Oki, please do not make the game arcadey to this extent.

[thorny yoke]

They cut half of the thing out

[tawny fern]

Oh shit, thats not good.

[thorny yoke]

Literally this

[tawny fern]

DAMNNN

[thorny yoke]

You cant see it no more

[tawny fern]

Does the community like that or nah?

Ik that Phycat is all about RPG's

[signal moss]

nothing shown today is liked by the community

[tawny fern]

Yep, its official. 2023-2024 BBR Tombstone

[barren hound]

ngl that is kinda of a overreat

overreaction

[tawny fern]

...

No fucking way you said that now

Its a big F to the game

[thorny yoke]

It makes it a lot less viable

[honest igloo]

i kinda need that 200m for ranging tanks, btrs etc

[thorn forge]

larry discussing something chemistry combustion

😴

[tawny fern]

Chemistry my ass bro. How can this game still survive?

It went from my favourite game to a DNT fast

[barren hound]

a scope mistake that cut off that can be fixed on a dime it is kinda something you dont have to put it on a pedestal of big mistakes the devs made

[thorny yoke]

Oh god we didnt break him to the point of making mustard gas did we?

[tawny fern]

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO

👀

Don't ask

[barren hound]

also chat is this real

[thorny yoke]

It really is

[tawny fern]

Yes, I think

[thorny yoke]

Like no joke

He didnt say anything specific

[barren hound]

want to see 16 recons doing the closest to this

[zealous egret]

cope stream is really crazy

[tawny fern]

Lol

[tawny fern]

Ik. Like this. Also dont ask again unless you rlly wanna know.

[zealous egret]

wtf is that

[barren hound]

kinda get where he is going, to help new players and etc

but like isnt the sound enough already

[tawny fern]

Oh its one of the moderators here. I found them

[zealous egret]

💀

[barren hound]

whenever i hear a drone i look at the skys like a british soldier hearing a stuka plane

[tawny fern]

Yes indeed.

People absolutely roasting the devs

[barren hound]

also we are gonna give call of duty waw players ptsd if the played on the hardest difficulty

[hasty elm]

https://tenor.com/view/spiritus-missile-bomb-war-alarm-gif-22273113

[thorny yoke]

Supposedly theres a bug where you cant hear it? Never got it myself
But if thats the case just fix it

[barren hound]

i never died by a silent drone ngl

didnt even knew it existed

[thorny yoke]

Why treat the symptoms of a larger problem

Instead of fixing the problem

[barren hound]

literally

[thorny yoke]

Actually that okis problem solving 101

[honest igloo]

soon

ye sure

[barren hound]

people having problems with the fact the gameplay loop is kill and die and not use half of the mechanics we implemented

lets remove them

[barren hound]

mag packing removal reason is so stupid

[hasty elm]

they aint doing that

[barren hound]

we are so back

[hasty elm]

its evolving

[barren hound]

how much can this evolve

time will tell

[patent pumice]

The entire bbr approach to problem solving is to scrap everything and start over. No iterative design process allowed

Look at how maps are “reworked”

[hollow inlet]

@granite forge know that we don't blame you 🫡

[signal moss]

[thorny yoke]

I just feel sorry for termi

[granite forge]

I know…

[hollow inlet]

Imagine

A different universe

Where the dev team did iterative testing on a beta branch

And slowly added features

And fine tuned the game

I shed a tear thinking about it 😔

Watch all these ideas come from the feedback team lol

I guess I'll just dip from the server for a few months or something idk. No point suggesting things lol

[thorny yoke]

They are "reworking" the feedback team

[hollow inlet]

Feedback team remastered

[signal moss]

takes just as much time as the update

[granite forge]

Oh god…

Not again

[thorny yoke]

50% of the update was actually making the feedback team

[hollow inlet]

I guess to be clear to the devs, it's not that the update is taking a long time, it's that it KEEPS getting pushed back constantly, and we're just not clear on the design direction.

Y'all gotta let terminal write some monthly updates on steam https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1230511450359988224 where you can be more clear about what's happening, the direction the game is going, what we can expect moving forward, etc

[granite forge]

https://tenor.com/view/im-just-saying-pastor-church-idk-hey-gif-15434893

[hollow inlet]

I feel like I can't get hype or even skeptical for the changes lol

It just feels like I'm getting a new game that isn't building on anything I liked currently. And that's ok in some ways, but I don't feel the dev's "vision" at all so I can't get behind any of the changes either

Idk, here's hoping the game is better rather than worse I suppose.

[tawny fern]

Just wondering, what are your thoughts on the way the things are going personally?

[granite forge]

In general? Or.?

[tawny fern]

In general with the way the game is going and about the pushbacks

How do you feel about it?

[granite forge]

All I can do is put on my brave face. Dislike the delays but excited for what I’ve seen in the update.

[tawny fern]

Ah, I see.

Alr

[granite forge]

But if you’re wondering if I share the communities frustrations. Then yes.

[tawny fern]

Gotchu

I was wondering that 😄

[patent pumice]

Terminal I think you should try to convince them to release the update sooner rather than later. Break it into two parts

[tawny fern]

Fr

[patent pumice]

Surely after all this time they can focus on finishing the sound part then at that point releasing everything else thats finished

I really dont see much of a reason it all has to happen at once

[thorny yoke]

Revert sound until new one comes out
Fix bugs
Add the stuff thats finished

[patent pumice]

That too

Other games get away with long waits between updates because they actually fix issues that pop up during those waits

[barren hound]

i can only think of project zomboid

unironically the moment i saw them showing the new dragging corpse animation i just got more excited to a animation being added

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J42QKHxo4us

we are so back

[barren hound]

it could be basically a ''minor update'' to fix the stuff that is already done and fix bugs and stuff like the black screen problem and minor weapon balance(could even try to sneak some mag changes)

[agile dragon]

Wait, new players are being locked into the slowest class that has the least guns? What? It's not like 5 classes is complicated to understand, it's literally just "soldier, medic, demolitionist, heavy, sniper". The most basic of rosters, wtf?

The only reason bleed is complained about at all is because it's implemented poorly. For some reason now everybody has medic's fast bandage, and there's no movement penalty while bandaging. Compare it to mag packing, where your movement is impeded, and to launch where bandaging took longer, and bleeding served its purpose to punish reckless behaviour and force people into cover.

Now you just have people running through fields, taking a hit, mashing their mouse everywhere with the goofy ahh movement to avoid further hits, bandaging all the while, and by the time they're hit next if at all they're back up to full health.

The lack of healthbars are not going to cause people to leave the game when there's already hitmarkers. Locking people into a single class when joining is going to shit all over player retention.

Meanwhile I still can't destroy floors with C4. I just wanna blow the floor out under campers man...

[hasty elm]

https://tenor.com/view/gus-gus-fring-gustavo-gustavo-fring-los-pollos-hermanos-gif-8459243229380782684

[barren hound]

let bro cook at the bandaging part

bandages actually having some impact on combat or movement can work

the latter impacting combat in someway

bleed does almost jackshit outside of punishing those that can live after firefights

[tawny fern]

Bro stop giving them fucking ideas. You have no idea what the absolute fuck you are talking about.

Get some skills bud

[barren hound]

Literally what is the problem with that

[tawny fern]

Your basically saying "Hey, lets add some bandaging mechanic where player movement in combat makes the the biggest fucking target with a BIG fucking bullseye on them which is great!"

Thats not how it works pal

[barren hound]

Thats why i say "can"
You make it a wayy big penalty and you basically made it too much of a downside for anyone
Movement debuffs is something i dislike compared to combat debuffs bc to find a bridge of a moderate slow down in that part is difficult af

Even more on how bleed right now is so easy to get with that guarantee if you are below 40 hp no matter what

[patent pumice]

The current problem with bandages is that people just ignore them and dont bother stopping to bandage. The nerfs you suggested dont do anything to fix that

In fact they would make it worse.

[barren hound]

Then how would you make so you dont have to ignore it without making it worse

[tawny fern]

Its simple, leave it be

Jeez

Instead of worsening, leave it BE!!!!

[barren hound]

Then it literally does nothing lmao

Might aswell not exist

[patent pumice]

If you wanted to encourage people to bandage more you would add more of a benefit to bandaging more

The most obvious way would be to make bleed DOT faster / stronger

Or you could just leave it alone since most people seem to think its fine

[tawny fern]

Fr

[thorn forge]

guys what if people that took damage would gradually degrade their clothings and get blood and mud all over

[tawny fern]

Not bad

[patent pumice]

good idea then the bandage can be turned into a sewing kit to fix your clothes

would need a washing machine or something to clean them

[barren hound]

It is strange bc oki says that it slows the game down when it almost does basically nothing to encourage you to bandage when you are fighting, you can just keep going and do just as well without having to worry about it

[barren hound]

Actually yeah

[patent pumice]

Or perhaps they clean themselves when you swim

[barren hound]

Enginner could repair washing machine props on the map

[patent pumice]

We're gonna need another 4 months to implement that because this absolutely needs to happen this update, cannot be put of

f

if we dont get this this update all the returning players will leave

[patent pumice]

This is a really good idea (+2 weeks)

[barren hound]

(Gets delayed)

[thorn forge]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rock-mp4-transparent-color-gif-11114772717737196968

[azure panther]

Agree

[obtuse rover]

Idk why he is appealing to the newcomers this much. It's like he said. People just casually play BBR, and most are probably even rocking music in the background, why there is a need for a drone indicator or so many indicators when people are just not tryharding and don't care when their teammates are dying from behind them left and right.

[barren hound]

tbh even those that are tryharding can do well without indicators

[obtuse rover]

Game feels already very bland and needs more content. Not even more simplying the game

[barren hound]

true

[hasty elm]

Appealing to new commers isn't bad as long as the methods aren't stupid

CS does well without grenade indicator, because the audio is done well for throwables

[obtuse rover]

I am all for tutorial, learning by doing. But. I mean, Markiplier said everything already anyway

[thorny yoke]

Exactly

Just make shit actually have sounds

Stuff like c4 for example could also use some sounds

Rn its completely silent

Sledge/ pick dont have swinging sounds (when being swinged at)

Sounds for grenades when bouncing and such are barely audible

Rope doesnt have climbing sounds and the deploy is pretty damn silent

[tawny fern]

Keep em coming guys!

Wonder if the entire BBR Staff Team will join up here

Would be a record

[turbid nebula]

so much staff and none of them are working on the game

[green pelican]

staff is a relative term

[grizzled sparrow]

babysitters

[inland plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-for-your-service-shepard-fairey-essential-employee-labor-essential-worker-gif-17035309

[fast willow]

Only reason so many are there is cause of an emergency mod ping which adds all the mods with that role to the suggestion

Someone posted uh.. real bad content here, I’ll leave it at that

[tawny fern]

Ik

[fast willow]

But I’ll admit it’s funny seeing 10 of them here tho

inertnia Qol thread claimed another

[tawny fern]

This thread about to be like the inertia tthread LMFAO

[tawny fern]

Fr

[tawny fern]

So true, they be getting paid like 1 penny an hour

I think

[patent pumice]

I think this is the third unanimous "Oki please dont ruin the game we beg you" thread

[tawny fern]

#dev-wip message Oki saying he dont want to make a replica of BF, yet BF focuses on reality and he says "It is not 100% accurate like real life due to performance reasons (do not want to hurt performance of the game), yet, it's accurate enough to do the job. "

He already hurt the damn performance LMFAO

Wild bro

**I ran through all staff messages and I noticed one thing in common with the ones which were NOT picked for DAC. They never trashed him for the game and always praised it.

So much for the team which defends Oki and I noticed that they want feedback, yet when they get slammed eith feedback, they ban the person**

[hollow inlet]

as someone who gives feedback constantly, tbh the mod team here is pretty lax. You really only get banned if you're being a real character

it's pretty tough to get banned here, if you got banned you probs deserved it tbh

(if I get banned from saying this, that means Oki must give me $1000000 as compensation of course)

[tawny fern]

Snoman said the truth and because he told a staff member something to the effect of his feedback being wrong or something (Which apparently it was) he got banned for Harrassment to the developement or BBR team

#**freesnoman **tho

[hollow inlet]

idk what you're talking about nor do I care to be 100% honest

Most of the people I see actually giving constructive critique are still around and not banned (a lot of them are in this thread). And I can confirm all of us have called Oki stupid in a variety of ways and not gotten banned

So skill issue on Snomans part I guess

[tawny fern]

He was former staff btw and criticized them and his ban was... immature to say the least.

[hollow inlet]

Keep in mind the "staff" section are just discord mods

not devs

[tawny fern]

Ik who they are

And what they are and do

[hollow inlet]

cool cool

[tawny fern]

Imma make a quick ticket related to the server security rq.

[hollow inlet]

lol ok

[heady jetty]

snoman was a schizo who was bound to get banned eventually

it stopped being funny after the 5th game dead oki hates his players fire X person

plus, people have def said worse things in these chats about the game and been fine

[fast willow]

Literally what’s been said

“Give feedback pls we need it!”

Frustrated players with a substantial amount of time give constructive feedback in hopes the game will be better

ignores constructive feedback from vets and listens to people who claim to be game devs with almost no playtime

”Why are these players making fun of us, calling us out of touch, and other negative things?

Game isn’t retaining new players because they don’t know how to play, get frustrated, leave, and just like that onto the next batch of people. “Vets” are leaving because the update keeps getting delayed, there hasn’t been new content for months, and there seems to be no clear plan on the future of BBR if there even is one.

Latest devcast is a perfect example: Oki says update is only 50% done, Larry and Terminal both think it’s misspeak. Which is it?

I among with most want the game to have a good future, but it’s stuff like this which reinforces the “shit isn’t getting better anytime soon” mentality

[hasty elm]

Im not exactly sure what you mean by giving feedback, cuz usually they give their feedback in a secluded suggestion that nobody reads or it just gets lost in all the walls of text. Like suggestions for example, you normally see either new people or the same 5-6 people making small QoL suggestions and that 1 person that makes the peak suggestion called mag rework

Like do these vets make their own suggestions? Reddit posts? Steam forum posts? No? They just expect their feedback which was written in who knows where to find its way to developers.

[cosmic rapids]

[hasty elm]

Nobody moderates or cleans up the dogshit in feedback channels so they are just filled with people shitposting, arguing and whatever bs you can imagine that just makes it hard to get proper feedback. (General trend with feedback channels is that they start off well, but turn to shit after)

[cosmic rapids]

me when 18 mods

[signal moss]

me when 18 mods and still no moderation

[ripe oyster]

me when staying on topic

[cosmic rapids]

[zealous egret]

what is "on topic"?

[ripe oyster]

I'm open to discussing about how bad or good feedback is managed and implemented by Oki, Larry, and Vil. However, it seems that this thread has drifted from its original topic (concerns about the game becoming too arcade-like) to discussing Snowman and then the general moderation in the Suggestions forum. While these are relevant issues, I believe we are veering off-topic here.

[zealous egret]

ok

to get back on topic

arcade != casual (the thing oki wants aperantly)

but what he is doing rn makes everything rather arcade

[ripe oyster]

Oki himself has acknowledged that the lower TTK introduced was a mistake. With the recent changes to models, movement animations, and more, it seems we're moving towards a less arcade-like experience. However, I'm not completely up to date on what specific changes Oki plans to implement next, particularly whether adjustments to TTK or overall balance to reduce arcade-style gameplay will be included in the upcoming update.

[signal moss]

he has shown reduced recoil which was supposed to come with reduced dmg over distance which is a ttk increase. So it should be included

[cosmic rapids]

skevo recoil be like

[signal moss]

and higher ttk makes snipers even harder to balance

[ripe oyster]

Maybe Oki's trying to make the game more realistic, but it still feels pretty arcade-ish. A quick TTK isn’t always bad if the aim is realism. However, the game's pace is so fast right now that it ends up feeling more arcade-like. Like in Tarkov, for example, a headshot usually means a kill, which feels real.

[ripe oyster]

Totally agree with this

[cosmic rapids]

yeah well

game used to have 1.9x headshots globally

but oki be oki

[ripe oyster]

I believe Oki is still figuring out what BattleBit should ultimately be like. Once the update is rolled out, it might give us new insights into what needs changing to improve the game.

[signal moss]

longer ttk so that the flanking one cant kill a group of ppl from behind without giving them time to react is okis way to solve that issue just like he gave sniper trail to solve the issue with them. Did trails solve any issues? no.

[honest igloo]

yea...

[signal moss]

the issue is not that he can kill them easily from behind but that its easy and quiet af to get behind

[cosmic rapids]

maybe next time

[honest igloo]

to this day, people don't know what a rally point is
every time I ask someone to place it down, they don't respond or say: "Whats a rally point?"
pretty much have to coup the squad leader role so I can place a rally

rank 70+ btw

these are not new players

[signal moss]

ye it's rare to see one

[cosmic rapids]

hearing them from china sure doesnt help any that do get placed

[thorny yoke]

I disagree
I made this with the purpose of voicing my concerns and to allow people to vent out everything they dislike around certain decisions made as well

As far as I am concerned this is very much on topic

[signal moss]

ye there only some maps were they are viable

[ripe oyster]

If your intend it so include this topic, i cannot say something against it. Noted down

[fast willow]

And there lies the problem with the whole “leadership” system. Nobody knows how to use relays or those specialized markings, or don’t care to. Same problem the leader role had: on paper it could do something, but ultimately it became a filler role that ended up getting nuked

granted yes leader was basically just assault with cool looking cosmetics, point still stands. What ever happened to that planned “air support” idea?

[tawny fern]

Fr

[tawny fern]

Not to be rude or anything, but do not take this the wrong way, we are still on topic and Snoman had similar things to say.

[ripe oyster]

Im fine

[hollow inlet]

When they whip out "off topic" that's code for "ok shush"

I've seen Oki take feedback and implement it early on, but after the suggestion forum got reopened idk if they at least check, but I know they at least read it sometimes

I've seen vilaskis type in a thread I've created about dev updates before but not post lol, then suddenly we're getting some fun dev updates again (thanks for that). I just hope that with the posting slowing down a lot they're reading these again because tbh they're pretty chill now

Like if they were ignoring ALL of the posts currently I'd actually be concerned. There's good ideas in the suggestions as of late for sure. We're just a bit doomer because we don't have any developer trust atm

Also I personally appreciate when the mods voice up their opinions on the game a bit. Makes you all feel more like real people lol

[ripe oyster]

Always do! We all want to have a great gaming experience

[tawny fern]

Fr!

Here comes the island fortress

Wall off the island and get all enemies to put rally point there so they farm the ever living shit out of us\

[barren hound]

Depending on how it is implemented it can work

[barren hound]

Becomes easy to capture other points if they keep respawning there

Since you can have so many boats and have to depend on choppers getting you

[thorny yoke]

Cant respawn on it

[barren hound]

He did said to put rally points there

Bunny i mean

[thorny yoke]

Depends on size of the point

Since you cant put rallies on capture point directly

[barren hound]

I kinda wish it becomes big so to snipe you have to stay on point and can be more of a easy target since people tend to go there more

[barren hound]

True

[tawny fern]

Very true

[tawny fern]

True as well

[barren hound]

Meant on how other islands will have their line of sight blocked

So they have to move foward

[tawny fern]

Just saw this

[barren hound]

Mfw map design doesnt influence camping

[thorny yoke]

Apc wouldnt be good idea

Water vehicles would be fine

[barren hound]

Rough drawing of what i mean basically about the line of sight and how big i want it to be

[barren hound]

This will probably be the map that has alot more usage for water vehicles

You rarely see them outside at the start of the match

[plain lava]

No, but it would encourage people to actually use the surrounding islands as battlefields and rally points to fight over the objective

Which I think is what the map needed

Boats finally get some use and people who swim kind of deserve to get whacked

[barren hound]

Honestly would be nice if they made the land part of the map smaller so the island and water are most of the focus

[thorny yoke]

Hopefully after that we get vehicle rework

So that water vehicles and shit are a lot more viable

[plain lava]

I think an island only map where the storm comes through and makes the water all choppy like that one BF4 map would get amazing gameplay, honestly still my favorite map from that game

[barren hound]

I think they kinda are, people just sleep on them

[thorny yoke]

They are not very good tbh

[barren hound]

And some janky here and there

[plain lava]

Although idk if Oki would take a year to develop weather simulation

[thorny yoke]

10*

[thorn forge]

wucanit benou?

🎷

[barren hound]

I think 6 months

Problem is that he will only launch after 1 yeat bc he is "fixing" other stuff

[thorny yoke]

But yeah water vehicles are this basically
Jetski is just quadbike but on water
Boat is weak af, albeit kinda good against vehicles cause it has minigun
And big boat is worse apc

[plain lava]

Is there a word for "iterative" in Turkish? Because I don't think Oki comprehends the meaning of the word

Big boat is really funny when used correctly, but yeah it needs to be buffed

[thorny yoke]

Only advantage big boat has is the fact that you can repair it while inside it

[barren hound]

Boat remindes me of the tigerbrowning

Just that everyone on board removing the driver can shoot back, problem is that everyone is exposed

Unironically a D-day style transport boat could be amazing for this map

Having 2 machine gunners and havng like 15 people on board can make assaults alot more effective

[thorny yoke]

Allow them to carry a tank or apc faster

Then we can start talking

[plain lava]

The model exists

I forget the name of the map, but the snowy one with the carrier for US

[thorny yoke]

Say what

[barren hound]

Its the one that is a spawn point

Iirc

[thorny yoke]

Oh right yeah

[barren hound]

The isle i think

[thorny yoke]

I remember

[plain lava]

There's two at the spawn point, so just need to turn them into drivable vehicles

[barren hound]

Tru

[thorny yoke]

Yes

[plain lava]

Also makes the case for hovercraft

Something between an APC and armored car that's also amphibious

The APC still suffers from getting stuck very easily

[barren hound]

I would like if this came after tanks and apc got some tweaks or rework

[plain lava]

Big part of why I've advocated for changing to tracked APCs since the tank often does fine with getting out of terrain spots that totally trap the APC

[barren hound]

Tanks already suffer and just can be effective playing passive

[plain lava]

Yeah, tanks and APCs need significant buffs to encourage people to not base camp

[barren hound]

Altough as a morale and making people push a objective it is something they have a tendecy to do even by accident

Miss that bastard with a tank charging foward and like 20 people following behind it

[plain lava]

As a tank main, this is incredibly noticeable

[barren hound]

Only for it to get destroyed 10 seconds in

[plain lava]

An opportunistically aggressive tank can totally break a stalemate

Lots of people will switch off of engineer if they don't see a vehicle for a long time

[barren hound]

Seeing a heavy tank just say fuck all, activate smoke, and charge in while killing and destroying buildings makes everyone just straight up charge in union, almost lile everyone is communicating

[plain lava]

Tanks as demolition tools is never used enough

You can crack open buildings and get multi kills as a result so easily

[barren hound]

Is funny when you are doing so well as a tank and you notice eengies are becoming more common for some reason lmao

[plain lava]

Dude it's so funny

That's when I know I'm making a difference

[barren hound]

If friendly enginners with repair tools werent that rare i could see tanks becoming alot more viable

Or just having the ability to repair it while inside

[plain lava]

It's even better when your squad is hogging all the vehicles and using them in coordinated pushes and rotating for each other between shots

[barren hound]

Still got to see that happen to me

[plain lava]

It's lonely out here

[plain lava]

It's been a long time since I've had my old group together to do that, but it was tons of fun

One of those things where if you apply even a little bit of real life armor doctrine, you completely change the flow of the game and increase survivability by a ton

[barren hound]

Any ammount of teamwork in a casual setting can win games

If somehow 2 squads start doing it, its basically a win for that team

Even 1 squad can have a massive influence

A squad on tanks and choppers wont even lose a single game unironically

[plain lava]

One squad holding a point or distracting multiple enemy squads by harassing a point behind the lines makes a massive difference

You suddenly tie up 20% or more of the enemy team and allow the rest of your team to go wherever they want

[barren hound]

Met a random guy on this map

Probably in his 30 and a dad, dude just started doing call outd and shit

We basically held C for 10 minutes against 2 squads

[plain lava]

That might have been me

[barren hound]

One squadmate left he woild retreat and we would spawn on him

[plain lava]

I sound old af

[barren hound]

Hope so
Was really fun playing to win and somewhat more teamplay

[plain lava]

I make call outs even if nobody on my squad listens just in case the people around me hear it and act on it

It's a total coin flip but sometimes the results change the game

[barren hound]

I rarely do outside of taunting my enemies

The times i do is calling out flankers or snipers

Tanks aswell

[plain lava]

I've learned taunting usually gets me killed in an incredibly embarrassing way within the next 10 seconds

Just keep my mouth shut

[barren hound]

It does create some funny moments with me, killed a guy from behind with a pistol and called him shit, immediatly i run into a mine he put on the ground

[thorn forge]

wucanit benou?

🎷

[barren hound]

Just said for him to shut up and we both laughed

[hasty elm]

wucanit benou?

Update: 🎷

[patent pumice]

what does that mean

[honest igloo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jf0l4r3ilU

did they keep 'update is half way done'

they did 💀

4:50

[patent pumice]

"For example, footsteps [...] we realized there are ways to make the footsteps even better [...] we had to tell [the studio] three weeks ago"

The footstep change in question: #dev-wip message

Larry said they can "half-ass it" in 2 weeks. If this is the difference between half-assing it and full-assing it just release the update right now and fix it later.

a THREE WEEK delay for a completely imperceptible change

[thorny yoke]

It was clarified by termi that apparenly oki meant that footsteps are 50% done

Not the update itself

Would explain why larry and termi were originally confused by what oki said

[honest igloo]

ahh

man he should write a script or smth

have to rewatch couple of times to understand him

[topaz niche]

💀

Devcast fooled us once again

[patent pumice]

I dont believe that

[honest igloo]

i made this xd, but it really sounds like the update is 50 %

[patent pumice]

I would believe if he meant specifically about all of the changes that get new players used to the game

[thorny yoke]

Just saying what termi said

[patent pumice]

but he didnt even mention footsteps before he said that

yeah all im saying is that termi is probably wrong

[thorny yoke]

Dunno what to really believe

[patent pumice]

yet another miscommunication between them

[thorny yoke]

Idk even larry was confused

Hang on lemme find the messages

[patent pumice]

What I dont understand is why there hasnt been an official announcement / reddit post that clarifies what he meant by that. Surely terminal can just ask him directly wtf he was talking about.

[thorny yoke]

#battlebit-eng message

[thorny yoke]

Yea there prolly should be a post abt that

Albeit terminals internet broke down or something so he couldnt clarify it even here

[barren hound]

I remember someone pointing out this happens with oki

Were says something but everyone is thinking he is saying something else

[grizzled sparrow]

rather would have update out and fix later than wait for big update which turns out to be bugged to hell anyway

[barren hound]

https://tenor.com/view/six-months-6-months-6months-meme-venom-gif-6502377730402637016

[barren hound]

When you wait almost 6 months for a update anything is fair game

[cosmic rapids]

Mfw remove the islands and don't have the objectives 2m from the waterline

[high elbow]

I agree with that I just want the sound update for walking and shooting and the current version pisses me of

[cosmic rapids]

[barren hound]

Mfw half of the map is just desert that no one goes to venture

Not even snipers bc the islands exist

[left lily]

if I actually have the time to finish writing and editing my recon video before this update comes out I will probably drunk stream battlebit in celebration or something idk

[granite forge]

[heady jetty]

well, I'm watching and rewatching and kinda see the perspective of "current game is 50% of the way towards new player accessibility" but it feels like a stretch
Still, if Oki says that's what he meant, then that's what he meant, shrimple

[ripe oyster]

Indeed Oki meant „50% Footsteps done“

[heady jetty]

Please get a script tho starting by saying the game is 50% of the way and then listing 6 or 7 different features that are unfinished or unimplemented does not help the allegations

like it took more effort to see the intended message rather than the one laid out and built on by subsequent stuff

[ripe oyster]

When Oki starts talking, there is nothing stopping him

[patent pumice]

Then why did he say "for example, footsteps" and then after he was done talking about footsteps also mention feedback when getting hit?

[ripe oyster]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

The only thing I know is, that „50% game done“ was a mistake from Oki and we should clarify that he meant footsteps when there are misunderstandings

[tawny fern]

Yep they said mid april and it is way past that so that means new update 2025

[grizzled sparrow]

we are currently mid-update by april

blame it on oki google translate

50% cooked

[tawny fern]

Lmfao

[cosmic rapids]

50% cooked from the guy who dropped month delay for doors

[signal moss]

why is there no post about it then?

[thorny yoke]

They forgor

[obtuse rover]

I hate it when they forgor 💀

But sometimes it just happens that you forgor something

[signal moss]

if only it was sometimes

it's rather that they sometimes don't forget

[thorn forge]

Lest we forgor

[barren hound]

Who?

[ripe oyster]

This followed after the dev stream #dev-wip message .
Also in some discussions on this discord Terminal confirmed that this was a mistake on Oki‘s side. I don’t know why there was no official announce that this was a mistake?

[stark oyster]

why cant you ask them to do so

it's a big issue yk

people are getting the wrong perception of the game

[signal moss]

okis post is just an information with no link to the discussion (he didnt mention the 50% anywhere its just an update post) and termin posted a msg in bbr eng that got drowned seconds later and a comment on reddit on an older post. I bet 80%+ of ppl didnt see or even know about those

and honestly its not a one time thing that ppl expect sth from termi that either doesnt come at all or comes late af. Idk if termi gets paid or not but if CM is his proper role he should do more or you guys should get a proper CM

[stark oyster]

people are just shitting and karma farming on a "dying" game

[ripe oyster]

I‘ll ask

[stark oyster]

to my knowledge termy didn't even catch the 50% phrase and some bloke said it and the whole forest went ablaze

and thanks to some kancii in reddit who just wanted to spread the word, he made headlines and topped the subreddit, killing off people's hopes and everything on misinformation

[barren hound]

Does karm has any value on reddit

[stark oyster]

to some people

[barren hound]

Jesus

Thats sad

[barren hound]

Also true

[stark oyster]

karma=respect higher status or smth

it's like internet points

more the better

and people take advantage of that, it's all over reddit

[barren hound]

It should be really top priority to actually come clean on what you mean, i think a steam post like project zomboid does would be a good way to do this right now

" hey we have this in mind, the update is close to being finished, just needs to do x and y, and sbout that misinformation being spread"

[stark oyster]

oki and the Devs aren't doing anything wrong, heck I even still respect them for working on a game that their own community hates them on

it's just how they communicate with the community that went disastrous

[barren hound]

Tbh for me it is just lack of communication and how sometimes they change stuff for the sake of change

[signal moss]

it wasnt just reddit discord was full of it too because almost everyone understood it that way. And idk why terminal thinks it was clear that oki meant footsteps since that 100% was not what he said onstream

[barren hound]

Like we have this whole beta tester and isnt being used

Removing some from #1170727258537865367 alot of them have really good changes for some mechanics yet it is rarely show interest

[stark oyster]

I admit that oki despite English not being his first language shouldn't have made that mistake, however people can't just, yk.. it's fricking frustrating

[signal moss]

not sure what you mean?

and english isnt his first language afaik?

[stark oyster]

sorry typo

[stark oyster]

people just jump to conclusions

they can't think for shit

[signal moss]

oki literally said "right now we're at half it's not bad but it's not at the same time properly done" and nobody bothered to correct that

[barren hound]

True

[stark oyster]

that's true

but if you just like

[signal moss]

larry even said right after the stream that that wasnt correct in a patreon vc

[stark oyster]

sit there for 5 seconds and think about it

what could be so big that it takes another 50% of the update

[signal moss]

but he also didnt correct him

[stark oyster]

I don't think Larry caught onto that, heck neither did I nor termy

[barren hound]

We dont know but people are kinda tired of waiting, and some of the controversial changes just puts more into the fire

[stark oyster]

I just interpreted it as what I believe oki meant to say as footsteps being 50% done

[signal moss]

he said a few seconds later that they have to wait like 3 weeks for the sound files from the studion. Given that context and him adding new things every devcast doesnt make it that surprissing to need a few more months

[barren hound]

Like alot of people are already in the mindset that the game is dying or that this update will be shit

With it can be true

[signal moss]

he literally said that 50% is not correct?

[stark oyster]

we all are tired man

[stark oyster]

he said half

[signal moss]

which is the same?

[patent pumice]

Idc what anyone says, Oki did not mean to only talk about footsteps. He literally said “for example” after he said they were half way done, then went on to list two things

[barren hound]

What were they

[stark oyster]

you still haven't answer me yk

[barren hound]

Tired to check the video

Work aswell

[patent pumice]

Footsteps and the sound of getting hit

[patent pumice]

What question havent i answered?

[stark oyster]

what could be so big that it takes the other 50% of the update

[patent pumice]

I did answer that question moron

you just didnt read it

[stark oyster]

well too bad you mind repeating it here

[patent pumice]

I actually answered it twice

I wont

[stark oyster]

wow okay

[barren hound]

It could be like "these are also half way done but the update itself is close to finish, we just need to complete these"

Honestly dont know, my english is probably just as bad as oki

[patent pumice]

I think he meant that the types of changes like footsteps, nade indicators, sound of getting hit as a whole are half way done

Things that are directly meant to hand hold new players

[barren hound]

Ah

Got it

[patent pumice]

And terminal thinks that oki meant only footsteps probably because he asked Oki some non specific question, then oki responded by saying “Yeah I only meant footsteps” when he really meant “Yeah I only meant things like footsteps”

[barren hound]

Aint gonna lie if is just that left for the update to be 100%, i give it a month or mid june

[patent pumice]

Who knows

[heady jetty]

Hey, poster here, it wasn't bc of reddit clout but bc Oki was insinuating that basically everything under the sun needed to be added and/or wasn't finished, like sounds for explosions

Miscomm or not, what it sounded like and the time it took to clarify was no bueno, and taking months (insinuated by 50%) to add drone indicators, stat screens and other fluff was wholly ridiculous

[heady jetty]

not to mention Larry did catch on to it but was stunlocked into not saying anything (patreon vc)

[tawny fern]

Yeah cause they screwed up and maybe don't wanna own up to it?

[heady jetty]

Idunno I think it was just another miscomm that they wanted to sort out behind closed doors

Wouldn't be the first

[granite forge]

no, its not. Your statement is just plain wrong.

[uneven grove]

Interesting how you guys apparently know how our internal meeting went.

Why is it easier for you guys to believe that Oki worked on the update for 4-5 months only to be 50% done with it and then miscommunicate to Terminal that he was talking about footsteps, rather than than believing that he actually just meant to say that the footsteps were halfway done on the dev stream instead of the update in its entirety?

Just take our word for it, don't assume we had some internal miscommunication until you have a reason to believe that. It's misinformation and adding fuel to the fire for no reason whatsoever.

[signal moss]

why hasnt it been publically been addressed yet? why do ppl still need to search for it / get told by other members of the community?

and why did it take 2-3 days till it got solved at all?

[honest igloo]

He should have a script or something

His heavy breathing sounds like he hates being there

[zealous egret]

his heavy breathing sounds like he's in pain

and larry mentioned him picking up pain killers again on a dev stream (not devcast) which is quite fucking concerning

[honest igloo]

on that fentanyl ojojojoj

[uneven grove]

You said that as we were working on that

it's done now: https://www.reddit.com/r/BattleBitRemastered/comments/1ch2m9a/development_update/

Here now as well: #bbr-news message

[hasty elm]

Womp womp, free karma farming on reddit goes brrrrr

[patent pumice]

Obviously you havent actually read when I explicitly said I thought he meant numerous times. I never said I thought he said the update was half done after terminal’s clarification. I simply said that Oki’s words in the devcast were talking about more than just footsteps. There is not a dicotomy between “Only footsteps” and “The whole update. I just think that its more likely that Oki misspoke when clarifying to Terminal than it id for that entire ~minute long section of the devcast to be a misspeak.

Regardless, this entire argument is all semantics. The only real value that comes from it is that you guys get input on how these misunderstandings come to be so you can avoid them in the future.

[signal moss]

appreciate it

[heady jetty]

we live in a society

If devcasts are clearer and structured and update comes out in less than 4 months I win

[cosmic rapids]

Why is it easier for you guys to believe that Oki worked on the update for 4-5 months only to be 50% done with it and then miscommunicate to Terminal that he was talking about footsteps,
Month delay for doors + 80 minute sound showcase + 3 day for PSA

like fuck id believe anything else before the psa

[grizzled sparrow]

[hollow inlet]

You assume I watch the Dev Casts 😎. Joking aside if the dev team posted regular updates to steam and such - or even put the dev casts on the - this probably wouldn't have been a problem

Like terminal's summary was great, let him post that lol

[fast willow]

might not be may anymore people

[fast willow]

Oki needs to plan out a script instead of winging it and misspeaking (only to then say it's a misspeak/confusion type of thing) if he doesn't want players to draw their own conclusions based on what they see/hear

"Just take our word for it, don't assume we had some internal miscommunication until you have a reason to believe that."

Hard to believe in a "trust me bro" with so much "oh wait that's misspeak, ok now this is getting delayed, ok now we are doing this and that even though I asked my community and they mainly said they weren't a fan of it" etc. That signals an internal struggle to me, personally.

Others may draw their own conclusions but if oki appears to be uncertain about what he wants the game to be on the devcasts, would it be wrong to assume the very things you don't want people to assume/jump to conclusions on?

With this in mind imo, it might not be a bad idea to get terminal more involved with things like devcasts and plan out some sort of script to minimize things such as missspeaks and uncertainty. I know he's been posting updates and the like as well, I don't see the harm in letting him be a part of said dev casts?

[tawny fern]

#bbr-news message About time, still dont agree with most things here.

[plain lava]

I think the fact you have to ask this tells me that you don't understand how little trust there is between the playerbase and the devs+staff at this point

[tawny fern]

No offence, but last time we took your word of the BBR team, yall absolutely obliterated it up into smoke. When it was misinfo we did not get anything until Termi cleared it up and I have zero clue why it took about 24+ hrs to have it explained. Termi has been and will continue to be a great source for info and clarity as he provided quite a lot of clarity.

I have seen Larry in the thread and not once has it been cleared up (Idk if Larry every viewed the thread or not)

[cosmic rapids]

Waiting for julgers to call everyone entitled for expecting a normal response time

[hasty elm]

Clarification from terminal came 4 days after the dev stream

[hasty elm]

I think he was just pinged here, dont think he even hangs around here

[tawny fern]

Alr, gotcha. Thx for letting me know

[tawny fern]

I am aware of that

[old karma]

I dont like the idea of the nade indicator, they could work around the audio cues for it

[plain lava]

Grenade indicators would add way too much visual noise to the game

Imagine wakistan bridge

[stark oyster]

oh god is just like that pinging nightmare aimbot again

[barren hound]

Literally

It can work on something less than 32vs32 but anything after that can be too much

127vs127 definetly wouls be too much

[tame elbow]

mhm

[hasty elm]

Trophy system has entered the chat

[tame elbow]

Performance? What is that

Plus the smoke stuff imagine that shit on 256 servers 😩

[hasty elm]

https://tenor.com/view/pet-jager-rainbow-six-jaeger-r6s-gif-22816827

[thorny yoke]

Pov: You are on Waki bridge/ Namak in the next update

[plain lava]

Valisk will totally gut perfectly functional maps and remove the original version, but wakistan is still complete shit with no changes since day 1

[thorny yoke]

Thats not correct actually

F point used to be different

On waki

[barren hound]

Waksitan is basically 2fort from tf2

[plain lava]

I think I vaguely remember that

Now that you mentioned it

[old nexus]

Everyone forgets hill and train used to separate yeah

Cant say i think that was a good change tho

[plain lava]

If anything, Waki needs something to do in the middle. It has the same problem as the bay right now where there's essentially no reason to go there and it just gets you killed if you do

Would be neat if there was a water treatment plant or something

Maybe an APC spawn to give people an incentive to hold it

Dusty Dew at least had the big mesa in the middle that gave the map a unique circuit flow where the teams could either chase each other or clash, but there was still plenty of reason to fight over control of that area without an objective

Waki just has a giant hole in the center and nobody goes there besides the odd team doing a risky flank that most people prefer to avoid

Most of the time it's never used

[cosmic rapids]

It's a skill issue you're meant to use smokes

• oki or vilaskis I forgot

[real wedge]

"operation overhaul"
"coming soon"

are they doing it on purpose or what?

trying to kill the game like tarkov l o l

[tawny fern]

BBR beat Tarkov to it.

Lmfao

[plain lava]

Okay but it's STILL empty and boring to cross, even when done properly

It takes up a good third of the entire map

Waki is essentially a two-lane map with a theoretical third that has nothing interesting going on

[barren hound]

Me when there is a entire empty land on the west side of the map

Less risky and can make back caping with squad beacon much more rewarding

[plain lava]

That's where I like to hang out in my tank on conquest and wait for people to try and flank through

[tawny fern]

Mhm

[thorny yoke]

Yuh uh

[grizzled sparrow]

"bump"!

[thorn forge]

As if the dev ever see this

[grizzled sparrow]

bump!

[patent pumice]

Devs sort threads by date posted so bumping doesnt matter

[grizzled sparrow]

bump!

[steep tide]

b

[old karma]

Pump

[grizzled sparrow]

ump

[hollow inlet]

Didn't even pump, I bumped instantly

[old karma]

Bumb

[grizzled sparrow]

@past gate chomb

[tawny fern]

Bump!

Did they remove the fucking bleeding screen thing?

Nice job killing the fucking game devs.

[grizzled sparrow]

bump!

[tawny fern]

Bumpy!