NERF STINKY RPG HELIS

[crude sequoia]

extremely stinky, almost unkillable, least fun to play against meta ever. These helis are mobile respawn points that spend most of the game sitting at the skybox while their passengers jump out to rpg, throw nades and c4 players before they hit the ground. The rpg accuracy while falling is perfect and makes it extremely easy to take out ANY other vehicle + clusters of players. All they have to do is sit at the skybox with a few engineers perma repairing and they are almost unkillable. The only counter to this is running your own rpg heli squad, or getting an extremely lucky rpg connection. Bullets almost never work as they are just directly above you (protecting the crew from groundfire), out of effective damage range (sitting at the height cap), or just have a constant flow of respawns if you manage to kill one of them.

My suggestion is to reduce the skybox height cap dramatically so that natural counters (tanks/lavs/infantry) actually stand a chance against this broken strategy. At the moment a lav/tank only has time for a few shots before the enemy heli is out of their barrels turn radius. This strategy just reinforces spawncamping with the tank/lav. Reducing the height cap will also help balance the matchups between armed littlebirds and blackhawks/rpg helis.
Also just make the rpg innacurate in freefall. I know these players are just having fun in a dead game but its actually so cringe to go up against every single match. The impact they have on each game is massive and are almost always partied with other armed littlebird veterans/rpg pros, meaning every game they just have a monopoly over all other vehicles.
And revert the repair tool back to the original so dealing damage against helis actually matters
Helis op. Pls nerf.

^for reference I used to be a stinker in an rpg heli. Had a match on wakistan in which my squad of 4 engineers got a combined total of 357 kills. It was incredibly easy to do, took no skill whatso ever.

[knotty pecan]

Why do I get the vibe that this is just some copypasta from reddit

[knotty pecan]

Oh, slaz. Okay yep that explains it

[crude sequoia]

my in game experience overrides your lame walls of text

[knotty pecan]

But anyways reason why skybox/roof isnt as low is mainly to prevent situations like old namak iirc, where the ceiling is so low you just clip through stuff on accident

RPG on heli it’s self is already getting fine tuned (cant use RPG on cettain seats) per devcasts, you can make of that what you will. If people really still need a counter, maybe buff the damage to helis when using any of the machine gun jeeps. Anything past that seems kinda overkill imo. (Or would lead to weird bbr moment happening where people just clip through stuff)

Yes I realize im replying to a copy pasta with a copypasta explanation. Get me better alcohol next time

[crude sequoia]

I'm fine with people rpging from the seat of helis, at least that requires a bit more accuracy and co-ordination than just jumping out of a heli and having perfect accuracy in freefall

[knotty pecan]

Tbf people wouldn’t be jumping out as much if it wasn’t the best way to deal with safezone campers

[crude sequoia]

nah like people do it against everything and everyone

anyone exposed to the sky is a target

[knotty pecan]

Not denying that, but safezone camping and funny heli snipe clips be damned

If people weren’t doing it with rpgs they’d just use anti vehicle nades or C4 anyways to offset the accuracy nerf, which against other helis.. sure, if that’s the end goal. Go for it. But in general it wouldn’t stop the playstyle

[crude sequoia]

I'm not tryna defend safezone camping but like its almost always so easy to work around via drone bombing or just outright ignoring them. But a heli can go everywhere on the map insanely fast, constantly impacting the outcome of fights

I'm not trying to stop the playstyle, just balance it so its actually fair ya know

[knotty pecan]

Delay before you can shoot your rpg after jumping from heli, maybe?

Makes it harder to snipe helis whilst jumping but everything else would be the same

[crude sequoia]

nah imo the rpg accuracy in freefall just needs to be like random chance

in the actual heli keep the accuracy because you have to deal with the momentum of the helicopters movement and have more limitations

[knotty pecan]

Wouldnt it mean people could just jump directly on top of the target and wait till they’re close enough to fire “accurately” though?

I mean at most it just means less RPGs being fired in free fall

[crude sequoia]

yeah that sounds good to me

[knotty pecan]

[crude sequoia]

rn you can get 2 shots off in free fall from the height cap

[crude sequoia]

if the victim is aware they stand more of a chance to actually react

[knotty pecan]

Yeah this is bbr’s playerbase they dont look up

[crude sequoia]

and yeah it'd mean the armed littlebird isn't useless in a 1v1 against an rpg heli

[coral storm]

im pretty sure i heard something about making rpgs fire out of the barrel when falling instead of centre screen to line up with how guns work

cbf finding the post/dev cast tho

[modern robin]

Turn the frag in a UGL round equivalent like it's supposed to be

[chilly cape]

grab ultimax and 8/10 times u can kill every kamikaze, its even funny seeing them falling

[warm hull]

Could just make peeps fall faster

Like how gravity actually works

Also to add onto innaccurate RPG idea, what if when in freefall and aiming with RPG, the longer you ADS the more accurate your shot gets

For example if you aim for only a nanosecond shots gonna be very innaccurate and you may kill something literally in front of you, but if you aim for a full second you may hit things more reliably at 50m, up until you are actually aiming down sights and being fully accurate

[crude sequoia]

I'd be pretty happy with this, but I still do think the skybox height cap needs to be lowered a decent amount

[south terrace]

I did my part

[crisp cobalt]

No thanks. On some maps skybox is already too low so it’s hard to fight on helis. Lowering it even more will make transport and armed helis barely playable because you’ll no longer be able to get higher to avoid damage from people shooting at you and from tanks/apcs

[coral storm]

lowering the height limit isnt the solution imo

[crisp cobalt]

also true

[modern robin]

Do keep in mind the elevation of APCs and tanks going back to what they were originally. So no more safe space unless you are directly above them.

[warm hull]

Gonna need a source on that

[crisp cobalt]

+-20?

Amazing

[mellow cloak]

Over half my deaths are bc of some bs like rpgs, tanks across the map, drones, etc. like I get they are things in the game but the rpgs are silent as shit and travel the speed of light, they gotta get nerfed in the next update

[warm hull]

RPGs arent silent

2 other things, one, HEAT AoE is nerfed, two, kill tanks with C4 loaded drones or just dont be close to the opposing safe zone, just shoot down drones if they are close (literally cant miss the buzzing they make) and if you see something whizzing past anything that even resembling a rocket be more careful

[knotty pecan]

Insert talking point about heats too strong and frags too weak here

[zinc plank]

they are easy to miss so we are getting indicators

[warm hull]

Unless its that one bug where they are inaudable if you miss the buzzing sound and not run its a skissue

[mellow cloak]

bruh for a RPG they are hella silent, i cant listen to music if i wanna listen for them

my sound is decently high too, i hear everything besides rpgs easily

[topaz fable]

Guys, God gave you legs to walk, not to fly. Think about it...
Delete helicopters, go back to God

It's amazing how Slazenger hasn't gotten tired of the game, I quit almost 2 years ago and I'm happy

[mellow cloak]

i saw delete helicopters and immediatly agree

[topaz fable]

You saw "delete helicopters" but not God. You should be ashamed.

[mellow cloak]

im afraid its not that serious

[topaz fable]

Blasphemer

[coral storm]

Slaz has been gone for a good while

[topaz fable]

This is really not serious. But it's not about God, it's about helicopters

[sand sonnet]

Ok yeah jumpers gotta be nerfed and I feel the fov or aiming range on the hermit running board gotta be buffed also the jumper meta forces pilots to focus on the people jumping rather then the other bird and I feel that kind of disregards the power of the heli when all the emphasis is on the jumpers it

the only jumpers I’m ok with are the suicide c4 ones that jump on to C point screaming AAAAALLLAHHH AKBARRRRRRRRRR and die in the funny

[warm hull]

RPG helis are lowkey OP and half of the counters mentioned dont work that well
APCs are good but require relative proximity to said heli, Tanks are not effective as they cannot hit shit past a certain point plus lack continous fire
Not to mention littlebirds great movement

While you CAN kill littlebirds with RPG, that takes practice and they can still outmanouver if not outright start targeting you due to that

A good team on a littlebird is almost unstoppable

[crisp cobalt]

Good team of engis on the ground won’t let them fly too

[zinc plank]

na

it's way easier as the heli

[modern robin]

A good team in a heli means the engies are gonna be trying to snipe it from hundreds of meters away. Meanwhile they can just hover over any vehicle and win because pilots got all the elevation ranges lowered.

[sand sonnet]

Yeah even with a mid heli if there are good enjis it can dominate

[warm hull]

[crude sequoia]

200 tickets is still a pretty decent lead for very low effort gameplay (Spawn in heli, jump out, rpg bridge). In that game we were also still doing irregular drop offs. The issue is that rpg helis just completely dominate and are without a doubt far too hard to get rid of for the value they can provide. The challenges of using the rpg effectively (lead, range and accuracy) all get minimalized by falling through the sky directly above your targets. Tanks/LAVs get obliterated the second they reveal themselves and if you do not hit your initial shots you likely lose your vehicle. RPG's are a 1 shot kill but for most players it is extremely difficult to hit that shot, especially on a heli flying at the height cap. Infantry groundfire may potentially result in one or two of the crew dying but any damage done can just be repaired back immediately. If you do somehow manage to destroy their heli, you have to do it all over again in 3 minutes when it respawns.

[sand sonnet]

Brooooo

Look I was playing to have fun with Kobe squad

Not to proform

Chilllll man

You can look at tab my other Kobe homies are there

Tho chromatic was my main Rpger so if u wanna look at kd look at his

Tho if I’m being honest I’d rate myself as a b+ tier pilot not an a cus there is rat racoonn and others but still

Also next time u in my heli say yooo its boba or hi of sorts makes it easier to remember people

Also we where only using running board as oki intended and not jumping cu that’s cringe

[modern robin]

Why would pilots have high kills, buddy? In an RPG littlebird. Do the transport LBs have guns now?

never mind that its on waki

[sand sonnet]

Yeah i did a whole lot of stuff on the bridge and f point I wouldn’t have lotta kills most of mine where from clearing out a point

[sand sonnet]

Also YAY I GOT MENTIONED aww it wasn’t good

First mention yippie

[sand sonnet]

No

Who is he?

Why u ask then just curious?

I feel like I have yell at him a time or two bout rockets but I have to everyone

Oh that’s him

Man the servers are 200 and there are multiple servers I’m bound to have met everyone

Honestly I’m still surprised someone from the discord met me in game and mentioned it where did I go on that heli run perchance

Also TOP TRANSPORT WOOOOO

[sand sonnet]

By f? Or where else cus I remember I did a lotta runs by f and a few over the main bridge to pat the leaderboard

[warm hull]

Classic devildog behaviour

[modern robin]

"Man, this one game on Waki of all places, pilots died. Meaning RPG helos suck. on a map with one lb. you brought that into the wrong thread.

[sand sonnet]

Real there are always SAR s on waki (surface to air rocket)

[mortal stone]

When has anyone ever seen an rpg heli top frag in a lobby sorry even on my best game ever (90/3) i wasnt top so this post is just ragebait, dropshot smgs frag higher and dont require a teammate to fly and get 0 kills

Considering the main mode in this game revolves around kills and rpgs require a dud teammate and even then arent the most successful just shows

[crisp cobalt]

My personal armed lb record is something like 170/0

[mortal stone]

Armed lb isnt rpg heli lmao

Read

Learn to read

[crisp cobalt]

Rpg heli is just annoying and you can’t even expect it

[crisp cobalt]

Ik real

[sand sonnet]

No but it’s fun to pilot so that’s why I play

[mortal stone]

Im not complaining about helis im literally saying they dont need a nerf

[crisp cobalt]

Yea they don’t

[sand sonnet]

Depends on what u see as a nerf if u nerf jumping rockets u nerf current jumper meta and im all for that if u nerf the bird itself i dislike that if its from the running board dont nerf it

[warm hull]

If we wanted to really nerf the heck out of helis make the people on the inner seats unable to do anything

[sand sonnet]

Yeah those seats are for medic and repair if we do that we might as well get rid of repairing helis outside of spawn

Thus rewarding a conservative playstyle and not the huge fun clips of air jousting people do

[sand sonnet]

Jumping rockets need nerf

big bird needs BIG BUFF

Civi heli is fine maybe little faster considering it doesn’t have armor

Lb a fine maybe nerf slightly but all around a good glass cannon

Hermit transport buff armor and running board nerf jumper meta from hermit transport

[warm hull]

Not saying that helis need that kind of nerf, it is after all mostly balanced out by having to resupply at base AND having to repair out the reduced max HP of the vehicle

[sand sonnet]

Spook and spooktrom are both typeing lol

[crisp cobalt]

Ir smth similar to blackhawk
your area where you can point RPG is smol and it’s really not convenient to aim with it

[sand sonnet]

Yeah as I said buff big bird and hermit but nerf rockets in a sense

[warm hull]

Easiest nerf is to just make gravity do gravity things

[crisp cobalt]

Yea big birds really need maneuvorability buff

[sand sonnet]

No argument here

[crisp cobalt]

After 100+h in armed lb i hopped on big birds and i felt like 💀

[warm hull]

I do think the miniguns should be consistent across the board however

[sand sonnet]

Yeah maybe have rockets more affected and take longer to “climb” when aimed upwards

[crisp cobalt]

It’s like solid 2s delay for any movement

[warm hull]

Lb miniguns not overheating once is stupid

[crisp cobalt]

Not needed

[sand sonnet]

Yeah the GAU on the ka60 doesn’t feel the same as the on on the AH-6

[crisp cobalt]

I mean yea you can make them overheat but in this case armed lb will become useless

[warm hull]

Needed
Makes zero sense

Make it make sense

[sand sonnet]

I think it’s fine considering how if they did u would have to focus on enemys your position flight path tanks where your aiming ect

[crisp cobalt]

You can’t give big heli miniguns 100% accuracy and you also can’t give armed lb overheating (if you mean that overheating makes miniguns less accurate)

[warm hull]

Maybe this, but generally speaking just make people fall faster

[sand sonnet]

Too much for a funny mislim game where a guy is screaming MEDIC THEY SHOT MAHHH DICKKK OFFF THOSES DAM SNIPERS

[sand sonnet]

Post above sry didnt reply mb

:p

[sand sonnet]

Yeah that to

Maybe at certain alt make falling faster cus all the people on the ground who have been playing for a while have gotten real good at the parkour and if that is changed it could f em up

[crisp cobalt]

Just reduce accuracy while falling

[warm hull]

Just add gravitational acceleration*

[sand sonnet]

Based

[crisp cobalt]

Make it “where god sends it” accurate

[sand sonnet]

No cus then those airjam nerd r gonna learn physics just so they can be cringe again

[sand sonnet]

Yeah and then the clips will have so much more value

[warm hull]

I mean like make people fall faster the longer they are in the air

[sand sonnet]

I say no to that just based on alt cus kodiak c site and tensa if they decide to build could be kinda bad

[crisp cobalt]

If we’ll have reduced rpg accuracy why’d we need faster falling

[sand sonnet]

He’s got a point

[crisp cobalt]

Maybe just add slight acceleration

It’s not much, but when you’re falling from ceiling of the map on waki it’ll heavilly affect speed at the end

[sand sonnet]

Also nerf suicde carpet bombing I say u can only use suicde c4 in air not normal cus of how far u can throw and how fast u can pull it out

[crisp cobalt]

Nah leave it

It requires good coordination and insane teamplay to be somewhat consistent at it

[sand sonnet]

Or maybe I’m just bad

I could just be bad

Maybe I’m a b teir pilot instead of b+

[crisp cobalt]

Edit it and add “transport”

[sand sonnet]

Wat

Can u explain again I didn’t understand

[crisp cobalt]

“Greatest transport heli pilot to ever live” will be more accurate

[sand sonnet]

But my favorite thing ti do is rocket heli:( or a big bird with a dj and full crew

Not as a transport but as a rocket dispenser/big tank

[crisp cobalt]

Flying tank huh

[sand sonnet]

Yeah

Strafe around populated points like Basra c site (plane runway) letting my gunners play it like it’s a cod campaign

[warm hull]

Never seen C4 be used effectly from the chopper once

[sand sonnet]

I can and yes it was by airjam

[crisp cobalt]

You need to be lucky to perform such a thing

[sand sonnet]

Or that guy was hacking

Prolly hacking tbh

[warm hull]

Basically

[sand sonnet]

But it happens

[warm hull]

Never seen it in my lifetime

[sand sonnet]

And when ur in a chopper *almost every game ur bound to experience it

Some how I haven’t died to a drone while in the heli tho

[crisp cobalt]

I’ve seen a lot of people trying to drone me but never managed to do it

[sand sonnet]

Like it’s gotten close like could reach outa the cockpit and touch it but it has never happened to me

[crisp cobalt]

I either run away or shoot them down

[sand sonnet]

I say depends on the situation

[crisp cobalt]

I think the reason is that they aren’t using vehicle mines

[sand sonnet]

I can’t tell I burn past em to fast to see

[crisp cobalt]

I just think this is why they almost touch you but can’t detonate

[sand sonnet]

I have noticed tho like everyone has a different flying style I fly for smoothness except when I’m lineing up my shot then I go through some of my “presets” of flying like orbits over hands single direction or double direction

raccoon commonly does downward strafes and is very erratic but is a predictable way THAT I SOMEHOW CANT HIT

Ratkunt is a very aim focused fighter and prioritizing people over the veichle with pretty smooth movement but mainly for air

bacon air jams he is cringe

[crisp cobalt]

I’m flying too close most of the time and focusing on manoeuvres more than aiming
Also prioritising helis instead of people

I can go 50-10m close

[sand sonnet]

For me closeness Varys per server like is it a dead server are there tanks who am I shooting at is it enjis or snipers do I have an apc or t99 to fall back on if it goes south ect

I really should make a PowerPoint of flying and present it on a friyay event

[crisp cobalt]

Can i participate maybe? :3

I think i can also share a bit of knowledge

[sand sonnet]

Sure yeah just dm here or me heli facts and I’ll put it in the PowerPoint and credit u

[crisp cobalt]

Idk if you can insert vids or you can make a breakdown?

[sand sonnet]

Nah it’s gonna be on a google slide and after imma have that 2010s outro music that goes BUUUUU BA BA BU BU BAAAAA

[crisp cobalt]

For example you can reach ~270 km/h while flying like this

You look up smth like 50 degrees and flying downwards using camera

[sand sonnet]

Yeah but when u do that it you have to recuperate your momentum so u lose like 1-3 seconds

[crisp cobalt]

It’s not the best way to travel but when you need to get high speed fast it’s an option

To run away or in first minutes of round

Where it seems to be faster to gain height and then do this

Also your passengers will go crazy because of it :D

[sand sonnet]

I fly to be smooth and that 3 seconds isn’t worth it cus what I like to do is FULL NOSE DOWN and lest say I’m running back to spawn I’m on fire I don’t got time for it but since I’m already forward I can drift the heli to the box

[crisp cobalt]

It’s not working for transport heli btw because of delay and very high inertia

It’s suitable for littlebirds only

Because it’s easier to control and these 3 (more, actually) seconds can save you

[zinc plank]

[warm hull]

Slaz Airlines in a nutshell

[sand sonnet]

Bruh lmao Kobe clan just voted to have a 9/11 emoji added to the discord

[random vortex]

xd

[sand sonnet]

I’m prolly gonna open ms paint and do a bad heli goes into the thing towers for that emoji

[knotty pecan]

Thank you for choosing slaz airlines

[sand sonnet]

Average wakistan bridge thunder run

[warm hull]

Since BBR is getting soldier voice lines i wonder if pilots will scream "MAYDAY MAYDAY" when tail rotor gets shot

[sand sonnet]

We are?

[zinc plank]

ye

[sand sonnet]

I ussuly scream “op our tail rotars been shot we’re going down dammit”

[warm hull]

Ye after updoot teaser someone asked if the voicelines from it are just for the trailer or if they will be in the game, and the answer was that they will indeed be in the game

[sand sonnet]

Maybe the voice lines will be like quick chat like how valorant has some pre made things like hello thank you watching here ect

But none I think will replace MEDDDDDDIIIIIIICCCC THERESSS TO MANYYY OF THEMMMMMM

[warm hull]

Not many details, but the impression is that they will function like in BF games

No death/pain grunts tho

[sand sonnet]

In the heli I hope there is a quick thing to say heli spawn needs crew it would save me a good deal of time

[sand sonnet]

Vrak is my squad leader

He’s Kobe thus I can’t be the squad lead when he is

Maybe talk but not screech

Also Janus left us to make his own clan cus he didnt wanna vc with us

Even tho Kobe got some dam good humor maybe he just doesn’t like to have discord open idk

That makes 2 ex Kobe members that left to start their own clans

[crude sequoia]

ngl I think the lb movement needs another (small) nerf and maybe a buff to its max health. I still think that blackhawks are at the top of the food chain but could maybe use a tiny buff to the miniguns

[sand sonnet]

Ka60s aren’t on top it requires so many factors for it to be goated I say lb a guns r fine I think the movement is fine

[sand sonnet]

Also rat u gotta send me the footage of our bout cus u said “ill send it in a day or 2” it’s been weeks

[crude sequoia]

so many factors = sit at skybox until you spot your counters, maintain height and distance, protect your tail

[sand sonnet]

No crew, pilot enemy competency and tank placements throughout map

If you wanna be on the leaderboard you have to sacrifice alt for drops

[crude sequoia]

if there is a good crew and a good pilot tho you can be pretty much unstoppable if the pilot knows what they are doing

[sand sonnet]

Unless the dj is mid

If the dj is mid everything goes out the window

We can’t forget about the most important job

[crisp cobalt]

Blackhawk can be on the too of food chain but you need at least 3 people who knows what to do which is problematic. With Little Bird only thing you need is your own skill

[sand sonnet]

Yeah as I said many factors

[crisp cobalt]

I destroyed too many big birds with armed Little Bird so i don’t think they’re on top lol

[sand sonnet]

Yeah

Overhanding them is kinda easy with how much momentum that have

For reference this is an overhand on waki bridge @crisp cobalt

Uv prolly done it I just call it that not to confuse

[crisp cobalt]

Yea mostly true

I sometimes can stop at 90° above point and change direction

You can’t really move straight while above bridge :D

[sand sonnet]

Yeah I suspend for my hermit rocketeers sometimes

[sand sonnet]

Yeah u can just feather the w and then when ur falling past it bank either side and gain alt rinse and repeat

[crisp cobalt]

Also don’t forget negative collective :3

Holy S button

Like, you can approach 90° above bridge and then reverse

[sand sonnet]

I don’t like to reverse kills the smoothness

[crisp cobalt]

Since it’s 2 forces that affect you while you pressing S you’ll fall much faster and people can’t hit you

[crisp cobalt]

Yea for rpg Little Bird smoothness is important but for armed one it doesn’t matter

[sand sonnet]

Yeah hermit is my favorite to fly lb a gets results and beg got the vibes

[crude sequoia]

Yeah I get what you mean but if you vs an actual competent heli crew, even if its a small crew they can just lock out all your vehicles from playing the game

ngl playing in the blackhawk is some peak bbr gameplay

[sand sonnet]

1v like 7

[crisp cobalt]

Yea if crew is very experienced

[sand sonnet]

Especially with dj

[crisp cobalt]

Ngl i experienced being harassed by blackhawk only once

And it wasn’t for a long time

Because if you want to get rid of me you need to sacrifice all time of a round to prevent me from flying

[brave flower]

[LOOKUP]

[crisp cobalt]

113k xp via transport 💀