viscid otter
Oki showed a video of the current mp7 ttk and he was yapping about how fast it was, 150 ms is too fast blah blah blah, but when he showed the new ttk he did it with the m4 which is not a good comparison ( that shit does 16 dmg lmao )
I Would like a video showing the old mp7 ttk and the new mp7 ttk compared, in semi auto and full automatic would be nice so we can see the btk difference.
dapper locust
I would prefer to see detailed data on most weapons for reference.
16dmg+750rpm for 100hp is 0.56s(480ms true) ttk
not a good choice
proud sail
i want to see the performance of every weapon ngl
and the game's ea for a reason, to test this sort of stuff publically...
woeful igloo
I would prefer to see detailed data on most weapons for reference.
16dmg+750rpm ...
480
7btk is 560
still a comedic change if extended mags arent fixed
and since he touched damage instead of base hp + hes giving classes different hps even giving a class +25 is putting the m4 at that 560
viscid otter
i want to see the performance of every weapon ngl
and the game's ea for a reason...
I asked if they can show different weapon categories but they answered with a no
It would be nice to have exact details instead of ''ttk is slower now lol''
dapper locust
7btk is 560
I forgot about bullet -1, but 480ms still isn't a good choice😭
ApexBit
BattleBit Apex
proud sail
sworce W
viscid otter
Also they didn't say how much hp the classes will have
Oki shot a support guy and it took 6 btk
While the classes took the same btk
So will they have different hp value
woeful igloo
who knows
woeful igloo
So will they have different hp value
yes
he said it right after the removing armor bit
woeful igloo
if its 150 we collectively rope neck
dapper locust
I prefer an average ttk around 300ms
woeful igloo
art.
viscid otter
M4 is a carbine
viscid otter
So Ar's will have faster ttk ?
woeful igloo
y is time x is range i guess
viscid otter
ars and brs have shit ass 600ms?
No it's opposite smg will have slower ttk while dmr is the fastest
viscid otter
That's how he explained it
dapper locust
viscid otter
It's weird as fuck
dapper locust
if he doesn't change his mind
it's about whether the enjoyment from fewer deaths can compensate for fewer kills
dapper locust
far greater impact on avg skill level players than on those above avg skill level.
woeful igloo
also classes look exactly the same
cant wait to shoot a guy to find out theyre a support with 125 or whatever hp
viscid otter
Man 6 btk is way too much, 5 is the sweet spot if you want to increase ttk
dapper locust
300ms best
woeful igloo
just use extend~ oh wait they all suck
dapper locust
smg 250ms
carbin 300ms
ar 350ms
lime rock
just use extend~ oh wait they all suck
Alledgedly getting reworked next update
Idfk what larry will do to mags but hopefully they wont be garbo
woeful igloo
are we finally getting accurate mag sizes 😭
lime rock
Maybe
Ik that stats will be supposedly better
Maybe more accurate mag sizes?
At least shouldnt be massive garbo as they are now
lime rock
Ik they took interest in the mag rework thing i made
Beyond that im unsure of what they gonna do with it
woeful igloo
oki could never
lime rock
We can only hope
drifting yacht
No it's opposite smg will have slower ttk while dmr is the fastest
That is just wrong
Like just looking at the graph you can see thats wrong
Its TTK over distance
SMG has lowest ttk at shortest distance
lime rock
Glad someone pointed that out
viscid otter
Xd
lime rock
Like jiggles said
Perhaps stats arent definitive
viscid otter
Hopefully
woeful igloo
3 month delay for stats
viscid otter
If this is what the new stats will look like
Games cooked
Let's hope they are a placeholder of smtt
*smth
azure tulip
Also would be nice to see it on at least 60+ fps video instead 30fps stream with headshots only lmao
woeful igloo
nuh uh
viscid otter
Also would be nice to see it on at least 60+ fps video instead 30fps stream with...
Fr
drifting yacht
also another velocity nerf because the first one wasnt bad enough
I dont think it will be too bad
Because inertia
It wont be as hard to hit moving targets
Plus they said earlier that midrange fire would have less recoil
All of that without velocity nerfs would be hitscan
woeful igloo
All of that without velocity nerfs would be hitscan
So you see that mp7 video? That's like 400 velocity
Ars are 570
Fucking
Cinema
Also that so called inertia isn't going to stop anyone
unborn prairie
Also that so called inertia isn't going to stop anyone
thats my biggest fear, as i saw its a good nerf but oki aint one of those ninja smg players that do a 360 around u while jumping like bunnies
so we'll see once the update comes around
woeful igloo
thats my biggest fear, as i saw its a good nerf but oki aint one of those ninja ...
According to himself he is
ruby dagger
I forgot about bullet -1, but 480ms still isn't a good choice😭
New M4 is 400ms for 100hp because the damage is 16.67 and not 16
it seems the chinese have been influenced by tencent propaganda to believe the 16dmg instead of the true 16.67
woeful igloo
I doubt it's meant to be 400 if the so called floor is 400 and smgs are meant to be faster
dapper locust
New M4 is 400ms for 100hp because the damage is 16.67 and not 16
It must be because the values of the units in BAR have too many zeroes, causing the decimal point to be ignored
woeful igloo
ruby dagger
It must be because the values of the units in BAR have too many zeroes, causing ...
Are you rounding your value up also? With BTK? Cuz you cant have 5.9 BTK and have to round it to 6
woeful igloo
is this the part where we ask why oki used a fraction instead of just a normal fuckin integer value 🗿
ruby dagger
is this the part where we ask why oki used a fraction instead of just a normal f...
If oki is using 2/3 in his stuff then 
Who would ever use values like 2/3
ruby dagger
I might have to get serious and write an angry letter to termy if that is the case
woeful igloo
fuckin waste of time until we get to see all the weapons but thatll take a 3 month delay to the update
ruby dagger
Also fug you, my check my highlight vid and skip to ttk part and watch bottom left, theres the ttk on there
In the unity editor
It shows the TTK
woeful igloo
Also fug you, my check my highlight vid and skip to ttk part and watch bottom le...
nuh uh
woeful igloo
Also fug you, my check my highlight vid and skip to ttk part and watch bottom le...
timestamp
woeful igloo
ima rope if the update ever drops
woeful igloo
we have flashbangs at home
viscid otter
besides the damage change, why did he increase horizontal recoil, reload, muzzle flash??
4 s reload for a fucking m4
jesus
velocity is gonna be ass
ruby dagger
besides the damage change, why did he increase horizontal recoil, reload, muzzle...
Probably related to the scope update
viscid otter
i guess but what if I want to run 1x sights only
i am just stuck with 30% recoil increase
ruby dagger
i guess but what if I want to run 1x sights only
1x sight is also a scope
viscid otter
they are getting effected as well? i thought it was only the medium range scopes
ruby dagger
they are getting effected as well? i thought it was only the medium range scopes
They have openly said it will make mid range scopes easier to use, but i dont think they have mentioned that it wont affect all scopes
And with a sprinkle of insane speculation, 1x scopes will be ""easier"" as well as the scope system would be the same
ruby dagger
muzzle flash is still a mystery
Might be related to gun smoke
ruby dagger
still no mag rework leaks
Literal edging
ruby dagger
smoke grenade out
proud sail
Literal edging
you know them, they are masters at edging
sonic tusk
we have 127 enemy to deal with, so 400+ms is too long. About 300ms is acceptable.
a huge hp increase for any class is also so strange.
lime rock
We dont know by how much its increasing
ruby dagger
we have 127 enemy to deal with, so 400+ms is too long. About 300ms is acceptable...
You also have 126 allies fighting along side you
azure tulip
You're peeking solo not with your allies
drifting yacht
Your also not shooting all 127 enemies at the same time
azure tulip
Your also not shooting all 127 enemies at the same time
that's why i didnt say exact number of allies
you still peek and see around 5 enemies
ruby dagger
You peek and so do around 5 of your teammates
azure tulip
if you're running backwards then sure buddy
shrewd heath
Sounds like you have to play with a team more. How could they do this 
viscid otter
Sounds like you have to play with a team more. How could they do this <:PepeHand...
lime rock
Sounds like you have to play with a team more. How could they do this <:PepeHand...
How dare they put in milsim teamwork in our game
woeful igloo
shrewd heath
the team in question:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/328817840025108484...
This just in players do stupid things. No ttk changes should be made!
shrewd heath
You right, i apologize for assuming
viscid otter
lime rock
One of these was defo teammate stupidity
Other could be lack of knowledge of construction in particular (also letting you fall down there for no fucking reason lmao)
daring inlet
I doubt it's meant to be 400 if the so called floor is 400 and smgs are meant to...
Baseline not floor
woeful igloo
Waffles
azure tulip
Sounds like you have to play with a team more. How could they do this <:PepeHand...
Battlebit is not a teamwork game it is only advertised as one I hope that helps
All recent changes confirmed it
shrewd heath
Ok then 
waxen crypt
How dare they put in milsim teamwork in our game
127 players are not going to work as a team unless they are stacking. If they feel forced into it for one reason or another (see HLL in regards to soloQ, especially for newer players) they are just going to drop the game.
Vilak himself even said this in the past in regard to teamwork
Randoms are “random”, as the name implies. You don’t know if you’re going to get 7 other like minded people, or you plus 7 others wanting to do entirely different things. Combine this with the game being marketed as a casual friendly experience, + more known as “roblox battlefield” it is reasonable to assume they are just going to do what they think is fun without much more thought put into it.
Say what you want about TTK shifting one way or the other, but it’s wishful thinking to hope that any change will suddenly cause people to work together if they weren’t already planning to do their own thing.
ruby dagger
Lower TTK was done JUST to do teamwork?
Wasn't it supposed to make insta deaths like MP7 headshot and the 115ms TTK
And like, harder to multi-kill?
Less one-man armies in on the flank
waxen crypt
Oxi do not pull a Darth on me and completely miss the point. People who weren’t willing to play like a team aren’t going to suddenly do it
ruby dagger
<:Kwak:919512625459630091> Oxi do not pull a Darth on me and completely miss the...
One-man armies nerfed = Flanking not profitable as it was = Something else becomes profitable
Economics 101
waxen crypt
You are still running with the expectation that the teammate will not be dumb, and will care enough. And that they will actually enough to still “not do their own thing”
Not even exclusive to flanks, just in general
I can’t stop my guy Luke Snipewalker from trying to go for 40x sniper kills whilst blaring distorted duel of fates, if he wants to do it he’s going to do it
Or some guy roleplaying as a heli bomber using the LB to crash land into enemies
Etc
ruby dagger
Expecting coordinated teamwork from randoms isn't even in my brain
Just that they'd stay some what with the general masses
Hard to start stating what happens cuz I'm sleepy and no clue what the update gonna do
waxen crypt
I don’t care for ttk personally, I will adapt obviously (hell I prefer meme shit like sewer ratting anyways) . I am simply explaining to palma that not everyone will suddenly do that, this is just how 127 is by nature
ruby dagger
I don’t care for ttk personally, I will adapt obviously (hell I prefer meme shit...
Idunno man, To me palma seemed to be be taking the piss out of Neryo playing deep in enemy lines
waxen crypt
could be me not seeing bait im on my 2nd monster currently
waxen crypt
I need an excuse to yap anyways
ruby dagger
<:Maaaan:1158539867744116808> I need an excuse to yap anyways
Gotta get those ranks somehow 
proud sail
yap yap
fervent arrow
the team in question:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/328817840025108484...
I, for one, am looking forward to working with my team towards our common goal!
The people who put down AP mines near allies and the medics who heal people standing up will be valuable parts of the team!
viscid otter
lime rock
<a:PepeLaughing:781892178552684554> Idunno man, To me palma seemed to be be tak...
You are infact correct
For added clarification, I do not genuently expect 7 if not more randoms to cooperate for stuff like organised flanks, pushes etc.
Forcing that kind of teamwork would be stupid
However, people should be incentivised to do a bit more of what their class is supposed to do y'know
And to help with that, improve their tools
Assaults riot shield is ass
Medic box is in need of a rework
Engies repair tool as well
Support could use minor buffs in terms of their supplying capabilities
And make spotting for recon better and more diverse (allow us to ping stuff other than cars and people)
woeful igloo
Less one-man armies in on the flank
If anything they're even stronger
Like have fun punishing any good players
ruby dagger
If anything they're even stronger
One man armies nerfed cuz they make more noise before going to the next target and more time to atleast hit one bullet (-5hp)
fluid path
Assaults riot shield is ass
Medic box is in need of a rework
Engies repair tool...
Riotshield has so much potential.
I think medic box and bandages gonna need rework anyway, with the new HP Pool system instead of armor.
Spotting for recon needs to be more rewarding, and also helps more. I'm all in for it to be a class core mechanic.
daring mirage
I mean TTK adjustment + INERTIA means engagements will probably be a little more balanced in general.
It's an overall mild nerf to high ROF weapons where rapidly aiming near someone's head in the hopes that two hit and kill them.
Consistent aiming will be more important, personally I'm looking forward to it, should allow good players to get better and raise the skill ceiling, if only by a fraction
fervent arrow
Consistent aiming will be more important, personally I'm looking forward to it, ...
Raising the skill ceiling by slowing down the game 
daring mirage
Fast = skill?? Raising the skill ceiling by making achieving higher TTK more deliberate
just a little, just a teeeny tiny bit
fervent arrow
Fast = skill?? Raising the skill ceiling by making achieving higher TTK more del...
The sweats could only aim whilst moving fast
The sweats will have a harder time aiming now everyone is slower
daring mirage
having to hold the crosshair on the target for longer takes less skill???
silver furnace
thinking is less important and aiming gets more important
fervent arrow
having to hold the crosshair on the target for longer takes less skill???
We dun gotta learn to track the slow mo targets
daring mirage
This is the weirdest cope
waxen crypt
The sweats will have a harder time aiming now everyone is slower <:reallybuh:120...
If anything the health buff/slight TTK indirectly buffs support so I wonder if aggressive BRs support will have more influence in things than before
waxen crypt
God damn these sweats and their checks notes support building… and reads reddit running a br… yeah.
plucky eagle
fuck sweat
fervent arrow
This is the weirdest cope
The update is inevitable so whatever but let's not act like it's going to raise the skill ceiling because the devs and active discord members are on a mission to make the game simpleton proof.
daring mirage
I mean, zero-limit movement and point-and-click TTK is pretty low skill 
fervent arrow
I mean, zero-limit movement and point-and-click TTK is pretty low skill <:kitten...
Less than 2% of the games population uses the zero-limit movement and well over 90% of the population struggle to drop over 50 kills even with the point and click TTK.
Surely this new need for greater aiming consistency will benefit the general population, surely.
daring mirage
I mean, bad people will still be bad, but it means people running full speed/mp7 builds will need to up their game to continue to own
So yea, increase in skill ceiling
ruby dagger
thinking is less important and aiming gets more important
Why is thinking less important all of a sudden? It has never been important with Shift W meta
(except pathing, but even that just comes from experience and map knowledge than using big brains for big massive giga brain strategies)
(Even with TTK extending, pathing ain't going anywhere so thinking still isn't less)
silver furnace
longer ttk -> more time for reactions -> less need for planning
ruby dagger
longer ttk -> more time for reactions -> less need for planning
longer ttk -> more time for reactions -> more need for planning as enemy has more time to react and avoid your killing attempt thus you needing a deeper plan incase he survives
silver furnace
also longer ttk means you can peak the same angle several times without dying instantly
silver furnace
longer ttk -> more time for reactions -> more need for planning as enemy has mor...
longer aiming doesnt need thinking
ruby dagger
longer aiming doesnt need thinking
Why? I just told you an actual reason why more thinking would be required
You also have to think about your positioning more, so you aren't reacted to
silver furnace
you dont need to think about your positions more? why should that be the case?
ruby dagger
You stand in the open, they have time to react, you take more damage than necessary
Wasting your bandages
If there's more than one then it becomes even more important
silver furnace
you stand out in the open -> you die VS you stand out in the open -> you can react and escape / kill with better aim
ruby dagger
you stand out in the open -> you die VS you stand out in the open -> you can rea...
Currently you stand out in the open --> You shoot them -->They die before reacting
No planning or thinking needed there
Vs now, You stand in the open --> You shoot them --> they have time to react -->How do you ensure they don't avoid your attempt
silver furnace
if you have time to react to incomming fire figuring out which way to go becomes much easier
ruby dagger
if you have time to react to incomming fire figuring out which way to go becomes...
Exactly so you need to think about what your enemy will do with that extra reaction time
If you can't understand that then we are done here
I'd rather earn my yap XP in bb-eng than repeating the obvious
daring mirage
The mental gymnastics in this thread
silver furnace
why it needs less thinking:
-positioning when moving is less important since even when you are caught in the open you can survive and/or fight back
-movement becomes less restricted since you can move across a street or move to the other side of a door without dying while doing so
-spray bullets and nades become less important since its easier to survive them (a nade landing in your room is no longer a death sentence -> you are not forced out of position)
-since the enemy can react to incomming fire having the first shot becomes less important if your aim is superior
why it needs more thinking:
-the enemy can react to your shots which means the chances of you getting dmg back are higher (especially when attacking a group). Does that stop you from shooting at a dude when you are out of position yourself? most likely not
have i forgotten anything? idk
daring mirage
No, but your reasoning defies logic
silver furnace
why?
daring mirage
Point 1: non-issue, TTK isn't increasing that much and inertia will stop people spazzing
Point 2: movement becomes more restricted because it's harder to survive running in the open, because jinking slows you down and the TTK increase isn't enough to overlay affect it for those that can aim
Point 3: kind of? Spraying is less important because it's less effective somewhat, someone spraying Vs someone aiming should bias more towards aiming than currently. Nades still kill (Oki showed)
Point 4: nah this kind of wrong, getting the jump just isn't a near-instant kill any more
silver furnace
im talking about higher ttk in general not necessarly about ttk increase in bbr
silver furnace
let me change point 3 to fit into bbr:
nades dont change that is true but if you are getting shot by 2 dudes, you are fighting one of them medium range and a second dude starts shooting you from a distance. If you take cover from the first dude and get spray bullets from the second one you can still stay in that cover for longer since you dont die from 3 spray bullets. If ttk is short those 3 bullets might kill you so you are forced to move to a different cover which might get you killed
and even if the ttk increase in bbr isnt that much it still goes in the same direction
ruby dagger
let me change point 3 to fit into bbr:
nades dont change that is true but if you...
Why are you forced to move to different cover if they are both at a distance? (one medium range, one "at a distance")
You can sit behind the cover regardless of TTK
If they are far
ruby dagger
silver furnace
Why are you forced to move to different cover if they are both at a distance? (o...
because you are getting shot and cant just ignore the dude "close" to you?
ruby dagger
because you are getting shot and cant just ignore the dude "close" to you?
"close" you said the other is at medium distance and other is "at a distance"
silver furnace
guess it depends on the definition of medium distance
ruby dagger
guess it depends on the definition of medium distance
then say close
silver furnace
¯_(ツ)_/¯
ruby dagger
mf
silver furnace
wicked stirrup
I was thinking that, wtf is going on there
Gonna take a year to hit someone at range with these velo nerfs
I thought oki wanted to decrease the skill gap, but this just makes it harder cus you got to lead shots even more.
fervent arrow
Actually magical no one says anything about velocity
It's all fucked
Whole things fucked
Someone lobotomize me so I benefit from the upcoming changes
woeful igloo
Someone lobotomize me so I benefit from the upcoming changes
Nuh uh
azure tulip
Actually magical no one says anything about velocity
Because hive mind doesn't know why the hate certain thing
They just repeat after another
woeful igloo
lime rock
HEED MY WORDS DEVS
Sir this is a wendys
ruby dagger
Sir this is a wendys
Sir this is a #1170727258537865367
shrewd heath
Ok byeee 
fervent arrow
https://tenor.com/view/get-real-cat-skate-funny-meme-gif-18666878
IM GONNA DO IT
viscid otter
IM GONNA DO IT
fervent arrow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdmhyEqCINM
DON'T PUSH ME
This is me vaporising anyone with a tier role over 3
plucky eagle
This is me vaporising anyone with a tier role over 3
Wtf James …
fervent arrow
Im a patreon too
It's good you are showing support
unborn prairie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdmhyEqCINM
YESSSSSSS
viscid otter
?
unborn prairie
nothing i just love that song
viscid otter
k
fervent arrow
RELEASE A SIDE BY SIDE VIDEO RIGHT MEOW 
plucky eagle
RELEASE A SIDE BY SIDE VIDEO RIGHT MEOW <:punch:1155909627918168204>
Shut up cheater
fervent arrow
Shut up cheater
plucky eagle
<a:catSmash:1155946774473756732> <a:catSmash:1155946774473756732> <a:catSmash:11...
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