BUFF FRAG

[sudden lintel]

I believe no one would think it's reasonable for HEAT to be used for killing infantry as well as attacking vehicles. If you think so, then you are right

Buff FRAG or remove FRAG is a simple choice, but it has been delayed for a year. Is there any substantial difficulty in adding a lethal range to FRAG?

FRAG needs a lethal radius
Thank you

[tawny pumice]

You are 100% right. I have tried to use FRAG but the lack of damage or any destruction makes it almost unusable

[clever eagle]

Frag should just do what heat does to infy but it sucks against walls/cover in terms imo. Radius probably wouldn’t matter as much if it just did noticable damage

If not outright kill then severely weaken them to the point of where they practically need to heal up to survive a 2nd shot/next gunfight

which frag was supposed to do to begin with but because of the way the current explosive damage cap works, the frag just doesn’t do that.

[silent vine]

They said that frag is getting a buff of some kind

Nothing specific tho

[clever eagle]

Ye that’s what I worry about

Radius won’t mean anything is the damage cap is still “400 in total”, just means more enemies will be tickled instead of crippled

[silent vine]

Tbh
They should remove suic4 and frag rpg damage cap

Like

Suic c4 is getting that delay for some reason and lord knows whats happebing to frag

Might as well remove the cap if you are gonna make em harder to use

[clever eagle]

That’s what I’ve been saying the whole time, explosive cap is just a bandaid solution for individual explosive balance

But yeah say everyone has 100 health, if frag RPG did 75 to everyone in that radius (or similar amount im just mentioning a number for the sake of) it would instantly be more practical to run

[silent vine]

If we want to be really evil, just keep bleed on frag rpg

[clever eagle]

doesn’t even have to be instant kill (unless direct hit maybe), just enough to be worth a damn

[magic patrol]

it deserves the delay

but ye frag needs a buff

||and the riot shield ||

[earnest osprey]

FRAG are just... literally SUCK

have less damage to walkman than HEAT and does 0 damage to walls/veichles

only used it 3~4 times and I never want to use it anymore

[hard eagle]

for accurately say, it does damage to wall and vehicles but too less

i remember it need maybe 3 or 4 to the same spot to break the wall

[earnest osprey]

then it's just means...

0

[royal gazelle]

it will plink a single brick if hit directly, or any brick it hits in a small cluster if it hits the edges of the bricks

[north bramble]

Wait, you want to buff RPG intended to farm infantry? This cannot be. Buff tandem damage instead

[clever eagle]

“Noted, we are adding indicators to tandem users and mines next update”

[clever eagle]

It’s just weird that they say explosives are buildings and other shit to decay too fast, yet a sandbag fort can survive so many RPGs from an RPG that’s supposed to do some sort of damage to them (but for some reason that same RPG type is also is better than the RPG that’s supposed to weaken infantry)

Priorities ig

Still waiting for a building tutorial for new players to be added to that priority list so we can justify a frag buff even more. Maybe one day

[silent vine]

Not to be the guy that may give bad ideas to oki but ||glint on rpg scopes||

[tranquil summit]

"we will also add indicators for incoming apc's and tanks so that you know they are coming, we believe that heavy vehicles are wayyy too OP atm "

[lime skiff]

No, Tandem is fine, it's role is a Vehicle destroyer, and vehicle player punishment for poor positioning and general awareness

[royal gazelle]

it is not fine, and I say that as an Engy main.

to fucking powerful, raw damage should not be the answer to things. tandem should do no more raw damage than HEAT, with different multipliers to mimic it piercing armor. easy enough to do, but not with the HP only system we have.

[silent vine]

You are not a real engie main

[winter basin]

"I believe no one would think it's reasonable for RPG to be used for killing infantry as well as attacking vehicles. If you think so, then you are right"

there, fixed it for ya

actual solution to your problem; remove frag and give heat same anti-infantry damage as frag has currently

easy

[north bramble]

That leaves us without dedicated anti infantry RPG and two busted AV options

[clever eagle]

“Remove frag” doesn’t do anything other than encourage turtling, something this game does not need, and it entirely ignores the problem of heat being too much of a general use launcher.

Why do you think so many people use RPG currently? Because it’s an effective way to deal with said turtling. (Also what type of player WOULDN’T try to explode fortifications/buildings with enemies near it? At the very minimum it damages those and severely hurts enemies nearby, which is what a player would expect.)

Good defenders will realize this and react accordingly so it’s not like there’s no counter play either.

[lime skiff]

The vehicles are kind of a glass cannon (APCs and Tanks specifically), instead of nerfing gadgets, Buff the vehicle weapons, and add the 40mm grenade launcher for tanks and APCs instead of the fart, add a exposed Machinegun seat to the LAV and Buff the ROF of the BTR-82

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1254659713287589929

[royal gazelle]

or nerf the broken gadgets.

[silent vine]

Tandem isnt really broken

Maybe it shouldnt one tap apcs, otherwise its fine really

But i generally agree with peruananzo, vehicles should get better offensive capabilities among other things

[royal gazelle]

it one shots literally everything, for no reason other than tank = shit ton of HP

Raw damage is fucking stupid for an FPS. and the tandem shouldn't be hitting harder than HEAT anyway, the extra weight is just a small charge to make ERA/NERA ineffective, and allow the HEAT warhead to hit the armor directly and hopefully pierce it.

if oki used multipliers based on class of whatever the fuck you are shooting, it would be far easier to balance and make the RPG's specialized.

[silent vine]

I mean tandem is already pretty specialised
It is pretty much useless against infantry, not worth using on buildings and is purely really effective against vehicles

Minor tweaks wont hurt but it is still pretty specialised

[royal gazelle]

the problem with it, is that its too good at its job. it should ideally be a HEAT warhead that bypasses armor. rather than something that does like 20k raw damage? or something like that. pretty sure it still two shots tanks.

so yes its specialized, but its also pretty damn powerful for no reason, and because its damage before multipliers is so high, everything else dies in one hit because of it.

HEAT and FRAG need to be altered alot though.

[silent vine]

While you can 2 tap tanks, its only really doable in an ideal scenario where the tank driver is an utter buffoon

Which most indeed are

[royal gazelle]

lowering a tank to 20% is the same as killing it in terms of the game. even if doing that doesn't really reward the player

one shot and the tank is out of the fight, running for its life.

and basically everything else is dead, except for APC if its hit from the side or front

[silent vine]

APCs should defo be more resilient to both heat and tandem

They are incredibly weak

[royal gazelle]

would be possible if the raw damage is turned down.

and APC isn't in the same class of vehicle as the tank

[silent vine]

Shouldnt be too hard to pull off tbh

Just make a seperate class of vehicles for apcs and do some tweaking

[royal gazelle]

yep, a "medium" class. since light and heavy already exist

[hearty wagon]

vehicle damage flashbacks

I am missing 4 essential data points in my sheet this is a good reminder

[winter basin]

yea exactly thats the point

[winter basin]

wdym with turtling? camping?

lmao

rpg promotes camping if anything

why would i want to peek when i have to worry about rpg splash damage

[winter basin]

they use rpg because they have skill issue

theres a reason why competitive shooters dont have rockets for anti infantry gameplay

[winter basin]

also why would you as the rpg enjoyer want to make plays when you can just camp and wait for someone to peek

[silent vine]

Rpg splash damage is a joke (against inf)

[silent vine]

Its boring and only time id realistically do it is if im pinned down or waiting for a vehicle I saw coming my way until i destroy it

[lilac cave]

My multi-kills on the entrance to the subways in Frugis would beg to differ.

[lime skiff]

Sometimes the best defence it's a good offense

Like I said, if you make the tanks stronger (in terms of HP), destroying them are going to be painful (it's already hard killing a good tank crewmember)

Even harder if they have another 2 good crewmembers in the Captain and MG seat

And sometimes people forgot that HE rounds exist, that fucks infantry and have good explosive range

[silent vine]

Compared to pretty much every other other RPG in other games, yeah this one has terrible splash damage

[lime skiff]

Maybe they can make differences between RU and US teams

Like the LAV-25 that have the main canon/coaxial/smoke launcher and the mounted m240 on top; and the BTR-82 only cannon and smoke grenade launcher, but the cannon has increased ROF

[silent vine]

Perhaps

Its a bit finnicky ngl

Could work but it would take a lot of fine tuning to not really mess up the balance

[clever eagle]

Just have it not insta kill then unless direct hit, maybe a delay before the rocket gets fired too. The issue with frag is that it doesn’t “cripple” people who stack 10 bodies onto themselves behind a single sandbag, and that bad positioning just gets canceled out by a gimped explosive cap system (I can’t even make players bleed and be forced to fall back.. with an rpg that’s supposed to do that.. lol?)

Where as heat at least “kills” some of then in its current state (which I agree it shouldn’t unless direct hit, what they plan to do now)

[fresh idol]

true

[hard eagle]

at least give lav and btr a real chain gun

[tranquil summit]

AP and HE rounds as well

[hard eagle]

actually this is not that necessary

cuz for now the 30mm rounds already deal much to almost everything

only not that effective against tank, but still works

just for now

the accuracy and drop is bad

this is still can be say "balanced" as it is a rapid firing AOE attack

but the endurance

7M is stronk not because it has ok accuracy, also because it can keep firing until empty all the 400 round

lav and btr can't

they only have 20 round clip and reload is slow

remain those accuracy, dmg and round drop i think is ok

but, make it a 100 round chain

and take 10s to reload when empty

better than current that you need to take about totally 24s to reload for clearing 100 rounds

[silent vine]

7m also has the most health out of all the cars for some stupid reason

Also the shooter isnt very exposed

Its not just the gun itself

[hard eagle]

yeah

[north bramble]

Bold statement. InB4 someone says vehicles are OP and it's all skill issue

[north bramble]

factually wrong. 30mm deals resonable damage only to light vehicles and body shots on infantry, assuming you are lucky enough to hit as such. Everything else is laughable

60 damage to a tank, out of 6000 hp. Literally 1%.

3-5 shots against inf if not direct hits

120 damage out of 3000hp against APC per shot

Damage to fortifications barely exists

Compare that to Squad of Bf4, and you will either laugh or cry

Maybe both