Let us disable the stuff shown in dev updates

[young valve]

Fuck you and your state mandated god rays

[polar mist]

what grade are you in?

[stoic crescent]

this is an aggresive way of making a good point

the forced lighting settings arent a good idea as i said in bbr eng earlier "I have really poor eye sight and I struggle to distinguish things in game which is why I don't want fancy graphics and lighting that forcfully makes it harder to see things. I don't care about hardware requirements. I just don't want forced graphics in my Roblox battlefield game." its genuinley a gameplay concern for me not just worrying about frame rate or optimisation

[rocky moat]

"wdym i can't just disable all graphics and be a sweat" same argument in so many games
mald and seethe lmao

[prisma willow]

Or… and hear me out… some casuals dont care for graphics in a low poly game where the selling point is goofy meme voip and fortunate son

Or its a eye strain to them and they often turn that off. There’s a reason why one of the most marked as helpful reviews on steam is motion blur being off by default at the time.

Not everything you see is “Sweat bad” Schlamm, lay off the Reddit for once.

[steep wraith]

“Some”

[prisma willow]

Okay. So, for me personally im phrone to motion sickness. It is what it is, playing vr sucks because of it. I have friends that game that are the same way, not even exclusive to bbr, with their own sets of problems that they would hopefully want addressed. That’s why you see people happy about things like color blind settings. This has nothing to do with skill level of players, its more about making the game playable for more people, which oki has stated in the past it was one of his goals.

If the counter argument to that is “you must be a sweat then” then im sorry but that is genuinely the most low IQ conclusion reached I’ve seen in suggestions

And i’ve seen some horrible fucking takes

[stoic crescent]

It's almost like accessibility in games I a good thing or something

[prisma willow]

If its ragebait its not even good ragebait its “im pretending to be smart as fuck so I depict you as the soyjack”

[steep wraith]

Ig their top-1 priority is majority, and only after all other players with wide spectrum of their things (motion sickness, bad pc etc)

[prisma willow]

Perhaps that is their plan, but I still don’t think those people should be completely ignored

[steep wraith]

This could be a good point but to since you nor me (nor devs) have stats it’s just “trust me” kind of take

[steep wraith]

Who said they should be completely ignored?

[prisma willow]

I think that one steam review being liked by thousands is a pretty good stat, personally. Especially since it came from launch

[prisma willow]

Referring to the other comment

[steep wraith]

For majority fancy lighting is nice, and yea it’s obviously should do something for smaller audiences to help them play if it’s possible

[prisma willow]

Yeah. Im not going to take away from what the team is doing

[steep wraith]

Even if it’s 5k it’s still not that much

[prisma willow]

But options are always nice.
And it’s clear there is some desire for said options.

[prisma willow]

I’d still say a good enough amount where it should at least be acknowledged, at least imo.

At the end of the day, more people that are able to enjoy bbr, the better.

[steep wraith]

0.05%, it’s really not that much

[stoic crescent]

That's the amount of price that saw and reacted to that specific review

[steep wraith]

Also, these so-called “casuals” aren’t necessarily against graphical improvements especially if it’s not affecting performance

[stoic crescent]

The true percent of impacted people would be much higher

[steep wraith]

Even if it’s whole 10 (which is less, but i’m too lazy to gather info) it’s still not much

Simply because right now playerbase is ~400

[prisma willow]

You mean 300 ish on weekdays 400 on weekends

But yes

[steep wraith]

Less players actually play the game = less players that have a good arguments not to have godrays etc

Also, i’m not sure, but i think these “casuals” which may be 5-10% of audience aren’t gonna put a lot of their time in the game

[prisma willow]

yes I actually bother tracking the numbers, I still got a community to look over

[steep wraith]

Ik :)

[bright mica]

Trying to say no godrays is an accessibility feature is… certainly a statement.

[stoic crescent]

'Let us disable the stuff shown in dev updates' i dont personally care about the god rays, i care about this shit where its hard to see stuff on the left of this image because of the new lighting system

[steep wraith]

That’s why glowsticks on enemies actually glow :)

[stoic crescent]

new idea for more feature creep: glowsticks on mines and claymore

(this is obviously a joke do not take it any other way)

[steep wraith]

Update is delayed for 2 more months, thank you

[bright mica]

So wanting an advantage. Not accessibility. Got it. Untill we actually get it on our rigs, it could be that, pitch black or barely noticable. Maybe a hardware change of visual settings on your monitor would do exactly what you want. Maybe simply upping brightness a hit would work just fine.

[stoic crescent]

#1424936379250380950 message

not wanting an advantage

try reading the thread for context next time

[bright mica]

Since its looks like a discount tarkov lighting system, messing with settings and lighting profiles on your monitor would be enough.

[bright mica]

You said otherwise in reply to me

[steep wraith]

There’s a difference between advantage and “i can’t fucking see anything in that corner”

[stoic crescent]

no i didnt

[bright mica]

Flashlights. Setting changes. Software visual settings. Monitor visual settings. All of these should work to fix any of that. We wont know until its on out individual rigs.

[steep wraith]

Yea ik, i think they’ll tweak it so it’s okay with readability of a map

Judging by one pic is a bad tendency

[bright mica]

Judging by one client's view is also a bad idea especially if the image ain't your own

like that image he sent? the shadow ain't dark enough to hide anybody

at least if they aren't prone behind something

[steep wraith]

I’m speaking in general terms

[bright mica]

but that's on my rig.

I know my buddy sees that image as the shadow is black as night

[stoic crescent]

thats my point, i cant see shit without zooming in or squinting because i cant see

[steep wraith]

There are games that really have these pitch black corners where you can easily hide and this is not something i’d like to see here

[stoic crescent]

its not a rig thing it a my eyes thing\

[steep wraith]

But devs aren’t dumb, so it’ll be ok

[bright mica]

how much have you messed with the three types of visual settings on your rig?

[steep wraith]

Anyway if you want an advantage - try using black equalizer setting in monitor :3

[stoic crescent]

i havent needed to because i dont play any games where that would be necessary

[prisma willow]

Grossly misrepresented argument per usual

Im not even entertaining that because its clear you haven't read any points and its laughable that your proposed solution to it is "just use different hardware bro its not the devs fault"

[bright mica]

should look into it then. at least the monitor ones.

[bright mica]

your argument is that people don't care. you already failed at arguing anyway.

[prisma willow]

Because most people don't? We're playing low poly BF

and your solution is essentially just "Bro buy better hardware for a genuine game concern"

[bright mica]

man the hardware you would need for this is literally a decade old

[prisma willow]

and that changes the "game should retain the accessibility aspect".. how?

[bright mica]

I can run this game on a tablet from 2014 at 114 fps.

so you saying you need to upgrade is just bullshit

so until you get the update, stop spewing misinformation about "needing to upgrade:

[prisma willow]

Ah yes "Ignore all concerns, just wait for update"

[bright mica]

your concerns are unfounded bud

[prisma willow]

Pretty founded I would argue

[bright mica]

You would be wrong. 10-year-old gear, not designed for gaming. tablets and combo units, run it just fine at max at high fps. 80-120.

[prisma willow]

but no just buy hardware for a concern you have about the game

[bright mica]

if your computer is worse than that, its 15+ years old minimum

[prisma willow]

hi I came here to once again say you missed the point

Where's crazier with that one image when you need him

[bright mica]

Your "accessibility" is for things pre-2015? on the lower end at that?

[prisma willow]

Needing to buy hardware for an issue the game didnt have prior just to enjoy the game is dumb. Hope that makes the point clear

[bright mica]

you don't buddy.

thats my point

tablets a decade old run this game on ultra at 120 fps, 80 on the low end.

if you have a compute that old or younger, you will be fine

[prisma willow]

And what does that have to do with.. this?

aka the discussion of the thread?

[bright mica]

you mean the features that are different per client?

[prisma willow]

Its clear you can't answer that so I am wasting my time. Good day

[bright mica]

that none of us know will actually look like?>

right

[steep wraith]

Bye

[bright mica]

As per usual, Pepega runs away because he can't fathom that people don't have tech over a decade old.

[prisma willow]

No its because you grossly misrepresent points being made and you're just perma stun lock on pushing an agenda

Vs actually addressing concerns people have

But sure ignore all genuine concerns wait for update bro

trust

[bright mica]

Concern -> reason that concern in bs -> "you misrepresent my concern" -> repeat.

[prisma willow]

Except you misrepresented the concern to begin with

[bright mica]

you cant get much worse than what i've played this game on man.

you started talking tech and upgrading

I told you the ground floor that runs this game fine.

[prisma willow]

Because your point is essnetially "just upgrade you wont have this problem"

[bright mica]

then you flip around and go back to another concern

[prisma willow]

Usual misrepresentation

[young valve]

(within 20 meters)

[bright mica]

I said you DON'T have to upgrade

[prisma willow]

great talk

[bright mica]

you are saying you have to buddy

[young valve]

also depends on armor

[prisma willow]

That is what you are implying to omagula when they brought up the concern.

[bright mica]

my entire thing is that as long as your computer is built with 2015+ tech, you are fine. you are saying you have to upgrade with the update.

[young valve]

i have to upgrade

[prisma willow]

HMMMM

[young valve]

so i can play bf6 instead of this shit

[prisma willow]

[young valve]

i dont even need to upgrade

[prisma willow]

I mean we're all playing bf6 anyways lets be real

[bright mica]

I was talking about what they said on the image dipshit.

i.e the no godrays cause I can't see

[prisma willow]

but anyways, game issue, shouldn't be a hardware one. On oki to address.

[bright mica]

then I talked about ways to change visuals where its not much of an issue.

[prisma willow]

If the game didnt have the problem before and now it suddenly has what people see as a concern, its a pretty valid concern imo.

[bright mica]

in game should handle it, but monitor visual and color changes could make it work a lot better too based on rig

[bright mica]

People have said that all the time. It's just that the shadows were few and far between

[prisma willow]

Either way, point still stands. Oki issue

We can bash heads at the hardware argument forever but I dont think you want to do that and would rather focus on the actual part, making the game fun and playable for everyone.

Mainly cause im not intoxicated enough for this suggestions shit ngl

give me some vodka I'll go at it

[bright mica]

it might not even be an Oki issue

hopefully anyway

at least not one already addressed

[prisma willow]

I mean im skeptical and just hope it gets brought up during QA, that's why they hired Darth after all.

[steep wraith]

Выйди отсюда

[grizzled tapir]

lwk just download cheats type shit

[steep wraith]

Выйди говорю

[bright mica]

If you want to chance it, I can't stop you.

[near frigate]

Same shit happened when they decided to force shadows

And that was like a year ago now

[fallen quartz]

Devildog fails to realise that just because the current version of BBR runs like that does not mean that the new version with better models, more view distance, almost unlimited light sources, god rays, forced shadows will run as good

This also may come as a shock but when people want to play normally they would not like to squint to see things close to them because suprise suprise its really fucking annoying

BF4 has an issue on some maps where the transition from inside to outside lighting (your character adjusting your eyes basically) and vice versa is really annoying

[steep wraith]

The finals has same issue and it’s insanely annoying

[fallen quartz]

This is pretty apparent on locker where mfs will see you from the inside and you cant see them from the outside

And the transition sucks cause the vision will either be too dark or too bright and i cant see the enemy properly

[steep wraith]

Why do they even mess with exposition change

Like - why????

[fallen quartz]

Another thing is the sun, where the rays on some maps are so bright i cant see the chopper or jet flying, let alone aim my launcher

[steep wraith]

Zalfi bay heli duels ahhhhhhhh moment

Can’t see where are my bullets

[fallen quartz]

Sure looks pretty but jesus christ im playing a game dont make my job harder cause you wanted to wank off the graphics enthusiasts

[fallen quartz]

What you cant see on zalfi? Yeah bro just uhhh tweak and upgrade your PC bro

[steep wraith]

Skybox is literally white

Bullets be like “guess where we are ”

[fallen quartz]

Erm actually that would be an unfair advantage if you could see so you should keep squinting bro

[young valve]

zalfi

[bright mica]

sounds like your brightness and gamma are up lol. I'm sure you enjoyed playing the update where all this is factual and not you talking out of your ass, right?

[leaden wadi]

BF6 has it also

[fallen quartz]

Afaik even BF1 has that but last time i played BF1 suprise suprise it wasnt an issue cause not only could i see, the effect didnt last 30 years

[steep wraith]

Yea in bf1 it was not that bad
…except for dark corners in argonne forest…

[fallen quartz]

I havent play BF1 that much so idk about argonne forest

But on the maps i did play it was nice

[steep wraith]

I mean there was really dark spots but it wasn’t related to exposure changing

Also not much of them

Really bright sun was the issue :)

It felt like i was playing with extreme hdr even if i had no hdr at all

[fallen quartz]

Gee devildog how didnt i think of lowering brightness and gamma to adress the lighting being poorly implemented

[bright mica]

I know right, you should have worked on that.

[willow stirrup]

About this suggestion: Our goal is that the video settings remain for quality, not as something you can min/max for a competitive advantage. So no, you cannot just turn these things off as it wouldn’t be fair in visibility.
What we do have, however, is a brightness slider, as we know not everyone’s monitor displays things the same.

[stoic crescent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/941477342709157888/1390731929879449692/tb15f8.gif

[willow stirrup]

If performance is one of the concerns here: Don’t worry.

[steep wraith]

Didn’t expect you to communicate… That soon

[leaden wadi]

well, it is the current 'hot topic'

[stoic crescent]

theres a number of unoptimised parts of bbr currently so if they optimise those there should be plenty of head room to include graphics improvements. graphics performance, however, is not the concern of this thread.

[bright mica]

I mean the thread is "Fuck you devs"

we kinda just went wherever with it

[fallen quartz]

Its Sworce

[steep wraith]

Yea it is but iirc it’s not the first so-called “hot topic”

Just wanna say that i appreciate that you’re responding

[fallen quartz]

I wouldnt have expected anything different from him

[prisma willow]

I mean if a convo can come from something as simple as this

[fallen quartz]

Anyways dont make graphical improvements at the cost of visibility

[prisma willow]

Then its clear at the very minimum people still care for the game

Maybe not so much now with bf6, but still enough care to talk about it

[steep wraith]

I do

[stoic crescent]

i do too

and i plan on coming back after the update (hopefully aus servers fill back up)

[prisma willow]

I mean worse case scenario I’ll ask the community owners I work with to keep ping limits off so people can still play

[willow stirrup]

They are off

[prisma willow]

Will be off post update or turned back on?

[willow stirrup]

Our master server currently spam commands all servers to have 500 max ping

[prisma willow]

That I’m aware of, im more so referring to when the update happens.

[willow stirrup]

I think we’ll have things more happen in their dedicated regions again yeah. When there is the playerbase for it

[prisma willow]

I’ll still look out for them as I always have, but hopefully their servers/regions will fill

[stoic crescent]

#bringbackbboce

[prisma willow]

Cant, slaz crashed the heli

[young valve]

[safe tendon]

200 messages of random yapping

nice

[steep wraith]

And devs

[stoic crescent]

it wouldnt be a battlebit suggestions thread without it

[safe tendon]

true

[near frigate]

how large will the file size be now?

[fallen quartz]

500GB + 100GB for ultra realistic maid outfit with physics

[near frigate]

forced 4k textures would be nice

[halcyon ingot]

people are buying good monitors as a competitive advantage can we lock the game at a cinematic 24 fps so its fair for everyone

[stoic crescent]

anyway im going to take julgers response as a big fat whopping nothing burger as it doesnt address the main concerns brought up here and assume that there wont be a satisfactory response other than something along the lines of 'thats the decision we made so deal with it'

[prisma willow]

we also need to limit what you can set your dpi to, people flick too fast and that doesn’t fit my hecking #milsim experience of being a dedicated sentry turret in the same 4 corners that get predicted all the time (I swear they’re wall hacking there’s no way its map knowledge!)

(Yes, people actually said that for this game and for bf6 too.)

[safe tendon]

[fallen quartz]

Dont forget to force using only having 4 whole keys on your keyboard cause why does someone need anything more than W, Space, 3 and M1

[crystal anvil]

can i just say as a not so proud potato gamer, that not being able to disable visual effects will drastically decrease performance on lower end machines no matter how optimised they are

[willow stirrup]

Intuitively, what you're saying makes sense. However, our tests revealed that the performance is just as good, if not better, than the current public build.
A lot of things were rewritten to allow for this.

[steep wraith]

You’re refactoring whole game, i know :)

[safe tendon]

its using unreal engine now

[steep wraith]

It’s using real engine now

[stoic crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wiggle-crazy-cat-zoomies-gif-9877358298643393466

[fallen quartz]

Actually they made new engine called KebabOki

[halcyon ingot]

nooo you arent allowed to say that

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