#I think there should be some old gun like maybe a mosin or ppsh 41

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haughty zinc
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I think this would be cool

chilly ravine
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@meager patio

tardy saffron
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mosin is modern weapon

slow sigil
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Truly a modern weapon

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Just because its still used ≠ it is modern by any means

tardy saffron
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still in use means its modern.

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or lets just remove all the platforms that are not modern, which is the majority of the weapons and vehicles we have.

slow sigil
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Mosin is still a very old weapon

tardy saffron
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and most of the weapons are not in use because they are outdated.

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what's your point?

slow sigil
tardy saffron
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like I said, if you want "modern" get rid of most of the roster

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if you don't actually care about "modern" then its fine to have.

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like 3 weapons are actually new, modern, and in use.

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the rest are 30+ years old

slow sigil
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Bruh

tardy saffron
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at which point calling it modern means nothing

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just base it off what was used.

slow sigil
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Like it or not thats the way things are

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This means no mosin

tardy saffron
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Mosin be used in modern combat

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i.e still around

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i.e post 1960

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ergo

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allowed.

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just fyi

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they are being built new

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not just pulled from storage

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that said, only like 2 factories, but still

slow sigil
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I dont think recreations count

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And it would be acceptable if it was a modernised version and not built back in WW2

tardy saffron
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that would be fine

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its technically not a recreation

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but also it kinda is?

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it depends on how you look at a factory making mosins based off orders from a government that took over the old one

slow sigil
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A recreation usually implies that you are replicating the same thing practically beat for beat

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Modernisation is slapping new things on an old design to be more suited for combat of today

tardy saffron
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personally i think its somewhere inbetween that

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because its like official mosins

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not guns that look and operate like mosins

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kinda like the New Deloreans

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new factories, new equipment, same car 30+ years later

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also to be fair, I have seen them with bipods and modern scopes in mil use. also rail systems, but those I've only seen in images with no evidence of military use.

meager patio
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BBR is a modern war game, this is why there's a restriction on older weapons.

Just because they can be used, does not mean they should be used, yes the Mosin is still being used today, but looks like it's by people who can't make their own weapons, and just buy them in, and maybe cannot afford newer ones, or they are given out of older stockpiled ones. Quick read down wikipedia page points this out.

Not the 1st time this weapon has been asked for, pretty sure it was all over the last suggestion channel also, and the Devs said NO. so NO it is.

Going to leave this, so duplicates cannot be made.

tardy saffron
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just gonna ignore that they are being produced today, okay then

slow sigil
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Just suggest the modernised version and be done with it

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As you can see they wont budge

tardy saffron
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its still called the mosin

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there's this custom one, that's essentially a project like the AK-50. But the other ones are just Mosins with a rail system for a scope and a bipod.

mosin_nagant_archangel_sniper_build-9.png
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also saying it wouldn't be used on the modern battlefield is like saying the SV-98 shouldn't be used. as the only difference is that the SV-98 is polymer.

jade solar
tardy saffron
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Wooden SKS before it was updated to metal/polymer, pretty sure that one is on the list as well. which is essentially a G-43 but reverse engineered.

ornate cradle
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SUOMI KP/-31

heavy ginkgo
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Add a musket, muzzle loaders are still being made today!

heavy ginkgo
tardy saffron
heavy ginkgo
tardy saffron
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I'ts a bolt sniper.

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you want those gone too?

heavy ginkgo
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No, the ones we have are capable modern weapons.

chilly ravine
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"erm, but muh realism" 🤓 ☝️

tardy saffron
heavy ginkgo
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Plus the mosin sucks in general

tardy saffron
tardy saffron
heavy ginkgo
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No it definitely sucks way more

tardy saffron
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if we were talking about how much guns suck, we would have the ak-12 and the m4. and that's it.

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might as well do that by your logic

heavy ginkgo
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Okay fine I will be serious for a moment.

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The mosin is fine, it’s not significantly better or worse than other bolt action rifles of that time period.

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I just think it’s silly to ask for it when it doesn’t really have a spot it would fit in bbr. It’s an old weapon, which doesn’t mesh well with the rest of the weapons and equipment in the game. And even if a modernized version was added, it wouldn’t be very interesting. The bolt action sniper rifles suffer from being too alike already; I can’t see how the addition of yet another would be beneficial, especially given how similar it is to some of the ones we already have.

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I think if/when another bolt action rifle is added, it should be one with a significantly different design or chambering which could give it interesting stats.

tardy saffron
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the problem with that is that most modern rifles have basically the same "stats"

heavy ginkgo
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That’s a good point.

tardy saffron
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every single DMR and Bolt we have have within 150 m/s muzzle, and within 1 MOA

heavy ginkgo
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I think it would be beneficial to add more structure/cartridge/operation radical weapons to the game because it gives a great excuse to get funky with the stats.

tardy saffron
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at least at best, field there would be more differences

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might need one offs to do that

heavy ginkgo
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People would complain about the weapons not being “real military weapons” though. If you added things like a desert tech SRS and gave it something like crazy high handling and a glacial reload, or other things of that sort.

tardy saffron
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true. people want balance, but then they also want weapons to be accurate to real life

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and IRL guns just don't have that many differences since they are made to be effective

heavy ginkgo
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Exactly. Militaries know what works and they stick with it for the most part.

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That and cartridge standardization means there’s not a ton of variety in actual standard issue stuff.

tardy saffron
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not anymore anyway

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got to go back to Pre-80's to have different styles and weapons since that's when all the different stuff was starting to get phased out

heavy ginkgo
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You could try to add something like the M7 but based on what we know it would just be insanely overpowered if they made it anything like it is irl.

tardy saffron
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which M7?

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the XM7?

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yeah that's fair. its basically a Marksman rifle that can also go full auto

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a middle ground between the two classes I think.

jade solar
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so the mk14

heavy ginkgo
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If the mk14 could shoot through cinderblock walls and body armor.

tardy saffron
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they combined the mk14 and m14

heavy ginkgo
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Cinderblock walls maybe

tardy saffron
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far as I know the mk14 can't go full auto

heavy ginkgo
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But the 6.8x51 is a truly insane cartridge

tardy saffron
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if it performs half as well irl than on paper, that's correct

jade solar
tardy saffron
jade solar
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750 rpm.

tardy saffron
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...its semi-auto only

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i.e it don't got the selector

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but to be fair, I think it can easily be modified to do so since its based on the m14

jade solar
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mf mk14 not m39

tardy saffron
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mk14 basically just covers the selector

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it is still technically there, but you would need to alter the fram slightly to get at it

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esentially they just removed the switch, but it can be added back on pretty easily

jade solar
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oh youre the fuck who thinks silencers actually exist and make guns silent

slow sigil
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Thats correct

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He is the guy who thinks that

jade solar
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:icant:

slow sigil
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Somehow, he is more wrong than wikipedia

tardy saffron
tardy saffron
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and like I said, the mechanism is still technically there. its just covered by the frame.

slow sigil
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Probably depends on who and why they covered it by the frame, but Mk14s with the switch do exist still

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It is after all literally a modernised M14

tardy saffron
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easily modified to have the switch, the internals are still there

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but default state, its only semi-auto. Armorer could easily change that though

slow sigil
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It is not in its default state if they had to remove the switch

tardy saffron
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the mk.14 from factory did not have the switch to turn it full-auto

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however, the internals for it were still there, because its a dressed up m14

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they had to add the switch to use full auto, otherwise it was only Safe and Semi.

slow sigil
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Why do i even bother talking to a brick wall that thinks that silencers that eliminate sound exist

tardy saffron
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the problem is you are assuming I'm talking about "zero" sound. rather than just audible in general. (I am also talking about with the guns using subsonic as a given)

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and the mk.14 was not meant to be used in full auto, so the manufacturer did not have the switch turn to full auto. why is that so hard to understand? Armorers could change it because the internals were still there, making it an easy change if you knew what you were doing.

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i.e armorer could give mk.14 funny switch pretty easily if they wanted

unborn fox
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Anguish bro...

magic estuary
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bruh whats with people wanting old weapon for the 1000000 time, like most fps have the same types of guns its getting boring garand,ppsh,m42,thompson,1911 etc. etc. i want to see some bren, hk433 or even FAD 556

jade solar
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433 jumpscare

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Where's muh galil ace

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tardy saffron
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tardy saffron
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I don't think you understand how few weapons militaries actually use

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but thats an eventuality anyway

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hardy kelp
tardy saffron
slow sigil
chilly ravine
# tardy saffron nope

it was (only for milsim), they never said they want to faction lock guns in the base mode

tardy saffron
chilly ravine
slow sigil
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Well yeah source
I tried looking it up last time devildogg mentioned that but i cant find it anywhere

chilly ravine
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while i can't point to a specific date or stream rn i can definitely tell you that faction locking weapons won't ever happen in the base mode of bbr

tardy saffron
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considering that is the plan, and even adding more factions for that plan, I can easily say you are wrong.

chilly ravine
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huh?

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lmao

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are you hearing yourself

slow sigil
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Like where do you get this info from

chilly ravine
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"more factions = faction locked guns"
because locking the same amount of guns to even more factions, potentially without overlapping, is such a splendid idea

chilly ravine
# slow sigil Source?

more factions will be coming eventually, i think oki confirmed that in a thread somewhere lol

slow sigil
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The closest i found to what devildogg was saying is a message from oki roughly 2 years ago saying that guns were faction locked, that was eventually disabled

slow sigil
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Was still refering to faction locking guns

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Anyways just saying, didnt find no message from a single dev about faction locking guns in the future

tardy saffron
slow sigil
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And where is said plan exactly?

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And how do you know the plan is still valid

chilly ravine
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shit, people asked in devcasts and the answer was no, except for milsim mode

tardy saffron
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keep in mind, when they answered that, that was based on the current amount of guns

chilly ravine
tardy saffron
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not responding for the future factions and guns added like when they answered me

chilly ravine
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in a devcast?

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in a private ball fondling session?

slow sigil
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Dunno why its hard to find the source for that claim

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From whom was it from?

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Again, i checked if any of the devs mentioned it and i couldnt find anything here

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Was it from a staff member or someone else?

tardy saffron
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the entire thread that convo was on is gone, can't even find where I was talking about it. well fuck. I was just thinking you guys didn't bother actually searching, but I was looking into my messages and I didn't find any messages about it.

slow sigil
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Well there is now one way to find out if its still happening

chilly ravine
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papa term

coral salmon
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Additional faction camos are being added

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That is all that has been announced bout that

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#battlebit-eng message

slow sigil
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@fast hemlock question, will weapons in the future be faction locked, as in will each faction
will have their own set of weapons, and if so, will it be for all game modes, both casual and milsim?

chilly ravine
slow sigil
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Top gun jacket and gopnik outfit

chilly ravine
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can't wait for flecktarn camo

jagged wigeon
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Who is devildogg and why do they have the worst takes in the world

chilly ravine
tardy saffron
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ah yes, repeating what I heard is a "take"

slow sigil
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Repeating bullshit doesnt make it less bullshit

tardy saffron
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considering it wasn't bullshit when it was said

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the threads gone, can't even find me talking about it from my own messages.

round lotus
round lotus
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How dense are you devildogg

jade solar
hardy kelp
jade solar
slow sigil
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Lets see what termi says (if he even pops up)

jade solar
tardy saffron
odd horizon
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sv-98
Mk14
sks
the m16 gave rise to the AR platform
plus the unica is not modern it's a exotic, so if not older weapons why not more exotic weapons?

slow sigil
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How is unica exactly exotic?

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I mean yeah it does have some unique features, but i mean exotic is streching it

slow sigil
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Now we can finally shut the fuck up about faction locking guns

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Cause it is moronic anyways

jade solar
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I'm famous

odd horizon
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all I know is that if it goes out of the spectrum of "simple design" ( I'm using design loosely here) it's not going to be widely adopted, infact you are more likely to see weapons like the an-95?, unica an others more then not in civilian use like gun ranging, or just to say "I have this really cool gun"

the unica has the barrel in its center of mass to help take most of the recoil from the end user, however that makes the design more complex then needed VS a standard revolver, for the an-95 the barrel actually coils back while chugging out 2 rounds in the same way to reduce recoil, however again more parts means more machining= more parts = more time for dissambly.

though I would say in recent yrs we have seen military's consider more compact designs/foldable parts
But not as widely adopted

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anyway.... kruat space magic

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(Tldr) it's like cars....

jade solar
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Ackshually its an-94

odd horizon
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ok... I keep forgetting that so I'll either put it as 95 or 98 XD

round lotus
tardy saffron
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my point was that the wooden SKS was in use around the time we are taking guns from

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not that it wasn't modernized

odd horizon
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yes, but it originally was wooden

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polymer bodystock's got introduced which modernized alot of older weapons, like the sv-98

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Also reducing the weight cause wood is fucking heavy when included in A 80lb webkit

jade solar
odd horizon
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I can't remember everything

ornate cradle
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when we gonna have artillery?

tardy saffron
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Whenever it comes. They said it would likely be smoke only. If they add more I suspect it would be support shells rather than explosive.