HK419 balance rework

[covert turret]

Normal mag can kill like 3-4 people

[brittle gate]

i understand but a large mag would still be a nice addition

[covert turret]

True

Also fix hk quick mag

Shouldnt decrease bullets

[brittle gate]

so only faster reload?

[covert turret]

Pretty much

[split furnace]

attachment rework was already confirmed no?

[covert turret]

Mhm

Or more specifically mag rework

[brittle gate]

i think also like a joke mag like in g36c for 50 bullets would be nice

[covert turret]

Nah

Bbr suffered from bad extendos far too long

[brittle gate]

but it gives like +30 recoil so pretty balanced

[covert turret]

Only good extendos from now on

No bad extendos

No more recoil on extendos

[split furnace]

for some reason, they were thinking

[covert turret]

Only movement and reload penalty

[split furnace]

more weight = worse recoil

[split furnace]

even then, most mags are not so different in weight to actually effect you running(hell most guns in the game bar like 2 are about 8 pounds fully loaded)

[covert turret]

Well gotta give it something lil extra for balance sake

[split furnace]

yeah I don't mind the moving slower, I wish the reloads were different though for each mag, it looks so bad that the way they do a "slower" relaod is that your guy is now moving in slowmo

[covert turret]

Fair

Hopefully comes with new animations

[brittle gate]

bruh ive just looked at hk quick mag and its literaly pointless

it SOMEHOW GIVES MORE RECOIL
it gives you less of your exteremly valuble bullets -6
THE ONLY BONUS FROM THAT MAG IS THAT IT GIVES NOT EVEN A SECOND FASTER RELOAD

[split furnace]

yeah sounds right

[brittle gate]

balance is the key

[split furnace]

all being reworked

[brittle gate]

when

[split furnace]

so hopefully all that will be fixed

[split furnace]

soon™. this next update apparently

[brittle gate]

no next update

[split furnace]

they have learned a bit about how guns work it seems.

[split furnace]

?

[brittle gate]

it will take them a year to release it

i have no hope for it

[covert turret]

Why make this then knowing it wont be fixed

[split furnace]

if you are that pessimistic about the game already... why make a suggestion?

[split furnace]

I still find it weird how most games have a several month cycle between major updates, but we all hate it with BBR

[brittle gate]

idk just to hear if my suggestion is acutally good and MAYBE the gun will get a rework in the future

[covert turret]

Well a rework is coming

When next patch releases

[brittle gate]

cmon balance changes like every week or two will be recieved so nicely and its not even hard to just tweak some numbers in the code

[split furnace]

you underestimate coding

[covert turret]

To be fair there is usually enough stuff to do to keep players in
And usually it isnt 6 whole months without even a hotfix

[split furnace]

also fair.

[covert turret]

He underestimates balancing

Gotta think a few things through before slapping numbers on stuff

[brittle gate]

explain? so i understand that the code looks like that

weapon: hk419

vertical recoil: x
horisontal recoil: y

why cant you change the nubers?

[covert turret]

If only okis code is that simple

[split furnace]

if all code looked that clean lol

maybe it is that easy, and they are waiting for the big update since it's all the guns.

or maybe is spaghetti code and touching one thing causes errors everywhere

[brittle gate]

ive learned some code before and and dont think recoil code is THAT bad so you need to wait 6 months to change it

[covert turret]

Its a long story for why the update wasnt released already

[split furnace]

I mean its not recoil

[covert turret]

At this point it is what it is

[tame stratus]

so you want a 34 dmg ( 3 hit ) 800 rpm gun?

[split furnace]

its a multiplier based on every attachment

on top of a base recoil

so its not just x and y

else attachements would be nothing but cosmetic

[covert turret]

Plus firerate affects how much a gun rises

[brittle gate]

dont needs to be that high but like 31 or 32 would be nice

[tame stratus]

change it to 31 or 32

[split furnace]

also true, but lets say its just one gun, still alot of stuff that needs to be taken account due to all the attachments

[brittle gate]

cus its severely underperforms other wearpons in that class

[brittle gate]

i was giving a really high bar i understand now

[tame stratus]

kk

[split furnace]

pretty sure the 419 sticks itself on the high end of average for the carbines

[covert turret]

Yeah cause even attachements have their own multipliers

[split furnace]

yep. that's my point. its not a x and y value, its a lot more than that

maybe oki even has a base value that each weapon multiplies itself off of

adding just that one more

[tame stratus]

have you guys seen the hk416 in the new update?

its a laser

[split furnace]

we no have 416

[covert turret]

Tbh every weapon is

[tame stratus]

the 419 i am sorry

[split furnace]

yes, we must avoid legal bull

[covert turret]

I swear oki disabled recoil to showcase guns

[split furnace]

honestly most weapons even now are beams.

[tame stratus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/345616096470237186/1241452504781295677/MK419.mp4?ex=6661fb3e&is=6660a9be&hm=a8f2c0e8bded1db5356bd49aaee6b6a7ea46c03e7b8d0068f6fd89f765342f67&

[split furnace]

yeah torso sized grouping

about what we got now if you like using 1x's

might be a tad tighter, hard to tell since he's moving a bit

[tame stratus]

yea high rpm guns will be very powerful

[covert turret]

I still dont like how he lowered recoil for skevo

[split furnace]

so nothing changed lol

skevo? scorpion?

[covert turret]

Yeah

[split furnace]

ah yeah

was fun with the high recoil, seems like its a tad more realistic next update?

[covert turret]

Yeah but defo not good

[split furnace]

the thing does not rise all that much in full auto

irl I mean

[covert turret]

Yeah ik

[tame stratus]

ak5c will be interesting, high dmg, slow rpm

[split furnace]

so i guess that's what oki is going for

[split furnace]

ak15 but better/worse?

[covert turret]

Thing is it has high rpm

[tame stratus]

its faster than the ak15 so better i guess

[covert turret]

And already has high ttk

[split furnace]

low?

[covert turret]

Ah mb meant low

[split furnace]

yeah, guess now its gonna be more of a gun that the "everything at once" it is now

[leaden crescent]

wow that bitch really dont move when firing

[tame stratus]

you should see scorpion xd

[leaden crescent]

I saw. I was there for it

Gunna be a ride

[tame stratus]

ye every gun is pretty much a laser now

will be interesting

[late crag]

scoop my beloved

[clear shadow]

dear author of this post, are you smoking cr@ck !?

[warped cypress]

I don't know if you remember the days when heavy and long barrels added 1-2 damage to your gun, with a lot of recoil disadvantages. And even so, it turned the hk into a disintegrator of everything, especially at short distances. This is because 32+ damage allows you to kill enemies with normal armor (125 hp) with one less hit (4 instead of 5) - this is significant, especially at 825 fire rate.

So, now hk is just m4 with higher fire rate but less accurate - which is a kind of balance.

[median ibex]

The HK419 is anything but an underperformer.
Are you using this 825rpm monster to snipe people from 200m, or are you actually using it for close-quarters environments where it shines?

[frigid pollen]

enough