Desert Eagle

[buoyant yarrow]

I think it should 1 tap helmets but not exo

[lusty fern]

rsh has a bigger caliber, worse stats and less damage
if anything it should get that treatment.

[sand moat]

Cause big iron on ma hip

[buoyant yarrow]

funny enough i already did that, people rejected it

[lusty fern]

lmfao what

[buoyant yarrow]

i think the rsh and degle should one shot helmets

but only normal

[lusty fern]

the deagle shouldn't.

the rsh should

it has the bigger caliber irl and has overall worse stats

[buoyant yarrow]

isn't the rsh a subsonic round

[lusty fern]

depends on the round

but still

stats.

[frail ocean]

getting 1 shot sucks, no thanks

[lusty fern]

you get 1 shot regardless rn because you most likely have lost your helmet inb4 lol

anyways

rsh has less ammo, longer reload

and worse recoil

[frail ocean]

None of that changes that getting 1 shot sucks. The less frequently I instantly die, the better, generally.

[lusty fern]

there shouldn't be 2 of the same gun with one of them being objectively better

[lusty fern]

womp womp

[frail ocean]

A rousing reply schlamm

Enjoy shittin up this thread as well o7

[lusty fern]

if you get 1shot by a pistol you got outskilled

[buoyant yarrow]

owned

[lusty fern]

because you most likely had a better gun on you than the 1shot pistol wielder

a glock for example

lmao she left

[buoyant yarrow]

her ego couldn't handle it

[lusty fern]

what being a community helper does to a mf

[lusty fern]

also this post was made by a kraber main

[buoyant yarrow]

its a slow firing high risk high reward sniper

[lusty fern]

exactly, outmaneuvering and out aiming meta slave pilots is just

[sand moat]

Just cause it is subsonic aint stopping it from leaving a fat hole though a mans skull

Idk and idc if it is subsonic tbh

Big bullet leave big hole

Even if it dont we can have game logic still for funsies

[buoyant yarrow]

without helmet yes , but with one is a different story

[sand moat]

Besides, helmets wont do shit next update

Like they wont have durability no more

They will be purely cosmetic

So for all we know, unless they tweak damage values, both may as well 1 tap

Maybe not support cause it is getting extra health

[frail ocean]

Nor do we know how much hp engineer, medic or recon will have

Or the damage value of the deagel

Or its headshot multiplier

[sand moat]

Given that they are aiming for 400ms of average TTK, which they have already done techically with the M4 on a target with 100HP, perhaps those classes will still have 100HP

For everything else

Who the fuck knows

[frail ocean]

I would be shocked if they were too far from 100 in general but we shall see. Given the nature of the rest of the changes we've seen, i would be kinda blown away to see an new 1 shot kill gun introduced.

[sand moat]

Assuming there arent changes to the pistols that we are unaware of, rsh 12 and deagle should be 1 tap

I mean we do know that helmets will purely be cosmetic next update

[frail ocean]

And I would be REAL shocked if that were the case

Last we saw snipers are not intended to 1 shot headshot, so a dmr and pistol gaining that ability doesnt exactly math out

This was also in like june

[sand moat]

Imma need a citation for this

Also i do know that dmrs aint gotta get the 1 tap headshot treatment

That would be too stupid

But is it really far far fetched to think that deagle and rsh 12 wont remain that way?

[frail ocean]

Gunna make me dig up the old ass dev cast

[frail ocean]

Given the nature of the rest of the changes, a little bit.

[sand moat]

Yes

[frail ocean]

Please hold, going to see if my old messages hold the link

[sand moat]

I mean they already 1 tap without helmets, and landing heads with both is does take a wee bit of skill already

[buoyant yarrow]

I wouldn't mind, as long as it's balanced out with a trade off like low rate of fire or recoil or even all of the above its acceptable

[frail ocean]

https://youtu.be/apj51ks0GpE?t=2908

[buoyant yarrow]

currently guns are quite unbalanced

cough cough Fal

[frail ocean]

"headshots are one shots dont worry about that" I think are okis specific words. I am making inferrences based off of that, i can be absolutely wrong, but I dont for see an increase in 1 shots coming any time

[sand moat]

Can you give me a timestamp rq

[frail ocean]

the youtube video takes you to the timestamp

[lusty fern]

snipers still 1shot headshot

anyways if either of the 2 large caliber handguns get a helmet 1shot it should be the rsh because balancing

[sand moat]

I see

Still kinda vague tho

[frail ocean]

Vague enough to argue over interpretation for sure, thats where I supplement it with the rest of the changes made to make the game more legible with more player feedback. But only time shall tell

[sand moat]

Aye

[lusty fern]

can't you literally see the 1shot headshot in the vid though?

wait nvm

[frail ocean]

Yes, and then he uses the words that says dont worry about that

[lusty fern]

oh nvm the nvm

[lusty fern]

he said it'll still be a 1shot kill for most classes iirc

[frail ocean]

There is not a right or wrong way to balance weapons, its about what do you want the user and player experience to feel like. The more variance you introduce, the more chaos, the more "new" situations that can happen. The more removed extreme variances are, the more consistent the experience, the less potential for clutch moments and the easier it is for the same event to happen. I happen to enjoy consistancy over extreme variance.

I likely wont be able to 1v6 with the changed ttk, in the current game, its absolutely possible because of how wide the variances can be. That concept exists in pretty much all of a developers design decisions.

[lusty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/dono-wall-gif-24048347

[frail ocean]

One player enjoys instantly getting kills, but do they enjoy getting instantly killed, for how long, is the seratonin from the pick with the frustration and player friction it can create? Well. There isnt an absolute, it loops back to how do you want things to be experience. With 120+ possible sources of instant death, I for one, am super on board with reducing and at least not increasing the number of ways that can happen.

[lusty fern]

what are you yapping about?

[sand moat]

"I aint reading allat"

[lusty fern]

i thought discord caused me some brain damage wtf

[frail ocean]

I was expanding on my thoughts, that i breifly stated earlier

[lusty fern]

i did though...

[lusty fern]

ahhhhhh

well

as far as i can tell rn

the deagle and rsh no longer doing a 1shot would just turn them into meme guns

or well, solidify that position

and imo, if any of these two guns get a damage change it should be the rsh getting a slight buff as it is already worse than the deagle in almost every other aspect

[frail ocean]

Yeh balancing weapons effectively is hard

[lusty fern]

and i really don't think the occasional 1shot in cqc by a skill based gun is too bad

i mean, look at tf|2 and its skill (and less skill) guns

the kraber is the most fun gun ever

is a oneshot

but also takes skill

[frail ocean]

fuck a kraber

[lusty fern]

the epg can 1 shot on a direct hit, otherwise it only does a lot of damage

and then there's the epitome of skill gun, the wingman

[frail ocean]

I have no further argument other than what I typed up early that you replied to with a brick wall. Enjoy the suggestin

[lusty fern]

as long as certain guns are (reasonably) strong but gate kept by a significant skill requirement they are perfectly legitimate in my mind

[lusty fern]

it was in response to that coming out of nowhere lol

[frail ocean]

Was replyin to palma mostly

[lusty fern]

he was certainly reading all that on his phone

[frail ocean]

I.. like to think so. I enjoy discussing things with palma

[lusty fern]

ye

same

one of the few sane yappers around here

and yes i do get the irony of me saying that

[frail ocean]

When you hit me with effectively the "skill issue" reply schlamm, I take that as a general indicator that you dont want to discuss it, you just want to be right about it. Which is also me assuming but, ive been doing this too long to care really

If the other party puts in effort, i will. If its just a 'get fucked', i aint gunna bother

[sand moat]

You ain't wrong, i am infact on phone

[lusty fern]

discord ahhh moment

[lusty fern]

totally understandable

[frail ocean]

I appreciate the understanding 🤝

[lusty fern]

thing is just, if a gun, even if it is a 1shot kill, is kept in check by a skill requirement i think it's fair

compared to everything else being relatively good but also not difficult to use

[frail ocean]

Understandable. Skill is a very nebulous concept, and very player driven, i generally look at it from the shared player experience vs the individual mechanical application.

[sand moat]

I suppose there is an arguement of exactly how hard it is to use to warrant a 1 tap tbh

[frail ocean]

Skill requirement are also a fine way to reign in power levels. I think with the combined movement changes, and big ol noggins that players have, the skill gate is.. less strict than it might need to be given the number of players who COULD execute it.

[sand moat]

But i generally agree

[lusty fern]

true

[lusty fern]

kraber type shit i would say

or wingman elite who knows

[frail ocean]

Meanwhile every 4:3 controller out there

[lusty fern]

ancient ass setup lol

[frail ocean]

And yeah yeah its only .3 aim assist now but fuck that

[lusty fern]

eewwww aim bot

(tf|2 left me scarred from hemlok controller players)

[frail ocean]

Aim assist and 1k hours of apex are what did me in it was a good run

[lusty fern]

oh boy

[sand moat]

Who gonna win
2k hours pc apex sweat
Or
Man with a controller

[frail ocean]

I regularly have watched professional players get erased by gold players on console at the start of seasons aim assist is a hell of a thing

[buoyant yarrow]

make a suggestion channel on the rsh

ill back it

[ruby oasis]