There should be some way to make it impossible
to shoot from inside the HQ
THE SNIPERS STAY INSIDE
AND IT IS NOT POSSIBLE
A PLAYER FROM ANOTHER TEAM COMES IN FOR THE KILL.
#make it impossible to SHOOT FROM INSIDE THE HQ TO FORCE SNIPE TO LEAVE
remote bluff
covert fog
Make it also
apply to vehicle in HQ
THE TANK STAY INSIDE
AND IT IMPOSSIBLE
ENEMY TANK OR PLAYER GO IN TO END THEM.
grizzled locust
Bad idea.
Then people can just sit right outside the spawn zone shooting in, while players inside the spawn zone can not shoot out.
It would be better if you made a fog wall around spawn zone, so you could only see 200m around you while inside the fog wall.
Anyone outside the fog wall (enemy players) can only see 100m into the spawn zone. That way you have a 100m buffer for players inside the spawn zone to see out.
But still not possible for tanks and sniper to sit well within the spawn zone to see out.
Like this
covert fog
lmao
umbral moon
Like this
This would probably be better tbh
At the end of the day the “camp in redzone” shit causes way too many problems for the game and often leads to one team eventually getting farmed. RS just recently had to put in a sniper/DMR limit because of this
magic geyser
Prevent snipers/DMRs, tank cannons and APC autocannons from shooting inside safe zones, let everything else. Problem solved, simple as.
Fog is probably not feasible and would also look trash on many maps
magic geyser
(only spawn camping snipers X this post)
eager python
maybe added timer for stay inside safezone and with longer timer when camp near safezone
reset each spawn
there are con side that if your team got zonetrap you're official f*cked
magic geyser
if you're zone-trapped, snipers aren't going to help you break out thats for sure
eager python
if you're zone-trapped, snipers aren't going to help you break out thats for sur...
they already useless enough tho, they can't be more useless than they are
faint bridge
people still think that the people in the safe zones do anything?
magic geyser
It's the perception of the untouchable player, any environment that allows a playstyle to only be countered by an identical playstyle is inherently flawed
silk cliff
If players are gonna sit back and do nothing all game it should at least be done outside of the safezone
covert fog
or shouldn’t be considered by some the only play style available for a class
who may be in this discord
and thinks you either camp in spawn as a sniper or aren’t sniping
slate flume
It's the perception of the untouchable player, any environment that allows a pla...
yeah this, and the fact terrain on a lot of maps enables it far more than it should; terrain plus the general way safe zones on the map are laid out make it completely deranged
ivory star
They shouldn’t be able to shoot out of the zone, but they should also have the spawn protection till they hit that border where they can shoot.
faint bridge
that is stupid as always, as per everyone who has attempted to say something similar
faint bridge
unless you are challenging them, they aren't a problem.
people who sit miles away will find ways to do it. and unless you want small, 3 lane maps, that is never going to change
silk cliff
Its one thing when they do it bumfuck nowhere in some far off corner of the map
And another when its in the safezone where you can put up a beacon or a vehicle with little consequence
Its not about if they have a genuent impact on the match, its about making sure that they are as vunerable as everyone else is
faint bridge
and yet that can never be changed
so honestly just stop bothering with the suggestion, its not going to change as long as spawn camping exists
if you challenge them, that's on you. if you die to them, that's also on you.
ignore them, and they might as well not exist anyway
silk cliff
and yet that can never be changed
You can
Make sure they dont have a vantage point in the safe zone that overlooks half of the map
It really isnt that hard to do
faint bridge
but that ain't enough for you all lol
you don't want them to shoot.
only now are you changing it to "oh just make sure they don't have a vantage point"
which is impossible anyway
very few maps have safe zones that allow you to see even half the map
silk cliff
I aint changing nothing here in stating my own opinion
I even disagreed to this particular method of the safezone issue
faint bridge
and most of the time the spots you are crying over are not even in said safe zones
unless the enemy has pushed you into spawn
silk cliff
very few maps have safe zones that allow you to see even half the map
Still doesnt mean that it shouldnt be changed
faint bridge
sure, if they mattered. most of them are blocked by terrain, buildings, trees and the like.
the spots that see more of the map are all but never in the safe zone for that reason.
like you can see the map. buts its not like you can shoot reliably at people anyway
silk cliff
sure, if they mattered. most of them are blocked by terrain, buildings, trees an...
Not really
faint bridge
they really are.
you have small spots of open sightlines, but not much more than that
silk cliff
Again, not really
faint bridge
false, but you can keep beliving that I guess
silk cliff
And they are an issue that is still reoccuring and should be adressed
faint bridge
issue implies that they mean something
the issue is with the playstyle of being a mile away from combat
not with the safe zone.
silk cliff
the issue is with the playstyle of being a mile away from combat
Wrong
faint bridge
no, that's exactly why lol
as enemies, they mean nothing unless you are challenging them for no reason
as friends you hate them because they aren't helping.
nothing to do with the safe zone
silk cliff
Idk abt others but my issue is that if i happen to want to take care of them i cant just approach them and shoot them
They are in the safezone that specifically does not allow me to shoot in
When im dealing with snipers outside of it its okay because i can actually aproach them
I dont have to switch to sniper specifically to deal with them
But with the safezone ones? Yeah you only have one method
Yeti said this well
It should be viable for me to approach them and accordingly make sure they arent a threat
Why should the sniper specifically have the advantage of always being unapproachable and able to spawn on vehicles and beacons that cannot be destroyed due to the terrain inside of said safezone
Whole shtick of the vast majority of videogame snipers is that they are inherently weak up close and great at range
And when they dont have a weakness you just have a class that is annoying to fight against in that circumstance
faint bridge
honestly, the only thing that would need to change is the ability to fire. give air the ability to have a wider combat zone like in BF.
I can agree a becon placed should be fixed. vehicles are a bit of an iffy thing to change thouhg
since it is used by teams in general and not just recons
polar olive
for maps it makes sense on (i.e. not like construction or something) add massive damage falloff when shooting from the safe zone beyond a certain point, like 150-200m+ beyond the end of the safe zone. Allows for base defense and avoids spawn camping while also encouraging players to be out on the map.
faint bridge
that would take a lot of coding. problem is, devs moved safe zone up alot to avoid BF spawntrapping, but now people are complaining for the opposite.
smaller safe zones, air power having a larger combat zone compared to ground... maybe would work?
but that leaves spawntrapping a larger possibility
silk cliff
I mean spawntrapping only really happens if the team is truly incompetent by all means
silk cliff
if the entire team is spawn trapped sure
Yeah thats like very rare for me at least
faint bridge
spawn trapping vehicles is a problem
having guys right outside the safe zone isn't fun to deal with either
silk cliff
spawn trapping vehicles is a problem
Yeah i can agree with this one
Kodiak has a really cheeky spot for that
But that spot in particular can be removed easily
Again, most issues boil down to the map design allowing for such occurences honestly
faint bridge
it doesn't even matter for map design
polar olive
that would take a lot of coding. problem is, devs moved safe zone up alot to avo...
I mean would it? If bullet is fired from safe zone, it has a flag that gets checked when damage calculation happens and if the hit position is in the zone where damage falloff should occur, it gets a reduction applied.
faint bridge
as long as there is a small hill, or grass, an engy can just lie in wait and waste it
faint bridge
I mean would it? If bullet is fired from safe zone, it has a flag that gets chec...
well thats a few extra checks that would have to be coded and balanced
not to mention we don't know how truly complex/spaghetti the code is for the border.
silk cliff
as long as there is a small hill, or grass, an engy can just lie in wait and was...
Grass and hills can be removed
Still ties to le map
faint bridge
yes
but then those spots are bare and uncolored
because again, players can and will spawntrap there.
doesn't matter if its cement, road, hills, flatland or anything else.
silk cliff
Less space to viably hide in still
And avoid fire
Also i think the hiding part may be somewhat solved with how grass will be changed next update
silk cliff
Vehicle rework one day
exotic tide
Maybe just make the kills in the safe zone not count? That way a team can still fight back against getting spawn locked
faint bridge
making people want to leave isn't going to help
faint bridge
wouldn't change a thing.
they would sit aprrox 1 meter out of safe zone, and move back in at best.
and fog would just mean they would use FLIR and/or have concelement
then its shit
if it doesn't block vision, no point
if its only for one side, unfair
so like I said, shit.
100 meters into a spawn zone?
disuading spawncamping?
you an idiot?
100 meters into a spawn zone might as well be the entire safezone
if its not 20 meters in, it will do jack
and at that point, why bother
50 meters out means you will get spawn camped as soon as you leave
so again, why bother
weapons in this game have this pesky thing called range
they don't have to be in your face to spawn camp you
hell they don't have to be looking into the safezone to spawncamp you
and that brings us back to, we limit safe zone, we fuck over the peopel trying to fight spawncampers or we don't and leave everyoen trying to fight someone in said safe zone be pissed off they can't flank them
what part of, you don't need to see into the safe zone to spawncamp don't you get lol
if there was a solid wall blocking vision over the entire safe zone, you could and would still get spawncamped easily.
how to know you don't have an argument: reply in memes
lol
as I said your idea is shit, will nto be implemented because its complex and solves nothing except making it unfair for people trying to leave the spawn zones.
I'm sure everyone will love not seeing anyone wating for them outside their spawn
such a great idea
silk cliff
Maybe just make the kills in the safe zone not count? That way a team can still ...
No
Fix the map layout and terrain
hushed ingot
It would be better if you made a fog wall around spawn zone, so you could only s...
it would be better if you remove the restriction and let the enemies go to HQ + destroy repair stations there and vehicles (vehicles respawn, repair station can be repaired by an engineer, or even remove repair station so engies are more useful)
just like in bf2
silk cliff
it would be better if you remove the restriction and let the enemies go to HQ + ...
No.
umbral moon
just like in bf2
Invasion currently has this for a bit in regards to the attacking team. You can see why invasion never gets voted with this in mind.
severe dragon
if the hq zones due get a magic field then nerf spawn beacons, no closer then 300m an no place able near said beacon for 100m, otherwise spawn beacons will become a trap tool
umbral moon
Relays are already loud and arguably situational at best depending on who you ask, I don’t think anyone’s going to use them for spawn traps
But yes, not in safe zones please
severe dragon
frugis, before the invasion update a squad could basically bunker the first building near ru spawn, oh wait thy still can
umbral moon
That’s… not a “spawn trap”?
Huge difference between fortifying a single building and camping one team’s spawn to the point of where getting out is difficult
severe dragon
I'm srry u don't need to put up with me or this being dragged on for days just when are we going to get some good balances
I actually miss playing
umbral moon
No you have a fair point spawn trap situations are equally as stupid, I just don’t see how relays play much of a factor into it when they usually aren’t placed that close
(And if they are they get focused usually)
severe dragon
it's a one off really, if the main force is at the front then it gets left up to the stragglers to try an dig them out
it's just on certain maps you can take advantage of spots to lock that becon there , making it extremely difficult to remove, frugis ru spawn had that one building that would j out before the metro making a solid ambush 247, before the main force realized, even then it's still a solid 20-10 min skirmish to remove, again for a small solo group or stragglers it is always frustrating, then you have points near the conquest objectives like waki under A in those rat tunnels, just spammed with buildables,
I mean could ignore it, then rinse an repeat
sharp maple