#Vickers Machine-Gun

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near glen
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he's good for the Wakistan Map. and just If you want to add it to the gameBBClown

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rich creek
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Me when:

Mounted Humvee/gas tiger turret
Ultimax
M249
Or just any LMG

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AngrySquidward No patrick, adding a portable 2m/7m to infantry only modes would not suddenly make the gameplay better

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Horse radish isn’t a good replacement for logical balancing either

clear pike
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Vote yes to mountable machine guns

west warren
sharp walrus
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map based mg's like bf1

rich creek
rich creek
sharp walrus
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not if its map based

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like bf5 in that case

rich creek
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I still dont think it would fit bbr outside of conquest/invasion

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And even then, probably not there either because trucks with MGs on them (2m/7m) effectively do the same rhing but better

sharp walrus
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if we based everything on usefulness we wouldn't have jackshit.

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map based stuff would always have a place in larger FPS's.

rich creek
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And if we just added shit to infy modes cause “it looks cool” it would ruin the balance there too.

sharp walrus
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ah yes, stationary turrets would break the balance

rich creek
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Why would I pick support when I can just build/use a turret?

sharp walrus
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map based, immovable, always in the same spot stationary turrets would ruin the balance

rich creek
sharp walrus
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because you can move?

rich creek
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Ok so then what’s the point of the turret if it’s inferior support? You see what point im trying to make with overlapping roles?

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You may think it’s stupid, but I still feel that it’s important and what makes infantry modes the fun experience that they are

sharp walrus
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ah yes, because the turrets have to just be LMGs

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that you think it would be "inferior support" just tells me you haven't done anythign but play cod.

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that you think the turrets would also just be reskinned LMGs is also very telling

rich creek
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maaaaan we dont have to pull everything from BF just because we can

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That’s my point

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Support HMGs and sandbags do the job just fine

sharp walrus
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HMG?

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since when does support carry a .50?

rich creek
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M249/Ultimax

sharp walrus
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that's an lmg idiot

rich creek
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The light support guns my bad

sharp walrus
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there's still MMG

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and HMG

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GPMG.

rich creek
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Still fills the same role no matter how many “default to insults” you make

sharp walrus
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no it really doesn't lol

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if you think they do the same role

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than an m4 does the same role as an lmg

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the vector does the same role as an lmg by your logic

rich creek
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LMGs require being set up in a position to use effectively, turrets are essentially the same just with preset positions

sharp walrus
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yes and no.

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LMG's do not require that

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beyond having a single angle

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and a turret can be a base of fire for a squad that is defending

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one that won't instantly be lost if a sniper domes your LMG guy over by the other sandbag

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that said, turrets don't have to be a 5.56 clone. 7.62 turrets, or placed HMGs could be game changers for defenders

rich creek
sharp walrus
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and considering defending is fucking shit, could actually change up the game from the cycle of attack over and over

sharp walrus
rich creek
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But I do agree the way oki marks objectives by default is dumb, I’ve bad that opinion for the end of time and that’s why everyone defsults to attack only

sharp walrus
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its not just that honestly

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its that defending just sucks

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you cant spawn if enemy looks at you, you cant spawn on it if contested

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the points are generally so small that fighting out of it is basically impossible

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a defender is just buying time to hope the attackers of your team turn around and come back fast enough, since the enemy will always be able to spawn more than you can

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the only exception is a squad saying "this is our point" and placing down their buildings and spawners nearby

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there is also the very limited XP you get for defending over attacking

rich creek
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A lot of the issues with defending could be fixed with better tutorials, a better obj marking priority system (favoring points closer to your safezone would probably be best for newcomers) and an XP boost for defending objectives (aka “oki stop letting xp farm worries control your game, people who wanted p10 got it from weekly challenges”)

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Imo it’s not the lack of tools, it’s the lack of people knowing how to build, their classes perks, things like that

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A sandbag fort and barbed wire buy much needed time for those defenders to do what they have to do. It’s a shame oki doesn’t want to use the shooting range as a place to let people practice using them

sharp walrus
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Yes to those points. but having things like turrets are just a fun thing that players can use if they want. and even then the sandbags and barbed wire breaking silently don't help and unless its a little box, those forts tend to not be that helpful

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its simply something additive for fun, not a fix to the inherent problems that Oki needs to fix

west warren
west warren
rich creek
# west warren Even if its only doable by suppoert?

If there had to be one for whatever reason I would rather it be for a new under barrel attachment or weapon usable by support only, yes. Ideally the 2nd with its own pros and cons (although obviously not being to shoot on demand is a big downside to be considered), and not a map specific item.

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or just rework bipod to fill this purpose for lmgs as lets be honest - most people stay prone to get the benefits of it

rich creek
deft current
rich creek
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Oxi go take your daily dose of update erm

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surely soon™️

deft current
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Snipers will finally have a reason to exist closer to tap the stationary gunner

rich creek
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Counterpoint: DMR, RPG, anyone with decent aim

west warren
rich creek
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Then make it a “weapon”. I think not having a primary for it is a good trade off, no?

west warren
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Buildable

deft current
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Pensivesmh Pepe, do you not understand the stationary weapon charm/aura?

rich creek
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Hear me out

deft current
west warren
rich creek
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Making the build classify as weapon - can add your own fancy shit to it - when you build it/delpoy it, it comes with said attachments

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I think it’s a good trade off without just chucking extra shit on for the sake of with no downside, what you seem to be suggesting

west warren
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No?

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Like

deft current
west warren
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A buildable stationary MGs downsides are that you HAVE to build it and that it cannot be moved

deft current
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Stationary giga chad mowing down the inferior betas that do not respect the AURA

west warren
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In exchange you get immense power in the area the MG is in

rich creek
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Then respectfully we loop back to the first point - would be too powerful for infy situations and just make all of that support stuff pointless

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Conq I can see where you’re coming from. Unfortunately OP doesn’t go into detail as to where he wants it

west warren
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There is a counter, you literally said it yourself

rich creek
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Doesn’t matter if it cant move, we don’t need more turtle meta on infy only eShrug

deft current
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Smokes exist

rich creek
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Aura can go to conquest with the tanks I do not need smoke and LMG metro moment

deft current
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Otherwise your ass is gonna get picked off

rich creek
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Bold of you to assume I don’t use it pepelaugh

deft current
rich creek
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I know why smoke exists, still wouldn’t change the current thoughts I have about “lmg but stronger at the cost of no moving” in infy modes

deft current
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Better LMG at the cost of no moving is best

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Peak game design

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Adhd gamers dont understand

west warren
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They dont get the appeal of a immovable brick shithouse that can tear anything apart in its line of sight

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midnight escarp
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..the british army is definitely not still using the Vickers machine gun from the first world war..

sharp walrus
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ah

sharp walrus
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my mistake

midnight escarp
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and that is not the L7 GPMG

sharp walrus
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and apperently this image is a "styalized l7" made to look like a vickers. (not from the british military)

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the l7 is just the m240

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welp

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I feel stupid now.

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the vickers is relagated to shows and presentations now

quaint pewter
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L7 is MAG but M240 is a MAG that have bit changes

sharp walrus
quaint pewter
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but not completely

sharp walrus
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completly the same

quaint pewter
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nope

sharp walrus
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until you get to like the L variant of the 240

quaint pewter
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m240 have bit changes

sharp walrus
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which has different metals for the frame

quaint pewter
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it just like the relationship between fn minimi and m249

sharp walrus
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the M240

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is literally just the designation

quaint pewter
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L7A2 has no handguard like m240 does

sharp walrus
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of the FN-MAG

quaint pewter
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you can say it is the variant of FN-MAG

sharp walrus
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thats the D variant

quaint pewter
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but you can't say it is completely same

sharp walrus
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the fucking 240 is just an FN-MAG

quaint pewter
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for the mechanic

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yes

sharp walrus
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all the variants are also just the FN-MAG

quaint pewter
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but overall no

sharp walrus
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with kits.

quaint pewter
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varints ≠ 100% same thing

sharp walrus
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thats it

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FN-MAG = 240

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FN-MAG A variant = M240A

quaint pewter
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you are just like saying C8SFW same as M4A1

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but they are no

sharp walrus
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FN-MAG Delta is 240D

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its all just the fucking FN-MAG with kits that are offered as variants for the FN-MAG

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redesignated.

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that's it.

quaint pewter
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difference in details will have different performance

sharp walrus
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the details are kits made by FN for the FN-mag

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which the us adopted as variants for the 240

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the egress kit for the FN-MAG becaem the 240D

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the E1 was the variaant of the FN-MAG designed for vehicle mounts.

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H is just modernized FN-MAG

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L is just lighter frame FN-MAG

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the 240 is just the FN-MAG but redesignated for the US military.

quaint pewter
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you already said "redesignated"

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how you could said that was 100% same

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i agree with you yeah they are generally same

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but also comes with different details

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including heat shield, flashhider

sharp walrus
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those are stock on the FN-MAG

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they are exactly the same.

quaint pewter
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you are just like saying type56 and AKM are same

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generally speaking yes

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in detail no

sharp walrus
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type 56, chinese licensed vs akm

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right

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FN-mag and 240 are the exact same

quaint pewter
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different army will have different requirements

sharp walrus
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as per FUCKING FN THEMSELVES

quaint pewter
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so there will be some detail difference

sharp walrus
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those "details" are called variants

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of which FN makes for the FN-MAG

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which were then adopted as the 240 A/B/D/H/l etc

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as those kits came out.

quaint pewter
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you already call "variants"

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try think why it call "variants"

sharp walrus
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you are actually an idiot aren't you?

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FN-MAG with an egress kit = L7A2 with an Egress kit = M240D

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every variant of the FN-MAG, variant meaning different attachments or mountings all the way ip to the latests, has been adopted by anyone using the FN-MAG/L7A2/FN-MAG 58/M240. the US designates these kits differently despite them just being attachments and mountings.

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only the Latest variant is truly different in that it has a lighter frame becuase of different metals, US L-Variant, L7A2 Light, and FN-MAG 58 light.

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they are all the same because FN builds all of them exactly the same. that is the whole point of a standardized weapon system

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and yes, the L7 variants match the 240 variants.

quaint pewter
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you did know even original m240 that was used in armoured vehicle still have different gas valve and flashhider right

sharp walrus
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just like the FN-MAg

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and the L7

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exactly the fucking same.

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every variant.

quaint pewter
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As you like, but I still need to remind you, even with minor difference, even base on same model it still make a different gun

sharp walrus
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you are actually an idiot.

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same frame. same attachements. same mounts.

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exactly the same

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for the 240

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for the l7

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for the FN-MAG

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the l7 and the 240 is just designations for the FN-mag that has no changes to it.

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and every variant adopted after that, was just the FN-MAG having a new variant that was adopted by both militaries.

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with no changes

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because the FN-MAG was built to NATO spec

tawny stream
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lmao

near glen
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yes or not?

sharp walrus
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would be fun, any turret type would

fallow totem
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Turrets are extremely weak in actual shooter gameplay, they're just super vulnerable - so I don't mind if this were a thing