Better Class Recognition

[copper iris]

This is a problem that BBR has had for a good while now, being unable to tell which class is which for many reasons. In the upcoming update the issue will become worse, as classes will have different amounts of HP and being unable to tell which class is which will cause a lot of unneeded frustrasion and confusion.

To prevent this, I suggest the following:

• Remove the Universal set of cosmetics/armor and only have class specific sets that stand out

While it does end up removing how much you can customise your character, it also hinders class recognition greatly. Make armor and cosmetics only tied to each respective class.

Note: This does not mean removing the option to equip certain armor types from classes (ranger, light, normal, heavy, exo), just making the existing options look different from each class.

• Make the existing class specific cosmetics visually stand out more

Class cosmetics/armor should have distict and recognisable features on them, something that you can glance at and know which class it is (example, support should always have some sort of faceshield on them with bulky armor, engineer can have a hat/helmet with bright orange headphones with armor that has some tools on it and a backpack with spare rockets on it etc.). Besides that, many things in BBR are kinda muted colorwise, so making cosmetics and armor, alongside the previously mentioned distinct features in slightly more vibrant colors would also help.

[austere crater]

overall really nice suggestion but support should be able to select lighter armor sets

[copper iris]

Obviously, you shouldnt remove the option to do so (armor will still affect stats after all), but the armor should however still look distict enough, so that support is still recognisable

Same goes for other classes

[lime gull]

is not having different hp an option

Also since armor no longer affects survivability give stylised variants for every type to each class

[austere crater]

i know that's the intention but the devs could easily misinterpret that little bit
just a nitpick though take my updoot

[lime gull]

Armor not affecting hp means you can fuck it and ball on visuals

[austere crater]

ye but speed...

[copper iris]

Mags

Nades

Those are still affected

[lime gull]

Ok and tho 💀

Then again minor visual differences ig

[austere crater]

support needs to have the choice between heavy thiccy whiccy with ammo and light and reactive for maximum dakka dakka output

[lime gull]

I said that

[main cedar]

Good suggestion (Common palma W)

[lime gull]

Mf stole my idea (I'm lazy)

[austere crater]

i'm sowwy my brain's square 😭

[main cedar]

No proof

[copper iris]

Credit where credit is due

I did infact steal from sworce

[copper iris]

Gonna put out some stuff ive been thinking on how each class should roughly look like
Note: not complete and is subject to change and suggestion of others

• Assault

Head: plain helmet; helmet goggles and mask; beret
Chest: should contain magazines and maybe some sort of emblem, rank or a grenade(s)
Backpack: unsure for now

• Medic

Current medic exclusive armor is fine for the most part, just remove the universal ones
Minor changes to existing medic armor would be adding just a bit of red on stuff that doesnt have it, otherwise it is alright

• Engineer

Head: Cap and helmets with distinct orange headphones (mic included)
Chest: armors that have some sort of tools or a radio in front of it
Backpack: has either a rocket or some device attached to it; engineer could have a unique large radio backpack

• Support

Head: helmet with some sort of protective facemask on it; unique helmet could look like a riot helmet police wear; exo for the russian side should resemble the spetsnas helmet more
Chest: exo could look tad bulkier (slightly bigger/ longer shoulder pads and chest part being bulkier, maybe slap a lmg mag somewhere as well?); heavy could look like a slimmer version of exo with a large bandolier across

• Recon

Mostly the same deal as medic, just remove the universal armor sets and tweak some existing stuff

[lime gull]

Recon doesn't matter they're 4 pixels on your screen 🔥

Idk about engi headset being orange but rest seems ok

[hollow inlet]

Talk about class recognition, I wonder if community still interesting in specialization on bf4 ?

[lime gull]

What

[hollow inlet]

Field upgrade I mean, a tree of skill or something you can choose and develop by score gained by team

[austere crater]

this dc isn't as active as it used to be grrr

[south sierra]

what are those?

[lime gull]

Bf4 squad bonus

[south sierra]

Na we don't need that

[copper iris]

Agreed

We no need that

[hollow inlet]

In contrary, I think this feature will make matches establish bonding between ppl, class recognition more detail, though it'll be a balancing challenge for devs too

[lime gull]

Lulno

It's already annoying shutting down an 8man

[hollow inlet]

Beside palma sugeggestion, how about add a small class icon next to name onto each player, that will help ppl remember quickly classes armor

[lime gull]

You can't see name

And hp shows after hit so that's useless

[copper iris]

Already a thing kinda?
You can already see it on the scoreboard and the updated death screen will tell you what class the enemy is

[copper iris]

Also regarding this
Idk not sure how well would a headset stand out compared to the head gear of other classes, figured maybe making it orange would help

[austere crater]

engi already has an rpg on his back making his silhuette stand out significantly

[copper iris]

Not by a lot honestly
What if, by some chance, the engineer has a repair tool instead of an rpg?

Should stand out regardless of gadgets equipped

[pure kernel]

Cook young palma, cook!

[lime gull]

Should be fine if everyone else runs helmets

[austere crater]

i forgor 💀

[lime gull]

Dumb dumb

[austere crater]

bitch as if you ever saw an only repair kit engi

[lime gull]

I did when repairing didn't suck

[austere crater]

[copper iris]

Perhaps

[solid tide]

Lmao

Apparently I never upvoted this

Have my bump

[copper iris]

Thanks

[acoustic kestrel]

This problem only occurs with Assault and Medic, even the engineer is almost noticeable since he has an RPG on his back and rarely anyone uses the laser cutter
Now, shooters have more closed dens and Support always comes with an exo (walking without it is suicide) and a heavy ammo box on their back

[copper iris]

This problem occurs on practically all classes, ableit on some the problems aren't as noticable
Assault and medic are the worst offenders, with engie being in 3rd place

RPG isnt always noticable, because RPGs colors itself are pretty muted

As for support, you are blatantly wrong, they dont need exo

I run heavy armor regularly on support and it is significantly more viable than exo

And i need to specify this, classes should be recognisable from most angles regardless of the gadgets they run

So saying "oh but X class has Y gadget on their back" is a moot point

[lime gull]

Did I not send it here

Aaaaa

[lime gull]

[tawdry spoke]

Engy? cause tool belt?

[copper iris]

Thanks sworce

[lime gull]

Lol

Lmao even

[acoustic kestrel]

support ☝️ 🥸 I only noticed because of the belt

[lime gull]

What about this

[tawdry spoke]

I want to say assault, but some vests don't have the right class marker

[copper iris]

Only proves the point that classes do indeed need better recognition when you cant tell which class is which

May throw in one pic tmrw just to see if anyone figures it out

[lime gull]

Just bandaid fix it

[acoustic kestrel]

This time it caught me, I think it's an engineer or Assault

[lime gull]

Engi

[pure kernel]

masterfully done sworce

[dreamy monolith]

I'll put my word in.

I'm in favor of visual distinctions. I'm all for making it easier to figure out which class is in front of you.

But what really pisses me off is the tinny different amounts of HP between classes. It's just idiotic... not a shooter, but a rpg... Let's add abilities from dota to lagging classes, well screw it, the logic is the same.

[acoustic kestrel]

I'm in favor of the HP difference. For me, it doesn't make sense for you to be a support and die from 3 bullets from an MP7.
If it's to solve the TTK, making the armor more resistant wouldn't have much effect, since arms and legs will cause the same damage in all classes.
So the HP will become "efficient" in addition to being able to have a more attractive look than always following a meta.
And as the name itself says, Classes, they must follow their functions independently.
If were to have 100% freedom, would have to have only 1 caracter and not 6 (I don't know how much the leader class comes with again)

[copper iris]

Its either the HP difference or the semi realistic armor system that gives you 50/50 survivability

Anyways
Guess the class

[dreamy monolith]

I'm in favor of classes not differing in stats in any way. They were differentiated by their equipment. That's it.

Then you don't have the problem that you're used to one ttk, and there's a guy around the corner already with another. And you stop shooting before you kill him.

Speed support just needs to be the same as everyone else.

Also into this argument of taking away the stormtrooper's rpg buffs.

[austere crater]

support

[copper iris]

Wrong

[austere crater]

who is it?

[copper iris]

Guess again

[austere crater]

assault?

[copper iris]

Wrong again

Thats medic

[austere crater]

dafuq

i never saw a medic like that omg

[copper iris]

While not the most practical build, it is still possible

[austere crater]

goofy ah

[cursive plaza]

Yeah, that's ridiculous

[calm stirrup]

If you see huge bagpack it could be enginer or Support

If you see someone running or flying like cockroaches its probably assault

And if you get killed from a far and you can't see it thaf recon

If you see cross behind of the uniform u found a medic

If you found the update, well congratulation you are a time traveler

[lime gull]

[scenic garden]

Whaaat

It doesn’t affect survivabilitt any more?

[copper iris]

Armor will no longer have durability, so it wont break, same for helmets

[scenic garden]

Oh ok

So it’s just cosmetic? Confused

Or it just blocks a certain percentage of health each shot

[copper iris]

Helmets will be cosmetic, while armor will still have stat changes like move speed, mags, grenades etc.

[scenic garden]

Will they like increase health or something

[copper iris]

Armor simply will have zero impact on health

[scenic garden]

So how will it benefit

[copper iris]

I mean after all classes will have preset health values next update sooo yeah

[scenic garden]

If it doesn’t break and doesn’t influence health how does it do anything

Besides look cool

[copper iris]

I just said that armor will still affect move speed, amount of mags and grenades for example

Only helmets will become 100% cosmetic

[tawdry spoke]

loxkws to class I think?

[scenic garden]

Oh ok

So it’s just stat stuff but nothing that changes ttk

Like it is right now

[copper iris]

Correct

[scenic garden]

Huh

[copper iris]

Yeah its just those stats that are affected

[scenic garden]

Hm

[copper iris]

It wont affect ttk or anything of that kind

[scenic garden]

So just run ranger like I Usually do

[copper iris]

I assume they are going to change the stats now that durability is out of the picture

[scenic garden]

Ok

So just run the one with most mags

[copper iris]

I mean move speed will still be affected

Idfk how they gonna balance them

[copper iris]

Didnt see any particular indication of that

[tawdry spoke]

I do rmember hearing Support got higher and assault got lower

but that was second hand

[copper iris]

Ooh you mean health values

Yeah support will have the highest HP and assault the lowest

But like i said already, its not tied to armor

Its tied to classes specifically

What are the HP values? Nobody knows

[lime gull]

Surely this doesn't go through

[misty tulip]

mmmmm more hp....

[nocturne mortar]

Support meta surely isn’t coming

[nocturne mortar]

“I should be unkillable with my bad positioning! Fuck SMGs!”

Im not against support having better defensive tools, but lets be real most of these changes is because most people think exo should tank everything, then proceeds to gets shocked when they get caught out of position as a “positioning” styled class.

And this is coming from someone who uses heavy and normal armors on it mainly with the current leg/arm shot stuff (yes even with LMGs), which, in your words “is a death sentence”. Yet I along with other players can put in the work with it?

Exo currently is just a crutch for bad positioning imo, which I very well feel like extra health will lead into as well depending on implementation

[copper iris]

On one hand HP difference is sorta good in the sense that the leg/arm meta will be gone (hitting the chest is actually viable + headshots matter more), as well as make TTK more consistent as opposed to armor increasing TTK once and being weaker afterwards

But on the other it depends on the HP difference between classes and how healing will work

Also have to bring up the fact that armors themselves would have to receive some changes stat wise now that armor durability is out of the picture

(If you just removed durability and kept everything else on exo for example shit would suck by every conciveable metric)

I personally dislike exo cause I hate having to resupply every minute (no mags) and moving at a snails pace

It aint for me just saying

Point is as long as support doesnt have like 150HP and assault 50HP or some other stupid shit it should be fine

If not just make em all have 100 HP

[lime gull]

nuh uh need schizo hp changes

[copper iris]

Just to add onto this rq, support with heavy and normal works just fine
I prefer heavy for more nades, boolets and speed
It allows me to be both stationary and have enough mobility to not get bored and actually fucking push

[copper iris]

Assault 1 HP and Support can tank rockets

[lime gull]

[lime gull]

oi supports arent allowed to push

[copper iris]

How DARE a game have- furiously flips pages and reads in sheer disbelief
SUBCLASSES!?!?!??!?!

Oh the fucking horror

[lime gull]

[nocturne mortar]

Aggressive recon with BR and drones my beloved

But yeah, 100% exo armor specifically needs a rework to be more engaging and practical to use in a way that isn’t “I need training wheels to play BBR”

Exo helm is fine where it’s at in regards to tanking sniper bolts, otherwise it would be useless

[nocturne mortar]

And this is the crux of it all. If HP skews battles heavily in favor of support.. guess what one class most people are picking

[austere crater]

light support with br my beloved

[scenic garden]

Ground branch is ass

[lime gull]

[nocturne mortar]

Point proven, next suggestion

(In all seriousness, idc have a milsim mode for the tactical players, but assuming the BF crowd, most of where the 80k players came from, want a squad/hll like experience or something similar to that when they came to “relive BF3/4/1” is foolish. Same with them having to deal with people camping in the middle of nowhere but being able to tank a gunfight because fuck you I picked the right class, very foolish.)

[copper iris]

While i can see why people find the more hardcore stuff enjoyable, that doesnt mean every game needs full blown realistic features and shit

What matters is that its fun and relatively balanced in its own right

Ik people give a lot of shit to COD, especially MW3, but at least the dev team there went "fuck it", ditched realism and added the stupidest attachments imaginable that are infact fun

[lime gull]

fuck you blunderbusses your railgun

[copper iris]

nuh uh fuck you slaps a chainsaw on my M4

[tawdry spoke]

Lancer

[austere crater]

those 80k were definitely here for a bf experience not hll or squad
can't speak for hll but squad would definitely be too milsim for the average bf player "wdym follow sl orders? this is a video game not the military"

if bb was like squad movement would be significantly less impactful, bandaging would be slower, not heal and so on

[scenic garden]

relive bf4 is stupid..... its still really active

[misty tulip]

"No no, give it time.... there's always power creep"