Night Time With No NightVis?

[merry talon]

I feel like the night time mode should offer a little more and so you could get it more often. A simple thing that might feel really cool is to have night time but no night vis for anyone, this REALLY makes for slower gameplay in some ways which is fun because it means more stealth and every shot or noise you make lets other players target you.
When it's night and dark and you have no nightvis, people are just noises and moving shadows and allows some great variation in gameplay which would be fun to see if you disable nightivs.

[fierce cradle]

And also make voice chat louder so the enemy’s can hear my ewok noises before I glockdown walkdown them

[runic python]

night vision itself should be a gadget or something and not just free for everyone

[merry talon]

agreed

[merry talon]

maybe only for medic or some sort

[fierce cradle]

Also in this give blackhawks and helis in general searchlights

[tidal swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/debating-unsure-thinking-pondering-indecisive-gif-14886269

[fierce cradle]

Cus no nods no one can see and if Blackhawks get it imagine the absolute cinima

[tidal swallow]

To be less comedically vague, I think thats a neat idea

[noble briar]

Given how night mode by default will be even darker in the overhaul (albeit with actual enviromental lights, which still can be destroyed and make the map very dark), I am not playing it if there is not, at the barest mininum, a chest/head mounted flashlight added as a replacement, if NVGs are ever considered to be removed or a gadget limited to some classes.

Most night maps as of now are not fun experiences and are at least made bearable by the existence of NVGs cause otherwise you wouldn't be able to actually play cause you cannot physically see shit.

Flashlights on guns? Useless the moment you actually have to start moving past walking speed. Flares? Limited, loud, and really not that effective to light up anything.

Despite the fact that the 2 things above are the only 2 sources of light in the game that can be used by infantry and arent the best for lighting the enviroment, they are however great at setting your retinas on fire if you have NVGs on. On this note, with NVGs on you also lose the ability to aim with anything other than irons, 1x scopes and tac stance until you take them off.

Tldr: dont remove/limit NVGs (without alternatives at least) cause it is going to make night mode unplayable

[fierce cradle]

Imagine it’s like zalfi night ur by rocks running from people and you can hear their footsteps and them saying stuff like “YOU CANT RUN FOREVER” and “WE GOT A RUNNER WE GOT A RUNNER” and then a searchlight shines down on you imagine the cinima

[noble briar]

Honestly what if maps spawned a police LB on a cap point with a flashlight and a speakerphone

[fierce cradle]

Bruh I’d be flying around with a dj in it blasting some goofy ass song like Cotten eye joe or fall back to my troops to rally them and play like tore up or smthing

Or any “veitnam esc” war song

Imagine pushing wakistan and you hear overhead GOOOOOOOOOD MORING VIETNAMMMMMMMM
*kickstart my heart guitar starts playing

Imagine the cinima

[noble briar]

Ig since its nightmode, as a bonus for getting the police LB, people within the searchlight longer than say 2-5 seconds are marked on the map
If they arent in the searchlight, the effect persist as a normal spot, 4 seconds

[fierce cradle]

Ohhh the pinging on map would be huge yes good idea

Shame oki won’t see any of this

[noble briar]

Alledgely they do look thru suggestion and they internally decide which idea good which idea bad so

[fierce cradle]

Hmmmm or so they say

[tidal swallow]

Its less, "good and bad", more about.. whats interesting about it, what problems does it solve, what problems does it create, what do we think bout it. Not like its an absolute rigid process but, they do indeed get looked at.

[noble briar]

So "good and bad" with extra steps still

[fierce cradle]

We may or may not get an update

[runic python]

ye my statement came with the assumption that the new light overhaul solves the issues with night maps being too dark

also NV should be an universal gadget and maybe some classes have it without it being a gadget but everyone has access to it

[noble briar]

To an extent, lights will drastically help, but the worry is that there are too many destructible ones and too little natural light and indestructible lights, so it still becomes incredibly dark halfway thru the match

Like most of the lights that ive seen from the posted images are street lights
Half of them get ran over or destroyed after the match starts

At best a few patches of light here and there, but mostly dark

[tawny glade]

Assuming how good bbr players are at driving all destroyable lights will be rammed in first minute of match

[fierce cradle]

Even better to add to the chaos the lights are there then they aren’t

[graceful tangle]

Disabling night vision is already possible through the community server api, though I don't know that there is much demand for it right now. Here is a similar suggestion: https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1391444149110050977

[merry talon]

I mean it seems city will be very bright and then the outer places will be very dark allowing for stealth movement and also the backpacks seem to be a giveaway glow in the dark which is interesting, the lights on the back wouldn't make much of a difference with NVG's and only useful for playing without one which suggests maybe they've balanced out something with wearing NVG's and taking them off?

[noble briar]

Outside of the fact that NVGs will provide grey vision instead of green, NVGs will receive 0 other changes

NVGs will still have their disadvantages of being blinded by direct light and the inability to use mid range scopes

And like I said vast majority of these lights are street lights, which are destructible, meaning that once destroyed the light will be pernanently gone

Given the nature of BBR, half of those lights will be gone after 15 minutes

[merry talon]

fair enouhg I see your points

[runic python]

did they say that?

also do we know that its only street lights?

(most of them?)

[obsidian willow]

you can't really stealth when you have glowing red sticks on your head and backpack

[tidal swallow]

Many lights are destructible, not all.

[noble briar]

Figured as much

[noble briar]

Which arent destructible?

[tidal swallow]

I don't have a great way to describe other than. Some of them. Don't have a prop list

[runic python]

we ll have to see how it turns out

[fierce cradle]

Heli searchlight tho on night maps would be awesome