Map Reworks not replacing the "old" map

[crude grove]

So far, the reworked maps we've gotten have been too different, gameplay-wise but sometimes also aesthetically, for it to really make sense that they replace their "old" versions. They should just be added into the map selection alongside them. Better map variety and more freedom of choice for players.

[narrow cobalt]

I would absolutely adore if you could add the Old Basra back into the map rotation. Is anyone daring enough to discord ping the blue man?

[crude grove]

Oh and please apply this retroactively. In other words, bring back the old version of the maps that have already gotten a rework

[sleek hollow]

low rated map says otherwise lol

[old silo]

Even if it was low rated it couldnt possibly be worse than the new one

[sleek hollow]

higher rated map says otherwise

[green turret]

new basra is just straight up worse..

[zinc lava]

Have two maps with same ship,weather,lighting will only confuse players and old version by data was perform worse from gameplay wise.

We must need to go forward and sort out maps to provide the best possible experience to user.

Some players have personal feeling to some maps, and cannot accept new version, because of nostalgia or ability to abuse some places to get big amount of kills and they cannot re-learn how to play on this map again.

You can have a game with 60 maps and clones/versions of those maps, but if only 20% of those maps will play well good, the user will get mostly negative experience.

Its much better to have less but more meaningful content, rather than copy-paste content.

Old Basra may get remaster, but instead of old wreck ship you will take a fight on wrecked Air Carrier , and instead of Sunny Weather , it will be stormy and have limited visibility to avoid tanks/snipers long range camping from cliffs.

If you have issues on reworked versions of map, just share it to #1019642813576646767 and provide your point of view, so we can improve this part of map.

[crude grove]

you say "best possible experience for the user", but immediately try to dismiss the opinions of those users. you say "move forward" but reject inputs about which direction is "forward"

people dont want old basra back just because of nostalgia or abusable spots. we want it back because we simply enjoyed playing it more than we do new basra

[zinc lava]

yes, fight on one single ship from whole big maps was very fun indeed...

[crude grove]

plenty of people think so!

in fact, "the ship" is one of the things i see mentioned most often when people say they miss old basra and why

[zinc lava]

ship stil l exist at same spot

[orchid sluice]

The thing is, we arent really upset over the visual overhaul but you fundamentally changed the gameplay loop of basara when you remastered it, same with district. We simply suggest not reworking a map to the point that the core gameplay cycle of the map is altered

[zinc lava]

just kills by tanks and snipers now reduced twice

[zinc lava]

in order to reach another main land - you have to cross ship. nothing changed in core ?

[crude grove]

huh? the entire geography is different, and that results in fundamentally different gameplay

[zinc lava]

yes, now you can play anywhere, not just one single boring ship

[crude grove]

i can also get sniped from anywhere

[zinc lava]

its take time to re-learn new ways to avoid snipers

[crude grove]

and old basra had plenty of ways to avoid snipers

[orchid sluice]

The gameplay cycle of old basara was funneling players into a choke point to battle it out inside an area with large cover but still allowing for fighting above the main chock allowing for players to break the stalemate that occurs on the ground level

[zinc lava]

only one - be inside ship where are you was a part of meatgrinder

[zinc lava]

it what majority complain on.
Just chokepoint and no ability to play game differently.
Map was feels to boring for them.

[orchid sluice]

Thats fair criticism but I still feel like there was a way to change the map to accommodate for people circumnavigating the chockepoint without diluting chokepoint

But thats simply my opinion

[crude grove]

the bunker tunnels, the various dips and hills on both teams' side of the map. the valley at D broke cross-map sniper sightlines

[zinc lava]

yes, i was examined many variants , but the current one was most optimal and interesting one

[crude grove]

there were plenty of matches that i spent almost the entire match at D, not really having to worry about cross-map snipers

the ship was definitely not the only place to avoid snipers

[lilac crystal]

guess i need to learn how to avoid snipers in a flat area

[zinc lava]

idk, never have issues with snipers and tanks on new Basra even without smokes

[lilac crystal]

all ways through the ship are 100% flat with no cover

[sleek hollow]

I have yet to die to a sniper in that "flat area with no cover" unless I challenge a sniper, because I move through the cover that is definetly there

[crude grove]

aye. and the way i see it, new basra is more than different enough from old basra to not be considered a clone of any sort. having both basras in the map selection wouldnt cause any repetitive content.

and if my experience is at all representative, the fact that new basra barely gets voted for at all while old basra got voted for frequently, the players have already spoken for themselves

im not sure what he means by increased map pool, since basra rework was the most recent update for the game

[zinc lava]

there is snap of death by sniper for two weeks before and after rework of Basra.

Pure red = where are players die from sniper the most of time. And in huge density of death.

You can see that on Old Basra the ship was so bloody from snipers kills, due you cannot expalin to new players that in front of them at hill , there is 25+ snipers who constantly peaking any part of your body.

• tanks who can kill you even when you are in cover by explosion radios.

While on new one the most dense kills from snipers is open field at edge of radio tower (Still havent figured out what players doing sometime here).
The Beacon and Radio Tower is most bloody due its now a place where are Snipers from Beacon doing longshots to snipers at Military Base.

You are probably was standing on top of cover at flat area and get shot by sniper, otherwise im cannot exaplain why you do have troubles with snipers around ship at new Basra

[crude grove]

i cant imagine that data is apples to apples. new basra update was the same update that heavily nerfed sniping, so you dont even have data for the post-sniper nerf for old basra

[old silo]

True

[zinc lava]

its same. Sniper neft didn't impact on Sniper performance on maps that was not changed, like on Valley

due snipers always play in group

and shoot sometime same target in same time

[old silo]

Also wouldnt have part of the problem been solved if you just rotated the ship

On the old basra i mean

[zinc lava]

rotate ship on old Basra was not a option due it will increase a empty field distance as well as height of ship was not enought to cover 60% of this distance from snipers on hill.

[old silo]

Would have still created some cover

[crude grove]

so the sniper nerf was ineffective?? certainly doesnt feel ineffective regardless of map

[zinc lava]

USA would still have advantage over RUS team

[old silo]

Couldnt you just fill out the empty space then?

[crude grove]

i feel like foliage cover would do the trick there

[sleek hollow]

its not like it changes anything, because the snipers that kill you are usually within 200-400 meters and move constantly. people who know how to harass move often enough that the "nerf" doesn't effect them

[old silo]

Anything really

[orchid sluice]

Maybe the issue wasnt the chokepoint itself but the high abundance of sniper spots

[zinc lava]

because we still have many snipers, most of them are sitting on same spot together and shot same target in same time.
Mean its insta-death for player, just someone who seen a death of this player behind, now can understand a direction of sniper fire by trail

[zinc lava]

remove Bunker and Hill = here is new flat Basra

[crude grove]

surely theres something between "bunker and hill" and "nothing"

[sleek hollow]

people in this game have problems with hills 20 meters high

[crude grove]

and tbh, "new basra vs old basra" is not the point of this suggestion thread. the point is that so far, the reworked maps tend to have significant differences and are NOT clones of each other, so keeping BOTH versions of the reworked maps wouldnt cause repetitive gameplay

[zinc lava]

its called Rework, not Remaster - im agree

[crude grove]

then why is it only one or the other?

[orchid sluice]

Quick question but were the reworked maps playtested before release?

[zinc lava]

in next update - we will have that

we will have both maps on playlist, and then old map become avaialble on community servers only if there is free reserved slot in memory

Players will able to taste new map in parallel with old version on next update during short periods.

[proper ledge]

GOD, yes!
Old Basra was one of the best maps in the game, right up there with Old/District and River.

[proper ledge]

Waki is one of the most played maps, despite being one of the absolute most reviled by the playerbase.

I swear, for every player there's a demented 9yo who escaped his Fortnite containment matches and just picks the thing that will annoy people most.

[lilac crystal]

how can one speak so much nonsense in one sentence

[lilac crystal]

not sure if I should trust that data. There are several spots without any red that are always sniper infested when I play that map

and is that only sniper deaths or also dmr deaths?

[old silo]

This shit is pure blasphemy

[narrow cobalt]

Old Basra may get remaster, but instead of old wreck ship you will take a fight on wrecked Air Carrier , and instead of Sunny Weather , it will be stormy and have limited visibility to avoid tanks/snipers long range camping from cliffs

Why are you so completely against snipers and tanks? This is exactly what I mean when I say I think the real anti sniper changes in the game are from you and not Oki. The sniper duels on Basra from the A observatory to the E lighthouse were some of the best in the game. Camping tanks is due to the pevelance of C4 (on medic) and the safezone being abused. Nu-Basra has none of that. None of the elevation and no use of the sniper islands. It's just a gimped map and experience. Expecially for flying the Blackhawk.

And tanks still camp in the safezone and snipe helicopter all game on Nu-Basra. Ultimately nothing has changed in that regard

[narrow cobalt]

There is no objective on it so it's pretty much useless in Conquet and pulls players away from the outlying objectives. If half your team is on the center ship then you're definitely bleeding tickets from holding only a few objectives.

Let me say this. If you have a problem with "Snipers" in the game, then you have an even bigger problem with helicopters not doing their job. As a Blackhawk pilot I would always hunt down the outlying snipers and lone tanks from above. They have nowhere to hide.

Most can't even fumction beyond a 1 way taxi. Increasing the lethality of the minguns is the ultimate counter to snipers rather nan demolishing a whole map based of data and an antagonism towards snipers.

[sleek hollow]

Slaz really has no idea how the game works does he?

[old silo]

Slaz doesnt even play the game christ

[orchid sluice]

either you have no idea how the game works or you are inherently biased because you main recon

[old silo]

Is this what being a terminal recon player is like

[narrow cobalt]

I know exactly how the game works having over 1000 hours and being 10th prestige. Contribute to the thread, defend your point, or don't post at all.

[orchid sluice]

your inherent recon bias provides nothing of contribution to this thread, either discard your bias or leave this thread you brainlet

[narrow cobalt]

Lacking substance mate. Try again.

[old silo]

Hours and prestige ≠ knowing what you are talking about

Both snipers and tanks camping are a big problem in this game cause they are fucking everywhere

And they barely play the game in a meaningful way

Especially vehicles

Part of the problem is vehicles being shit and all

But some map changes have clearly made said problem far worse

[crude grove]

please stop derailing this thread

[old silo]

Good luck stopping this

[crude grove]

[orchid sluice]

post most played class then

[crude grove]

[old silo]

Just gonna finish up my own derailing then go away

Vehicles needs buffs so they can be viable outside of camping
But said buffs arent going to get rid of the recon problem.
Only way to get rid of it is through map design changes or really messing with sniper rifle stats

Problem with old basra is that there was very little cover in a tight area around and on the ship

Also the fact that both sides overlooked the entire damn place on several elevation levels and in a wide area

Naturally the ship was hell

New basra made it worse due to a severe lack of cover

It went from 1 extreme to another

[crude grove]

[old silo]

Yeh im done with rant gonna fuck off

[crude grove]

[short fable]

I'm not

Bring back Old District Rush
You removed the best map in the game and replaced it with a trash map nobody ever votes for and plays because it's literally inferior to the original map

[sleek hollow]

people did not like that map.

[old silo]

Ngl i like both districts

For different reasons sure but i still like them

[short fable]

Maybe you didn't, everyone I know loved that map, we all try to play it every opportunity we're given since it's been removed (which is maybe 3-4 times)

[sleek hollow]

the majority said no lol, that has already long been confirmed.

[short fable]

Well NOBODY EVER votes for New District on 64 man servers

I have like 500+ hours of this game playing on rush servers at this point, anyone who plays on 64 knows nobody would vote for this trash

Nobody plays New District on 64 servers, and I bet the data would show its one of the LEAST voted maps in 64 rotations

(Edited because zalfi is kinda bad too and might have less votes than district)

Honestly, so many good maps are still missing from 64 rotations, kinda sad at this point tbh

Where is Contruction Rush too? That map was awesome 👌

Eduardovo needed some work, but also just removed instead

[sleek hollow]

ok good for you. still wrong.

[short fable]

Great argument

[old silo]

Frankly old maps should return to bbr
Just rename new ones or something

Cant hurt to have em

[short fable]

Why was construction rush even removed without a replacement? That was one of the best rush maps imo

[proper ledge]

"District"
"District 2: Electric Boogaloo"