#Cap point hide and seek restriction

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late trail
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As we know, in this game, a guy just need to hide himself in hostile cap, as long as he could, and enemy will not able to respawn at the cap
Those team player need to go around a whole cap when the cap still blinking after done capture, this is totally wasting time and also annoy, this just causing most of the player will just go away and not willing to search the remaining enemy in the cap and hope somebody else to do that. But the guy really trying to do that will also have the risk to get killed by the hiding enemy and no one around him, the intel will not able to be transmit as squadmate also far away.

I suggest there is a time restriction for hiding enemy in a fully captured cap, is simple, when the capture progress doesn't move after 30s, the enemy in the fully captured will be shown in the map, let the friendly able to find him much easier

hushed pewter
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Make objective capture points match the map environment, and change capture points from covering 50+ floors of buildings to something defensible. Adding spotting/wallhacks is a bandaid solution to real problem of, capture point design straight up sucks.

silent briar
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oki stop using the fucking sphere tool to make capture points.

late trail
silent briar
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and stop making it impossible to spawn on contested points, there'sa a reason nobody else does that

late trail
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but i don't trust their design

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thats the problem

hushed pewter
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Well good news is our trust or distrust of their design doesnt change the reality that it is indeed their game to design. This still aint it in terms of solving the capture point problem

late trail
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partially

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at least

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better than do nothing

shrewd moth
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a single person shouldn't even be able to cap in a 250 player match in my opinion

late trail
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or better say

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make the whole cap not able to respawn

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Oh yeah

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i need mention another

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the fking squadmate spawn restriction

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useless

uneven folio
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Funny, I designed a Recon Gadget to serve that purpose and reveal the direction of enemies on your compass in the class design document I sent them

late trail
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still don't know how it actually works

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especially sometimes works, sometimes doesn't

shrewd moth
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wall hack as a gadget?

late trail
uneven folio
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It's really not

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Its not wallhack, it just tells you the direction by a dorito on your Compass

shrewd moth
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can you explain it more detailed?

late trail
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oh i got it

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minecraft compass

uneven folio
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Then you could further nerf it by not giving it to all players but only those who stand within a certain distance of that gadget

late trail
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still

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the hide and seek problem really need a better, and acquirable solution

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as change the capture points mechanic
i don't think this is "acquirable"

uneven folio
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It is meta to just have an AFK hidden near an objective, just outside to the objective

shrewd moth
late trail
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maybe ||5m||

uneven folio
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like, if there would be a pro BBR tournament, with Conquest, 100% there would be one afk next to each objective as a silent spawn beacon

late trail
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or just only works in cap point

uneven folio
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The device I designed is a spotter, that spots all enemies whose glint it picks up + when placed on an contested Objective it would have the other function

shrewd moth
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hmm idk about that. Seems rather useless to me or very annoying if it gets buffed too much

uneven folio
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The fake glint device is also useless so... ¯_(ツ)_/¯

shrewd moth
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it is yes

uneven folio
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And we already have a target detector attachment

late trail
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target detector

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how to say

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useful and useless too

uneven folio
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Funny I also proposed a buff to the mdx 201 back then (which is the name of the fake glint device). Which was to shortly blind (aka Flash) people who look at it with a scope and its like a laser and hurts the eyes

late trail
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did you really able to saw the fking small ass red mark

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that mark by your teammates

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especially fighting at front

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not saying the red mark will not continue showing when they get into cover, including bushes

uneven folio
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Well, after all, I have said this very often. The solution to many problems, and to such problem as you described, is more content. As for example such a device, it could mark it on the compass, show on the map doesn't matter.

The game needs more content.

late trail
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and they didn't release any single bit update over a year

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best move

valid ingot
valid ingot
valid ingot
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Idk one that constantly glints, one that does it at random and a manual one (if you are in close proximity it will glint when you ads or some shit in a targeted direction)

valid ingot
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Dont need fancy shmancy shit when existing gadgets still need tweaks and all

uneven folio
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Binos would be used to to mark crates and would guide mortar users and artillery (but we are already in too deep to elaborate on that)

warped slate
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Increase the timer cap timer in general (at least make it a challenge for the solo/4 man squad cappers to cap) + on modes where it would benefit from it (invasion and frontline) add a fallback timer so defenders have the proper time to set up defenses for the next sector, and attackers can properly prepare their next advance (or push back to help retake a point in the case of FL)

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We don’t need 4-5 additional points on a domi map/fl sector to do that (creates the “follow the marker” problem that we see in conq where teams rarely see large scale action outside of the initial fight as a result), just make it harder to lone wolf obj/make it less powerful when someone does it - the devcast already said they wanted to commit to this idea, why not apply it to obj capping too?

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Obviously if a team fails to ignore a single guy on a point for 2-3 min.. yeah, skill issue. But it shouldn’t be as easy as it is now, especially with backcapping, to effectively cripple a team who’s at the very minimum paying attention (just not having enough time to properly react in some cases.)

valid ingot
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That being said just make binos do shit for spotting (and let recons spot gadgets and other enemy stuff)

steel lintel
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My honest reaction when recon long ping is passive

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And not tied to binos

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🔥

steel lintel
valid ingot
silent briar
warped slate
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or how bad would it fuck things up?

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I feel like that would solve some of the issues regarding them

uneven folio
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If its visible like enemy/allied zones that would be annoying af

warped slate
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Not that visible, just some barely seeable line around the objective that you barely see unless you’re paying attention to detail

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I’d like to think it would be better than just spheres, anyways

valid ingot
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I am beyond baffled by his take cause in BF4 and BF1 not only is is very clearly marked on the map and the actual enviroment (a line shows exactly the shape of the objective both on the map and when actually playing)

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Even without the line you can just make an educated guess as to what the objective area is cause 99% of the time the objective cap actually matches the enviroment

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Its just basic map knowledge that you learn after you play the map TWICE

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Hell not twice some are painfully straight foward

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You will learn it in 5 mins

uneven folio
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It should just display the meters when you are inside like this:
If you are at the center of the Capture point it will display it's radius in meters. The further away from the center it goes, the number will drop. At 0 you are still inside and if you go further away then you are outside. And you could make the number only visible if you are at slower speeds because if it goes from 30 to 0 within half a second if you fly by a heli that would defeat the purpose.

And when you are far away from the capture point it will just show the distance from the middle point minus the radius. So right now if a objective is 280m away with this change it will just display 280m minus the radius so like 250m for a Capture point that has 30m radius.

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viral hawk
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Wallhacks are the worst game mechanic ever

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Look at black ops six

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People hate that mechanic

silent briar
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tell that to literally every battlefield

valid ingot
viral hawk
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And it’s sucked

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Every time

viral hawk
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Killcam wallhacks are different

valid ingot
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Spotting:

viral hawk
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That’s not the same at all

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In any way

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What was suggested here was if you are in a certain place your position is revealed to the entire enemy team

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Without anything done by the enemy team

valid ingot
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It kinda is?
Like getting spotted in both BBR and BF reveals the location to every enemy on the map

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Its basically wallhack but tuned down

viral hawk
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well

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what was suggested is that if you are in the point you get marked

valid ingot
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Yes, i dont agree with it, because it doesnt solve the problem of objectives being shit

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Otherwise id be more than glad to have every camper on the map marked

valid ingot
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Regardless, wallhacks arent bad by default, it just depends on how balanced it is

viral hawk
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or bad at all

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just check your corners

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literally that easy

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and its a legitimate strategy

valid ingot
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Nah fuck em

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And i say that as support

viral hawk
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because of your skill issue?

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to clarify

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i am not a camper

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but they arent an issue

valid ingot
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No because fuck them

silent briar
valid ingot
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I forgor completely

silent briar
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nobody cared about the dorito(actually it was a diamond) in BF, they cared about the map spotting

valid ingot
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The exact thing BBR has, your position being revealed to everyone on the map

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But somehow, it isnt a problem

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Only time it was, it was when spotted were visible thru walls

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It was stupid broken but recon could finally use his drone to the fullest potential and mark 90% of the lobby for your team to see

vocal hill