Roll back half of the balancing and visual effects

[crisp wasp]

Roll back all gun changes to the stats, actually listen to the magazine suggestion that was made, make the Anti-Grenade trophy much smaller, lower the amount of particles and fix the damn performance.

Longer version: #1444427154967367690 message

I cant put it any simpler than this, just roll back half of it broskis

[marble eagle]

The TTK changes are so buns

[crisp wasp]

Playtest can be summed up as 50% good and 50% mega buns

[marble eagle]

Absolutely. Shame the performance got in the way so much...

[hasty nova]

yup

besides it being unplayable for more than 15 minutes at a time, the ttk sucks, the fog sucks, the night mode sucks, the star wars tracers suck, the new gun names suck

[crisp wasp]

Im way to disappointed to list everything i hate

[marble eagle]

Fog is a part of the larger visibility issue. Everything is so sharp and defined and contrast-y it makes spotting players so much harder.

Oh yeah and those voicelines can go

Goofy as hell and they don't even make sense. Why is a russian talking like an american action hero?

[crisp wasp]

I can voice act better than that

[marble eagle]

Might make a longer doc tomorrow to list all + and - of the playtest

[deep siren]

that is a short list for +

[crisp wasp]

very short

well sort of

[deep siren]

did they even touch gadgets at all?

[crisp wasp]

like i said 50% IS good

[crisp wasp]

for the better AND worse

[deep siren]

not from my (short) experience

[crisp wasp]

you should have seen antinade

they ruined it

[deep siren]

both riot shield and c4 are still ass (in different ways) and i didnt have time to test other

no thats wrong i had the time but i didnt want to

[hasty nova]

yeah this game is supposed to be a voip game so the voicelines make no sense

wait where is teh riot shield isnt it a support gadget

[crisp wasp]

I think they tried the BF route but failed
BADLY

[crisp wasp]

Assault
Unless they changed it

[hasty nova]

i thought it was support

[hasty nova]

wdym bf route

[burnt quest]

C4 is less of a building/tank thing and more of what we use it for currently

Funny how that works

[deep siren]

assault only

[timber saffron]

and revert the lb negative collective change

[deep siren]

its still a magnet that flies to everything close to it just not where its supposed to

[hasty nova]

also why the fuck is the UH-1 sight's reticle now an option for the eotech but not the UH-1??????

[burnt quest]

Yeah it still shreds infantry

[hasty nova]

nowhere to be found

and yet it is on the eotech

[crisp wasp]

Voicelines for immersion and people that dont speak + being able to hear enemy team voice lines if they are close enough

[hasty nova]

thats not really the bf route tho

people havent been speaking in bbr for 2 years now

and it makes sense you can hear enemy voicelines because you can hear enemy voip

[crisp wasp]

Yeah they did poorly in BBR

[deep siren]

which sucks if you have no control over them

[hasty nova]

they should just remove them

also remove the shitty field points thing

let me spawn in if we have tickets

[crisp wasp]

Roll back half of the balancing and visual effects

[tawdry kite]

not only they tried making the game feel like a battlefield game, it also ruined the game. the new update doesn't feel like bbr anymore, it feels like overhauled-lego-battlefield game.

[hasty nova]

honestly i kinda wish the graphics were worse

like old bbr

it feels different

[deep siren]

from what i have seen its no longer the game i bought years ago

[hasty nova]

yeah

[tawdry kite]

thats what makes bbr differ from other games. if the team wants the game to go from this blocky arcade game to blocky realism game, might as well play battlefield instead.

[crisp wasp]

I dont mind some of the BF stuff they added but they did it so, so badly

God it makes me mad

[hasty nova]

yeah

[marble eagle]

I'll try to remember to make this. I'll post it here if I do

[fast glen]

Fire balancing guy, bro did absolutely trash job

[noble silo]

need to land half a mag with the fal to kill a support point blank

[fast glen]

Bulletspongebit Remastered

[stable dawn]

this is MrWong's not mine but i feel it encapsulates most of the issues with the playtest

[winter crypt]

🗣️

[crisp wasp]

I will double this list tmrw

The egregious shit man

[alpine wind]

It looked like a solid beta, now it's looking way more like a final version, but we have to wait for some fixes and of course whatever they want to add or change

[alpine wind]

Hmm in my case it doesn't (20) People DO NOT talk, not even asking help or anything, there should be an option to deactivate your character voice if you like to talk, but it's ok for the many that are silent and lacking from expressivity

[crisp wasp]

Just adding this as a reminder to complain abt tmrw

• mid AI looking camos
• overtuned tracers
• ridiculous balancing (1.1x headshot multi)
• again, waaaaay too many patricles
• TTK that was NOT promised

[crisp wasp]

#battlebit-eng message

TTK increase btw

400ms 💔

Now its up to almost 700ms 💔 💔 💔

[crisp wasp]

Ok

I will post it properly this time

There no spam battlebot

Other half in morning

Actually

Good

Behold bad stats

[stable dawn]

Wtf is the weight stat even do

[crisp wasp]

Accoring to Ox1 it was something related to the control, a stat which does almost nothing

Weight is a stat for a stat that doesnt work
So by extentention weight also doesnt work

[marble eagle]

truly brilliant

[crisp wasp]

Alright, time to list my grievances with the playtest:

1. Performance - Self explanatory for the most part.
2. Visuals - Game looks pretty in general, but it is to the detriment of the performance and visual clarity as well. Some of the effects are way too much, like why does breaking stuff, especially crates, create so many particles? Greatly lower the amount or just remove all of them for smaller objects, its ridiculous. Also jesus tracers are WAY too long and enemy tracers being red is silly and makes it look like they are firing lasers. Also, lines of the medic box and the ammo box to display their range? Really? They also look terrible.
3. UI/UX - Nothing special. It works. It isn't ugly or anything. Even on lower settings stuff was visible.
4. Guns, attachements and gun stats - There are glaring issues that are noticable by just watching someone else play. TTK goes up to almost 700ms, only the best weapons in this patch are 400ms. I have already posted some examples above, with there being worse ones, especially the LMGs. Everything is wrong with them. Visual recoil is awful, real recoil doesnt exist. Identities of guns have been ruined, their usable range is abysmal, velocities are all over the place, attachments dont have that much identity either, and the mags are still completely and utterly unbalanced, inconsistent and pure nonsense to hell and back. It feels like nothing was taken or learned in terms of guns, especially knowing that the headshot multiplier is 1.1x. The bipod is also very bad and way too strict to use.
5. Movement - I used to be fine with tac sprint, not anymore, remove it. Prone turn speed needs to be faster and without a warning for it. Minor tuning might be required for everything else.
6. Class balancing - Get rid of class HP, make it consistent across the board. Period. Reshuffle gadgets a bit too.

7. Cosmetics - Player cosmetics are good overall. Gun cosmetics of most alt models and attachments are great. But, the current system of camos is gone, so no more mix and matching. Just a PNG slapped on the ENTIRE GUN. And a lot are very bright for some reason, unpleasantly so. Charms also look nice, as well as most of the new reticles.

8. Audio - It was kinda buggy, but most of the sounds in general are great. The voicelines are goofy tho. Id remove most voicelines, maybe only have radio chatter ("they have taken X objective", "X team winning", and to announce major levelation events). With better voice acting.

9. Destruction - 2 steps fowards, but also 1 step back. Glad guns can damage weaker cover and leave smaller holes through them. Great change. At the same time, buildings being far less limited in terms of floor access and explosives not properly destroying segmented cover is really bad.

10. Gadgets - They gotta retweak some of these, ranging from what class can access what, to nerfing/buffing gadgets properly. Anti nade now is the size of a chair. C4 even for my standards was stupidly nerfed. Ammo box butchered, revert it back with proper UI. (I would say something about the med box if i had any idea how it works at all, let alone see someone using it). Smoke grenade was clearly overnerfed.

Additionally:
While some of the promised things were delivered, the playtest just missed the mark in gameplay and performance, especially gameplay. I am not a fan of the direction the game is going in gameplay wise after this playtest. Part of it was not even mentioned to us to even discuss, especially the changes to the signature gadgets of almost all classes.
Please improve the communication to the players in the future, and make these playtests properly playable. Maybe it will help regain some players back.

Even for a techical playtest, for which I expected to be buggy to some extent, it was just disappointing and killed even more good will in me, the community and anyone who considered buying this.

Guess I should not have expected anything better after 2 years.

The original post still stands: roll back half of the changes that were made.

[stable dawn]

theres not a single thing youve said that i disagree with lol

also holy shit why completely nuke c4 AND make it so you can only carry 2? like do one or the other

ammo boxes is unbeleivably ass i think theyre perfect in the live game and dont need changes.

remove almost all of the visual recoil and add back actual recoil. in the playtest everey gun fell the same with attachments, incredibly laser beamy but god aweful damage fall off. increase the range damage on guns but limit their range through bloom or recoil

visual clutter was honestly one of my biggest gripes. i dont need camera shake from some guy shooting bullets in my general direction thank you very much. also the weird ass haze/fog needs to go

just give guns their identity back

#justiceforscorpion

[tacit perch]

Was the suiC4 nerfed like they said it would, Aka delay timer and warning sounds when timer is ticking?

Cus if so that’s bullshit.

[noble silo]

i tried to c4 a brick wall between rooms and it did literally 0 damage

that was crazy

[crisp wasp]

Yes
SC4 now has loud beeping accompanied by red flashing lights

And a delay

Might be a clip somewhere

[tacit perch]

Oof the whole point of it was that it was a surprise tool in your pocket.

Fucking worthless now cus they gonna be able to easily get ya before it goes off.

[quaint grove]

hahha I remember thinking how the list would probably be bigger but I didnt play much hahaa

[burnt quest]

It persists through death btw

Like that one cod perk we dont talk about

So you could in theory just say fuck you, run into frugis tunnels and it still explodes whilst you’re dead.

As long as the enemies are still near your body they still die.

As for moving targets or people with pulses… yeah they’re probably fine

One thing im confused on is why they removed grapple from assault whilst also removing aggressive recon playstyles.

Do we not want people to ptfo more effectively, or help their team push?

[crisp wasp]

Oh so it does do that

I wasnt sure they actually went thru with it given everything so far lmao

Also forgot to mention a few extra complaints i got, will do that a bit later

[hasty nova]

Oh so it’s realistic

And the random timer is due to the average terrorist’s less than professional wiring skills fucking up the detonation

[burnt quest]

Yeah ig so

[hasty nova]

It has the random timer right

I didn’t use it in the test

[burnt quest]

Yes timer is random

I was told that anyways

[crisp wasp]

I think they didnt put that in
But im not sure, theres legit no footage of it being used more than once

[past garnet]

Suicide c4 has a small random variance in its detonation timer.

[deep siren]