Don't force shadows in the update

[cursive egret]

In the devcast there were new stuff that was presented such as:
....

• More sound stuff
  • footstep improvements
  • dynamic sound path
• glowier flashsticks on enemy and ally player
• forced shadows
  .....
  I think the most stuff are pretty good but two points really would not be a good idea.
  Oki's reasoning on forcing shadows is: to make noone in a disadvantage in who have or not have their shadows turn on.
  But then we see that and he presents that other new thing which is that players have more glowier flash sticks on their gear.
  When you put the brighter glow in the equation, it really doesn't matter if there are shadows or not, like you will see them no matter you have or not even at night you will be a glowie, glowing in the dark.

But another big problem on forcing shadows is that by turning them on for low-end, mid-end users might suffer performance losses, and what oki is saying by "...the shadows don't affect FPS at all, only PCs before the 2010 era..." is a lie, my gear is from ~2019 and I can't play night maps(shadows are forced on night mode) much because they are so performance heavy that its not really fun to play on them at all, and this change alone can make some 'low-end', mid-end users who've been playing the game since a few years ago, might leave the game for good after the update, and some might keep trying to play the game with 20-30 fps that actually feels like 15 fps(cuz the in game fps counter is a lie).

I want to keep my freedom and right to have my shadow options to be off 😔.

#fpscounterisalie

[vapid cloak]

I thino the glowier flashsticks and all are for better team recognition
Which i dont mind honestly

But forced shadows concern me a lot

[leaden skiff]

yeah they didnt seem to emit a significant amount of light when in the shadow either, just barely a glow onto the character model

[vapid cloak]

Unless the game gets heavily optimized, as in every single thing to be optimized perfectly, forcing shadows is a very bad idea

[cursive egret]

I see your point, I wouldn't mind but as a whole forcing shadows to be not seen equally in darkness, but then we add glowier glowsticks, just makes forcing shadows on just pointless redundant thing to do.

Like imagine owing money to your B friend, your B friend gives you money so you give him the money

[cursive egret]

have you played night before?

[leaden skiff]

i dont think we saw what the minimum 20% shadow looked like either oki just mentioned the slider that will exist without is seeing what it looks like/does in effect which is definitely not helping this

[leaden skiff]

yes, i was talking about the lights in the stream

[cursive egret]

cool

[leaden skiff]

i am a fervent night enjoyer

[cursive egret]

that's nice, I wish i could do that but sadly aint.

try night on old multu cuz you can do vietnam style bush warfare

[vapid cloak]

Yeah having both does nullify the other

Id keep the glowier glowsticks

Cause team recognition is still iffy and that could help it a lot

[leaden skiff]

unfortunately like many other night enjoyers we are condemned to 10,000 years lonovo

since that is the only map it is ever voted on

[cursive egret]

me too or embed a red stripe into the camo insead cuz the glowsticks can dissapear if you shoot the armor or helmet off leaving you in an effec that oki would least want which is that you "undistinguishable"

[leaden skiff]

major thing im curious about for both the shadow and the glowsticks is what that will look like on the ghillie, off the top of my head im not even remembering if the glowsticks are visible there

[cursive egret]

yeah and that's kinda sad that night is only popular on Lonovo. When night did not have forced opt on shadows, we used to play more night games it was a blast, I guess Lonovo gives that other urban vibe when you are a commando using your terrain to your advantage like on multu islands

[cursive egret]

I think that ghillie dont really have glowsticks

[hidden thunder]

The only time i had problems with fps on maps (day or night time) is only when : 256 players , using above 8x zoom with increased resolution scale , using nightvision that is basically just green filter and lastly some maps not having optimization itself (try look at wheat with zoom that shit will make your pc use from 20% to 90% real quick) and that was when i was with RX 550 lol then upgraded and never got fps drop apart from using res scale to 200 with max

But i think most people wouldn't like forced shadows because ppl here don't like shadows anyway not because of fps decrease, cuz it would affect their visibility greatly which i think that's what is all about. U can see that new players are getting shot from who knows where because they just camo with the enviroment cuz there are no shadows lol ez kill. Well i still would like to see oki showing FPS comparison on most demanding maps

[cursive egret]

true

[half kelp]

I remember few first day about a fps low poly games but really quality for my potato. Now what do it become

Oh man, hard to get 60 fps a game, now cut it off few more, how am I fighting for

[dire quiver]

I just enabled steams automatic fps counter. It’s on all my games and is usually accurate.

Gamma users are gonna thrive with forced shadows

[timber agate]

x2 i dont have a good graphics card, i play this game on full potato

[dense badge]

This is not an intensive game. The only outstanding issue is with the ram usage.

[cursive egret]

I usually dont like to have steam overlay turned on but i may try because the in game one is gaslighting me

[cursive egret]

For other forced shadows might make the game even more unplayable.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[celest beacon]

Lmao "keep my freedom"

Tbh I don't think this game needs to shoot for the CS audience of "it runs on a Russian computer from 1997". I would hope more optimizations would come, but if an option hurts the game in a fairness sort of way I think it should be tweaked for sure

It would be nice if it ran better, but I've got a powerful rig so I don't really feel any performance drops anyway.

So I can't attest to how much this would save realistically

I would think though that if you had to play this game on low with shadows off to reach a consistent framerate, you might be better off lowering your resolution at that point

I want this game to be accessible to as many people as possible, but not if it hurts the fairness of the game.

I personally hope that the visibility of the lights isn't too extreme, I still want to be able to hide

Also the shadows aren't so extreme that I need to force increase my gamma personally

[jagged cape]

You dont need to aim for potato dog shit pcs but allowing an option for disabling shadows will atleast help those who do have a potato pc and isnt a big issue to implement

[vapid cloak]

Or oki cloud just disable shadows entirely

So everyone has the advantae

[tight delta]

BattleBit was literally made for potatoes so forcing shadows would alienate that original niche

[celest beacon]

Man the original niche is like 500 of the 1k people with low specs playing I feel like

[tiny oar]

this game was supposed to be able to run on potatoes, forcing shadows on even with 512 resolution or something will cause some (og) members of the player base to no longer be able to play this game with a good framerate, especially the reasoning is just ass "high graphics users are at a disadvantage" - my ass, i play the game at every setting maxed out and apart from the occasional sweat or zerg getting me i'm at no real disadvantage, especially not with auto pinging within 20m and significantly worse glow on enemies being added

[celest beacon]

I don't feel like I'm at a disatvantage, but I just believe the low graphics experience should be as reasonably close to the high settings as possible

like, if everyone is just blocks with flat n64 vector texture like, I just don't like that lol

I don't mind shadows not being a setting that's off, I'm just saying I understand why it might be a good idea to not have the setting

[cursive egret]

keep my freedom!! booyaa!! 🦅

[cursive egret]

nah you liar

[celest beacon]

It's true

The lying part I mean

[cursive egret]

https://tenor.com/view/vylerria-jadeyahh-spits-gif-18045522347152421698

[uncut jetty]

Honestly I just don’t see the reason why they can’t just keep them off for everyone (or at least disabled by default) with this in mind. The game is supposed to run on a potato, now oki’s telling me that potato has to be baked, seasoned with salt and pepper, and loaded with cheese, bacon and sour cream.

(Food posting aside, it just seems odd that he doesn’t want to change default settings and instead opts for removing choice in settings. Im sure most would prefer the former, just like how motion blur is disabled by default.)

[cursive egret]

Tbf motion blur should be forced

[vapid cloak]

No.

[cursive egret]

Xd

I can see that in the far future even that gonna be forced

[tight delta]

Lol

But really forcing lower end players to use dynamic shadows will give them an even larger disadvantage, just in the form of an fps drop

If the shadows aren't super well optimized, this will make this non-issue of dynamic shadows an actual concern for low spec players

[celest beacon]

TBH motion blur isn't bad

it's CAMERA motion blur that's bad

object motion blur is fantastic

it's what gives doom eternal's animations that smoothness

[alpine lantern]

fps should be locked on 30 because the human eye can only process 30 - 60 fps 💯

[earnest moss]

🔥

[little carbon]

I think that if low quality shadows that would be introduced with this change is the thing that separates absolutely playable game from an unplayable one performance wise you're either too high on copium or have much more issues with your system than that

[tiny oar]

not everyone owns a good pc (shadows are generally expensive) and this change is effectively a fuck you to some really long time players and to 2 of the dev's own pasts, this game would not exist in the way it does if it wasn't for oki's and vil's shitty hardware a few years ago...

[timber agate]

If I activate the shadows the game runs at 20 fps, if in the update they force the player to activate the shadows I will abandon the game or look for a way to turn them off.

[floral flare]

The games already got harder to run since launc

Dont make it even harder

[celest beacon]

The game recommends a GTX 600, which is a 10 year old card. So IMO if it runs well on that it should be good. As long as the devs are making sure it's hitting 60fps on that I think changes like these will be ok. They probably aren't tho lol

[upper shale]

The toaster culling, less gooooo

[alpine lantern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq5fcbdjO80

when he gets into firefights it lags like hell

even with recommended specs you need to put on potato settings with screen scale to 80

this was 11 months ago

imagine now xd

oki said hardware from 2014-2015-2016 will be effected the most,
witch is literally steam's recommended specs

[uncut jetty]

So basically rip people trying to play this on budget gaming laptops, which is probably a decent chunk of people funnily enough.

unless oki reconsiders but I doubt it

[vapid cloak]

There goes half of the playerbase then lmao

[upper shale]

Anyone that believes minimum system requirements in 2024 is stuupid

[alpine lantern]

recommended not minimum lol

[upper shale]

Anyone that believes recommended system requirements in 2024 is stuupid

[celest beacon]

I don't think anyone who believes that is stupid, I think game devs should make sure that's accurate

[austere mountain]

10 year old plus systems not accurate anymore?

[mild widget]

Agreed

Does night-time affect shadows or help increase some visibility?

I feel that having night-time wit shadows ruins more since there is already darkness and it only helps people hide like rats more

[celest beacon]

Tbh night time should have some sort of effect that darkens your vision that isn't affected by brightening the screen

That way everyone is equally blind

[cursive egret]

Its just creates shadows, some shadows might hide pretty well for the naked eye or nvgs.
Other then that, its not really the best iteration of making night mode darker

[amber rapids]

First photo is low settings, second is ultra settings

[austere mountain]

so blurred and crisp. seems pretty standard

[leaden skiff]

seems to be only showing shadows in like..50? meter radius and visibly lower quality so doesnt look to bad for performance worries

[alpine lantern]

ye its the same currently

[amber rapids]

It shouldnt be too much of a difference.

[upper shale]

HOw about the performance difference

How badly will this update brick the laptop peasants

[austere mountain]

you would have to be using a pre-2014 laptop for it to matter.

[cursive egret]

Trust me it will matter i use one that is from around ~2019 and it matter even pre update 😉

[austere mountain]

sounds like a you problem, and not a graphics problem. probably a processor with a low clock speed. low shadows ain't gonna be doing shit, it would be particles that mess up your crappy laptop.

[cursive egret]

I tried shadows and first if there's tweaking it can be endurable for me but I don't know how other players gonna be doing with that.
the second is that shadows are not even really dark, I can see in buildings easily and see people hiding in the darkest pits of a map.

I asked Oki about performance of the update as a whole and he said it will a bit, I dont know the exact quantisized data about it so we don't know how much exactly gonna reduce performance.
But still right now turning on shadows on lowest levels makes the game run on a sub 20-30 fps levels, but I think that after the update it will be worse even if Oki spends the time on even going about to optimize shadow somehow.

[vapid cloak]

Oki would need to really optimize not just shadows but the entire game itself for it to be on current no shadow level fps

[celest beacon]

I'm so curious what some of y'all are running this game on lol

Someone should do a hardware survey or something

Because if the recommended requirements are that 10 year old card, I'd love to know how dogwater it's running on that card. Like are some of y'all running this on Lenovos or something? I think that'd really help out this discussion.

Like this shit is old af, so getting a general hardware survey would be a wonderful thing to know what the primary demographic for this game is running on it (I imagine soviet era tech)

[tiny oar]

some people are running this game on a shitty laptop and going "haha just upgrade" is restarted, especially when the reason is so stupid
i'm not at a disadvantage for running high graphic settings ffs
oki is literally betraying a core part of his playerbase (part 2 electric boogaloo, milsim's ded) and funnily enough his and vilaskis's past self
they game wouldn't exist if it wasn't for both of their shitty hardware back then

[austere mountain]

the hardware at the minimum is so fucking outdated as is. this is beyond just "shity laptop" and into "this is a shitty laptop that had average specs 10 years ago"

[tiny oar]

but these are the people oki promised a working game to, sorry but your point is utterly stupid
just cause oki thinks high setting players are at a disadvantage doesn't mean they are, especially not with auto pinging and glowsticks now

i also like the devs but defending every single hill they put themselves on is not the right move

i can already see the threads and complaints about performance being fucked and the devs doing nothing about it...
squad devs did nearly the same dumbassery

[austere mountain]

sorry man , low end computers is does not mean 10 year old mid grade specs.

[tiny oar]

yes it did for bbr

[jagged cape]

If you are for forcing shadows you must be a little brain deficient

[tiny oar]

some may say restarted, this is just such a dumb decision and seeing people agreeing with it explains a lot about modern gaming lmao

[austere mountain]

maybe when it first release and 10 years ago was more like 3. a fucking tablet from 2016 could run more intensive games than BBR with shadows. so no, your low end computer compatibility does not have to be worse than cheap average spec computers from pre-2014.

[vapid cloak]

Frankly i am running this on a lenovo i bought 5 years ago

Based on the pic of the minimum requirements only thing it doesnt meet is the processor

[little carbon]

I personally don't care for either forced shadows or not, but on the orther hand if you think you're in a disadvatage - just turn them off yourself. Though instead of just yapping about it not being able to run on a vegetable from 10 years ago I'd rather see how it turns out on release with all the changes oki made such as moving shadows to the GPU, and if the performance turns out to be shit for potatoes it's not like it would be hard to backpedal on this change fairly quickly

[quick bridge]

Ppl already running on low-rez will be forced out of the game.

[little carbon]

I've had plenty of experience with potato setups and shadows being off and shadows being a lowres blob that only renders like 50 meters in front of you is never a deal breaker, maybe like 5-10% max at the worst. Though again if you already run the game in low res I doubt you get over 100 fps min to have an overhead to spare before you dip below 60. And again as far as I'm aware this game is more CPU demanding because of the sheer amount of people on the map, in which case lowering resolution achieves next to nothing

I'd actually be more concerned with the new sound pathing which presumably is done on the cpu, but I have no idea if there would be any impact from it

[cursive egret]

keep in mind that the update as a whole but without the forced shadows will reduce performance, we don't know by how much, but it will reduce even further.
So what might turn out of the update is having even lower FPS even if Oki reworks the shadow quality menu + lower fps due to shadows being forced opt on.

[little carbon]

Yep that is true, which is why I'd say shadows is not the biggest problem here, it seems there's a bunch of stuff that will be thrown onto the CPU as well which is already the bottleneck from my limited understanding and probably the reason oki moved shadows onto the GPU. We'll have to see how it turns out and hope that if anything oki actually listens and reverts changes / optimizes them further if it becomes a real issue

[cursive egret]

shadows are problem still, because if you feel disadvantagous then turn them off, but even going into that realm that shadows gives disadvantage who use them is a lie, you can still see people in the shadows and or look in dark room from the sun lit outside and spot people.

But if Oki gonna respond to that as turning shadows more darker then he will create a pretty funny complex problem that he would need to contribute more with vilaskis because then camping and ratting in darker shadows would become a more of an issue that was before.
Where he would need to make shadows actual shadows where you blend in in the price of increasing camping, or keeping them just a nothing mild thing that reduces fps for lowend-midend users for somewhat nothing.

but hey imagine a similar problem where instead of oki forcing shadows on and glowier glow sticks, he forces people on a specific screenscale or resolution:
Oki forces players to use screenscale only above 90 because its a disadvantage for players because everything is much more blurier, but then he also forces players to use resolution below 1620x1080 resolution because the game runs more faster.
Its like you try to fix a problem but you unfix it because you thought the two stuff play together.

In the end shadows are like overpriced bread marketed as the saviour of the world, while it tastes like sawdust, you get nothing out of it while you pay for it pretty badly.

[little carbon]

Yeah I played with both on and off interchangeably and while I do like the look of the game with shadows I stuck with no shadows mostly because of the grass/bush goblins and some areas where shadows are a little too much of an advantage which is quite rare but still, I completely understand the "just turn them off yourself" point, because like if you think the only thing that's holding you back are shadows it's really not

If shadows were forced from the beginning it would be a different story but making this choice now is kinda weird, I didn't really hear anyone complain about shadows anyways

[cursive egret]

true

[old cedar]

imho Oki should remove shadows from the game. Who needs shadows in BBR anyway, who would be harmed by their absence? but everyone will have the same picture without shadows and a ton of fps.

[cursive egret]

We also never saw people or heard them complaining about shadows, we were joking long ago that Oki lost his mind to the point of he is imagining the "people" who tell him random stuff like "we heavily request the ability to switch weapons while aiming feature" and so on.
He had this tendency where the game would receive the most random feaure and say "this was asked by a lot of people" while nobody saw a criticism why its not in the game, while also on suggestions the most voted and accepted suggestions are getting ignored.

[old cedar]

Yes, exactly, it’s so random..... who would even think about the ability to switch weapons while aiming ???

[old cedar]

it would be nice if Oki&Co showed us threads from discord about “highly demanded features”

[little carbon]

I mean has anyone been trolled by not being able to switch weapons while ads?

And yeah it would be neat to be shown a thread where "lots of people asked" for features that are claimed to be heavily requested

[cursive egret]

might as well make a suggestion on asking to create such channel lmao

[tiny oar]

won't look as good and as stated before, it does not impeed gameplay as oki claims and even if it were to impact me i woud just turn them off like wtf

[slender tusk]

rip 144 hz monitor, you will now display 60 if we lucky

[celest beacon]

There's a difference between low end and actual potato. I personally have never seen any promises that this game will run on literally anything. As long as it runs decently on minimum specs I believe that's completely fair tbh, so my question, is does it? That's really the question here

[hoary stirrup]

what's the point of low poly if it doesn't run on everything*

[celest beacon]

I agree somewhat, I'm just saying the minimum specs should be the standard held to, because computers can always get worse lol. If it can hit 60fps on a damn 450 I think that's reasonably honestly

That shit is like 10+ years old man

Like I do NOT think it's unreasonable to call a 450 a potato in this day and age lol

And just because a game is low poly doesn't mean there isn't some back end magic going on

The 450 is a 2010 release card. Like that's pretty fucking old man. I think that's a reasonable target. The real question is, is the game HITTING that target

Issue is, it isn't lol

At least I assume so

[tiny oar]

they always said this game is supposed to run on a potato on the devcasts...

[celest beacon]

A 450 is a potato

You can probably run CS on it still and some real old games, and that's about it

Like people are selling this for $20 man

The $300 is clearly a scam imo

If I'm off base feel free to tell me

[hidden thunder]

isn't GTS 450 comparable to GT 730 expect being much older and obviously without driver support for like long time maybe with custom drivers it can push a bit more performance

[celest beacon]

I have no idea tbh

I was in middle school when it came out lmao

[hidden thunder]

And from playing with RX 550 (Which is worse or better than GT 1030) seems like GT 730 would be actual minimum req because i already felt that it cannot run battlebit with 256 players and when scoping in with better spec than GTS 450 (which is GT 730 or GT 730+ idk)

[jagged cape]

The main thing for most people is that just because it can run doesnt mean the performance has to suck, if a lot of people could run the update with 200 fps there wouldnt be a problem, but for a lot of people the 10-15 fps people save makes the difference between looking playable and a slide show

[vapid cloak]

Personally my problem with bbr is just how inconsistent fps can get

Sometimes it drops for no real reason

Meanwhile in something like bf1 or bf4 the framerate is a lot more consistent no matter what is in front of my screen

[hidden thunder]

it's either some models/part of the map are unoptimized mess (why this hasn't been adressed yet idk?) like tensatown wheat fields if u zoom in with 6-8x or worse 20x scope that will make your FPS go from 160 to 80 and with 20X to 40 FPS so if ur just above 60 FPS and u look at wheat direction well rip bozo ur FPS (most likely district grass (OR any type of dense grass) is affecting FPS as well but not as much

[earnest moss]

Me watching my dps drop to sub 60 with a 5600 3060ti

[hidden thunder]

And some gun models were also affecting fps by 1-3 idk which ones and prob doesn't matter anyway since most of them has been reworked/tweaked (and they look much better now) so if u combine all of smalls things that reduce fps then u get that inconsistent FPS ofc after new update idk what FPS will be like going to need a proper performance test

[floral flare]

my 2018 laptop on 720p! is barely able to run the game as is and probably not at all anymore after the update.

that thing cost 700€, so I can understand peoples frustrations with the game becoming harder to run (even when i have since upgraded)

[austere mountain]

man a surface book from 2016 could run squad on high graphics at 60 frames with minimal to no drops till there were alot of particles at once. I don't know what computer you bought, but I think you paid too much for it. There's not much lower than an I5, 8gb ram, and a 965 2gb gpu. thing cost 300 dollars after taxes.

[tiny oar]

why are you ok with sacrificing performance for no good reason lol?

[austere mountain]

why you think having shit equipment from 10-15 years ago needs to be covered? and hell it is. I had that tablet masquerading as a laptop, and it was working just fine on the highest settings until particles started beating the shit out of the GPU. a 2016 tablet that was 300 dollars after taxes brand new ran this game just fine till I upgraded.

[floral flare]

i5-7200u + 940mx with 8gb ram

[tiny oar]

because this game was originally supposed to cater to low spec people and telling people to "just upgrade" is fucking dumb, it's seriously difficult not to use slurs with such stupid and ignorant takes omg

[floral flare]

its a roblox shooter, it shouldnt be more difficult to run than minecraft

[tiny oar]

also blatantly ignoring performance really tells about your knowledge about games as a whole

indie games have this wonderful characteristic of not needing to sacrifice everything for fast money, that sacrifice often being performance
but just not giving a shit about performance (one of the most important aspects to bbr) for the sake of "eliminating an unfair advantage" is just baffling

[austere mountain]

I stand corrected. intel HD 520 was the graphics card.

[austere mountain]

my man, sorry you have such shit hardware that low quality shadows will mess with your performance.

especially sinc the range is limited.

[tiny oar]

you genuine troglodyte i run the game at the highest graphics

[floral flare]

thats way worse than what i have, idk what you are doing

[tiny oar]

and that's why i'm so pissed, i know that a lot of players need this game to perform good and taking away one of the settings under the false pretences of "eliminating an unfair advantage" is bad

this change fucks a big part of the playerbase

does not improve gameplay for the rest

and messes up performance

[austere mountain]

nothing man. had it set to highest settings, and really only particles had short stutters occasionally when near the furball.

[floral flare]

furball in bbr?

[austere mountain]

the average mass of players cycling around the map

where the majority are.

[floral flare]

60fps on 1080p?

[tiny oar]

this decision is just counter productive to oki's goals and you defending it like shadows make up your life essence is just wow

[austere mountain]

55-60 with only occasional stutters. several min between at worst.

[floral flare]

yeah no way man

on an hd 520?

nah

[austere mountain]

I mean... that what I had and what I got. have the FPS displayed all the time just so I can see it.

don't know what else to tell you.

[floral flare]

you probably didnt play on 1080p then

[austere mountain]

3k by 2k.

operating at 1080p.

[floral flare]

hm

[vapid cloak]

Cause not everyone has enough funds to get a better rig?

[floral flare]

hm

welp i stand corrected

seems my laptop is just way underpeforming

[vapid cloak]

Frankly i dont see how removing shadows altogether is a bad thing

Its not like shadows make bbr prettier

[midnight orbit]

imo disabling shadows == seeing more == advantage for anybody aware
if devs want to have those shadows forcing on some minimum range seems like a right balancing move, but its a tricky one because of framerates and render distance (which should have some low-cap due to balance reasons)

[jagged cape]

people when the roblox shooter doesnt have raytracing shadows

[jagged cape]

make disabling it an option so if you care about competetive edge you can get that option without locking everyone to the same disadvantage

[midnight orbit]

idk making that server sided seems kinda silly. never got any tryhard servers up to now (if we dont count those scoreboards on some custom ones) and it doesnt fit to this update due to absence of other "tryhard" changes

add competitive lmao
but force shadows till you do that

(please dont add competitive)

[tiny oar]

i run high graphics and don't have any problem, if i had i would just turn shadows off
fucking big parts of the playerbase just isn't reasonable

[midnight orbit]

i did disabled shadows myself due to bad visibility of dark camo guys despite having a decent pc. literally free advantage

its not even about tryharding
its about bad client-side balancing

[tiny oar]

sure there's your solution, clowning on less wealthy people by telling them to just upgrade is utterly brain rotted

[midnight orbit]

theres also an option to force no shadows for all but its just killing a bunch of work of devs making those shadows up

nevertheless, grass do have similar performance influence and also causing different sights for players. maybe just remove them and leave those blank walls alone?

also recolor them to white and guys to red and blue

better visibility tho and will work on any pc

damm game isnt supposed to work on any machine imaginable
its not devs problem to adjust for global poorness and making their game available for literally anyone

it is supposed to provide a well balanced fps gameplay that one could enjoy without considering those niche features of making your gameplay better than anyone elses via client side specific settings

[jagged cape]

just make it an option the issue is gone

[midnight orbit]

tbh dont even believe that this topic will be somehow considered by devs at all

[austere mountain]

it won't.

because the low end is already very outdated.

[midnight orbit]

like when was the last update that contained some changes from suggestions

[jagged cape]

forcing any sort of graphic option instead of having a setting is bad for the player base

[austere mountain]

like last update. mostly for temp fixes

[midnight orbit]

bugs?

yep cool

[austere mountain]

tell that to literally any game ever

[austere mountain]

also how game modes worked, weapon classes and so on

[midnight orbit]

thanks for fixing them i guess
but still lots of qol/other cool stuff just dies in there

[midnight orbit]

maybe im not that good awared
but changelogs or devblogs didnt refer on suggestion topics in any way if im not mistaken

[jagged cape]

agreeing with the forcing of shadows is either bait or a brain dead take

[midnight orbit]

could be wrong tho but i have a strong feeling that suggestion tab is kinda dead

[austere mountain]

they don't refer no, but most of the time its obvious if you are in the thread.

[midnight orbit]

for defs

[midnight orbit]

k idk then
maybe it is and then im glad i could be wrong

[austere mountain]

yeah, they never mention it. you would have to be lucky and see the thread to be able to tell.

[vapid cloak]

Whats the point of shadows in a game with roblox graphics?

Like seriously can someone tell me why just disabling shadows for everyone is such a big deal

Is there any downside to it

More people can play the game and nobody has the advantage

[hoary stirrup]

the games supposed to be casual but its also too much of an advantage in a casual game so we cant have people turning off shadows to see TruckerTom22 hiding in a corner better

because if they die then they're not having fun because they're the casual because you killed them

[vapid cloak]

So let it be disabled for everyone, so that everyone has the advantage

[hoary stirrup]

but the immersion in block game that people care about

we've got rounded guns now immersion levels have never been higher

[vapid cloak]

Muh immerson in roblox

[hoary stirrup]

new players complain about visability so lets make it even worse

[vapid cloak]

Besides that, people have and will always lower settings and enable some accessibility settings to gain an upper hand in one way or the other

[hoary stirrup]

the game already runs like shit too

unless you have a 7800x3d you're at like 120 fps max on min settings

[earnest moss]

dont tell em

[hoary stirrup]

wow low poly game that runs the exact same as squad

better make it a squad clone

[little carbon]

Apparently we're playing different games

[earnest moss]

yes i am playing the game instead of being a backline bitch and usually drop sub 80

[hoary stirrup]

i had an 11900k, 3090 & 4400mhz ram and got 120 fps at 1080p

fresh reformat etc

7800x3d ~300-400 but still not great

[little carbon]

I'm not even running full min settings on 12400f and 3060 and never really had fps below 160 at 1080p 120 screen scale 💀

Could it be you're running some funny MSAA if that's even an option

[hoary stirrup]

frontline condensed playercount way lower fps maybe

[little carbon]

Okay I can see it tanking in this scenario but that's to be expected kinda, not saying it can't be optimized though

[hoary stirrup]

random video from november when i still had that pc

[little carbon]

Could be some weird hardware stuff but I honestly can't remember it being so low in a similiar scenario ever

[floral flare]

hmmm

im getting ~170 1440p on min settings with 6800xt and i5-13600k on frontline

your pc must have had some issue

[hoary stirrup]

still not good for low poly game

[floral flare]

defo

the lauded optimisation is not there

[cursive egret]

Even in a roblox game you can disable shadows

[celest beacon]

Bruh it's roblox

You're comparing diamonds to nuclear waste bro

Roblox is literally perfection incarnate

Have you heard oof? Cheezburger?