Quick aiming will be easier with iron sights and easier for closer range + it feels more natural using iron sights on this. I dont mean deleting pgo7 from tandem but just making another version with iron sights
#pgo7 TANDEM + TANDEM with iron sights
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high olive
pretty sure there is no tandem with iron sights because of balancing
past willow
Fuck balancing lemme hit tanks with iron sights tandem
jolly thicket
no tandem with iron sights because its drop is fucking stupid and you wouldn't see your target becasue you had to aim so high
past willow
no tandem with iron sights because its drop is fucking stupid and you wouldn't s...
Dont care + zeroing exists
Now give me
jolly thicket
zeroing wont help lol,300 meter zero equal 50 for the tandem
past willow
Code it seperately for tandem
jolly thicket
not how that would work
past willow
It can work
It is possible after all, given the fact that they didnt implement it for "balance reasons"
past willow
would love to see you see nothing but the tube if it does come
Incorrect
jolly thicket
that is what would happen lol
past willow
The irons are high enough to allow for a clear sight picture
jolly thicket
with the drop? no
like I said, 300 or 200 is 50.
and it don't go over 500
which is only 100 for the tandem and thermo
past willow
which is only 100 for the tandem and thermo
Are you forgetting that multiple guns have different bullet drops and max zero ditances and yet have been implemented effectively?
Why is tandem any different
Why would it be
jolly thicket
because its an RPG
lol
all the other guns have their own zeroing, RPG is RPG
you don't get to ask for a single rpg to be different from the other RPGs
past willow
Why do you act like it is unchangable?
past willow
you don't get to ask for a single rpg to be different from the other RPGs
I do get to ask
Fuck you gonna do about it
past willow
I beg the different
I cant english
Either way, it is already stupid that it is locked to a scope
A shitty scope at that
jolly thicket
not really since that is how it was designed to be used lol
shitty scope that is perfectly ranged
past willow
not really since that is how it was designed to be used lol
Aint stopping nobody from putting it a video game
jolly thicket
yeah, seeing nothing but the tube when you try and shoot beyond 50 meters is gonna be so fun lol
and beyond that you would just see the warhead.
unkempt venture
you don't get to ask for a single rpg to be different from the other RPGs
And yet the tandem so clearly is
jolly thicket
its the weight of the warhead. the RPG is not the change
jolly thicket
They are high enough
no, no they aren't.
unless you are shooting Bore, which is 50 meters, you will not see your target
oh and 100 meters for the tandem is actually further than the 500, so you can't even range for that at max.
past willow
no, no they aren't.
they are cleary high enough
jolly thicket
yeah and that would drop the warhead within 25 meters lol
past willow
and you can still code it differently
past willow
yeah and that would drop the warhead within 25 meters lol
Again, zeroing exists
jolly thicket
yeah, you zero an rpg to 300
and now you can hit targets at 50 meters with the tandem
at 500, the max, you will be ranged for about 90
and at that point you wont see much of your target
past willow
I would cause how zeroing doesnt work the same like irl
In bbr im pretty sure the scope doesnt actually move to actually zero shit
Therefor its not an issue
And you can alter how zeroing works on tandem specifically to make it work
You are just being boneheaded for literally no reason
jolly thicket
nah, that's you buddy wanting a stupid mechanic for something that would not be fun to use lol
past willow
Man you really underestimate the RPG folk
jolly thicket
rpg folk would get it
use it
find out its shit and not fun to use beyond point blank
and then never use it again
past willow
No point in arguing here if you are going to ignore what i said and be a moron about it
Just let us have stupid shit
high olive
just dont zero the tandem and shoot where you think is right
past willow
Fine by me
unkempt venture
Alright at the very least you have to admit it would make it better for firing out of helicopters
digital moss
pretty sure there is no tandem with iron sights because of balancing
pretty much this, they dont want to create a "shotgun for tanks" (C4 kinda fills that purpose anyways)
cause that's all it would be used for with irons in most cases
I cant remember the exact reason but it was something among the lines of that
oak pine
Do people not realize that the tandem scope is actually accurate in regards to the numbers within the scope.
urban zephyr
Many find it confusing, i'm not one of those
The cross is for point blank encounters, and that's all you need to know for starters
full niche
Whoa, what a fight happend here
im think all rpg with iron sights are better for not thinking and quick aiming
its better to shoot from it when target is >100m
jolly thicket
at that point just use the scope.
no change in ads speed and center of screen is direct fire for the the tandem
unlike HEAT and frag where you aim lower because bore sight is actually the top cross in the sight
full niche
but honestly
who wanna aim 10h in middle of the fight
it was easier with heat pgo7 because it has more range
jolly thicket
10h?
jolly thicket
oh you mean slow
full niche
ye
jolly thicket
as far as I know the timing is actually the same
at least according to people who tested it
full niche
who wanna aim 10h in middle of the fight
we say something like this in Poland
that an action can take 5h
jolly thicket
yeah i thought you were referring to something else not 10 hours
full niche
for exaple i dont wanna do the dishes because it takes 100hrs
bitter fractal
NO.
past willow
Your tanks will burn vehicle man.
shut ice
I'm pretty sure it was agreed that this would simply make sense
It's a short range rocket. I wouldn't mind if it didn't have the scope on it, or if I had to aim crazy high, just give me the option
shut kite
I would said iron sight was way more better than pgo(
jolly thicket
not for a tandem
urban zephyr
The range for tandem is too short
minor cape
just make rpg one gun with 2 attachment points: sight and ammo
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I would said iron sight was way more better than pgo(
iron is more natural / instinctive
in my opinion
and greater to aim quickly
none of them are better, they are just different
urban zephyr
Im not against the iron sight option
But its convinient to have the pgo if you know how to use it fast
full niche
but pgo7 is only used when you wanna shoot like 500m away
urban zephyr
It works for me tho
full niche
how about shooting from this to helicopters
full niche
ye its np to add because there will be 2 variants
just pgo7 will be used by fans, iron by enjoyers 
past willow
The range for tandem is too short
Honestly its perfect
If it had the same drop as heat or something it would be busted
past willow
But its convinient to have the pgo if you know how to use it fast
Unless you are strictly sniping with it, pgo7 is plain inferior to irons
minor cape
just make it one weapon 🗿
past willow
just make it one weapon 🗿
Oki coding 
minor cape
jolly thicket
Use aim at the cross
the cross is 50 meters bore sight for the HEAT and Frage. the double line is the 50 meter for the tandem. the double line is also the center of your screen
jolly thicket
Unless you are strictly sniping with it, pgo7 is plain inferior to irons
same aim time,better sight picture, and you can shoot alot further with it. totally inferior
past willow
same aim time,better sight picture, and you can shoot alot further with it. tota...
How does the pgo7 in any fucking universe have a clearer sight picture?
jolly thicket
How does the pgo7 in any fucking universe have a clearer sight picture?
massive circle to see your target instead of tiny spot through 3 separate cage sights?
past willow
massive circle to see your target instead of tiny spot through 3 separate cage s...
You forgot the part where the circle has lines and other bullshit
jolly thicket
its AT.
none of those lines are hiding a target.
and unless you are trying to snipe a person directly beyond 350-400 you can still see mr. block man
but since this is tandem we are talking about, you aren't doing that anyway
past willow
Lines do provide more visual clutter and are only useful if i want to snipe one person, which is usually a waste of a rocket
Irons on the other hand dont need ajustments in case i have to use the rocket up close, doesnt obstruct my vision when i have to do so and it is much easier to destroy vehicles with irons than pgo7
This is particularly the case with helis, it is just much simpler to either zero irons or lift them up a tad to adjust where the rocket goes rather than figuring out on the pgo7 where the rocket would go
Thats really the main draw of irons, simplicity
They are simple and effective
jolly thicket
you do realise that we are talking about the tandem yes?
and that the center of the screen is the bore sight?
irons wont range for tandems.
so all it would be is somethign you use at point blank. which the PG07 will do just fine at that range since the tank/vehicle will fill your whole damn screen that you only have to center where you want to hit
past willow
Oh you were refering to tandem
Eh id still rather use irons
Even if it cant for whatever reason in your head cannot be adjusted to actually work on irons with some coding shenanigans, id still prefer it over the pgo7
unkempt venture
just make rpg one gun with 2 attachment points: sight and ammo
this guys onto something
urban zephyr
past willow
Most things still apply regarding to the pgo7 tandem, irons are just simpler to use for, well, everyone ik that uses rpgs
urban zephyr
for point blank situations, yes it is simpler
i just got used to the pgo7, so im not really complaining
past willow
for point blank situations, yes it is simpler
And this is where most of its use will come and why i would like irons on it
You arent exactly gonna be shooting the tandem much beyond like 100m most of the time really (assuming that whoever is in the vehicle isnt standing still or a plain idiot)
urban zephyr
i would be happy if we didnt need to aim and just hip-fire the thing
at point blank it doesnt really matter if you aim a few inches off
past willow
i would be happy if we didnt need to aim and just hip-fire the thing
Would be neat if you could hold the fire button and releasing it would fire the rocket
But hipfiring would just be overpowered for em
shut kite
i would say, just need get use to iron sight you will know the estimate drop and knowing how much you need to evalate
Just like how you use heat
No skill just experience
oak pine
The pgo tandems are perfect imo. The sight lines actually match the drop of the rockets. Used to run a rangefinder on my engi just so I could see how far that camping tank was.
jolly thicket
sad the removed the range finder, its set for abrams
full niche
i would say, just need get use to iron sight you will know the estimate drop and...
thats why i stopped using pgo heat because it obstructs my vision too much
and i just like heat more
elder epoch
the only buff rpg's need is a faster ads
having to wait like almost 2 seconds to ads an rpg is crazy when you could literally get blasted in that time
urban zephyr
The RPG does a lot in combat when you use it properly, you can wipe entire squads with a full load at the right timing and can change the advantage to your team
So, taking your time to aim doesnt hurt you a lot compared to what you can do with it
shut kite
having to wait like almost 2 seconds to ads an rpg is crazy when you could liter...
you already got instant kill
why you need faster ads
you need to know within 300m
rpg is even more frightening than sniper
not saying cqb with rpg is much more better than sniper
odd oracle
it would just be better with irons, and a good way to practice not shooting feet.
jolly thicket
better with irons if your are committing kamikaze vs a tank maybe. otherwise no.
past willow
better with irons if your are committing kamikaze vs a tank maybe. otherwise no.
Boooooooooooooooooooooo
minor cape
pretty sure there is no tandem with iron sights because of balancing
If it was for balancing, the tandem shouldn't exist LMAO
just have 2 alt aim modes
scope and irons
past willow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW6GADpJCt4
Fuck yeah
jolly thicket
because it dropping so early that it didn't even arm and richocheted off the water shows how so good of an idea this is.
digital moss
If it was for balancing, the tandem shouldn't exist LMAO
You’re asking me to make sense of oki logic but yeah that was the reason
Make of that what you will
past willow
irons for tandem is just not gonna be a thing.
You really hate fun
What a stinker
Honestly go play a milsim
urban zephyr
jolly thicket
You really hate fun
ah yes, not wanting something that would make a broken weapon more OP, while also not being used that way ever because of the drop is "hating fun"
its a shit idea that just makes AT even more OP in general, serves no purpose other than that.
past willow
jolly thicket
Only defense is memes and wanting the op to be more op lol.
urban zephyr
past willow
Only defense is memes and wanting the op to be more op lol.
Your reasoning is pretty shitty
You claim that the drop is apparenly stupid enough to be pointless but also claim that it will also make it even more OP
past willow
thats a rage bait
What else am i supposed to around here at this point?
urban zephyr
past willow
Besides he does bring up a lot of stupid points at times
When i suggested backblast for RPGs he said they should damage helis while you are firing from them
Yeah lets ignore the utter team killing potential that would have
And not to mention how as his defense he brings out either realism or someone saying that it is not inteded 500 years ago
jolly thicket
with drop irons are pointless unless you are up close. but also because it means it works at night, and as you said with the built in ranging that doesn't move the sights, it would be more OP. those are your words buddy.
jolly thicket
When i suggested backblast for RPGs he said they should damage helis while you a...
It's funny how you take the devs' words and say "oh that's old" when that is the most recent. It's not like you have anything newer.
and you still don't know the difference between realism and realistic.
past willow
It's funny how you take the devs' words and say "oh that's old" when that is the...
Please find me a message that very clearly states that RPG helis are not intended in the slightest and state the date of it
As far as ik that was present even when BBR was a milsim
And we know that it can changed very easily
So riddle me this, why didnt they do it already
past willow
with drop irons are pointless unless you are up close. but also because it means...
And somehow the scoped version doesnt work at night?
urban zephyr
And somehow the scoped version *doesnt* work at night?
uh, actually, it doesnt with the nvg on
past willow
uh, actually, it doesnt with the nvg on
Well yeah, but it still works especially since you can just increase the gamma to circumvent it anyways
No need for NVGs
urban zephyr
Well yeah, but it still works especially since you can just increase the gamma t...
tbh, that workaround is a pain in the ass
past willow
It is what it is
past willow
Either way, irons tandem will not be OP even with ranging
past willow
Sure there are circumstances where it will be better, but thats the fucking point
If i want to make precise shots especially at range with heat, i pick the scoped one
If i dont, irons
Same will apply with tandem
urban zephyr
yea
irons are just more convinient overall
you gotta figure out the ranging yourself, since its not specified on a scope
but it has way more drop than the regular rpg
so you wouldnt be able to see much with irons anyway at ranges
id say it would be more convinient if the rpg was customizable
imagine some dumbass slapping the heat scope on the tandem ammo
urban zephyr
well, both sound like great ideas
you lose a lot of visibility in exchange of having the irons
past willow
imagine some dumbass slapping the heat scope on the tandem ammo
Actually the heat and tandem scope are the same, they just use different lines for distance
past willow
Yep
urban zephyr
i have memories of those having different markings
but still, a single rpg but customizable would be about enough
simpler in visual, complex in building it
coming with the heat ammo stock and irons
level it up and you upgrade it to diff ammo and add a scope
past willow
i have memories of those having different markings
These are the lines tandem uses
The 2 crosses at the top and the funny rectangles are for HEAT
Same scope, just different lines needed to be used
past willow
level it up and you upgrade it to diff ammo and add a scope
This would be nice
urban zephyr
that wakes the idea of customizable rpg even better
that would open up for customizable gadgets
well, most of them would be just skins
but whatever, customize everything and add variety!
past willow
Yes
full niche
how about only iron sights TANDEM? I think TANDEM is too good because if you want to destroy vehicles you will pick it because of the higher damage than the HEAT. Shorter range is not a big deal because most of the time you don't snipe vehicles that are further than 200m+. This would give more use to HEAT at greater ranges and precision strikes while TANDEM would still pack a punch. It would be like: TANDEM - Fast, close to medium range powerful vehicle destruction
HEAT - Precise strikes at greater ranges at the cost of power.
jolly thicket
yeah. not happening. not just because that is stupid, but more so because they are planning on changing how all 3 RPGs work
past willow
yeah. not happening. not just because that is stupid, but more so because they a...
Not really it seems, frag is only being slightly buffed, heat slightly nerfed so far
Unless they are hiding something it appears they aint gonna change much anytime soon
jolly thicket
I swear they did say they were nerfing both heat and tandem