GameJam | Exalted Essence Mine

[limber venture]

Hello Scapers.

This GameJam alongside some combat stuff and other little bits I've been working on a design for a new piece of content, that looks to expand on the original rune essence mine.

The intent is to create a new area that resolves multiple pain points at once (In particular; access to essence, and low/mid-level crafting) but in a way that feels natural to the game.

It's not fully fleshed out into exacts but it means it's a good time to get your feedback on anything & everything to help it evolve.

(I'm now really hoping you can see the attached image - you'll need to zoom in)

[crisp gazelle]

I can see the image just fine

[opaque breach]

requires a zoom as you said but its perfectly readable with that

love the lore joke btw

[remote ether]

For exalted essence my preference would be rune multiplier, and combining this update with one that make magic abilities consume runes

[olive niche]

ye, ive seen irons complain about elemental runes for stuff like incite fear, so rune multipliers for lower tier runes could be a good reward space

[west bobcat]

This looks good

[wispy bridge]

the souls are what hurts the most for incite fear, we can only buy 100 per day until soul talisman for crafting them too 😦

[remote ether]

Bit sad it wasn't an extension of rune essence mine so it could get some love but oh well

[olive niche]

maybe even an option between more xp or extra runes?

[little saddle]

This is necesssary imo. Combat being the best source of essences just feels weird, kind of like needing to use the wilderness for core runecrafting (before the addition of wand/staff imbuing)

[remote ether]

Since abyss does focus on xp output I'm more than fine with normal running focusing on item output

[fathom sluice]

Without reading the whole thing yet, i'm already excited

[carmine hazel]

In terms of possible rewards:

• New Rocky/Gemi skin, obtained as a very rare unlock while Mining/Crafting essence shards
  • Maybe a recolour?
    The skilling equivalent of recoloured boss pets essentially

[olive niche]

maybe a pair of runecrafting gear

like a cool unique pocket slot

[fathom sluice]

Doesn't RC already kinda use 2 pocket slots? The skull and the Brooch?

I kinda wanted this to be daeyalt essence, where it effectively gives you more xp per essence when used, instead of just faster essence

[limber venture]

Sorry had to move over to mobile to do dinner

I’d be super down for pet skins(I just hate the mining and crafting pets 😅)

[remote ether]

mining, crafting, smithing. The trifecta of ugly pets.

[limber venture]

How much outcry do you think there’d be if we changed em?

[fathom sluice]

"some"

[limber venture]

Yeah 😐

[remote ether]

I don't think they'd win a vote the way we voted for combat pet looks

[limber venture]

Mining could be an updated version of the old mining golem random event

Would be sick

[wispy bridge]

gemi isn't too bad i kinda like it but i wouldn't mind it changing

[fathom sluice]

this lad? xD

[limber venture]

Gemi - gemstone dragon 👀

[remote ether]

I think there would be slight outrage but any change ever in this game is slight outrage

[limber venture]

Perfection

[carmine hazel]

very rocnar-coded

[remote ether]

Several times i've been the slight outrage

[fathom sluice]

or even better, the 2004 version

[wispy bridge]

yeah just do it

[remote ether]

But I genuinely think changing them would be more well received

than not

[crimson abyss]

For the pets, i'd rather see skins added instead of changing the base pet

[limber venture]

I agree my problem comes down to - would any one want to use a reskinned gemi

[opaque breach]

actual gemstone dragon, and the dialogue is just gaslighting you into thinking shes always been that way

[limber venture]

She’s mad about both dragon hides and gems

[remote ether]

Most forgotten rock guy in RS3

[crimson abyss]

I would use the reskins personally

[fathom sluice]

5head banter, ship it

[remote ether]

I like the OSRS pic of slagilith

He looks like he's dancing

[fathom sluice]

You could maybe get away with making gemi a reskin on the mining pet, and then you free up the crafting pet for something new

[remote ether]

Groove on, rock guy

[carmine hazel]

Could just change it so you have a chance to obtain a new Rue skin instead 👀 it's still a thematically-appropriate reward, and people love Rue

[remote ether]

Crafting pet should be a living toy baby leather dragon stitched together with various dragon leathers

[crimson abyss]

Call it Frank in leather.

[opaque breach]

hagrid

[crimson abyss]

[marsh panther]

Ayy cool new thing!

In regard to the abyss event and the proposal for some new familiars… how about unlock the ability to ancient summoning the senntisten asylum abyssal demon variants?

[limber venture]

I’d be for that but probably from a chonkier bit of content

E.g some follow on from infernal source

[remote ether]

Might be me, but that feels more like reward space in an inevitable 110 summoning

120 for some, even

[limber venture]

Was wondering whether stuff like the FoG rune crafting gloves could be repurposed

[limber venture]

Yeah that too

[marsh panther]

Was about to say id love to see some skilling gear pieces…

Good luck with the elite outfit tho

[fathom sluice]

Can we add reward space for combination rune maybe? To craft them better-ly? Or to unlock crafting/upgrading of higher tier combo staves? or even new air-combo staves like osrs does (mystic/battlestaff/limitless mist/dust/smoke staves for example)

[limber venture]

Yeah sure sounds fine?

[carmine hazel]

Q: Will any of the (sub)steps result in stackable items? The essence shards themselves come to mind

[limber venture]

Essence shards yeah

[marsh panther]

Combination anima stones?

[carmine hazel]

Perfect, less clunky than sandstone crafting, thank you

[limber venture]

There’s room somewhere for more unlimited rune staves in general too of different tiers

[carmine hazel]

Ooo, an upgrade for the elemental battlestaff from master clues?
It's a bit meh sitting at t30

no need to make it high-level, even something as simple as "can now be augmented" would be nice

[remote ether]

I do like the sound of that, I'm just wondering if that may be a bit many rewards from whats primarily an essence method

[limber venture]

Even mid levels
(If we reintroduced rune costs properly I imagine there’d be higher demand for air staves of different tiers etc)

[remote ether]

And thats more good ideas but perhaps from other things

[limber venture]

Oh yeah not all has to come from here

[remote ether]

Instead of necessarily here

[crimson abyss]

Let us add the elemental impetus to the Elemental Battlestaff. 😄

[limber venture]

But worth considering additional content / how it could fit in

[carmine hazel]

now that's a bigbrain move, hagrid /g

[limber venture]

I’d have no issue

[civic niche]

Delete rune shops

[remote ether]

Trying to put Aubury out of business

[carmine hazel]

it's time to Au-bury him

[civic niche]

How would exalted work with runic attuner, for example?

[west bobcat]

Mining baseline is a little bit lame - is there the possibility of Rockertunities or another mechanic to make it more interesting?

[marsh panther]

I feel like with trying to chase exalted, rockertunities arent really possible

Unless each exalted node was actually a bundle of nodes

[remote ether]

What if you took a trick from dragonwilds floating essences and you had floating pieces of essence that sometimes came down to the ground, that gave a better rate

Think similar to effigies spawning in effigy incubation

[fathom sluice]

Only if you make it so noobs dont accidently cast air surge with their t60 weapons, when air blast maxes out their dmg anyways

[marsh panther]

Also would love if there were some completable thing to do here like find a number of lore pages or find a number of rare essence pieces

[civic niche]

Imcando Essence Pickaxe

[limber venture]

Alternative suggestion:
remove spell scaling capping

[remote ether]

you really tossing in t100 damage with t60 weapons? bold move

[manic star]

Love to have fire blast in F2P again.

[quaint flower]

So this ended up being what you and mod frosch worked out?

I didn't see any changes for the runic attuner, or changes to based xp for runecrafting/removal of demonic skull in part of this new pitch.

[limber venture]

Would no doubt add lore pages like that in some form - or if a new unlock comes from randoms that could be a cheevo

[limber venture]

Froschs stuff is seperate

[marsh panther]

Hell yeah

[uneven wedge]

I like this a lot subject to rates. definitely feels weird to have abyssal creatures being the only viable source of essence late. would suggest, given lack of non-essence rewards beyond non-meta sources of crafting xp, that targeted essence rates at BIS should be circa 35k essence/hr

I would, however, note that between events, this risks having the standard mining feedback loop before perfect juju - namely that the player is encouraged to be paying attention by stamina, but that the chance to make additional inputs isn't adequately rewarded by the current max stamina bonus, such that it's kind of boring because you're watching nothing really happen. the minor change I'd suggest as a consequence is to substantially increase (for this content only, at first) the benefit offered by maintaining maximum stamina. I'd suggest initially it should be in the region of a 40% buff.

The other minor cause for concern atm - a lot of the exciting part of this is the events, not least because they're giving very big buffs (I'd expect an FC to hop up around this assuming all events require presence on the world at the point the event ends, rather than when it starts). given what's happened with DSF events, would it be possible to design events such that event pass thresholds are calculated based on the number of players who participate in the event rather than the number of players who are present in the area on the world?

[remote ether]

Instead of lore pages have us repair an old rune guardian with the new essence to answer questions

[limber venture]

(I helped him with a little of it but ultimatly it’s disconnected from his piece)

[remote ether]

Not everything has to be lorebook

[limber venture]

Sounds dope

[quaint flower]

Gotcha, rs wiki had you joint together.

[remote ether]

I'm a lorebook enjoyer but we got cool beings made from rune essence

PLUS

excues to update their model to modern standard

Always good to get that excuse

[limber venture]

Yeah we started off together then kinda just chatted ideas but worked on individual stuff - he’s cooked up some great stuff

[remote ether]

small tangent: How has combat stuff worked out

[fathom sluice]

my bad, I will separate it now 😄

[limber venture]

Il hopefully share some cool stuff tomorrow/Friday for combat but no promises

Made a lot of progress on one specific combat thing but not sharing it until it’s more ready

[quaint flower]

Runespan does have unstable essence as a shop item, but it's positioned in a way that it's hard to justify buying. Could be something to gain from here, or a way to reuse a reward.

[limber venture]

Remind me what it does?

[quaint flower]

Stackable rune essence

[limber venture]

Oh neat

[remote ether]

The combat thing he's worked far on that he don't want to reveal is that if you die in Runescape you now die in Real Life. Personal knock on door from Jagex.

[civic niche]

but doesn't provide runes iirc?

only exp

[tranquil acorn]

Important note: Unstable is just xp

[limber venture]

Yeah could be fine as a uncommon reward (if a random gave it instead of direct xp it’s like the same deal)

[remote ether]

Unstable essence is just xp yeah

Its a bit interesting because its not used all at once

[civic niche]

Could be something to add to a potential thieving/impling drop table as a rarer item too

[remote ether]

They stack and you keep crafting the altar with them one essence at a time

[quaint flower]

I thought that was just the protean version? Been a bit since I used one.

[remote ether]

Wait

[limber venture]

Its protean essences ancestor

[tranquil acorn]

10 ess is used at a time for unstable

[remote ether]

its 10 ess at once yeah

Its been a while

[limber venture]

https://tenor.com/view/ppf-lol-omg-gif-21502676

[civic niche]

walked so protean essence could run

[tranquil acorn]

Add unstable to this and remove protean ess

[remote ether]

Damn we should have kneecapped unstable essence then

[civic niche]

depending on how unstable essence is added, an event could give a crystal geode style buff of "x minute any unstable essence found is exalted unstable essence instead"

[uneven apex]

design doc looks great, really love the runespan spillover event that makes them real

[limber venture]

I like that

[uneven wedge]

wtf unstable essence is converted once per tick?

could straight up just make it do 1 at a time rather than 10 at a time, make it accessible and suddenly you've got a better form of runecrafting afk than runespan

(or make it take 10 ticks rather than 1 for longer afk period)

[crisp gazelle]

Yep

Unstable essence is converted into experience in stacks of ten every 0.6 seconds, and up to 60 stacks are converted in a single interaction.

[limber venture]

Il get data on how much it’s used

Chances are we could straight up rework it

[civic niche]

can't wait for the single reddit thread with 38 upvotes and 12 replies complaining if you do

(9 of the replies are "wait this item exists?")

[limber venture]

My unstable essence pure is ruined!

[civic niche]

Welcome to Unstabletics

[uneven wedge]

(also, possibly ironman-pilled take but I don't think it's good that unstable essence doesn't give runes)

[remote ether]

My take here thats I dont know what pilled

I dont think runespan point in TMS is a good thing

[tranquil acorn]

If it were to give runes, I imagine it'd need to lose XP, always gotta be a trade-off

[uneven wedge]

yeah idk what xp rates are

I'd just have it give runes, be fully afk to use, and target 120-140k xp/hr

(at time runes)

[modest star]

Also being Iron pilled forever having an afk or super fast way to make water or fire runes would be a dream come true

[remote ether]

Tbh I think the "afk method of getting runes" should be runespan

Fast way to get runes should be altars

[uneven wedge]

yeah maybe

I'm just blinded by dislike of runespan and think letting people afk at altars would be a substantial improvement over it

[modest star]

I mean the long awaited rune shop update also works, very happy to spend an absurd amount of money to not have to make runes but that’s a pipe dream

[uneven wedge]

what do you consider 'super fast' here, out of curiosity?

[west bobcat]

Crafting water runes is up to 140k water runes/hour, does that count as super fast yet (fire is 100kish)

[modest star]

Like spirit rune fast

[uneven wedge]

hm yeah that would require an increase

[deep tinsel]

pinning the initial message just so it's easier for new readers to navigate to

[fathom sluice]

I recently heard that Sponge hates elite outfits... maybe the outfits from GoP could be given a mechanical purpose in this area? Or even the wicked set

[limber venture]

I do indeed

Il think on it

[fathom sluice]

I personally hate that you have to use the WC outfit at BGH instead of the hunter one

So wearing the mining outfit at the RC thing icks me the same way

[quaint flower]

Decoupling the effects would be the start, but it sounds like tideious work and it'll upset some players that want it all instead of having gear choice.

[remote ether]

God I wish GOP had a reason to be played

Like it gave you a rune multiplier on the altars, to make up for the time spent doing the minigame at each

[manic star]

Other than what appears to be level 45 requirements, are there other requirements for this? Certain (mini-)quest, F2P / member, etc.?

[quaint gate]

wow this looks amazing

[civic niche]

Here's the real question - are we going to get rune/pure/exalted essence spirits instead of the essence on drop tables? 😉

[manic star]

I doubt rune essence is a thing in there. At least pure.

[fathom sluice]

Some more recent content was released without it's related elite outfit working, like BGH and the Fort
it's possible that the RC or Mine outfit wouldnt work at all to begin with, just like the master construction outfit doesnt work in Fort
A new outfit just for this could be the start of slots mattering outside of combat, I pitched cuz [Sponge was recently ranting about it a bit ](#design-chat message)

[quaint gate]

t60 weapons cap it anways to lvl 60 no?

[mint kernel]

law and nature staff from dg currently don't actualy provide runes, so much as refund em sometimes.
we're lacking in catalytics staves outside of daemonheim in general too
perhaps an upgrade to the staff u can buy with runespan points, that can store a spell?

[remote ether]

thats why it was a response to "remove spell scaling capping"

[remote ether]

Honestly law and nature staves from dg could just give infinite of their respective rune

[quaint gate]

i think the original message was about removing spells capping at a separate level from your weapon

[mint kernel]

maybe divine rune essence location recipes for divination could be a nice reward

[quaint gate]

aka instead of air blaist being in a level range upto 61 its just always upto 100 and then capped at 60

thats atleast how i read it

[mint kernel]

rune essence flask
charge it with runes at an altar, consume it to have unlimited runes of that type for x time

[fathom sluice]

Theres a certain point where spells are so samey that if the rune consumption is change to be streamlined through the levels, the dmg scaling of the spell stops mattering so much
You could effectively condense 20 spells into 4 spells. And for Ancients you could make 16 spells into 8 spells only (aoe vs single target)

[mint kernel]

capacity / duration scales with tier

[quaint gate]

seems very niche, when do you even consume that many runes nowadays?

[remote ether]

Well it was a response to air surge being used intead of air blast with t60 weapon as a noob trap. Air surge, in that context, is capped at 60 even though the spell description is for a level 81 spell, due to the weapon.

[mint kernel]

any spells that consume on proc

[quaint gate]

so like a level 81 spell would be able to do full damage on a tier 60 staff?

only being capped by acc?

[remote ether]

That was what I understood by Sponge's comment

[quaint gate]

huh i see i read it the other way around

[remote ether]

Because thats the cap that noob traps air surge on weapons

Air surge = air blast only because the weapon caps both to t60

so you're spending extra runes for no benefit

[quaint gate]

im not even sure what that would be tbh

like fsoa thing isnt a thing no more

[remote ether]

Any other cap doesn't seem relevant for the scenario

[quaint gate]

(not the staff, the op spec)

[mint kernel]

say u fill a flask with nature energy, and have 120 rc, the buff lasts e.g. 60 minutes

how many natures would you use with an hour of alching

[quaint gate]

this seems virtually useless

all alching for irons is done through the machine for the most part

i cant speak for mains

but im sure someone here can

[fathom sluice]

i think the new ancient spells, incite fear and exsanguinate use rune on every ability, or at least much more often than other spells

[mint kernel]

1 hour of combat where u basically have unlimited water, fire or soul runes

might be more enticing

since it's a buff it wouldn't need to be in a runepouch either

[quaint gate]

i know they use more, but its not hard to sustain these at all

[fathom sluice]

I'm very down for reviving some DG rewards, law/nat staves, and tome of frost while we're at it. Something like the illuminated godbooks having pages or wtv to charge it for better effects

[quaint gate]

im not trying to be negative but the idea of anything giving inf runes just seem a bit useless right now

[mint kernel]

https://discord.com/channels/303835144073248770/1279222896346271845

[fathom sluice]

again, in the context of Sponge saying he wouldnt mind making rune costs much higher, saving 1 rune (or 2 if it's a non-air spell) per cast isnt nothing

[fathom sluice]

👀

[mint kernel]

thing is, it'd be like a blessed flask for a runetype

[quaint gate]

if the essence stuff goes through and runes are better to be made i wouldnt mind more sustain

[mint kernel]

instead of spending a few thousand runes, and having to craft all of them, u could store em in a flask and sell it

[quaint gate]

in general i think more power in runes should be through runecrafting and not shop runs/mob drops

[mint kernel]

if you'd spend more runes in that period than the flask is worth, you'd get your moneys worth

basically rather than having a multiple thousands of runes waiting around

u'd just have 1 flask / boss arena

easier to manage

[quaint gate]

im not a fan of more hourly/ timed content so i wouldnt be in favour of it

[mint kernel]

no risk of running out halfway through either

could have it be in chunks of 6 hours like perfect plus

[fathom sluice]

Wdym, you don't like having to bring 4 upgraded rune pouches??? 😛

[marsh panther]

Is there a reason the crafting level doesnt match the mining level?

surely this wouldnt come out before 110 crafting

so the level band will exist for slabs

[rigid quiver]

I wish I had more meaningful feedback to give beyond I love this entire pitch, but I don’t. I guess maybe my only concern is that while I love events to break up skilling I don’t want this to turn into a DSF case where it’s a community event thing that you pass of fail as a group. Community aspects improving it fine, but look I’ve failed enough jellyfish punching despite putting in lots of work cause others just weren’t interested. Which is fine but that’s kind of the problem, there is no like middle ground so that those of us that are interested in doing it can succeed or get any consolation without those that have no interest.

Also can we have Rues flying around in the area? If he is gonna be our RCing pet I’d like him to appear in more RCing areas.

[crimson abyss]

There should be a momma Rue in there somewhere. Just a bigger version of the Rue pet.

[quiet sky]

think of it like a pokemon, rub a stone onto gemi and they magically evolve into a dragon, great skin amiright 😉

[uneven apex]

doubt this will be ready by june which is when 110 crafting is likely to be released

[marsh panther]

right

[remote ether]

I have a sneaking suspicion that an early pitch shortly before gamejam ends isn't coming out before june

[marsh panther]

that is indeed what im saying

Also quick pitch for when we get 130 mining/crafting, the next size after Essence Slab is clearly Essence Boulder

[rigid quiver]

I think this place is in havenhythe

Just the way the area looks it reminds me of the corrupted rocky area we saw in havenhythe art

[graceful dagger]

It gives me Daeyalt x Tears of Guthix x Abyss vibes. With a hint of Motherlode mine :^)
I love the concept

[mint kernel]

clearly it's underground at ashenfall

[crimson abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/boulder-avatar-the-last-airbender-gif-26220277

[earnest thorn]

Wait. What? So I have been wasting runes for years, I always just select the most powerful spell. Thinking I will do more damage.

[remote ether]

Spell scales, but never past weapon, and if you use a spell higher than your weapon, it scales down to the weapon tier

so yes you've wasted runes, I'm sad to say, if you used a spell way higher than your weapon.

[earnest thorn]

Well it's definitely a noob trap.

[hidden talon]

is the method making shards and using a processor intended to give crafting xp + runecrafting xp or just crafting xp?

like, is it crafting from making shards and then runecrafting from processing it? or just full on crafting for both?

[hidden talon]

@limber venture This sounds like an exciting addition and I look forward to it. Here are a couple questions and thoughts I had though.

1. Mining Rewards by Level
   Question:
   If I have level 105 Mining and I'm at the level 105 hotspot, will I exclusively receive essence slabs, or is there still a chance to get lower-tier materials like slivers, lumps, or chunks?

Feedback:
I believe receiving only the material matching the hotspot level (e.g., only slabs at level 105) is the cleanest and most rewarding approach. It reinforces the sense of progression and avoids cluttering inventories with lower-tier resources.

2. Integration with the Existing Rune Essence Mine
   Suggestion:
   Have you considered making this an expansion of the current Rune Essence Mine? The idea of a surface-level mine for traditional rune essence and deeper layers for improved essence gathering and Exalted Essence would be a logical and immersive evolution. This also helps new players organically discover the deeper mechanics as they progress, offering a smooth transition

3. Empowered Hotspots
   Feedback:
   Three minutes feels short for empowered hotspot durations. Increasing it to five minutes would better support planning and allow for more meaningful bursts of efficient Exalted Essence gathering. Maybe consider an unlock that achieves this effect, or adjust the base duration?

4. Inventory & Processing Experience
   Question:
   Do shards stack? I’m assuming they do — and I think it’s important that they do for inventory management and overall system flow.

5. Essence Processor and Multi-Step Conversion
   Clarification Question:
   As I understand it:
   • You mine slivers, lumps, chunks, or slabs
   • Break them into shards, granting Crafting XP
   • Then process shards into rune essence via the processor, granting more meaningful XP (Crafting or Runecrafting? It wasn’t explicitly stated in the post, but I’m assuming Runecrafting)
   • Alternatively, you can turn in raw materials (slivers, chunks, slabs, etc.) to an NPC for quick, reduced essence (but no XP)
   Is this accurate?

Feedback:
If so, this multi-step process is logical and thematically sound — it makes sense that raw stone would need to be refined into usable essence. However, rather than relying on what sounds like a purely mechanical processor, I think there’s an opportunity to add something more interactive and immersive that ties directly into the Runecrafting skill.

New Suggestion:
Instead of a traditional machine, perhaps the center of the room could feature a Runecrafting-style altar or magical focus — something arcane and elemental, or a mix of arcane and industrial.
Functionally, this altar/focus would allow you to convert shards into rune essence using your Runecrafting skill, with interactive options such as:

• Quick Convert: Instantly convert all essence shards into appropriate essence. Low interaction, reduced XP, and similar to how runes are generally crafted.

• Manual Channeling: Choose to actively siphon energy through Runecrafting, creating essence more slowly but gaining more Runecrafting XP and potentially producing exalted essence when using regular rune essence shards — or additional exalted essence when using exalted essence shards.

• Raw materials (slivers, lumps, slabs, etc.) can alternatively still be turned into the NPC for a reduced amount of essence and with no xp or additional benefits. This way you at least give an incentive to craft them into shards first if able and, rewarding players who engage with the intermediary step. It also makes more logical sense, as you're trading raw unrefined/ non-crafted materials for an end product.

[bronze edge]

I'm a bit confused, does this just produce regular/pure essence in high quantities, or a new type of essence that does a new thing?

[uneven apex]

says it on the tin

the normal essence material you get is made into shards and put into an essence processor that gives you essence in a nearby chest, the empowered hotspots give you exalted material that is instead processed into exalted essence

[bronze edge]

oh i didn't see that bit lol

[uneven apex]

exalted essence cannot be taken through the abyss and instead provides its own bonus (up in the air what it is) for altar running

I imagine that part of the design will depend on what exactly the abyss ends up being from a separate runecrafting gamejam project

[bronze edge]

So fun fact at one point in development Lunar Diplomacy was intended to provide access to a new type of essence from the Lunar Isle mine, which would have given you 2x runes per essence https://runescape.wiki/w/Large_essence

So exalted essence can kind of be seen as a (coincidental) reintroduction of that idea.

Anyway uh some other thoughts:

• Curious about where this new mine would be, there are limited locations that would make sense lore-wise, assuming it has to be somewhere the Stone of Jas was for a long period of time and be somewhat accessible - Fist of Guthix, maybe?

• If there's a new abyssal familiar, we need the Abyssal guardian. It's a funny little guy.

[uneven apex]

if its gonna be a runecraft familiar it should probably be something completely new

considering current ones are not encounterable

I imagine an abyssal event will include all new abyssals, so it would probably be one of them. For mechanics I'd say first off 30 slot inventory for essence, and a bonus for the area so it's useful for both

[rigid quiver]

Well the SoJ has huge blanks in its timeline pre-guthix, but also they might be tapping into ashenfall where rune essence founts exist and they aren’t from the SoJ to my understanding?

[uneven apex]

it looks like an elder god egg area tbh

[rigid quiver]

It looks like how rune essence geysers do in ashenfall

Huh that’s odd why did the image do that…try again with a different one

[uneven apex]

oh yeah also wanna say fantastic inclusion incorporating agility shortcuts just as a matter-of-course

game needs more of that

pickpockettable NPCs that don't necessarily exist to be a whole training method but for the items you can get from them is good too

[bronze edge]

the parasite is based on the leech, actually!

[sour osprey]

Rune guardian could be transformed in pet interface - graphically updated and made into skins that you can freely change

[naive raptor]

essence definitely needs a rework/refresh and the ideas look really interesting!

[old elbow]

If anything, I'd say throw various runespheres into the Runespan overflow event, they're annoying to go out of the way for in the runespan and they feel very much not worth the time within the runespan, and if they happen to progress this achievement, that'd be really neat.

[limber venture]

i found this whilst doing investigations - couldn't figure out the use even behind the scenes though

[old elbow]

Exalted essence, the greed in me wants to say it ought to be a large rune multiplier, that's the the best way to get my interest in doing this content long term.

XP feels kinda flooded as a reward space whilst the abyss/attuner exists at it currently does, given Mod Frosh has changes to base rates in the works, I don't think RC will need more XP?

Stackable/AFK does nothing for me unless it was to be outright better than normal abyss running, which it ought not to be, also it just kinda ends up being a competitor to runespan/proteans? I'd be happy if protean ess aren't the best option somehow by the normal gameplay offering better options, but like, is that an option?

Shouldn't be tradable.

[limber venture]

but if you do get one you can use it on altars like any rune ess

[limber venture]

love me some rune multipliers

[old elbow]

Rune production number goes up

[limber venture]

intention was just the single item not lower tiers yeah.

[limber venture]

considered yeah - breezy was keen on it too; my concern is making what is essentially the starting area for essence to complex.

• i also think i can do more interesting lore stuff if it's disconnected

[old elbow]

Tbh, I'd want any changes to rune essence mine to be, in essence, a love letter to the gift of guthix book.

So that this'd be separate would be ideal?

[limber venture]

got any references? - its on my shelf 😅

[old elbow]

Not without major spoilers....
But, at the very least, pic highly related.

[carmine hazel]

@half trail made most if not all the wiki pages for the RS novel stuffs
Contact him via commorb or Sir Tiffy 👀

[limber venture]

ty

didn't realise the wiki had novel stuff!

[old elbow]

Oh yeah it's a full on rs encyclopaedia at this point.

[bronze edge]

the actual code is only in the 2007 backup's wip branch apparently

[quaint flower]

there is an essence mine on lunar island, if that somewhat matters for the design.

[bronze edge]

I always thought it'd be cool if we could go to the area of the Lunar Isle mine V found the Stone of Jas in

which I always pictured as being down the pit in the middle

[marsh panther]

Could just rename it all to daeyalt

Or it could be a part of the first age dig site area on havenhythe

Lots of options

[half trail]

WOOAH HEY!!
I didn't know this was up! Give me a second to get caught up here!

[carmine hazel]

I pinged you about it in RAC yesterday! I even yelled "lore!"

[half trail]

How did I miss that??

Oh my God, hi, hello, hey

Ok so what are we working with, we've got a whole new expansion to the essence mine? 👀

[carmine hazel]

sorta yessir! check the design document in the pinned post!

[half trail]

I'm reading over it now!

Right off the bat, that is... PRETTY huge

Whole wars have been fought over the Essence Mine

It's the reason people can use magic and the entire world exists as it does today, the reason the 5th Age even happened

It's also the reason access to it is so curtailed

Only a few people know the actual location of the mine and the spell to reach it (that "Senventior disthine molenko" incantation they cast to send you there)

The idea that there's actually just been another one all this time is pretty crazy??

[limber venture]

so not to divulge too much lore from the new mine but the current intent is that it 'hasnt' been there all this time 👀 its relatively new

[half trail]

Ooooh, interesting interesting!

Either way, the implications of this could be... literally earthshattering?

Rune essence seems to come from specific locations where the Stone of Jas once rested

[carmine hazel]

Bit off-topic, when it comes to gamejam projects like this, are you free to do what you want (lore-wise) or does it still need to get approved by the Lore Council?

[half trail]

It'll be interesting to see how we've found new essence

Sliske brought a fake, the real Stone is still out there

[carmine hazel]

the real one is the Stone of Jas plug in our POH aquarium
nobody would ever expect it

[half trail]

[quaint flower]

So going over a few things.
Currently xp you have scaled as a placeholder is extremely strong at lower levels. 45 minning requirement for 55k xp an hour means you bypass the next 15 levels in a short span.

The exalted essence should be tradable if you are adding restrictions to them like no abyss usage. Herblore habitat has ecosystem that might be worth considering, where none of the in-between or starting steps are tradable, but the end result is.

Also might be worth having exalted being gained from non empowered nodes, at a low chance, to have players new to the activity get introduced to them earlier. That helps feed into discovery, curiosity, and experimenting.

[half trail]

Yeah though, a lot of BIG lore implications here, a lot of room to bring in some nice references to other content!

Was there any specific area in particular we're looking at?

[marsh panther]

Ooo it could be under sliske’s morytania base where he kept the SoJ

[half trail]

That'd limit access for free players, surely?

[marsh panther]

Or wherever he kept it between dishonor among thieves and endgame

[marsh panther]

Yes?

[half trail]

Isn't the whole idea to create a more accessible form of rune crafting?

[uneven apex]

probably not for f2p

[old elbow]

Yeah with the min level being lv 45, I gotta say f2p is getting nothing here.

Or it's highly unlikely

[marsh panther]

Altho i did just notice the pitch doesnt say pure essence

Just “essence”

[old elbow]

Pure essence getting deleted as part of wider rc work afaik?

[limber venture]

so generally speaking we're free in general but everything before going live would get guided by lore council yeah / tweaked as needed

[limber venture]

good points

for XP it was very placeholder/loosely based off wiki numbers for current ores

[quaint flower]

They might end up cleaning up pure and rune essence since they no longer serve their original purpose. At this point you could combine them or change the function of one. Right now rune essence are more the pure.

[marsh panther]

Generally the intent is that the mining/crafting xp is worse than if you were doing core ore at that level band, yeah?

[quaint flower]

If that's the case, then the game power creeped harder then I realized.

[marsh panther]

Well i mean

Disregarding the guesstimate rates

Combo skilling activities usually tend to be worse

In each individual skill

[quaint flower]

But that still stands where at those rates, you don't even get a full 10 hours of that level bracket. But not worth arguing, just highlighting.

[limber venture]

yeah

the thing with mining is its quick through low lvs but you need to stick around to get enough to smith

[hot charm]

big fan overall. do you have any rough idea of how much pess you'd want it to output per hour?

[olive niche]

what essence rates will you get?

more or less

[uneven apex]

more than now.

[opaque birch]

This is a big one. Hyped with just reading them. Skilling should be the best method for essence gathering. I would suggest a rune multiplier instead of xp buff that can be bottled or stored for later from a random event

[uneven apex]

considering the extra steps and skills involved, arguably it should already compete with abyssal demon farming at level 45

at the very least, 65

[split vault]

....will there be a quest involved is my question?
screams in "Rune Exaltation"

[vapid pine]

I think this could be a really good opportunity to get magical thread even more accessible within the skill. Perhaps part of exalted essence’s boost is that it gets you a chance at thread without the other buffs/boosts that you normally have to use

[safe geyser]

Stackable rune essence? Like the kind you can buy in the rewards shop in the wizard tower. Let that be the product from the mine.

[acoustic quail]

While I always like the rune multiplier bonuses, I worry about how magic currently is most runes are already fairly cheap and generally low value. Increasing supply without magic seeing it's time in the sun come again and thus rune prices going up could see this sink runes into the bargain bin. Which is not automatically a bad thing, but would be a bit of a bummer to see profits in skilling go down. Time runes already ran into the problem of not enough consumption Vs supply.

[coral thunder]

This whole concept sounds great, but giving normal pure essence would make it less appealing as abyssal creatures already give so many per hour, this essence could give additional xp like 1.5-2x depending on the rate of gathering, and this is just a wish of mine, a way to "buy" runes through runecrafting, like "enchanting" the anima stones we have for X gp per, and now it gives (100) or something bonus runes, it wouldnt be profitable to do just reduces dailyscape for buying runes
and throw in a skilling boss, this is a perfect setting for an rc/div/agil type encounter to subdue a threat for rewards

[acoustic quail]

Another idea: could the stuff gained from this mine be used to craft both flavours of the runecrafting multiplying anima stones? If the recipe includes pure essence, then it also solves the issue of pure essence obsolescence. This combined with necromancy runes (and abyss runecrafting) would keep it relevant.

[quaint eagle]

Should turn the gloves into necklaces. Other than the sliskes endgame jewelry set effect, we don't really have a necklace slot item for runecrafting. Can add new varieties and make them chargeable.

[hollow cobalt]

I love this gamejam suggestion, some unlockable rewards could be added after x amount of time doing this i.e. improvements to combination runecrafting like multipliers for this type of rune

[split rover]

Tbh I'd want the new essence to be stackable, with a process similar to using protean essence, but giving runes

Afk + some runes and xp

[simple perch]

Is it not the case that augmenting isn’t a thing below t70 (or was it 60?)?

[carmine hazel]

yeah, t70 for weapons/armour, t60 for tools, t1 for exceptions (excalibur & flowers come to mind)

I feel like there'd personally be no harm in adding the staff to the list of exceptions for the sake of a utility item - I doubt anyone is gonna pvm with it

[simple perch]

Does the [[master construction outfit]] inherit the regular [[construction outfit]] xp boost? I would assume so, and would expect that to work at fort (even without any of the master-specific buffs being relevant)

[nimble marten]

Wiki links found:
https://runescape.wiki/w/Master_constructor's_outfit
https://runescape.wiki/w/Constructor's_outfit

[simple perch]

(Heh, TIL it helps at Croesus - wonder if anyone’s ever used that)

[simple perch]

Thought Excalibur was only the t70 version?

[carmine hazel]

oh it is, TIL, my bad

[simple perch]

Is there any reason ever to augment flowers after the tutorial?

[carmine hazel]

oh, (offhand) rubber chicken is augmentable as well

[simple perch]

And are there any perks that are useful in any way to non-combat magic?

[split vault]

Think stuff like that was more for the tags than anything

[carmine hazel]

Mobile comes to mind as immediate example
Maybe some niche cases for Glow Worm as well (can't think of any atm)

[simple perch]

Hmm, seems annoying to have mobile on a 2h

[carmine hazel]

could be nice for early-game clues (I get the weirdness in saying "early game" and "Invention perks" together) - save 4 inventory slots and get Mobile

[simple perch]

Also curious what people use the elemental staff for that isn’t bankstanding

Eh, I guess

[carmine hazel]

On my old iron I used it for MTA - I got lucky and got the elemental staff before I got a rune pouch

[simple perch]

Mobile relic is accessible a lot earlier than invention too

[simple perch]

Ooh, nice

[topaz hazel]

Sorry for interrupting, just caught up on this gamejam idea. Commenting mostly on the fact of mining essence and turning them into shards;
Do you have any numbers in how many essence shards are expected to be gathered per hour? From slivers, lumps, chunks and slabs.

If we consider that the current max amount of essence gathered with cb is around 20k/h, at lvl 105 crafting/mining it should at least give 2000 shards/h with the current placeholder value of 1 shard -> 10ess, meaning you'd have to mine 133 slabs per hour. So one slab every 30 seconds. I'd like to see the numbers even higher tbh at that high level of mining/crafting but has there been any word on the balancing to be as appealing as putting on some cb gear and afking abyssal demons?

[simple perch]

I got the fury (t) extremely early on my iron, was wearing that for a very, very long time

Been hoping for the elemental staff, but no luck so far

[simple perch]

Would be one thing with the RC outfit (simply not adding any relevant benefits, similar to the construction outfit at fort), but if it uses core mining system would feel unfair for e.g. the crit boost to not work

[earnest thorn]

Its a joke item, you augment it for the same reason you do for all joke items.

Joke items are special as they are the only Non T70+ weapons to be argumented.

[quaint eagle]

I love how lots of these comments and conversations aren't related to this game jam. >,<

[simple perch]

Like how WFEs still give you XP if you get the personal threshold?

[muted valve]

Could absolutely put this content in the Dark Wizards tower that's being remade.

That aside, if this just gives better exp, it wouldn't be too different from OSRS'S Daeyalt Essence

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Daeyalt_essence

[simple perch]

Yeah, we have articles on almost anything you can think of. Novels, characters and events from them, livestreams, irl merch, the Lego set, and a lot more

[quaint gate]

i ❤️ daeyalt essence

[rotund terrace]

Really like the ideas, few notes.

1. exalted essence should definitely be tradable and be good exp/rune production.

2. I feel like exalted spots should be the "active node" like time sprites from arch rather than an occasional event.

3. Anima springs sounds like it should give anima stones as a reward.

4. Thieving for summoning secondaries I'm a fan of. A new essence carrier would be cool but also a RC familiar that does something else would also be cool i.e. give it a scroll effect that is like the time rune spell that was scrapped that refilled your pouches. Perhaps once every 2-3 mins it can draw essence from your bank.

5. In terms of other rewards, perhaps a chance at finding a new type of gem, perhaps a "pristine essence fragment", that can be turned into 2 amulets. One to increase rune yield and another to increase exp gained.

[muted valve]

Right, if we're doing the XP addition, would love for Daeyalt Essence to be added to RS3 from OSRS

[quaint gate]

can be ported in whatever way fits rs3 best, but the concept of mining ur own essence leading to better xp is very cool imo

especially if theres the chunks that are proposed it also incentivizes leveling up your mining for it

[muted valve]

Mhmm!

[thorny canopy]

Right now the only source for unlimited Mud Runes is killing the Dagannoth prime. There was a staff released as a part of treasure hunter that doesn't work for irons. And the elemental staff from Master clue scrolls.

Very limited sources.

[quaint gate]

im not sure i understand, whats wrong here

[mint kernel]

More combination rune staves would be nice, it's true

[quaint gate]

you would primarily use a staff like that for noncombat purposes so its fine no?

[thorny canopy]

It just seems like an area that could be expanded upon due the lack of available options.

The Elemental staff is special that it provides air runes. As far as i know there is no staff outside of the "Mystical staff" that provides water, earth, fire.

[earnest thorn]

I once killed the Zombies in the lair for Mud Runes

[limber venture]

thanks for the feedback for clarity the intention is that exalted spots are always around - its just that they move less frequently than the timesprite (up for debate how often)

[quaint gate]

https://runescape.wiki/w/Limitless_staff

[rigid quiver]

Are you open to including some danger in this activity? A little more risk vs reward think say soul obelisks and how they quickly kill you. Not for the whole thing mind you but maybe a rare spawning essence vein replacing one of the others like tears of Guthix swapping tears or how Croesus front resources occasionally turn more rewarding. That hurts you or steals stuff from you or something in return for better/more essence.

[limber venture]

yeah absolutely

[clear whale]

Love the idea overall and I'd LOVE more lore/background ideas you have for this. Because conceptually it seems rich with lore opportunities. This feels like its worthy of being a reward to a really cool quest or other. Some points:

• Exalted essence feels like it should be just consistent to gather in a way rather than happening every now and again. It can be active to gather rather than AFK, but as long as every world has an exalted spot up at all times.
• With the random events a consideration if they give RC xp should be "is it better XP/hr to just chase these than do RC proper". Players will absolutely spend their time chasing these events if it provides a strong XP/hr. I'm thinking Menaphos rep as a good example here, where you spend your time chasing Obelisks as they appear. I am not against this at all (personally I love these community driven methods where you work with other players scouting worlds to chase events for big XP) but it should be considered as to whether or not this will be an option.
• For the above, would you consider having one of them be an exalted essence reward as well? Just as another way to get it. "Exalted Essence Guardian" maybe?
• Would also reccomend changing one of the world mining bonuses into a world RC bonus of some kind.
• With exalted essence I feel like the goal should be "Expensive but fast" RC training. Current RC methods you get a ton of resources back in runes, while also getting the fastest XP rates for the skill. I'd be in favour of a method that doesnt give many runes back, and/or costs a large amount. But in return gives a significantly higher XP/hr method. Something that is a pure resource/money sink. (Maybe theres room to create a spirit shard like secondary for exalted essence as a pure GP sink)
• Consider how exalted essence would work with Soul Altar due to its different mechanics.

[rigid quiver]

Sweet, I think my preference be that it be injected into the events side of the activity rather than the core. Well actually I have two minds of this.

One it could be done like senntisten shadows or the Jang shi vampyre in the arc, forgot its name. Where there is a zone in this area that is continuously harmful to remain in and gets worse the longer you remain but is much more rewarding in some fashion. It could be that once you exit the zone you have to recover a bit before entering, could be you can enter and exit a limited number of times before cool down like your body reached its limit. Sorta like BGH having a cool down on its critters but perhaps not as severe?

The other way would be to just have a few risk vs reward random events.

[winged scroll]

And this is how we add a passive effect to Elite Tectonic... charging it up at the Exalted Essence Mine 👀

Something... something... Staff of Sliske

[limber venture]

Doing some food then will try to get back to all the above (except staff of sadness)

[sturdy cliff]

Sounds good and looks good!

The core of the idea i've little to add to, but the random events sound a little uninspired to me. I think there could be more done there, especially for rewards.
Rewards could definitely be better, instead of skill boost for X minutes. How about some teleports to certain runecrafting altars (could even be straight up the tablets that are already in game?
How about an event, where suddenly (for X amount of time) all you can mine/process is dark essence?
What about a (very) rare drop that acts as an add-on/upgrade for the runic attuner that improves its effects?

Edit: I'd also like to see it work well with the new materials for the upcoming invention update.

[limber venture]

Can definitely go more out there on the events - I’d be wary of them being toooo disruptive

Attuner upgrade I’m unsure on given how exclusive it is - I could see a lower tier attuner maybe then an upgrade that buffs both

[coral thunder]

+1 on teleport tablets becausue offhand needs them and they dont come easily unless wicked hood tele charges

[limber venture]

Teleports sound good

Somone previously pitched the stackable essence from rc guild could come from here in someform too

[remote ether]

Tbh I feel like instead of a low tier attuner, I'd buff crafting multipler you get making runes during GOP then drop requirement to start from 4 to 2 (or even 1)

Because that minigame have you doing a variety of altars without going to the top level ones

I miss Great Orb Project honestly

[coral thunder]

can we have a "buyable" runes option like osrs scar essence mine, use gp to get rune multiper but no extra xp, wouldnt be profitable to make just reduces daily scape shop runs

[limber venture]

I purposely didn’t add a reward store because I’m personally a little sick of em

But if needed we could add one - accrue currency as you process essence and you can spend that on teleports / stackable essence etc

[remote ether]

It does feel a bit off to me that everything has a reward currency yeah.

Sometimes its nice if you just earn stuff as drops or gathering

[coral thunder]

i mean, shards could be made into tablets on poh lecterns

[remote ether]

Thats not a bad idea

lets people make more tablets per trip to lectern

[limber venture]

That’d be fine? Shards + talisman or something

I guess the usefulness would depend on time making tablets vs run time

[remote ether]

Honestly tablets being made from essence makes more sense than clay

[coral thunder]

unless things like death/blood/cosmic talismans are added to more drop tables thats harsh

[limber venture]

What’s the current value? (On mobile)

They could easily be added I imagine they’re rare atm because there’s no uses

[remote ether]

blood and soul tally are 70k and 90k respectively

[quaint flower]

I brought this up for other RC qol stuff, but we are currently missing teleport tabs for the time rune alter, and soul rune alter. It just seems like they were forgotten great orb projects items when those alters released.

[remote ether]

everything else is a few hundred to a few thousand gp

[coral thunder]

blood is 70k, i was more thinking in terms of ironman ngl, ive had thousands of water talismans but basically 0 non elemental

and the tablets would probably be balanced around those rather than accomodate irons

to be more clear, mains have mtx wicked hood charges so the idea from the beginning was to make it usable for ironmen

[limber venture]

Yeah cool for clarity if doing it we’d add e.g bloods to blood velds so you can go farm a few hundred relatively quickly

[trail urchin]

I love everything here except the outcrop. I think it's bland and just feels off that some rocks grow to block pathes. Everything else is magic themed and feels very otherworldly.

[limber venture]

Noted - feel free to suggest replacements

I had an idea for doing something with the old abyss teleport random event (the levers stuff) but it seemed just annoying

[remote ether]

Blood talisman discovery is actually a notable part of Legacy of Seergaze.

I'd buff the rate from columbarium, maybe add it to vyrelords (or something new in late sections of havenhythe)

[trail urchin]

I dont think it needs a replacement unless you specifically are looking for an event that stops players from clicking an exalted essence and walking away

[remote ether]

Don't think its a good idea to add it to pre-Legacy of Seergaze stuff because that feels weird in progression

[limber venture]

Na just more interested in the sort of events people would want

[quaint gate]

this would be so welcome, especially since irons really need a gold sink

doesnt have to be cheap the price can be dummy high

[marsh panther]

Puzzles and math equations

[coral thunder]

not a world hopping shop plz

[limber venture]

Mutated bloodless

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

Blood velds *

[quaint gate]

special essence multipliers that modify runes crafted by 10x but requires a stupid cost to buy

essentially not ruining the economy for mains but giving a real gold sink

[clear whale]

You monster

One of the puzzles should be a clue slider that just turns into an image of Staff of Sliske

400 steps minimum

[trail urchin]

kekw

[carmine hazel]

Elemental Workshop puzzles?

[clear whale]

Id love for chasing the events to be a training method in themselves but depends how you wanna design their RC xp rates

Personal preference though all the way

[quaint gate]

timed puzzles and evil chicken spawns

XD

[clear whale]

I just like the community tracking these events across worlds etc and chasing and hopping for xp rates. Lots of fun

[coral thunder]

skilling boss rather than random events

[trail urchin]

There is definitely a balance to be had between letting people afk (because that is a very popular way to play the game) and a "FOMO" on the rewards of the random events whether its the mining buff, xp, items etc

I do overall really like the idea here that gives a fresh way to obtain essence that isn't slaying abyssal demons.

[mint kernel]

speaking of talismans

would being able to put em in your pocket be infringing on tiaras?

[trail urchin]

Who let A'Sol in here

im still in favour of a tiara rework

[limpid trail]

Speaking of random events, what do you think of a Great Orb Project style “overflow” where orbs appear and you have to attract them to the altar? Not something we can do with barehands while mining but a gop style event would definitely be interesting imo

[half plover]

Swap clue pet to meek and you'll get a bunch of support lol.

[simple perch]

I feel like wicked hood has already made tiaras basically entirely obsolete?

[mint kernel]

well yea, but atleast someone needs to be aware of it existing first

[brazen glen]

Is there a design reason for Crafting requirements being lower than Mining, given that 110 Crafting is scheduled to launch next month?

[graceful dagger]

I'd guess because it is still primarily a mining mechanic, and it's replacing the pre-existing mining system

[uneven apex]

the table has them lower but the rest of the document has them at the same level

[marsh panther]

O

[brazen glen]

It must have been an unintended discrepancy.

[trail urchin]

free mtx bait. nah but fr, it would definitely be niche but that goes for anything cosmetic. Im sure people were asking the same thing before we got the very first ability reskin (wasnt it the red sunshine or was it azure dragonbreath)

[trail urchin]

https://discord.com/channels/303835144073248770/1365051931566931999 I think this is kinda what you want?

[mint kernel]

think it was the thok headbutt animation from the dg task set

[trail urchin]

I would love combo runes to become relevant, would work very well in tandem with the rune pouches.

[trail urchin]

Hot take but bring back Mind Runes and such being needed for combat spells on the regular spell book. I always saw it as the Mind rune or wahtever was the actual "damage" and the elemental rune was the "accuracy"

[fathom sluice]

I'd almost argue for combo runes to become their own separate rune because of rune pouches. Inventory slots used to come at a premium, but now I can bring 2 grasping pouch and wear a 3rd to bring 12 types of runes, where I can fit
air/water/earth/fire & body/cosmic/astral/law & chaos/death/blood/soul
You'd be missing the unimportant: mind, nature, time, and finally armadyl

There are 6 more runes if you include the combo runes! The mud runes are kind of stuck from being in the ovl pipeline. Otherwise, all kinda useless?

[trail urchin]

I think it should happen in the same update, we get a proper way to really supply ourselves with combo runes, and they bring back standard spellbook attacks using 2 types of runes

[uneven apex]

and then they can make new spells for combo runes most importantly lava spells

[trail urchin]

Yeah there would also become room for them to either make some crazy spells that require 6 runes where youd realistically be "required" to use combo runes, or even just have spells require the combo rune themselves.

[graceful dagger]

That was an intent behind the RC update but it was deemed to be too large in scope iirc

Unsure if it's been pushed back (And potentially to be done say with 110 mage) or just shelved for the moment tho

[trail urchin]

i do remember reading that yes

[uneven apex]

no it was scrapped for the update and they pivoted to time runes

they're still interested in making changes to combo runes though

[trail urchin]

@limber venture Lowkey this feels like more than a gamejam and I think you should get additional developement assistance with it to really flesh it out. This is a fantastic idea

[stiff trellis]

I am a big fan of these cross skill style methods, even more so if they can be used to either provide quality of life or fix an existing problem. Something that might be nice to see added to this is a way to eat excess talismans from the economy.

[uneven apex]

There was an idea of having talismans act as basically consumable portable altars but it hasn't been brought up since the early 110 runecrafting RCE days

[stiff trellis]

Not sure if a portable altar would be interesting enough, especially as you don't have a chance at thread and such. Maybe overloading an altar so that it consumes essence and the runes that would have been made for a large amount of xp?

[trail urchin]

I don't like a portable Altar thematically, I do like the overloading altar tho

[fringe sun]

Hey, sorry if I'm a bit late to the conversation but runecrafting updates/reworks are something I'm really interested in so wanted to have a look and give my feedback/opinions! Not sure if it's known but I believe Mod Frosch was working on runecrafting fixes for their gamejam and wondering if there'd be any overlap between the projects?
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Essence Mining - Not much to comment on or add here, seems a good spread following on from rune essence at level 1 mining and pure essence at level 30 mining.

Essence Processing - Converting into shards would need to be beneficial to go for the highest level resource (if slivers only make 3 compared to slabs's 15 but are 5x quicker to gather it'll feel like the higher unlock isn't useful), then converted into essence. Biggest thing here would be balancing.

Exalted Essences - Imo should be untradeable but nice to add some variety, this area seems like the one that would best play into Frosch's runecrafting gamejam as there was a lot of feedback on removing the demonic skull/XP buff from the Abyss (so the Abyss would be more optional for the teleport/threads rather than feeling required to train outside the Runespan).

Random Events -
Essence Guardian might feel a bit annoying needing to pick up the talisman from a different area to start but otherwise the mechanic seems fine. The reward it'd be important that the type doesn't feel useless (eg. the type is mind runes so no one bothers as they're not worth enough?); maybe something like depending on your RC level it'd roll on a different table for what type it is so players new to the area aren't missing out from a soul guardian and higher level players don't feel their time is wasted on a mind guardian?

Runespan Overflow I narratively love as currently the Runespan feels too disconnected from the majority of the skill (both narratively and mechanically) despite spanning the entire range of levels. A mining buff after siphoning from essence creatures feels a little odd but could be that we're "energised" from the magic that leaked out?

Anima Springs I think I'd tie into also being Runespan related, both events have us siphon into the essence we've created there and end with a mining buff so I think work better as variants of the same thing? Runespan Overflow which can take the form of essence creatures entering or from rifts leaking anima through. Feel very similar already with similar rewards so imo make sense to tie together.

Evolving Outcrop could be very annoying as it interrupts the main training, forcing you to engage where the others are optional buffs, imo this is the weakest of the events.

Abyss Jail Break similar to Runespan Overflow I love tying in other parts of runecrafting. Would these creatures be aggressive as this is mainly a skilling activity? I'm not sure I like the bringing in combat to increase the time, however maybe tying it into rune guardians to fight for you so skillers that haven't brought any combat gear can create/awaken guardians to also increase time by having them fight the abyssal creatures?

As above, maybe some other event involving us making/using rune guardians to our benefit.

[uneven apex]

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[fringe sun]

Ah ty! One does seem like a rework to the existing while this is more an addition of something new, I think exalted essence is where the main overlap would happen if Frosch's includes changes to the Abyss

[white holly]

Amazing idea and well thought out. Green light this and lets make it happen!

[uneven apex]

just realized, a suggestion if no one brought it up prior: world buff that involves buffs to crafting runes or runespan? instead of the events in the mine purely just feeding back into the mine

[fringe sun]

Something like a portal opens to an altar/runespan you can jump through and use your essence to make runes there?

[uneven apex]

mayhaps that in particular as an individualized random event, could even make it so the runic attuner lets you choosewhat altar portals show up if they were ever so inclined to make changes to it ever within the lifespan of the universe

[humble lark]

sounds like that rifts thing from osrs whicjh was fun

[trail urchin]

@limber venture anything else you can give us on this idea?

[uneven apex]

gamejam is over so I imagine no

[lapis jackal]

love it let's slap it in the game as soon as possible ❤️

[half trail]

I'd be curious to hear where we're at so far? 👀

[fathom sluice]

I mean, nowheres, right? Gamejam is over, so next news to be expected is likely next GJ

[half trail]

I would hardly say nowhere

What's the idea so far?

What sort of content might we be looking at?

[fathom sluice]

Well so.. If you've kept up to date thus far, there wouldnt be anything new. This is not a new project with funding/resources beyond the scope of a gamejam. So Sponge designed the idea in GJ, and until management allocates time for it, or it gets completed in future GJ, there is no news to expect

[half trail]

No yeah, I guess that's what I'm saying haha

I'm not looking for an update, I suppose I just want to double check if I have kept up to date

[fathom sluice]

May 2nd was the last msg from Sponge, so I assume you know as much as we all do 🙂

[half trail]

Assume I know nothing

What's the idea behind the Exalted Essence Mine?

[fathom sluice]

Oh I see.
TLDR rune essence mine but not lame
It's Hall of Memories for RC; random events, secluded to one location
Meant to be the source of pure essence, and mine/craft xp comparable to uncommon gemstone.
tie-ins to other skills like agi, hunt, thiev

[half trail]

Innnnteresting

[fathom sluice]

sorry for misunderstanding earlier
The initial post has a big wall of text with most of the details that were shared. Sponge clarified other stuff, but it's pretty much the concept

[half trail]

Oh no problem at all!

[trail urchin]

The source from skilling that is ideally on par or better than afking abyssal creatures

[cursive pebble]

Might this add an alternate, slower way to obtain impure essence? Potentially from an uncommon event?

[trail urchin]

id imagine not since you are supposed to ensoul it