Remove Infantry Conquest from Official servers

[nocturne girder]

It’s redundant and results in an endless loop of Conquest to Infantry Conquest.

If the game is already bleeding players because of the lack of update, the least that can be done is creating more variety in game modes by forcing players to vote ANYTHING other than a conquest mode.

[vivid hornet]

Been saying this for so long. Even if its conq and dom it’s still more variety than what we have now

[winter wave]

Even a 3 mode rotation would fix it so you can have conq-> inf conq-> something else repeat

Just anything to break the loop

[nocturne girder]

Agreed, and the same for the map rotation. Maps like Waki and Sandy should be removed from the voting pool for at least two or three maps to force more variety.

[pallid shore]

Yes

[patent silo]

Inf Conquest is gone at new update on both official and community servers.

[latent kestrel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/345616096470237186/1093610861651841085/e14d73fc-0f6a-437b-83bb-e0b67d9e8aca.gif

[pallid shore]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-crowd-cheer-crazy-gif-23007018

[static jay]

[stoic lintel]

bruh

update gets worse with each passing day

[winter wave]

im curious, why do you think it should stay?

[stoic lintel]

inf conq > conq
and there are better ways to prevent the conq loop without removing the better mode

[nocturne girder]

It would be a much bigger change to completely remove tanks and BTR/LAV from the game than remove a game mode that is practically identical to conquest.

They’re making the right choice and the death loop was getting ridiculous. My only suggestion is that they remove the game mode NOW instead of waiting for the update. Because there’s no ETA the game is going to keep losing players.

[stoic lintel]

removing one of the two modes from the game at all is fucking stupid in my opinion
and as long as they refuse to balance tanks and btr they can remove them from the game

this is just another "hey there is an issue and we don't know how to fix it. let's just do the first thing we can think of without spending more than two thoughts on it"

[winter wave]

I think Infy Conq would need some changes to make it not a half-baked, mostly pointless mode, to keep it in the game. At the very least, it should not be able to be voted in turn with normal conquest. Conq will always take preference over Infy Conq in its current state because it has all the vehicles, bigger layouts, etc, which makes it more appealing to the casual player who wants to mess around with more stuff.

a rework could mean that its different enough from normal conq to be voted in turn with it but im not sure what that could look like

[stoic lintel]

bigger layouts? aren't they the exact same?

[winter wave]

infy conq tends to have larger spawn zones and cut out/move closer 1-2 objectives

some are identical though like frugis

[stoic lintel]

as long as tanks and btr are half baked as they are rn inf conq will be superior to conq.
And since vil doesn't see an issue with tank sniping it will stay like that

[winter wave]

imo vehicle balance is a separate issue

[stoic lintel]

no

vehicle balance is the main difference between the two modes

conq is just inf conq + shit vehicles

= just a worse inf conq

[winter wave]

i imagine vehicles will be rebalanced along with everything else in the update which should solve the 'shit vehicles' issue by the time infy conq is disabled

to be fair i am putting a lot of faith in oki to balance things properly so idk

[stoic lintel]

nope

as far as I know they haven't touched them at all yet

[winter wave]

Also, I don't feel the vehicle balance making that big of a difference between Conq and Infy Conq. the only difference i feel is the objective layouts

thats just me though

[stoic lintel]

vehicle rebalance will come at a later date

if that info is still accurate

[glacial python]

as one vise man said

community wants to play conquest

cant do anything about it

[winter wave]

My beloved

[nocturne girder]

They can and they did. Sometimes people are stupid and need to be stopped from making stupid choices.

Next thing is to stop endless loop of Waki and Sandy being voted.

[pallid shore]

Vehicles will receive some touch ups but nothing particularly major as far as we know
IIRC it will be QOL stuff like these things not flipping the moment you crash into a wall or another vehicle

Thats really it

Any major rework of the vehicle is likely slated for another update

[stoic lintel]

Just remove one of those maps too. Easy solution

[pallid shore]

As far as the next update is concerned both maps will be completely reworked so

As for right now, remove sandy

[vapid zenith]

so when is the next update? :X

[pallid shore]

No date yet

[vapid zenith]

has to be soon surely

[pallid shore]

Nobody knows

[vapid zenith]

:/

[pallid shore]

[vivid hornet]

Yeah and now that same guy is complaining about his server never filling @glacial python

Cant do anything about it tho, people are sick of conquest

[vivid hornet]

I mean only reason we got momentum to even do that was because a server provider just wanted to have people playing on their servers again.

Im not gonna take the credit for that entirely outside of suggesting the idea to said provider. Community saw something different from 24/7 conquest and was willing to try it (granted, mainly for namak, oil, and old maps but yeah)

*As much as people in chat shit on old namak balance wise, there’s a reason its the most popular next to new namak. People love their clusterfuck chokepoints.

Oil and old district have the same concept with their C points, just not as popular as the namaks obviously*

[pallid shore]

On the topic of old namak, hopefully aftermath will be old namak but without shit spawns

[patent silo]

yep.
Aftermath its a remaster of Old Namak, but with better spawns and more cover + reduced verticality in between floors

[neat quartz]

does that include the destruction?

[patent silo]

you can destroy any buildings - yes.

but that wont change much as huge rubble will remain

[golden cave]

<3

[brazen wind]

IMO servers need to be divided by game type - 24 hr conquest/inf conq and 24 hr dom/frontline cuz the playstyles differ between modes so much.

map voting also needs to change to vote to skip rather than vote on next map

i think that change would result in more game variety

[pallid shore]

Mario kart voting
Mario kart voting

[nocturne girder]

There’s barely enough players to fill two servers in EU or NA region at a time. The community servers had become the dom/FL ones but it’s not sustainable either the current player base.

Conquest 24/7 right now is the wrong choice because you’re losing out on a good number of players who don’t want to play Conquest. So to be fair they need to make the official servers stop forcing the conquest loop so that it gives the most people a chance to play their preferred game mode.

I’m happy that they’re removing inf conq in the update but they should do it right now, as there’s going to be no one left soon..

[brazen wind]

personally i think domination/frontline are poorly designed modes but at this point i think there are 2 camps of players left in the game - those who like frontline and those who like conquest. Forcing ppl to play in a different way to what they're used to usually leads to them just closing the game. Also I think infantry conquest has more playable layouts compared to normal conquest but thats a different discussion. Maybe for now 24 hr game mode servers are out of the question but when the update hits and playerbase swells I think it should be a consideration at least

[brazen wind]

I think this issue is hinting at larger fundamental issue in that the playerbase was split from the beginning due to gameplay mechanics and we have to wait for the update to address this

1 last thing, i think a good compromise might be remove infantry conquest and frontline from officials and have dom and conquest be the rotating modes, I just think that forcing frontline mode on conquest players will lead to a big dropoff and at the end of the day the game is leaning more towards the conquest playerbase than the sweat frontline playerbase but this is just my opinion

[vivid hornet]

Invasion exists, vehicle players could still vote that

This is a bad faithed argument

Yes, the playerbase is definitely split, but it doesn’t help that literally all “official” ever was is 24/7 conquest, so it alienates any potential new person from sticking around unless we tell them community servers exist

Anomaly intended to stay and play bbr longer when he was playing it. Guess why he didn’t?

hint: totally not because of the conq loops preventing him from engaging with the other modes

Frontline isn’t the problem. Problem is the 2 forms of conquest aren’t that much different from each other. Same issue I have with domination and elimination as gamemodes, where elimination is just an inferior domination.

yes im aware we dont do invasion rn, tell oki to fix the bug that causes crashes when running the mode on community and I’d be happy to ask smith to readd it to vehicle paradise like we had before.

[stoic lintel]

invasion fucking sucks

[brazen wind]

1. Invasion is a terrible mode 2. How is my argument bad faith? 3. I think a new player playing frontline game mode is immediately given a negative impression, forcing conq players (majority of current playerbase) to play frontline causes them to stop playing for the night, a new player is gonna use quickmatch rather than server browser to get into game, and going from conq to frontline or dom is a very big shift in the speed of gameplay. One of the main reasons why battlebit died the way it did imo is because it felt like 2 different versions of the game depending on game mode and map 4. I don't know who anomaly is but there have been dozens of times when I have been playing battlebit with a group and the server votes frontline randomly and everyone in the call dips out, either way i think frontline game mode did more to turn off new players than conq-inf conq rotation on official servers 5. I would argue that conquest and infantry conquest play pretty differently and map vote matters way more for variance

the best analog i can give is in bf4 there are conquest servers and there are 24/7 locker metro servers for the super sweats

[nocturne girder]

Dude I don’t think you realise that the player base is not going to get to the level to sustain specific mode only servers.

This is the best middle ground outcome, players aren’t going to be forced into voting FL but they will end up picking dom which is a way better compromise than just conquest over and over. At least with domination it forces a greater map variety which is the other problem that needs to be addressed.

[brazen wind]

tbh in NA i think this is basically where we are at with officials and bbc

it would be easier to sustain bbc if map seeding was improved

For me the best middle ground outcome is remove inf conq and frontline on officials and have dom and conq be the main game modes

[nocturne girder]

Both servers do not fill up, and for all of the players currently outside of NA, if you miss peak BBC time then you’re stuck with official only which is always just conquest. This change needs to occur to allow everyone a chance to play alternative game modes.

[brazen wind]

liek you said it would increase variance without impacting new player experience too much

[nocturne girder]

New players can learn frontline just as easily as any other mode

[brazen wind]

nah i disagree with this way of viewing it, new players are just gonna stop playing if the mode is too punishing

[nocturne girder]

It’s not punishing at all, it’s just as easy to learn

[brazen wind]

when the update hits i dont see it being a problem sustaining 1 official and 1 bbc

[nocturne girder]

And it makes the game more appealing to a wider audience

You need variety

[brazen wind]

the reason why frontline is more punishing imo is because its simply more overwhelming of a game mode, prolly should make a separate thread for this discussion

having mode specific servers wouldnt decrease variety imo

[nocturne girder]

It’s happening as per Vilaski’s comment, so your point is moot anyway

[brazen wind]

yea but worth having a discussion about i think

might change someones mind xd

also if i remember correctly oki doesnt like frontline as it currently is either

[nocturne girder]

Domination is going to be voted most frequently anyway so that’s all that really matters. It’s the best compromise with the current player count, that’s all there is to it.

[brazen wind]

short term i agree, once the update hits i think game mode specific servers become relevant

tbh i dont see it being hard sustaining 1 of each if the other parts of the game are fixed

[vivid hornet]

Invasion is a terrible mode
still different from conquest
How is my argument bad faith?
You're running with the assumption both conquests play differently. They dont. One has tanks, blackhawks/and APCs, one doesnt. They by all accounts play the exact same, maybe shave off a bit of map here and there but sitll the same.
I think a new player playing frontline game mode is immediately given a negative impression, forcing conq players (majority of current playerbase) to play frontline causes them to stop playing for the night, a new player is gonna use quickmatch rather than server browser to get into game, and going from conq to frontline or dom is a very big shift in the speed of gameplay. One of the main reasons why battlebit died the way it did imo is because it felt like 2 different versions of the game depending on game mode and map.
Whilst speeds are different people wanted something besides conq.
don't know who anomaly is but there have been dozens of times when I have been playing battlebit with a group and the server votes frontline randomly and everyone in the call dips out, either way i think frontline game mode did more to turn off new players than conq-inf conq rotation on official servers
Except it didnt. Like the major complaint back then was always 24/7 conquest on the same 4 maps. Mario kart was supposed to fix this and people hated it.
as for point 5, refer to point 2. this is like me aruging elim and domi are somehow different when its just a few setting changes and plays the same.

[flat flint]

remove infantry conquest, vils says it is removed, 200+ messages later

[brazen wind]

yes but no one votes invasion becuase it is a terrible mode

i would argue that the vehicles change the flow of the game drastically

obviously the change is not as drastic as going from conq to frontline but i think that type of change turned off a large portion of the playerbase

[vivid hornet]

Positive discussion is good

Yes ik coming from me of all people

[brazen wind]

yee agreed

[vivid hornet]

You'd be shocked how many people want it still. @latent kestrel's a big advocate for it

and we have people asking about it from time to time. Is it as popular as conq? No, but there's a demand.

[brazen wind]

think it suffers from the same fundamental problems as frontline

[vivid hornet]

I agree FL has issues, but its still not the issue of "yeah this is basically the exact same mode and layouts, minus a few things"

[brazen wind]

if the end goal is sustaining the playerbase then promoting invasion as its currently designed seems inconsistent

[vivid hornet]

Which, again. Elim also suffers from and should be removed too imo, I am all for that

FL definately needs some love for the defending players I haven't been shy about that opinion

Proper fallback timer/ways to properly setup to prevent situations where attackers just rush it and it ends super fast because the "clump" can't run back in time without force respawning.

[brazen wind]

yea, again prolly worth making a separate thread about frontline at some point

[vivid hornet]

Agreed

[pallid shore]

On the mario kart voting part, the only people that hated it were the ones that couldn't play those same 4 maps

Mario kart voting just improves map variation greatly

[nocturne girder]

Correct, they should never have removed it

[latent kestrel]

I think I liked it because how exploitable it was

Especially when it first came out

[hollow gull]

I also like it, but usually vote for FL/Domi for not wasting vote. Demand we still have, but we need to save it for not Conquest

[static jay]

inf conq has blackhawks, armed littlebirds and attack boats btw lol

only difference is no tanks/apcs and they just sit at the back of the map being uselss most of the time anyway

[glacial python]

make cash run great again

[vivid hornet]

Old map moment or just oki being oki?

[static jay]

thats wine paradise

[vivid hornet]

Oki moment

rcb too

So he just grayed the line between the two even further, making me once again ask what even is the point. Just rebalance tanks and apcs so people want to engage with them and against them on conq

[pallid shore]

Infy conq can be stupidly inconsistent

One map has only cars and an usable lb while other one has everything but tanks and apcs

[stoic lintel]

nobody cares about blackhawks. Tanks and apcs are the problem

[brazen wind]

wine paradise on inf conq vs conq feels way diff imo

same with zalfi

tbh the main reason why i like infantry conquest is the obj layouts

map reworks might change that

[devout lotus]

you care to elaborate on that or..?

[pallid shore]

Whats there to elaborate?

Infy conq is no more

Shits gone

[devout lotus]

elaborate on why, you know, reasoning, as one should always do if some decision is made

[pallid shore]

Personally idc

Game mode is ass

[devout lotus]

then dont read it and shut up, you are adding nothing of value to this conversation then

[stoic lintel]

[nocturne girder]

Probably for the exact same reasons highlighted in this discussion.

It’s too similar to conquest, and limits the types of maps that can be voted.

It’s become painfully repetitive and this change needs to occur to allow everyone to play their preferred game modes and increase map variation.

[devout lotus]

do we have any data on what gamemodes have been played by how many times?

cause, i think that would just lead to endless conq with its eventual round of non conq modes, certainly not better in terms of repetitivenesss

if we dont have data (which i think we dont, cause why gather data to substantiate decisions, lol), i would first gather data on that topic and then decide

[nocturne girder]

Yes we do have data.

[devout lotus]

and, honestly, givem how much time has passed since any actual gameplay has occured, i would stay far away from decisions as impacting as that is

[devout lotus]

from when is this

[nocturne girder]

Right now

[devout lotus]

that data is not even close to be representative

[nocturne girder]

This is the current data for last month and includes both community servers

[nocturne girder]

It’s literally a screenshot from right now, it’s absolutely representative.

[devout lotus]

it is not

look at the amount of players that represents, that is laughable

[pallid shore]

If you excluded community servers its would be 50% conq 50% infy conq

[nocturne girder]

If it’s just looking at official it’s almost 100% conquest and infantry conquest. So an endless loop

[devout lotus]

it would be having a movie being watchef by 1 million people in the cinema, each time a full cinema

then, you wait until the cinema is 10 % full at best, you ask how the movie was, 50 % / 50 % share of "good" and "bad"

you cant draw the conclusiom that 500k people like and 500k people dislike the movie

[devout lotus]

you could then make the exact same argument on removing regular conquest, same logic applies

[pallid shore]

Thing is that conq is not a half assed game mode

[nocturne girder]

They needed to remove one of the options

[pallid shore]

Infy conq is

[nocturne girder]

They picked the best one to remove

[devout lotus]

that is your opinion

[nocturne girder]

Endless conquest loop is boring

They’ve made the right decision

[devout lotus]

the solution is certainly not removing a widely liked gamemode

[nocturne girder]

They should just pull the trigger right now instead of waiting for the update which could be months away

[devout lotus]

"people like buying fanta and coke, lets remove the 2nd most sold product!"

that is beyond stupid

[nocturne girder]

People like conquest so they will choose it 50% of the time, other 50% will end up being mostly domination which satisfies the people who play community servers

So that you satisfy the most number of people

It’s really a logical decision

[devout lotus]

it is not

[devout lotus]

given that

[nocturne girder]

Instead of alienating 50% of the player base 100% of the time

[devout lotus]

that

[devout lotus]

that

[devout lotus]

that

[devout lotus]

that

[devout lotus]

and, especially that

[nocturne girder]

@patent silo surely you can weigh in and explain why this guy is wrong

It’s so straight forward

[pallid shore]

Infy conq is a half assed game mode, cause as it stands the vehicles said game mode does give are fucking useless except the little bird

[nocturne girder]

There’s barely enough players to sustain two NA and two EU servers

[devout lotus]

you talk like people play modes they dont like

i see conq? i leave the fricking server

[nocturne girder]

The player base who prefers non conquest deserve a chance to play other modes

[devout lotus]

and thats why your screenshot there is not representative....

[nocturne girder]

It’s literally the data for the last month

[devout lotus]

how thick are you man

[nocturne girder]

I cannot talk to someone who cannot understand that

[devout lotus]

the game had had 20x the players or so

[nocturne girder]

It doesn’t.

You need to come into the real world

Honestly you make no sense

I’m done talking to you

[pallid shore]

Do we need to point out why having a loop of 2 gamemodes where one can be fun and the other is that thing but worse is an objectively bad thing

[nocturne girder]

You wanted data, I gave you the data and then you say it’s not representative

[pallid shore]

Why keep a game mode that barely differentiates itself

[devout lotus]

then make it 12x

[nocturne girder]

Exactly, and why you need to give the player base who wants non-conquest a chance to play

It’s so simple

[devout lotus]

the data is not representative for the general playerbase as that general playerbase has been long gotton off the bus

[devout lotus]

THAT is simple, yet you seem to he to thicc to understand what representative data means

[devout lotus]

even with such a nice analogy

[nocturne girder]

It’s representative of the situation right now

Which is exactly why they need to make this decision

I don’t care about the player base from 2 years ago

It has zero relevance

[devout lotus]

and how representative will this be after the update? after an influx of x people trying the game again?

all those players will see "inf conq removed", ill nope right back out of it, and many will do the same, i would argue

[pallid shore]

They are not representative since they left already and given the game has changed enough for their opinion to be invalid
They are not around to give a proper opinion on the current state of things

[nocturne girder]

You are basing that on an assumption that remains to be seen

[devout lotus]

if some restaurant removes my favorite food and leaves me with "meh" stuff, i will no longer go there

[devout lotus]

hence i wrote

and, honestly, givem how much time has passed since any actual gameplay has occured, i would stay far away from decisions as impacting as that is

[nocturne girder]

If this game becomes conquest loop only you run the exact same risk

This way you get best of both worlds

[pallid shore]

We saw what happened to OCE

[nocturne girder]

It’s the right call

[pallid shore]

Conq loop aint saving the game

[devout lotus]

frankly, i would say nothing will, given the absolute amount of headless team members

and it proves itself time and time again

[nocturne girder]

Yeah so be a realist, the player base is too small to have the official servers running conquest loop forever

Make it fair at allow 50% alternative game mode

[devout lotus]

then why take the mode out completely? let the players play what they want

[nocturne girder]

Domination means more map variety

Again, fairer

Because it’s not fair on the player base which is sizeable that prefers alternative game modes

[pallid shore]

#1379670737169944626 message

[nocturne girder]

I would strongly argue that the conquest loop is killing the player base faster

There’s a lot of players who play community servers only and these are not even filling up anymore

[devout lotus]

the difference betwen conq and inf conq is huge, but why would i even engage a conversation with someone who does not see this obvious fact

[nocturne girder]

They’re not different enough

[devout lotus]

answer that

[devout lotus]

whats "enough", define enough

[flat flint]

oh man thats a banger

[devout lotus]

for you it might not be

[nocturne girder]

I swear this is Slazengers alt account

[pallid shore]

Tanks and APCs are removed and the zone is sometimes smaller

Thats it

Huge difference my ass

[nocturne girder]

Domination is similar enough and allows for more maps

[devout lotus]

????

[nocturne girder]

The endless Waki to Valley to Sandy loop is so boring

[devout lotus]

do you have stats on that when the game had 10x the playercount?

[nocturne girder]

30% of all maps in the last month have been Tensa, Waki and Sandy

[devout lotus]

so you dont?

[nocturne girder]

There’s over a dozen other maps to play

I don’t care about that period

It was so brief

[devout lotus]

"brief", lol

[pallid shore]

Those stats are not applicable due to the changes in how the game plays since

[nocturne girder]

We are talking about right now

[flat flint]

It was. The game plummeted in player count basically immediately.

[nocturne girder]

You’re arguing the past which is so bizarre

[pallid shore]

This is like comparing ciggie sales back in the 50s compared to now

[nocturne girder]

The player base has settled to this current point for a long enough period to see the trend that we’ve fallen into

Three maps taking up 30% of all games

And 60% conquest which is more like 100% on official

[devout lotus]

because the current situation is not representative of what it normally would be like

it would be a company comparing profits pre-covid and while high-covid times, it makes no sense since a bunch of external factorsnare wildely different

[nocturne girder]

It’s tedious

[nocturne girder]

It’s been at this point longer than it was at a bigger player count

[devout lotus]

again, answer that

[nocturne girder]

The fact that you can’t see that is so weird

[flat flint]

Yall are arguing over the removal of infantry conquest still right?

The thing that vils said is, already removed.

[nocturne girder]

Honestly I don’t know anymore, this guy is just talking in circles

[pallid shore]

The new normal changed

[nocturne girder]

My problem with the change is that it isn’t happening right now

[pallid shore]

The pre covid world is different to the post covid one

[nocturne girder]

It shouldn’t wait until the update

[flat flint]

But it will

Like, everything

[nocturne girder]

Just pull the trigger

[devout lotus]

that fact that you with your glass-wearing pfp cant see things straight is as alarmingy my man, your arguments are as mentally stimulating as the peel of a long-overdue banana

[flat flint]

You know they wont

[nocturne girder]

Endless conq loop is killing the game

[flat flint]

Search your heart

[pallid shore]

This is the new normal we are in now, and acting as if its before the bullshit is moronic to say the least

[devout lotus]

lets take this logic on then

remove 254 player servers
remove 128 player server

would make sense, no?
the "new normal" cant really fill those servers

your logic applied to a different topic

[nocturne girder]

https://tenor.com/view/jambajew-steve-brule-kiss-gif-18457145

[flat flint]

Dennis what are you arguing? Just so I can be on the same page

Cause infantry conquest is going to be removed

[devout lotus]

that removing inf conq is a dumb decision

[flat flint]

ah

[nocturne girder]

That it’s still 2023

[devout lotus]

reasons are above

[nocturne girder]

And he’s living in a fantasy land

[flat flint]

Yeah i mean, if vils said its removed, aruging about it now aint gunna do much

[devout lotus]

you have to agree on that then

[flat flint]

but o7 carry on then

[pallid shore]

The new normal still allows for those servers to exist

[devout lotus]

for what? game barely fills them

[nocturne girder]

Exactly why this change needs to occur

[devout lotus]

"alienates players that want to play 64 servers as they are impossible to fill as well"

[devout lotus]

argue that

[nocturne girder]

And the point I’ve made repeatedly

If we are getting to just one full server a day

Then allow more game modes

It’s so simple

On the best days it’s a 80-90% full community server

Some days it’s half

[devout lotus]

im still waiting on a solid argument here, why not let them decide, hmm?

[devout lotus]

or that

[flat flint]

cause players are dumb

[devout lotus]

hit me with your sound logic

[devout lotus]

come on

[nocturne girder]

Exactly, saving players from themselves

[flat flint]

I have no actual argument as the decision was already made

it doesnt matter what my words are

[nocturne girder]

This is what I’ve said too, it’s happening

And it’s the right decision

And it needs to happen ASAP

[flat flint]

any expectation of that prior to the patches release is, unrealistic

[nocturne girder]

Hey we got the ping limit raised

No harm in trying

[devout lotus]

too scared to answer?

[nocturne girder]

https://tenor.com/view/gone-gif-24439865

Done with you

[pallid shore]

Oh shut up dennis

[flat flint]

[pallid shore]

If you are gonna circle around the shit we already answered just shut the fuck up

[flat flint]

@grave crystal is it even possible to alter game mode availability without a patch?

We we will find out an answer to fragrances question

[devout lotus]

hirnamputiert

[nocturne girder]

I was obviously basing my views on the notion that it is possible

So if they can do it, they should do it

[grave crystal]

I don’t think so

[flat flint]

Well, we will start with step one, finding out if it is possible

And.. there ya go

[nocturne girder]

If it’s not possible then of course I wouldn’t suggest they push an update

@grave crystal shame! Thank you for answering

[nocturne girder]

I suppose this can be locked then

It’s served its purpose lol

[pallid shore]

At least next update removes it

[nocturne girder]

I really hope it’s soon 😬

[pallid shore]

2077 cant wait!!!!

[stoic lintel]

damn lots of yapping in here

looks like I missed the party

[brazen wind]

would you guys consider switching officials to game mode exclusive servers after the update?

[neat quartz]

Thats never gonna happen

[stoic lintel]

and it shouldn't

[pallid shore]

No.

[stoic lintel]

removes inf conq to stop conq loop
ask about gamenode exclusive servers

[brazen wind]

why not, doesnt limit variety and helps retain new players?

post update shpuld be able to sustain 1 conq server and 1 dom server

waki sandy loop mpre brain dead than conq loop but ppl have a hard time making a distinction

[stoic lintel]

why remove inf conq in the first place then

conq player will play on conq only server then and those that want all modes will not conq loop

[vivid hornet]

Ah yes, the same guy who complained about eco/cateat farming him which is “ruining the game” and seeing base spawn traps/“too many snipers in safezone isnt a problem btw” is now suddenly coming back from the dead to say infy conq is somehow different because he likes being immune to 90% of the sandbox. Even 1S1K and I can agree to disagree on somethings, you’re still a perma brick wall.

not worth a discussion go back to your feedback team discord bro, you ignore statistics when you were always the guy to ask for them? Funny how that works.

[vivid hornet]

More so the fact that said loop on official servers was dumb when the whole point of official was always promoted as “variety”

Yet its always conq. Nevermind the fact a lot of complaints relating to stuff like LB increased tenfold due to the armor to deal with those things just not being present. Now let’s hope another mode that’s unique will take its place. I say bring back cash run.

[viral leaf]

if they remove infconq do we just get perma conq?

[stoic lintel]

cant vote for it in a row

[viral leaf]

oh right

[stoic lintel]

ppl that want the conq loop will just become mad that its no longer possible

[vivid hornet]

Honestly wouldn’t mind a compromise solution where its % vote, vote whatever, but that will likely lead to the same issue and we’re back where we started if the goal is to stop the loops

[stoic lintel]

still waiting for larrys response on it

[viral leaf]

it might be a positive change but its kinda coming out of nothing?

[stoic lintel]

it is not a positive change and its completely random

[viral leaf]

vilaskis when he needs to provide a reason for the things he does

[stoic lintel]

like they just woke up and decided that

[pallid shore]

Boo fucking hoo for them
Oki should let community take care of that then

[vivid hornet]

I mean I will say this

[stoic lintel]

i also dont get why its removed from community servers too?

[vivid hornet]

Community not having it is kinda odd, but it’s probably a balance related reason

At least I can only guess that anyways

[pallid shore]

Will admit, i was suprised it was removed from community servers as well

[vivid hornet]

My whole thing is stop the conq loops on official. That’s it

[viral leaf]

i just wonder what replaces it then

[vivid hornet]

No point calling it a variety server if its not actual variety

[stoic lintel]

awful way to achieve that

[vivid hornet]

Cash run

[stoic lintel]

ffa

[vivid hornet]

No lbs but gun jeeps my guess

[stoic lintel]

tdm

[vivid hornet]

Because lets be real most people complained about lb on infyconq anyways

Which most of us chalk up to skill issue (agreed lmao) but yeah

[viral leaf]

they could probably sort conq/infconq into same gamemode type

so that you cant have a conq round after infconq round
less destructive solution

[stoic lintel]

lb is stupid. Not because its very strong but because its annoying

[vivid hornet]

Tdms already confirmed not coming

[stoic lintel]

or increase the game mode block to two rounds instead of one

[vivid hornet]

Tl;dr vilaskis and oki hate xp farm moment

Was mentioned in a previous suggestion ofc gl finding it

[viral leaf]

the incident...

[vivid hornet]

Yep

the gromp situation and its consequences

Yeah just double checked, argument against tdm was basically “not fun/would be boring for official progression + xp farm”

Which, fair enough I suppose, just wish they weren’t paranoid about the xp system to this day

[devout lotus]

i ignore statistics which are far off the standard, yes, if you show me stats that the last 7 days at your home has been cold as hell, i will tell you to look at the stats of the previous years before you draw conclusions about temperature

cant help you if you are such a yohole when you not understand that ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vivid hornet]

“I dont like these statistics so I refuse to accept them. I win the discussion”

[devout lotus]

its about how well it represents the general playerbase

as i have outlined a bunch of times yet it seems to be incomprehensible, perhaps not a thing in your pool of words

[vivid hornet]

Thanks for proving my point

[devout lotus]

you have no fucking point

[vivid hornet]

Whatever makes you sleep at night feedback team

[pallid shore]

The problem is that the standard you are using does not apply and probably wont apply at all ever again

The general playerbase you are talking about left years ago and have not gone through the changes BBR has or will be subject to

The standard has to change at some point do actually keep up with the times

The standard that has been around for a long fucking time given the lack of updates is that on official servers at least there is fucking nothing but conq and infy conq

[devout lotus]

that comes into play then

if you wanna remove it from servers cause of the cycle of game modes, then why get rid ot if entirely?

people obviously like it

[pallid shore]

Just saying you cant use the 80k peak numbers as a representation of your standard back when vector and medic were busted

[devout lotus]

and, which also still applies, the same argumentation can be made for "remove conquest"

[pallid shore]

Shit dont work like that

[devout lotus]

id be fine with 10x of players, lol

cause, i would think thats how much are going to be around 2 weeks post update

[devout lotus]

which then would require valid counterpoints against "remove conquest"

[pallid shore]

Except that conq, as was stated, is not a half assed game mode

[devout lotus]

define what a "half assed game mode" is

thats entirely subjective, which is not a good argument

[pallid shore]

Barely any thought has been put into it

You can see this cause the only constant infy conq has is that there are no tanks and apcs

[devout lotus]

the game mode does not want to be something widely different, that is the nature of "infantry conquest" it is conquest, but without vehicles, not more, not less

[pallid shore]

Are you actually trolling right now

Infantry conq is conq without vehicles

[devout lotus]

i said that right there

and, that is not even entirely correct, you have plenty of vehicles

quads, cars, transport heli, i think one other vehicle?

depends on the map, too

[pallid shore]

"...it is conquest, but without vehicles, not more, not less"

[devout lotus]

what is your issue with this statement

if you want to be pedantive, it is conquest, but without offensive vehicles

not more, not less

[pallid shore]

Except that infy conq can have vehicles with guns on them anyways, even the RCB which is a water version of the APC

Those are pretty offensive vehicles amd rather fucking stupid right

[devout lotus]

then that should be definitely changed to not be as inconsistent as it apparently is

[vivid hornet]

And that’s not forgetting the weird layouts of the time like the one mia posted earlier

[devout lotus]

if one makes gamemode x which is a derivative of gamemode y, then it should differentiate itself from y, else, that all wouldn't be a consistent gamemode

[pallid shore]

Even if we disregard the differences and solve them, the only viable transport vehicle is the littlebird

[devout lotus]

what makes a transport vehicle (in this case helicopters) objectively viable?

[pallid shore]

Ultimately for everyone, it boils down to playing larger domination, except some get to use the littlebird every now and then

[devout lotus]

in the end, i believe there should be some large scale mode which focuses on person vs person combat (i.e., "persons" only") without the possibility of vehicles killing you (running over is ok)

[pallid shore]

Littlebird is viable for a few reasons:

1. It can fly and backcap very easily
2. RPGs can easily be used
3. Repairable mid flight
4. Unskilled players will straight up not manage to kill it

[devout lotus]

would you disagree on that dnuof?

[pallid shore]

Thats domination

[vivid hornet]

Ask for larger domi layouts then

[pallid shore]

Thats just domination

[stoic lintel]

interesting point. care to elaborate more than "Barely any thought has been put into it"?

[pallid shore]

Hell, frontline

[devout lotus]

is domination 254 (or could it be)?

[vivid hornet]

There are some that exist, I just went through with the e4 staff and unbanned some layouts last week, actually

Some larger in size, like outskirts

[pallid shore]

Yeah, 254 domi exists

Its fun

[devout lotus]

then: Make Domination Great Again

[vivid hornet]

Only issue you might have is sniper limit, however if you care enough to seed you can bypass that limit

our way of encouraging people to seed/ptfo

[devout lotus]

i interpreted lots of the statements of you (dnuos), pepega and OP as a statement against the general concept of offensive-vehicle-less gamemodes

[vivid hornet]

Also team swaps limited to 5 min per swap

[pallid shore]

Scroll up

[devout lotus]

which might have made me a bit more offensive in my language than I would normally have been, if you felt a bit harshly spoken too, i apologize for that

[vivid hornet]

Dennis im used to this shit you should know that by now

Welcome to suggestions

But yeah, e4gl would be your go to place for that.

[stoic lintel]

i did and i didnt see anything that would make it half assed

maybe i missed something. If i did please point it out to me

[vivid hornet]

Infact brb lemme find the map list

Construction
Namak
Old_Namak
District
Old_District
Outskirts
Valley
Eduvardo
Salhan
Kodiak (I think? have to remind him to add it if he didn't but its listed)
Wineparadise
Azagor
Isle
TensaTown
MultiIslands
SandySunset
Zalfibay

[devout lotus]

arguably the inconsistencies dnuof said with the statements i derived from those inconsistencies are a point one has for the "inf conq is half assed"-position

[pallid shore]

So you ignored the part where the only vehicle that can actually transport is the littlebird while the rest is a glorified taxi that can easily explode, not to mention that its heavily inconsistent with what it limits on each map as well?

[stoic lintel]

[pallid shore]

Ultimately its larger domi with a littlebird flying every now and then, even in the ideal conditions where stuff like armed lbs, blackhawks, gun cars, gun boats and RCBs spawn do not spawn on any map

[stoic lintel]

the point of inf conq is no tanks no btr it doesnt matter if some maps have littlebird ot not

or if cars are viable for transport or not

[pallid shore]

Play domi or frontline then

[vivid hornet]

I mean even if you think that, it's part of the reason why people complained about LB so much

Now again if you wanna chalk it up to skill issue or actual balance related issues from your PoV, doesn't change the fact that it played a part in people's thoughts of it, even when unarmed, which infyconq has.

[pallid shore]

It actually kinda matters even if its unarmed lb
"Littlebird is viable for a few reasons:

1. It can fly and backcap very easily
2. RPGs can easily be used
3. Repairable mid flight
4. Unskilled players will straight up not manage to kill it"

[vivid hornet]

There's also the point in one of the devcasts made where they're nerfing the RPG strat/some strats with LB because it was "too strong"

so it does raise the very valid question of is this whole thing just balance related and that's the solution they came up with so they didn't have to nerf LB further?

[pallid shore]

We still do not know how vehicles will be affected outside of some QOL stuff tbh

Hard to tell

[vivid hornet]

All a matter of waiting for the soon™️ at the end of the day

[vivid hornet]

anyways here's that feedback thread link #1377285605477716158 message

if you're in e4gl

Unfortunately most old maps don't support infyconq or domination, at least with the tools provided for offiical progression servers. Funnily enough we could do old_eduvardo FL.. but I doubt anyone would want that.

[pallid shore]

Old edu is ass

[vivid hornet]

tbf only old map that I'd argue is balanced and fun is old district

Obviously some other ones are fun too but objectively they are a one sided mess or rely on a gimmick to be fun

[pallid shore]

Tbf if old disctric was tighter and visually more interesting it would be perfect imo

I do like C point a lot, but other objectives personally never interested me once

[vivid hornet]

Yeah, fair enough. Closing point, all hail domination

and lets cope for the return of cash grab, seeing as it was mentioned a lot recently

[pallid shore]

Yes

[nocturne girder]

I think Aza and Salhan are pretty balanced

[vivid hornet]

Fair but im refering to old maps specifically when I mention that

current "new" rotation is okay, could be better but some old maps are dreadful by comparison

[upbeat root]

I think this game should be mainly conquest, only arcade game modes would be on different serves then

[vivid hornet]

“MY OFFICIALS SHOULD BE 24/7 CONQUEST INSTEAD OF THE VARIETY THAT WAS PROMISED. I REFUSE TO LEARN ANY OTHER MODE, THOSE MODES ARE NOT #TACTICOOL!”

if it isn’t obvious this is a bad take and if I have to explain why not allowing variety on the official sevrer, which was promoted as variety, is bad.. please stop typing in suggestions and save us all the headache

[stoic lintel]

talks about variety
removes game mode

[vivid hornet]

Inferior copy of an existing mode*

That could be replaced with something different

2 forms of conquest isn’t variety its just 24/7 conq with extra steps as a bandaid to attempt to appease both sides, displeasing both.

Conq guys will always want max vehicles and armor to play around with so long as it’s balanced. Infantry focused players prefer to not deal with any of that and enjoy the smaller layouts more on top of that

[upbeat root]

mann i thinked more players playing this game aren't cod players with attention span of a potato

[vivid hornet]

Ah yes, not wanting 24/7 conquest in a variety server, which the devs clearly wanted to have some variety = “adhd meth head whataboutism”

Go back to reddit

Not only did you miss the point you somehow managed to turn it into “sweats bad”. You are the exact type of person that picture is referencing

Also mods, please. So we stop getting garbage takes like that one from people who clearly cant read/misrepresent the points argued in this suggestion #1313066671417589760 message

[glacial python]

nah conq is goated

[upbeat root]

the game is meant to be conquest

[viral leaf]

❤️‼️

[upbeat root]

well there is no way of satysfying everyone

[nocturne girder]

No which is why removing inf conq is the smartest move

Then everyone gets a game mode they can enjoy

Instead of only conquest stans

Which is excluding so many people who want smaller game modes and more map variety

[vivid hornet]

Variety server is what more people want. Not conquest 24/7

That’s why so many people left or queue specifically community only. What you see now is the consequences of that, the people who were burned out and wanted to try other parts of the game didn’t around and go “oh well, maybe one day we get invasion”

They just left

Turns out yeah, playing 2 forms of conquest on the same 4-6 maps isnt fun

[upbeat root]

the game isn't for arcade players then

but a smart move would be creating servers specially for arcade game modes

infantry conquest is a good balance between arcade game modes and conquest

[vivid hornet]

The game isn’t for milsimmers then

The smart move would be creating servers specifically fo… oh wait they did that and that’s what happened

Surely BB legacy did better though? I mean not even reaching 1k players and having next to no mainstream appeal is good, right?

[upbeat root]

it was meant to be

but community is trash

[vivid hornet]

Statistically it is not

Community wants BF, not squad

[upbeat root]

arcade game modes ruin the game

[vivid hornet]

Statistics disagree with your statement

[upbeat root]

its ok we need to keep the balance

between arcade and milsim

[vivid hornet]

And devs are moving more towards arcade with a milsim mode still being tbd

[upbeat root]

i don't want milsim to be destroyed

[vivid hornet]

Then push for them to finish the milsim mode like everyone else did at one point on this theead months ago

Statistics do not lie, people came for funny voip/interactions and just wanted to have a blast. If they wanted more tactical, especially low specs for entry, arma already covers that and I’d say pretty well nowadays. Makes sense why bbr devs want to hold off on the milsim mode until they get officials at a state where people like them and dont leave again.

This isn’t a roast towards arma btw. Good on them for finding out how to allow for potato settings so people with lower end gear can still play the game they want to play.

[golden cave]

hardcore servers?

[upbeat root]

good idea

but im afraid no one will play on them

so we need to mix

300 players?

[vivid hornet]

Need an update for that and plus most people aren’t into HC

[upbeat root]

in game

[viral leaf]

maybe theres a reason for that

[vivid hornet]

I mean im not going to get into the state of HC server affairs, some of their regulars brought it up with me so I have a general idea

idk if Jason or Terris are here but yeah, better to ask them simce they were/still are HC server players