Brainstorm - Solid Cover ideas/reference

[zinc cedar]

Hey everyone, while im doing research to collect more references for a solid and non destroyable props , that will provide more cover to player in various environment scenario. I feel that i can miss something interesting, so you can drop here your idea's/reference's for a solid cover.

Keep in mind, its must be not too small and not too big. aka not bigger than ship container or a bus and not smaller than construction waste bin.
Its must be something that can be reused on map for at least few times, aka not a unique single things on map that wont make much sense if it going to be to common to see.

In Battlebit you can find a solid cover such a shipment container, power transformator, big waste containers etc,
Its should make player feel more safe and have ability to at least stick to it and close one or two possible angle of enemy attack.

Thanks

[past furnace]

Fridge

[swift hinge]

Flower planters

Piles of bricks / building materials

[dire tide]

water tanks
military airdrop supplies
overturned tables/bookshelf

[past furnace]

Large ammo boxes
But empty

Kinda like the thing at bases except open

[zinc cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/indiana-jones-fridge-nuclear-atom-bomb-survive-gif-26240817

Fridge already exist.
Or you mean indiana jonse one?

[zinc cedar]

already exist.

[past furnace]

Indiana jones ones
For shits and gigs

[zinc cedar]

already exist.,

[past furnace]

Indestructible as an easter egg

[zinc cedar]

already exist.

[zinc cedar]

already exist.

[past furnace]

Rip

[zinc cedar]

looks like you didn't played battlebit for 100 hours xD

[swift hinge]

I think that a significant part of the issue could be solved by making building better. Different shapes to build, better UI for building (binds please), not tying building to squad points which makes it impossible to build in many modes.

[dire tide]

ATMs

[zinc cedar]

already exist along with cola machine.

[past furnace]

How about a large pile of trash

[zinc cedar]

send photos

[past furnace]

K one minute

[swift hinge]

Phone booths

[zinc cedar]

its must be non destroyable and solid.
Phone booths can be exploded and wont provide cover.
Read rules pls.

[swift hinge]

I mean anything can be destroyed, it just depends on what you decide to make destructable

I dont know what you use to decide whats destructable

[zinc cedar]

if telephone booths will be non destryoable, that will conflict with player logic, huh?

[past furnace]

I had one of these 2 in mind
One is, well, just a literal pile of trash
Other is from like contruction and demolition sites and such

[dire tide]

bodegas and food vendor carts

[zinc cedar]

sound interesting. send photos pls.

[swift hinge]

Train cars? Maybe a crashed train

Or are those too big

[zinc cedar]

bigger than shipment contrainer for sure

[past furnace]

Defo bigger

[dire tide]

food cart on left, newsstand (i don't think it's technically a bodega) on the right

[twilit rose]

When things like trucks can be blown up, it's hard to draw a line to what's proper "hard" cover or not

The "easiest" way to communicate would be the solid blocks of rubble you see on salhan that have the same color as the building frames.

Anything that you make "building material" colored should be a safe bet to make non destroyable

Everything below the level of a building being destructible means stuff like thick metal carts or piles of bricks just won't ever "feel" safe because you know that stuff that should be stronger, like a truck, can be blown up.

That's my POV at least

TL;DR, stick to rubble and concrete for invincible stuff, adding invincible power transformers just doesn't feel that right. Also, for adding more scattered safe cover, take a page from old maps by adding some sandbags and hescos, they remind players that said cover exists and is extremely tanky, and doesnt feel out of place on any map

[dire tide]

are scissor lifts in the game already?

[dire tide]

artillery battery

[dire tide]

pile of tires

[primal sky]

i think the big red walls on valley and such should be destructible

small half-walls on various platforms also can't be destroyed and you either have to jump or vault over them

default sandbags on wakistan bridge entry points also cannot be destroyed

[grave hare]

maxwell

https://tenor.com/view/maxwell-maxwell-spin-spinning-cat-maxwell-spinning-gif-27234188

[primal sky]

https://tenor.com/view/zazucat-zazu-cat-gato-memes-gif-13776554709968328533

[peak tartan]

How about some nuclear waste barrels but instead of the radioactive waste symbol you put some easter egg image ie Terminalintel in a maid outfit

[gaunt belfry]

On construction sites - cable drums

Glass containers in urban areas (scalable but usually it only has white and green/coloured containers - brown is an exception)

Gritbins maybe? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grit_bin

Alongside local areas/streets: Speed traps - but might be too small - however could provide single person cover

[gaunt belfry]

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Additionally you can place burned out APCs or Gas Tigers/Humvees like you did at the Tank graveyard in Outskirts

[gaunt belfry]

Trailers and Semi-trailers in varies versions

concrete seating blocks

[verbal crown]

Crashed Helicopter

[plush cargo]

Maybe @novel bramble’s mother? Oh shit thats bigger than a shipping container nevermind

[wild spoke]

Ok so hear me out

This but in BBR art style

And for maps with beach like terrian with oceans (main one being zalfi) you could probably get away with surf boards positioned upright near the beaches, would give some small cover against snipers on the islands

[past furnace]

Mfw a high caliber bullet doesnt penetrate a fucking surfboard

Not against the idea id just find it funny

[wild spoke]

I mean could also go for the crashed ship route too, just make it smaller than a shipping container (or a wood boat) Both would be great for cover near oceans/lands of water. There was an idea that touched on how outskirts did that by @gaunt belfry and imo it could work for boats too, and would make the most sense with “indestructible”

But surfboards seem easier to make, could be wrong but you could easily just put it on some steel rack

[past furnace]

I wish zalfi baeaches looked at bit more like beaches

[gaunt belfry]

What about actual fallen trees? - might not be Solid Cover but partly visual, partly solid depending on leaves/wood

excavator buckets in varies sizes are also possible

[river cove]

Instead of putting down space killer destroyed tanks, more like destroyed Btrs or LAVs should be the norm

[river cove]

Crashed Avacs or chinooks

[zinc cedar]

that one is a fine catch.
Only sadly that in order to hide you must prone, but still good and cheap additional to details of environment

[lucid drift]

sandbag piles

[dreamy blaze]

is there a list of props that are already in the game?

[frail vessel]

Destroyed or damaged Ural/Kamaz trucks

[crystal ice]

Maybe some urban power transformers? (Not the ones on valley)

[zinc cedar]

good one catch for sure, thanks

[dense belfry]

Wait vils, whats going on with the fence over there?

[zinc cedar]

editor version is not batching bake of scene to speed up work.

[dense belfry]

Oh cool

[gaunt belfry]

Dragon Teeth?

[lilac arch]

tank traps in general?

[dire tide]

like these things from tarkov

[twilit rose]

what about, similar to the big statues, just concrete modern art in certain urban areas?

[zinc cedar]

We must avoid complex shapes for fair LoD, Collision and optimization aspects

[twilit rose]

modern art doesn't have to be complex

there's also these spheres used for blocking cars, they're just huge balls of concrete that could fit a BB player

similar to road blockers, but both of these are thicker than the usual metal pole

also, toll booths and military checkpoints, although I think these exist in some spots and just are on the outer parts of maps

lastly, these are in the game but could afford to be muuuuuch tankier than they are now

[zinc cedar]

sadly it wont fit our goal, to have as much as possible things that you can reuse many time across map.
Your idea can be used at single place only.

We already have concrete blocks.
Maybe i can make over sidez versions as solid cover, need to dig that

[gaunt belfry]

Do we have those in the game? - I mean surely can be destroyed with C4 - but like almost every country has these

[twilit rose]

These concrete manhole covers that jut out and vary in size

Example of a larger one

[crystal ice]

Maybe some mailboxes but the bigger ones, not the small single residence mailboxes

Perfect for a single person to break sight line for a quick second

[rigid thicket]

Telephone booths, Various heavy equipment like tractors & excavators. Pre-fallen trees, new trees, Gazebos, large mechanic toolboxes, car lifts with cars on them/not on them, large waste oil containers (they explode?), bleachers, helicopter landing pads, cement truck, forklifts, sidewalk sweepers, E-bike return stations, sheds, electric car chargers, bar tables, escalators, toll booths, outside store shelving, various different large appliance boxes, tvs, fridges, floor cleaning machines, Zambonis, trolleys, janitor trolleys... I can go on lmao

[past furnace]

Arent 70% of these already in the game

[rigid thicket]

no

[past furnace]

Also vil said non destroyable
Stuff like tvs and trolleys seem pretty destroyable

[rigid thicket]

Tv boxes you mean* but Yes some are ill take them out

I find it odd we have the map vehicles just disappear. A lot of cover is lost because of that. I think the physics on those need to be re-worked and the placement of them adjusted so they can be destroyed, and there is ways to navigate around them with our drivable vehicles but they stay on the map to add as cover.

We have destroyed tank assets already, which would be nice to be sprinkled in new maps.

[dense belfry]

If you editing the list the objects also have size and durability requirements. I havent come up with a damn thing that fits vils request so far

[rigid thicket]

Its pretty easy to think of a bunch of things in my end because ive seen probably a 100k assets before. Though its harder to filter out ones that Vil wouldn't have to spend an entire day making.

[dense belfry]

👍 i look forward to the big ol list

[rigid thicket]

Going with whats planned and having the destruction toned down a bit it would beneficial to make some objects less destructible as is.

everyone just rams every vehicle on waki bridge, and then 80% of the bridge is just clear on first push, does not make for much of a fun experience on there for all kinds of players.

[past furnace]

Does seem rather silly for a humvee or a gastiger to just destroy them with ease

[rigid thicket]

Yeah, I agree. Surely we could get less vehicles and have our drivable ones have heavier weighting and push them out of the way more than the vehicle instantly going from state of fully intact to fully destroyed.

Feel as thats been a big missed point, the vehicles should make some cover more than just once. (asset ones not drivable)

[past furnace]

Also if they are more durable, handling should be improved on vehicles as well

[rigid thicket]

Oki made the vehicles break like a freight truck

[past furnace]

Cause they dont turn that well, and having fewer but resilient cars especially on tighter maps would be a nightmare to drive through

[rigid thicket]

cant even hand break for Tokyo drift shenanigans. Imagine sideswiping some dude mid drift.

[past furnace]

That would be sick

I think the only vehicle capable of just ramming through cars should be a tank for obvious reasons

[rigid thicket]

initially yes, but all of the vehicles would be pushed to the sides come first push. As you see in many urban war scenarios.

[past furnace]

True
Better handling would still be much apreciated

[rigid thicket]

Forging your own path each time would create unique play styles. If vehicles stayed and you were able to push them, whos to say someone with a LAV could push a few in the way of the road as make-shift cover or to prevent enemy vehicles from passing so easily.

[rigid thicket]

If it were done correctly, we'd probably see less vehicles overall so its not too much of a problem.

What would be cool is to create scenarios for maps of none, low, medium, heavy traffic. and it would actually make maps be played differently without remaking them all.

low effort, high results. Could play Tensa town in heavy traffic and it be super fun to play the middle area.

Or multi and heavy traffic having like campers parked to the side of the road, trailers/trailer park, ect

[swift hinge]

MAKE BUILDING BETTER

People actually building completely fixes this issue

[rigid thicket]

thats a whole different story Chum haha

[swift hinge]

Yeah thats for a different suggestion

[past furnace]

Let people know they can build in the first place

[rigid thicket]

dw dw

[past furnace]

Anyways

[rigid thicket]

Just to note on that Building better & letting people know they can build is in the dev's minds.

[past furnace]

Neat thing would be if non driveable cars acted like drivable ones
Could explode and all, except that their debris stays and could potentially get destroyed like the current non driveable cars do

Not as easily but still destroyable

[rigid thicket]

but to simpfy, I think having three options none/low/high traffic scenarios for the maps would be very fun to see & be more than enough to get much more relatability out of the maps.

[rigid thicket]

thats what I was thinking with this idea, the 'dead cars' stay on the map and offer cover.

Its a very smart idea, it gives much more use out of assets we already have, and helps with vilaskis suggestion. We'd have cover that the players can move around with the vehicles we can drive.

The 'dead' vehicles are great cover from what ive seen before they vanished in thin air lol

[zinc cedar]

and assign photos please, to filther out ideas faster and see with one will fit for sure

[rigid thicket]

sure thing

[rigid thicket]

heres another one of the e-bike station, it was cropped out by accident

[lilac arch]

monuments for old wars with tanks (t-34/sherman/panzer)? could use a destroyed model on maps based on "old" battlefields rusting away

[zinc cedar]

#1239357707304177864 message

[past furnace]

What about cannons
Could work on that new castle on zalfi
Not uncommon for seaside castles and fortresses back in the day at sea to have em

[lilac arch]

Just say it’s Russia and slap t-34s everywhere just like irl lol.
But yeah old fortifications and left over wrecks from battles long past could be an interesting thing to add to maps

[rigid thicket]

Mine truck tires work

[past furnace]

Holy shit those are massive

[rigid thicket]

thats gotta be enough cover for at least 6 supports

and a meddic in the middle

[twilit rose]

That's prolly the most fitting

I'm of the same mind though that a lot of in game stuff, namely concrete barriers should be a little more tanky than "drive car straight through"

[past furnace]

Just so i dont forget the examples

[twilit rose]

Zamboni on the other hand doesn't feel like "player sized explosive resistant hard cover reusable on most maps"
Although those restrictions are pretty severe

[dense belfry]

Zamboni with a tanks armor plates bolted onto the side

[rigid thicket]

too big?

[dire tide]

A pile of dead livestock

[gaunt belfry]

Outdoor Table Tennis Tables? - they are usually made out of metal

[zinc cedar]

0 cover, unless lie down under table. Can be destroyed with anything xD
Im looking for solid cover

[gaunt belfry]

some have that on the side

[zinc cedar]

Basra v5

[gaunt belfry]

I suggested this earlier but didn't add images - excavator buckets

[dense belfry]

Ok but hear me out, its a made to scale version of the ship roughly the size of a dumpster.

[gaunt belfry]

Fallen/Collapsed Street signs

[past furnace]

Fallen bilboards?

[gaunt belfry]

Landslides?

[past furnace]

How about motorbikes?

There do be a severe lack of em

[gaunt belfry]

True dat

[gaunt belfry]

Concrete Composter

[gaunt belfry]

Gas Station Signs

[rigid thicket]

do we even have gas stations?

[languid meadow]

tensatown has one

[dire tide]

I think new multuislands has one too

[primal sky]

tensa has one

[rigid thicket]

totally forgot about that one, its usually in ruins and un-distinguishable in seconds.

[rigid thicket]

could do pre-collapsed buildings & have roofs to act as ramps/cover

[haughty spoke]

stones

[dreamy blaze]

🗿

[lucid drift]

https://tenor.com/view/sanzmeme-moai-batu-emot-batu-gif-23675752

[restive notch]

do we have hay bales yet?

server towers in data center buildings

[gaunt belfry]

Might not be solid Cover but:
Huge Chess boards

You could elevate them for some reason so you have cover along the edges - but will probably fail because the pieces are too complex structures

[zinc cedar]

im cannot place Huge Chess boards at least 5x time on every map in Battlebit xD

[lilac arch]

what about those windwill looking water dispensers you see everywhere?

[haughty spoke]

Water fountains

[peak tartan]

add chess pieces we can move and use as cover

[gaunt belfry]

Concrete Trash cans

[dense belfry]

these things?

[haughty spoke]

More like this

[dense belfry]

ahh

[gaunt belfry]

Bird baths might be too smol

[dense belfry]

"solid and non destroyable props , that will provide more cover to player in various environment scenario."

Going to need to be a biiig fuckin bird bath

[gaunt belfry]

Yup - a Bird pool

[dense belfry]

One day, on some big ass map, I will now hope to find 3-5 non functional littlebirds landed next to a pool of water with the front end dipped in.

[rigid thicket]

its pretty hard to think of things that are small-mid sized. That could be considered non-destructible

a lot of the concrete walls are destructible already too

[rapid ferry]

Fire Extinguishers, beds, etc

[zinc cedar]

exactly, that why im there

[rigid thicket]

There might be a point where you might just need to use some assets that could be destructible but make them unable to

[twilit rose]

^

[dense belfry]

If you make some objects that you would expect to be destructible, indestructible, you then need to communicate to the player in some capacity what object is unbreakable or not. If a surf board is randomly bulletproof, is this bush? Its important to have objects behave the way its generally expected. Doesnt make or break the game, but it makes determining "what did i do wrong/what happened there" just that much more confusing initially.

[dire tide]

marquee signs for businesses and such

[past furnace]

It should make sense at least

Surf board being bulletproof is fine i think, but should be destructible by hammer or explosives

In terms of how to communicate to the player what is/ isnt destructible, perhaps using sound cues?

If an object is indestructible, it should make a distict sounds upon being attempted at being destroyed

[dire tide]

electronic road sign

[past furnace]

Or in the case of sledgehammer/ pickaxe, special animation where the hammer/pick bounces back, cause you are hitting it full force and doing nothing to it

Something visual also works

If it takes a few hits to be destroyed, after X hits, cracks start showing, just something to show that damage has been done

[rigid thicket]

Probably is no sense debating it unless its gonna happen

We have full metal cars that are destructible, full big rig cabs that are also destructible.

Perhaps can add a bunch of these & add some resistance to current things that shouldn't blow up instantly, to continue making things consistent

Way it is in game now as far as im thinking is if it large enough of an asset it is indestructible/takes many explosives. Anything same size of a vehicle or smaller takes a single c4/rpg to destroy. Aside from the Big rig cab.

[rapid ferry]

Having a thread for stuff like this which will most likely not happen for a couple months or prolly never has no point in my opinion. It is useless like SteveRec said. The only way this thread will prolly have any point is if there is a garuntee that the Solid Cover Ideas will be added.

[rapid ferry]

Agreed. Love this idea.

[grave hare]

dont we have a push keybind? (k) cant we have moveable civilian vehicles to push as cover?

[past furnace]

Only works on quadbikes and jeskis

Cant push anything else

[grave hare]

exactly, so I'm suggesting whether we can make it so that we can push civilian cars as movable cover

movable cover... movable haystacks?

oh I know tractor

drivable tractor

[lofty steeple]

hmm, Hard cover wise I suppose a stack of I beams could work, fairly thick and a pile of them would be hard to displace, otherwise C beams I guess

[humble turret]

How about some eco friendly wood veneers

[coral folio]

Trenches/foxholes

[rapid ferry]

Love this idea. Gives us a chance to have a war-style game

[lofty steeple]

true, makes sense to always have some due to the nature of war, suppose the question is uni directional or not

[dire tide]

It'd be nice to fight in like a front line warzone type map that's already been blown to bits from artillery and bombing and such. All the locations are like pristine and untouched by war

[abstract falcon]

Oh, that's a good idea!
Tents.
Block LoS, but they can be shot through like bushes/hedges so you can't just rely on them for cover to stop bullets.

[lucid drift]

"solid cover ideas"

[gaunt belfry]

The ideas are solid, but the objects aren't ^^

[restive notch]

gas cylinder cradles, like this

I like this example from halo infinite

[gaunt belfry]

People will 100% shoot those and expect them to blow up. But even when burned out it could be solid cover

[dense belfry]

Yeah if i see red containers like that they better explode. Its a rule.

[twilit rose]

solution: make them blue

[restive notch]

yeah the solution to that is easy

don't make them red

lmao

[abstract falcon]

A quick google search says that Black tanks means either Nitrogen gas (light yellow lettering) or compressed air (white lettering).

Both won't explode in a huge fireball if shot, they'd just lose pressure.

[dire tide]

They can also just be empty

[gaunt belfry]

Or they just can explode, why shouldn't they? - Kills everyone around it + damages vehicles

[abstract falcon]

I was just operating under the assumption it was specifically not supposed to be reactive.

[dreamy blaze]

they aren't solid cover then

[gaunt belfry]

🤔 - well, after they exploded they might