problem in map voting / idea to improve

[boreal path]

Lately the problem of repeating maps has recently returned and with the modes too

Basically, votes from new players always come in heavily, because the temptation to play sniper/dmr is what's most common among them (and for good reason snipers are satisfactory)

My suggestion to improve this is the following.

Add a system to limit maps and modes to a number of matches:
• Selected modes remain 2 times without appearing in the list

• Selected maps do not appear for 6 matches, even their variants in other modes
example: #1232865827976646666 message

This would help to take advantage of new modes and maps, and would take away the monotony of maps that are currently Sandy, valley, sandy, valley,...

[random cave]

True 👍

[cloud fractal]

Or… just improve the unpopular maps instead of turning old barsa into water world?

Everyone wonders why maps like namak (both versions), waki, sandy, etc. get picked over lonovo, outskirts, district, etc. some maps are fun to fight in. Others make people wanna leave the server

I agree we need something like this or #1172239412814430258 as it would stop the repetitive nature of voting, but ultimately it won’t mean anything if the lobby killer maps are skill just that, lobby killers

[boreal path]

This should be more work than the system of leaving it hidden for a few matches, otherwise it would suffer the same problem Barsa suffers from, which is it becomes monotonous, the map would still repeat itself several times.

And of course sandy and vallay are good, the problem is them all day, one hour saturates

[cloud fractal]

Still something that needs to be done on top of this. Otherwise when people run through all the “good maps” they’ll either swap server or go afk until the maps go back into rotation

I agree, sandy waki valley conq/fl/etc. on a loop sucks. But I can’t really blame the community for voting on these maps

[boreal path]

I don't see this as a problem, since this already happens due to this repetition

[heavy meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/traewockhardt-sad-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-16591014784735052511

THE MAP VOTING NEVER ENDS

[boreal path]

It would be like this, as the server remained active, there would only be 6 maps left out of the list There are only 16 left in a list that will always vary depending on the players voting!
Example by emojis : (Azagor was chosen )

[boreal path]

Don't complain that it's crooked, I was accidentally silenced twice trying to put this together

[cloud fractal]

Nah you’re good in that regard we all know the filters are kinda iffy here

[boreal path]

I hope this doesn't fall into oblivion

[boreal path]

What a shame this was forgotten to make the maps more dynamic

[icy cipher]

Up.

[magic stirrup]

Damn thats a solid suggestion but sadly it's crooked and therefore irrelevant

[cloud fractal]

Nah it’s not cooked at all, quite good to prevent repeat loops to that degree , perhaps an option alongside mario kart though?

[boreal path]

The idea is to exemplify the maps that have already been used by the crowd not to enter the map vote for the next 6 matches, like Azagor there, in this case it has already been played, so it would be on hold for up to 6 rounds on other maps.

Whoever will decide the maps will still be the players in the random voting that already occurs when 3 maps appear, it just won't appear in the next 6 matches

[boreal path]

Sad that it didn't move forward

[cloud fractal]

If it makes you feel better, we stole this idea for e4gl voting on our domi map pool for infantry paradise

[boreal path]

I was plagiarized

[cloud fractal]

Perhaps. But its a good system that allows more maps to see the light of day

granted we have to ban the super bad maps layout wise, but outside of that the concept works.

I still do stand by what I said over a year ago though. Maps that are underperforming/hated need to be looked into and addressed. Can’t really “ban” them on officials, that defeats the purpose of the official servers having nothing banned.

[patent scarab]

I don't get why they are reworking/removing all those maps instead of simply doing small things to address the issues

[cloud fractal]

Easier to remove a very problematic map from rotation then have it stay in and watch people mass AFK/get annoyed

Only exception is old namak because popularity thing and free nostalgia bait. Old basra not in files

[patent scarab]

guess well just go through a loop of playing a map for a few month, it getting reworked and removed and then repeat with the "reworked" version instead of trying to fix the issues with the og map without creating a completely new map

and all that while other maps with issues get ignored because the rework takes too much time

[cloud fractal]

Im not disagreeing with you, im just stating from my pov I cant do shit other than remove the map from rotation or watch people afk it/leave

I dont have vilaskis’s mapping tools

[patent scarab]

yeah im was more talking about vils here

i dont get why he is still solo and what tf hes doing

[cloud fractal]

Fair enough

The work progress threads are better than nothing

Obviously some maps dont need a full rework but the ones I’ve seen so far would probably fall under that, but then again this is me trying to see us at least get something for the infy side of players

[patent scarab]

i like that he kept coms active during these times but i have no idea what goes on in his brain while creating these maps

[cloud fractal]

I mean I guess to his credit I have seen him on bobs here and there

Obviously im still having doubts, given everything in the past. Whos to say though

[patent scarab]

maps like tensa frontline, or azagor need balancing way more than lonovo a rework

[cloud fractal]

Tensa FL is fine, just a slight tweak to c2 to be on par with c1 captures.

Aza I agree though

[patent scarab]

Tensa FL is fine

tensa fl is unbalanced af

same as sandy

[cloud fractal]

Sandy sure, tensa is actually pretty fair all things considered, outside of again c2 being real easy to capture

Vs c1 where some effort is required

And we got valley and edu fl which truthfully aren’t much better than sandy if we wanna discuss fl layouts

[patent scarab]

havent played valley in ages

[cloud fractal]

Its US sided like edu

Take a guess why we opt to not use Valley for FL

[patent scarab]

now that i think about it i havent played edu in ages too

love me the 3 map loop

[cloud fractal]

also a reason why but yeah

[patent scarab]

but yeah i would love some small changes on all of those maps over a rework anytime

[cloud fractal]

Edu - too flat once you leave the center, lacking cover, water isn’t fun.

Valley - Large buildings and hills promoting camping in the middle of nowhere, make it harder for spawning in teammates to play objective. Matches often either end in 5 min or become a tdm at the reactor area (Basically too vertical relative to where objectives are. Waki bridge has this problem too sure, but.. c2 exists so..)

Minor issues in the grand scheme of things? Perhaps. But its big enough of a problem for FL specifically

[patent scarab]

will be interesting to see if the destruction changes will change that

[cloud fractal]

Only time will tell. Like I mentioned earlier, I just play it by ear and suggest what works best for our community

[patent scarab]

what annoys me is that vil does not learn from mistakes on past maps and does the EXACT same on the new reworks too

[frigid yoke]

Azagor just needs an actual rework

Shit becomes a flatland after all buildings are destroyed and one side has zero cover near spawn

[patent scarab]

it does not need a rework if we get a bit more cover near spawn and a bit more debris from destroyed buildings + destruction changes
there is no need to completely wipe that map

[viscid shuttle]

like???

[patent scarab]

no cover from spawn to objectives

for example

this again is a killzone

these are killzones

• vehicle camping

[viscid shuttle]

bro, its like 5% done LOL. Also you cannot see the terrain slope to observe natural cover as long as there is few safe routes with great protection.

[patent scarab]

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[patent scarab]

[cloud fractal]

With all due respect, the reason why people are so critical of the game overall is because of said lack of communication to begin with along with them wanting the update to do well. It’s not hate, they want the game to do well.

People have passion for the game, and trying to use the toxic positivity method to denounce any thoughts players might have on the state of the game that could be taken as negative never ends well.

“Bad opinions” will be seen as such, and good ones as good ones by the community and that’s how it should work in the market of ideas

[patent scarab]

way too much effort to respond to such a troll message

[cloud fractal]

could be a lost reddit user

[patent scarab]

his dc history says otherwise

beside there is not a single sentence in his post that makes sense/is true

[peak lodge]

I’m glad that infantry conquest is being removed in update to encourage variety in game modes.

I agree that there also needs to be something implemented that prevents maps being voted repeatedly, like a cooling off period.

[frigid yoke]

B-but think of the Waki slop enjoyers!! They will be in shambles that they cant play on their beloved map for the billionth time that day!!!

[boreal path]

I still have my doubts if it will really vary, in the end it may end up repeating achievements and Invasion or Frontline, besides that these improvements that I mentioned can even help the modes that have not been added yet, like infection and etc...