledge
turbid laurel
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Honestly I kinda struggle to define what is and isn’t a genre. I can’t really find a way to argue to myself that something isn’t technically a genre

gritty sierra
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i don't have a problem with overapplying my argument to other tropes

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maybe i mean it ONLY for heist and not mystery

minor ledge
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Heat isnt the same genre as the godfather

turbid laurel
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The heist film or caper film is a subgenre of crime films and the caper story, focused on the planning, execution, and aftermath of a significant robbery.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heist_film

Heist film

The heist film or caper film is a subgenre of crime films and the caper story, focused on the planning, execution, and aftermath of a significant robbery.
One of the early defining heist films was The Asphalt Jungle (1950), which Film Genre 2000 wrote "almost single-handedly popularized the genre for mainstream cinema". It featured robbers whose...

ionic lily
frail mulch
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Pulling a bit in the scrollback but I think I'd consider the Bond franchise in the thriller category

turbid laurel
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Idk, is a subgenre a genre?

wise epoch
minor ledge
gritty sierra
wise epoch
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That said I don't actually know what makes something a thriller

gritty sierra
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tasty weeds

topaz oyster
frail mulch
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I think someone was trying to slot it into the mystery model? But yeah, the original novels are pulp

midnight compass
minor ledge
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Some bonds are more mystery

wet quest
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I think heists are a popular enough story that I'd call them a genre, but that doesn't mean they aren't part of a bigger genre or they don't share traits with other genres

topaz oyster
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The later Craig movies were leaning pretty heavily on Bourne-style action movies

ionic lily
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Grey, using your argument, can you think of an instance where romance stands alone?

gritty sierra
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love it - so heist being a genre, they clearly are NOT separate from other genres

gritty sierra
frail mulch
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Like thriller might be, like sci-fi, about conventions- high speed chases, booms, fights.

You know, like the fast and the furious (the first is a heist but at some point they become superheroes with cars)

turbid laurel
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But yeah, this is what I mean by struggling to argue that something isn’t a genre. If you can group things then they’re a genre, but if they inherit enough from another genre is it really its own thing?

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Like are casino heists their own genre?

wet quest
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Hmm

turbid laurel
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I’d argue no in that case, but putting a line down is hard

topaz oyster
gritty sierra
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yeah.... big agree... hence "pretending we're pushing food apart on the plate" is my least favourite version of this conversation, because there are no firm lines that applies to literally EVERYTHING within a genre

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some things are two or more

minor ledge
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Train heists arent apart of the heist genre

minor ledge
gritty sierra
wet quest
# turbid laurel Like are casino heists their own genre?

Personally I think I'd just call it a heist still, but I think that's more because I don't think anyone would go into a book knowing only that it's about a heist and go, "oh man, I thought this was gonna be a bank heist 😔"

midnight compass
frail mulch
molten jetty
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Train heists are a heist 😭

topaz oyster
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Bank heists are a third subgenre of the sub sub sub sub subgenre that is heists

turbid laurel
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And at the end of the day a genre is more useful as a tool for discussion, so as long as people understand what group of things you’re talking about maybe it’s enough to qualify as a genre lol

molten jetty
wet quest
ionic lily
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My favorite heist series is Mission Impossible

turbid laurel
minor ledge
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gritty sierra
molten jetty
topaz oyster
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Never heard of that one, sounds good

minor ledge
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They dont fit into the rest of the genre beyond being abot a heist

gritty sierra
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i should actually try watching the thomas crown affair from start to finish

turbid laurel
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Maybe they’re and experimental GPT based chat bot that pulls in all debates from the 17th Shard to be the ultimate avatar of Mistborn All ||Discord||

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children shouldn't watch movies

midnight compass
gritty sierra
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but yeah, i like leverage because every episode is a heist movie

midnight compass
gritty sierra
ionic lily
wet quest
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Heck, I'd even say Heist Movies are part of the mystery genre, given how often they include elements of, "how are they gonna pull this off?"

ionic lily
novel bear
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if you let children watch animated movies they're going to grow up into animation fan adults and argue about what genres are for what demographics on discord

minor ledge
gritty sierra
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sometimes leverage does art heists, they've done train stuff, bank stuff, it's a good time

topaz oyster
molten jetty
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I’d put crime movies as a subgrene of thriller movies

gritty sierra
wet quest
molten jetty
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Specifically action thrillers

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ionic lily
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But a lot of crime movies are slow, without much action

molten jetty
ionic lily
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Right, but it’s a different tension

gritty sierra
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17s ok Kris, it's time to be more polite

ionic lily
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12 Angry Men has a lot of tension too, but it’s very different from a thriller

minor ledge
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How was that impolite lmao

turbid laurel
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I just want to watch Ocean’s 13 now

molten jetty
wet quest
turbid laurel
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(I watched 11 and 12 a couple weeks ago, not skipping them)

minor ledge
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Is thriller even a genre?

gritty sierra
midnight compass
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I don't even like crime movies that much and Ocean's Eleven is very good

ionic lily
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Goodfellas doesn’t have much tension at all for most of it

topaz oyster
molten jetty
wet quest
topaz oyster
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The Oceans movies are mostly an excuse the George Clooney Brad Pitt et al crowd to get together and have a good time

turbid laurel
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They’re all fun, but not particularly novel

midnight compass
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Also watched The Godfather recently and it was very good for how much its about truly awful people

ionic lily
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They really are fun

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Even the obligatory all female one is fun

topaz oyster
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The Now You See Me movies are a worse version of basically the same thing

midnight compass
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ionic lily
# topaz oyster The Now You See Me movies are a worse version of basically the same thing

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turbid laurel
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Wolfs didn’t do too well from what I understand

topaz oyster
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The second Gentlemen Bastards book is I think my favorite take on the casino heist sub sub sub sub sub genre

cold sequoia
wet quest
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Enough about sub genres, let's talk about dom genres 😈

gritty sierra
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(i only read the first and probably won't continue)

ionic lily
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Any movie that’s just an excuse for the actors to have a good time is enjoyable to watch

wet quest
ionic lily
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I feel like images from unreleased movies should be spoilered

feral grail
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Watching this , its so ass

topaz oyster
# gritty sierra oh? what does it do so well?

It is good at putting the pieces on the table before they get used, without really giving the context for how they'll be used. And, there's a Master and Commander interlude in the middle I'm a real sucker for

ionic lily
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I still need to finish reading master and commander

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I refuse to watch the movie until I read the first few books

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But it’s so dense

feral grail
ionic lily
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I swear, Homer was easier

ionic lily
dusk hound
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Brand New Day set leaks ||Snyder is the blueprint||

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topaz oyster
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feral grail
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I dont think adam sadler movies are meant for people

ionic lily
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Who was the target audience for Jack and Jill other than Adam Sandler himself?

gritty sierra
wet quest
dusk hound
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ionic lily
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My dad was more of a Monty Python guy

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We recently watched the original Naked Gun together and he couldn’t stop laughing

wet quest
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I gotta watch that so I can go see the new one with my parents

ionic lily
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It’s one of the best comedies ever made

feral grail
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My dad really liked the original couple naked gun movies, Really miss him

ionic lily
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A joke every 10 seconds for the whole movie

wet quest
ionic lily
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It’s also the only OJ role that hasn’t aged terribly, it just made it even funnier

feral grail
gritty sierra
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like Airplane!

ionic lily
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I need to watch Airplane too

gritty sierra
feral grail
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I should watch the new one

topaz oyster
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Leslie Nielsen didn't miss

feral grail
topaz oyster
ionic lily
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dusk hound
ionic lily
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No, what’s isn’t a comedy

topaz oyster
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Who's that comedy on stage

wet quest
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No who's on first

ionic lily
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That’s Hu

wet quest
feral grail
frank quail
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(I was trying to setup a "but that's not important right now", and flubbed it)

pearl gull
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Huh I just realized something about the upcoming Mighty Nein show. There's some things I'm weirdly keen to see how the crem they adapt

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