Scorpion will be recoilless in next update, nerf to compensate

[sly lion]

So Skevo is getting huge recoil reduction in next update, while still maintaining super high ROF and dmg. Looks like we're going for pre-nerf Kriss Vector that will kill the game.

Oki please nerf

[tame zenith]

nah let us have fun with it for a week then nerf it

[robust jetty]

noooooo

do not nerf, revert the stupid buff

[sly lion]

reverting is still some kind of nerf tho

[robust jetty]

and keep the fall off the same, it's already harsh

[solemn nova]

If they keep recoil like that it will be busted as fuck

[robust jetty]

yes that's why that needs a rollback asap

[solemn nova]

@sly lion maybe change title of suggestion just in case?

So its more apparent what needs to be done

[sly lion]

hmm

Scorpion will be recoilless in next update, nerf to compensate

is it better now?

[solemn nova]

Yeah

Actually just add recoil too

[sly lion]

Either don't reduce recoil THAT much

or nerf dmg

cuz rn it will be pre-nerf Vector 2.0

[noble patio]

bold of you to assume they will patch within an update

[tame zenith]

ik very bold

[native ermine]

omg beloved evo gets a buff?!

[sly lion]

remove skevo 🗣️

[native ermine]

Recoil less too??

[sly lion]

literally pre-nerf Vector 2.0

[native ermine]

I can grind out gold

[sly lion]

basically no recoil 💀

[native ermine]

How do we know

Was it on recast

devcast

[solemn nova]

yes

my man

[sly lion]

was on devcast, Oki was able to perfectly control it

that just explains how bad it will be

[solemn nova]

that shit got no recoil

[native ermine]

Guhhh

let’s go gang

Evo meta

[sly lion]

💀

[native ermine]

Downvote this thread

[sly lion]

game dead next update 😂

[native ermine]

Keep evo alive

[solemn nova]

yall have been warned

dont dare bitch abouit this later

[sly lion]

yes

I will take $5 per one bitching

be warned

[native ermine]

I’ll pay $5 to get a bitches

[sly lion]

can I see your ID first?

[solemn nova]

bruh what a mf cheapskate

not to mention minor

[sly lion]

fr

[native ermine]

goofy doesn’t care

[sly lion]

will contact his mum

[native ermine]

If you speak loud enough you could get her attention rn

[solemn nova]

his dad too he needs a beating

[sly lion]

🫳 🥛 💥

[solemn nova]

https://tenor.com/view/house-party-belt-belt-spank-gif-11998992

[sly lion]

tbh Skevo rn is high risk high reward gun

(high risk cuz you have to be able to control it)

after update it will be no risk huge reward gun

[pearl garden]

lets pls wait for atleast the tests before nerfing guns

[solemn nova]

i have big concers

if oki can control skevo recoil that well

[sly lion]

yeah

[solemn nova]

OKI of all people

[sly lion]

😂

[solemn nova]

it warrants being worried

actually can someone pull out the clip when he showed old and new evo

[sly lion]

will need vod

[pearl garden]

im pretty sure dmr and snipers will dominate even more next update but ill wait and see for myself first

[crude monolith]

The thing that makes the scorpion non viable isnt the recoili, its the movement speed

I honestly dont understand why they would even want to remove the recoil. Seems pretty stupid to do that when people like the gun largely because of its recoil

[robust jetty]

fr it'll just be a skill less crutch gun after the update

[unreal pivot]

The evo really should have stayed a meme gun, it's already pretty good in capable hands

Removing recoil is going to be worse than the time I got two concussions in one week

[robust jetty]

literally op vector scorpion 2 electric boogaloo

[mint wren]

Nuh uh don’t nerf just watch me

oki will regret it put back the old recoil

[robust jetty]

ong

[unreal pivot]

The vector still has a tendency to out-DPS the M4 at mid range after the nerf, I can't wait to see half the playerbase turn into seething soyjaks over another pointlessly broken gun

Thanks oki

[robust jetty]

the vector certainly does not do that

but i still want my og scoop

[unreal pivot]

It's still pretty good at mid range, could just be aimpunch making it feel like you can't hit them enough when being shot with it

[crude monolith]

You are very much incorrect about that

[unreal pivot]

Never had an issue with it at that range myself

It's still very high ROF with minimal recoil

[crude monolith]

I dont know if you arent good at judging range or if you and I just have a very different definition of good at range

The damage falloff is ridiculous, you wont be doing much past 50m

[pearl egret]

Wuh? They buffing the scorpion?

[robust jetty]

in the wrongest way possible...

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1229125455865708655
this is what we all want don't we?

[unreal pivot]

It's ironic that this patch is supposed to help keep new players while introducing another meta gun that will scare off new players

[robust jetty]

peak fiction

[unreal pivot]

It's beyond tiring that Oki will shoot himself in the foot right after saying he's tired of being shot in the foot

[robust jetty]

oki also hosted a yap- and copecast today

[pearl egret]

I KEEP SAYING OKI CAN'T COOK WEAPON BALANCING. WELL WELL WELL

[robust jetty]

ong

[pearl egret]

Oki should not be allowed to cook regarding weapon balance without supervision

Bro is a toddler in the kitchen of weapon balance

Bro burns every dish he makes

Fraud of weapon balancing

[robust jetty]

"slightly nerfed the as val and hb"

[solemn nova]

Oki so bad at cooking he asked someone else to cook up sounds

[solemn nova]

Its like seeing a weak character actually go through an entire arc to get better only for him to get obliterated the moment hes put to the test next time

[pearl egret]

I mean, they are professional audio studio soooo

Oki is just good at making kebabs with his lawyer and coding the game

[robust jetty]

oki slander's peak fiction

[pearl egret]

Just a bit of humor in these dark times

[solemn nova]

We can all use humor in these tyring times

[stable girder]

Scorpion would just be part of the problem if that's a sweeping ADS recoil nerf, like half the guns would be useless since their selling point was the recoil advantage in the first place

If the values remain the same as in oki's preview that's gonna be a shitshow

[robust jetty]

that too

[pearl garden]

gotta love the dmg drop off when you cant even fight a dmr at 100m

[stable girder]

What's the point of reducing recoil if you can't do shit anyways

[robust jetty]

and they're gonna nerf it even more

[solemn nova]

Perhaps my joke "aw hell nah they consulted EA" when they were talking about how they were consulting more experienced game devs for BBR
Is infact, very real

[mint wren]

thank good the recoil is removed next patch just missing more damage

[pearl garden]

Oki: snipers are annoying
Also Oki: makes sniper even stronger

[crude monolith]

Stupid sweat, you dont get to have fun

[mint wren]

I don’t like fun

[crude monolith]

Also, mastery skins are gonna be 1k because the casuals need to have fun too

Also, C4 going to be removed, casuals cant avoid it

Snipers wont be removed though

[solemn nova]

To be fair you do need 1k headshots for gold after you unlock silver

Which is marginally harder but yeah

[crude monolith]

Depends on your headshot percentage

for me its significantly easier

well maybe not

[pearl garden]

is it headshots or headshot kills?

[solemn nova]

I assume headshots means headshot kills

[scarlet obsidian]

Guns like sg550, Aug that have lower recoil and longer dmg range will be obsolete..
Also will he touch smg ranges? They are quite low to begin with

[crude monolith]

But that wasnt my point, I was referencing the people who wanted the 10k kill requirements for the mastery skins to be lowered originally

[solemn nova]

That was ages ago

[agile yoke]

as per usual chum gaslights people to gain followers

[pearl garden]

he touched scorpion so i guess every gun

[solemn nova]

Should we make a seperate suggestion for not lowering damage ranges

Except for like dmrs and snipers

[crude monolith]

Doesnt matter

Oki doesnt listen to suggestions about prospective changes

[pearl garden]

not like they gonna read it

[solemn nova]

I mean if we bitch enough he may

[stable girder]

Next we remove recoil stats cos every weapon will have 0

[scarlet obsidian]

Vector has like 20m drop off start rn 💀 imagine like 15 or 10 m

[solemn nova]

Who knows

[crude monolith]

No

Just look at the support locking thread

changed literally nothing

[pearl garden]

dunno if he means dropoff will start sooner of if the min drop off dmg will also be less

[stable girder]

Both

[crude monolith]

Best we can do is complain when the update / tests actually do happen, and then hope that he ACTUALLY reverts the changes to what it was like before

Which is unlikely considering his track recorD

[solemn nova]

Well you know how it is

[pearl garden]

ye i got low hopes for the update but ill wait to test first

[solemn nova]

More we bitch, more likely it is to be changed

[unreal pivot]

Are they?

[mint wren]

skevo did not need to be touched at recoil

Skevo just need more movespeed

[stable girder]

First support lock now this, I wonder what more surprises are there

[pearl egret]

Oh shit, our only source is the dev team themselves

And we believed them

[crude monolith]

Basically just look at any currently successful fps and find features that would make sense in BBR

You are now able to predict every single change that will be coming to bbr

[scarlet obsidian]

Well he said assault class will have lower hp, and it will keep the current movement
Idk about engi medic

[solemn nova]

It implies that engie and medic will have more health

Somehow

[scarlet obsidian]

Team fortress 2 mf

[mint wren]

Now I’m waiting my Evo support

[stable girder]

Medic will still be hold bandage / box simulator

[mint wren]

Evo exo

[solemn nova]

Scorpion eco

[unreal pivot]

Make exo armor not wildly inconsistent 2024

[mint wren]

Evo exo on eco

[unreal pivot]

This is what I will run for president on

[solemn nova]

Make bbr great again 2024

[unreal pivot]

Armor as a whole is just wonky, but that's another discussion thread

[unreal pivot]

Mfw I lose the election and BBR dies (please vote for me so that we can save BBR)

[pearl egret]

This is what we get when i'm not in office (balance team)

[unreal pivot]

Send Oki to Guantanamo Bay until he fixes the game 2024

[solemn nova]

This is what happens when you do not listen to proper feedback

And instead do fuck all

[unreal pivot]

The BBR community has at least been very consistent about what the problems are even if there's disagreement on solutions

But the devs haven't fixed even 10% of it without introducing new problems on top of whatever is already there for no reason

[mint wren]

Feedback ?

What is that

[unreal pivot]

Half the time it isn't even a solution, it's a problem that nobody had with the game and suddenly they feel the need to "fix" it

[pearl egret]

Never heard of it

[mint wren]

Sound dogshit

I think is useless

[unreal pivot]

IDC if my particular suggestions don't make it in, but basically none of the major community complaints ever get addressed

[crude monolith]

Oki isnt listening to community suggestions because of new player retention rates. He said they're somewhere in the single digits, when at the start of the game they were aroung 40-60%. He thinks that there is little overlap between the problems the community has with the game and the problems that new players have with the game. This is why we he seems to be largely ignoring community feedback, he's prioritizing new player experience.

What he doesnt understand is that there is actually a huge overlap between new player experience and community complaints.

[pearl egret]

If yall think Oki balancing is the result of any kind of feedback you are wrong. Bro is just a natural at bad weapon balancing

[crude monolith]

Most of new player experience can be fixed by extremely simple, small scale changes. For example making a menu that lists the class passives. Once those things are added to the game, the new players will get used to the game and will largely agree with the wider community on what needs to be addressed. But for now new players are just leaving and they dont seem to be able to articulate why.

[pine laurel]

If anything the game needed more recoil cause nobody used burst or semi-auto over long distance already

with some perks for using those fire modes over doing them manually.

Like less recoil when you have semi-auto mode but in return less fire rate. Or burst always finishing even when you died

[mint wren]

wait but was it the feedback team who said it was a good idea to remove the skevo recoil ?

I would like to know who is in this team to see

[pearl egret]

Nothing like that has ever been suggested, scorpio is the forbidden fruit (not to be touched)

[robust jetty]

1984 nda moment they signed lol

even with someone like ox1 in there i doubt they snorted so much glue

[mint wren]

[unreal pivot]

That's something I noticed as well, I still share many of the complaints with my friends that quit a while back, but I have more skin in the game and actually enjoy the game despite those obvious issues

Oki seems to think looking everywhere but the existing community for answers is going to provide some sort of cure to problems everyone from old to new players have been talking about since day 1 of public release

[pearl egret]

This is just the result of oki being horrible with weapon balance. There is NOTHING MORE TO THIS.

[unreal pivot]

Ultimately this is how devs drive off the committed playerbase and then the game dies anyways when the new players don't stick around because the fundamental issues are never addressed

It's a tale as old as time

Seeing a lot of echoes of how Blacklight Retribution died off

[pearl garden]

weapon balance is not really an issue rn

not a big one atleast

[pearl egret]

We are here talking about scorpion

[unreal pivot]

Devs did a huge fundamental change to the gunplay that nobody asked for after ignoring tons of fundamental problems the community had been discussing for years

Game died shortly after when they couldn't revert the changes

[pearl garden]

it aint doing dmg past 20m anyway

[robust jetty]

it ain't got no recoil anymore

[unreal pivot]

Even very low damage with no recoil is very dangerous

Especially at that ROF

[pearl garden]

80% of ppl are going to kill you with a dmr from 5x your effective range anyway

[crude monolith]

AR not dmr

they already do that with DMRs

[unreal pivot]

DMRs are in a weird spot currently, but the solution of reducing everything else's damage at range is a bad idea

BRs are probably going to benefit the most from this when it comes to automatic weapons

Unless of course Oki nerfs their damage over range to be comically low as well

[robust jetty]

yay new fal meta

oh wait

[unreal pivot]

As it stands, the AK-15's recoil is stupidly high for the caliber it has

It's not even really a battle rifle

Idk if you can even really say there's a battle rifle in Soviet to modern Russian infantry weapon design at all

[robust jetty]

goofy ah feedback team

or oki

who knows at this point

[unreal pivot]

7.62x39 is NOT going to toss your gun around like that

[unreal pivot]

The feedback team is on ketamine or something

[robust jetty]

7.62x35 (.300 blackout) on old hb or 9x39 on old val

[robust jetty]

smoking that high quality zaza

or whatever joe biden was yapping about on yt

[unreal pivot]

9x39 has next to no recoil because uhhh it's a subsonic round

[robust jetty]

buthanese dark shadowgarden or some shit

[unreal pivot]

I genuinely think swedish devs have some kind of mental block when it comes to making sense of gun balance or reflecting the slightest bit of reality in the guns they choose

[robust jetty]

same for .300 blackout...

[unreal pivot]

Yeah lmao

[robust jetty]

oki's turkish wdym

[noble patio]

turkish 💀

[unreal pivot]

High damage with significant damage fall off and minimal recoil would make them gooder

[unreal pivot]

Even WORSE

Name one good Turkish gun (you can't)

[robust jetty]

mg3

oh whoops deutsch

[unreal pivot]

That's German

[robust jetty]

yeah we exported some in the 70-80 i think

[unreal pivot]

There's a reason why Turkish import guns in the US are called turkshit

[robust jetty]

lawy's german and vil is uhhhm a bri'ish immigrant from belarus

[mint wren]

Turkish

[robust jetty]

wdym, kebab?

[mint wren]

Kebab is good asf

[robust jetty]

i'm german, no need to tell me that lol

[unreal pivot]

Yeah until fairly recently, Turkish guns were just licensed clones of German guns

But they were always rather inferior to the German and Spanish made versions

Mostly just really cheap materials and inconsistent build quality

[robust jetty]

idc, if it's an mg3 i'm happy

brrtt

brrrrt brrt brt

[unreal pivot]

The MG3 is kino, but I'm a big fan of the Spanish 5.56 version

[robust jetty]

not the same gun

not at all

similar but very different

[unreal pivot]

This is the Ameli, but it was heavily based on the same design

The Spanish licensing around German designs is weird

[robust jetty]

ik but it uses different mechanisms in a lot of places

[unreal pivot]

Yeah, they did something similar with a 5.56 version of the G3 as well

Which is significantly different than the 5.56 that HK made based on the same platform, but they were both based around the G3's roller lock design

[robust jetty]

also, iirc it didn't work that great either, lots of feeding issues and jams and such

[unreal pivot]

Yeah it's not nearly as well regarded as the MG3, but I like the look of it

It has that funky retro euro gun thing going on

[robust jetty]

same

[hardy ore]

1. Make cool game with unique feature that people have come to enjoy
2. Remove it for no good reason
   Certified OkiBrain moment

[wooden hemlock]

Howdy Lucuma

and personally I feel we should wait out this abit

give it a week or two to stir

[craggy blaze]

this game has barely any recoil its really just pull down and some weapons have some horizontal recoil that shouldnt make you miss shots up to 50 meters

[crude monolith]

Oki really should have stopped at the medium scopes

[pearl egret]

Oki really should have stopped at solo balance attempts

[hardy ore]

I'm not against "don't knock it until you've tried it" in principle, but some changes just feel unnecessary. Wasn't F2000 already filling the role of high RoF low recoil gun? The changed to the Scorpion as described seems like it's just going to flatten weapon diversity for no good reason.

[solemn nova]

Now every gun is low recoil, yay

[chilly sable]

Fuck it im joining the doomer ops and using next “cheese gun”

[pearl egret]

Gold guns are cheese guns

[sly lion]

I just want to unlock 1500 kills asimov skin on all guns

[wooden hemlock]

I get where you are coming from, but I still feel it won't gel , similar to when support got battle rifles and everyone when "EVERYONE WILL USE IT, IT WILL BE SO OP!"

[mint wren]

Skevo don’t need new recoil

Skevo need movespeed

[robust jetty]

preach man preach

[mint wren]

Make ok buff ❌
Make stupid buff ✅

[robust jetty]

Make ok buff ❌
Make stupid buff ✅

[pearl garden]

Make ok buff ❌
Make stupid buff ✅

[solemn nova]

Make ok buff ❌
Make stupid buff ✅

[stable girder]

Make ok buff ❌
Make stupid buff ✅

[pearl egret]

Make ok buff ❌
Make stupid buff ✅

[sly lion]

Make ok buff ❌
Make stupid buff ✅

[native ermine]

Make ok buff ❌
Make stupid buff ✅

[unreal pivot]

The problem is support's """best""" armor has incredibly bad ADS, movement, and low mag capacity

[sly lion]

why am I the only person who got clownemoted smh

exo should get way more hp and get legs armor 🤷‍♂️

[unreal pivot]

Exo needs a buff, but armor as a whole needs to be fixed

[sly lion]

isn't it getting transformed into permanent bonus hp next update?

[unreal pivot]

Kind of a boring solution that's going to turn some classes into complete damage sponges

Will have to see how it feels in the beta branch at least

[wooden hemlock]

Why I was telling people prior, it wouldn't be meta 9/10

[unreal pivot]

I liked that headshots in the face mattered because you avoided hitting the helmet

Anything but making the gameplay interesting

Helmets were the only armor piece that seemed to work correctly

[unreal pivot]

If you play more defensively, it can definitely work, but it's not optimal for a support player when the RPK-16 exists and outperforms basically every BR

[wooden hemlock]

true, but the meta has always been aggressive in nature

[unreal pivot]

Support with PDWs would be more interesting

[unreal pivot]

Kind of depends on the map, but yes 9/10 times

I've learned to appreciate smart defensive plays and fortifications a lot more over the last couple months

Lots of very aggressive players will shit their pants and die the moment there's a coordinated defensive effort by one or two squads

Aggressive team play is the real meta though

[wooden hemlock]

true, but equally less people do defenses and fewer have enough buddies to do dedicated defense squads 😦

[unreal pivot]

Gonna mald myself to death if the new update destroys what little defensive play there is

[robust jetty]

because you are giving them the idea to nerf a totally okay gun if it wasn't for the uncalled stupid buff they added to it which not a single fuck called for

yk, an original recoil return is what this gun needs, something i suggested 🗣️ 💯 🔥

[sly lion]

you will get nerfed skevo and you will enjoy it

[solemn nova]

Well as it turns out

They are lowering ads recoil by 20% for all weapons

[native ermine]

💀

turning nonexistant to 80% of nonexistant]

[solemn nova]

Truly incredible

[scarlet obsidian]

XD

tf

[solemn nova]

This is according to haro at least

This means that despite stats being the same guns will control better whenever you ads

[unreal pivot]

AK-15 laser meta coming soon, AK-15 patriots are standing back and standing by

[solemn nova]

Imagine fal and other guns

Christ

[unreal pivot]

It's JUST like the way Blacklight Retribution died

At least they're beta testing it first

[scarlet obsidian]

huh, so guns that have low recoil as a niche ( sg550, f2k, aug ) are kinda pointless?

[unreal pivot]

BLR didn't even get a test phase and they deleted all the rollback saves so there was no way to fix it

[scarlet obsidian]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933351074650259466/998892731252363386/IMG_2663.gif

oki oki

[unreal pivot]

The only way to make those guns matter now is to give them better stats in accuracy, draw speed, reloads, etc

But that's just going to make them meta in ways we haven't even seen before

[crude monolith]

Accuracy doesnt matter because all of the guns have extremely high accuracy to an unnoticeable point

and that's good

[unreal pivot]

Yeah pretty much anything can still accurately hit out to well past 300m

Bullet velocity could be the play here

Less lead at distance

[solemn nova]

Yep

[unreal pivot]

F2000 was just a preview of what every gun will feel like now

[solemn nova]

God i really hope that we are getting to playtest it

[sly lion]

so basically F2000 will be 100% laser

and HK419 will be OP

[solemn nova]

Perhaps he will have the time to change some of these things

[sly lion]

glory to HK416 (cuz it will be renamed)

[crude monolith]

Playtests wouldnt be important if we got regular updates / things got fixed when they were broken

[scarlet obsidian]

nah it can't be for ALL guns
well I hope so anyway
ak74, g36c, hk, all the br's will be super good

lazer

[sly lion]

true

[crude monolith]

Infact I would actually prefer no playtests to playtests

[sly lion]

M4 will be even easier to use

[crude monolith]

ADS recoil with medium scopes will be massively reduced for all weapons

[noble patio]

we’re cooked

[crude monolith]

idk about non medium scopes

[noble patio]

anything atp

[scarlet obsidian]

oki showed the evo scorpion with only irons, and it looked pretty controllable, I believe he said ''visual recoil" will be decreased

witch is..

ah

concerning

i wish they kept the twitch vod

ffs

[crude monolith]

They have it they just dont wanna make it public

But dont worry it will be uploaded to the youtube channel in 2 weeks once editing is finished

[scarlet obsidian]

I should have just recorded the stream and upload it myself

I have to cam rip this shit 🏴‍☠️

xd

[solemn nova]

Im suprised nobodys done it

[crude monolith]

I just read that they're planning on removing mag packing

is that true?

[solemn nova]

Ok what the fucl

Are you kidding me

Un fucking believable

[stoic plover]

Seems like bs considering they’re trying to casualize the game a bit more

[solemn nova]

Ah yes

Lets remove one button press

[scarlet obsidian]

he said most people just respawn, it was used by only experienced players

[solemn nova]

Brus

[native ermine]

wait what

[crude monolith]

No way

[native ermine]

mags will now auto combine??

[solemn nova]

This is pure horseshit

[native ermine]

dude i swear to fucking god

[noble patio]

literally so much easier now

[crude monolith]

The sad part is I totally believe that he would say something like that

[native ermine]

oki is dumbing down the entire game

[noble patio]

gonna drop re anyway

[native ermine]

its now gonna be your generic roblox shooter bro

💀

[noble patio]

yeah

[solemn nova]

Someone ping oki i need a big fucking discusson with him

I aint letting mags be butchered like this

[crude monolith]

If only I was able to watch the devcast so I could see what exactly he said about it

[true sparrow]

@light apex

[crude monolith]

But youre not willing to ping oki yourself 🤔

[scarlet obsidian]

thx for risking it for us brother

🙏

[native ermine]

[solemn nova]

I salute you

[native ermine]

Joever

[noble patio]

[stoic plover]

Idk why y’all are worrying so hard

[noble patio]

should ping term

[crude monolith]

@true sparrow is someone's alt

[noble patio]

at least he reads

[crude monolith]

in this server just to ping oki three times then get banned

[solemn nova]

How am i supposed to talk to him if im gon get insta fucked by the ping

[stoic plover]

If it’s bad as it sound then after update drops and it’s tried and tested it’s prolly gonna get reverted

[native ermine]

thats how we all want to go out

[noble patio]

wait you get ban for three ping?

[crude monolith]

You get banned for 3 warnings

[noble patio]

oh

[crude monolith]

And pinging devs is against the rules again

[solemn nova]

Pinging devs is against rules

Ik some got instantly beamed

[crude monolith]

It's technically against the rules but also not against the rules if you do it right but there's no way for you to know what doing it right means so its basically just based on the mood of the dev you ping in that given moment

[solemn nova]

Pretty much

I wouldnt be taking such risk that easily

[native ermine]

hell i bet its not the devs issuing the warnings themselves, its probably some lurker mod

lol did oki just leave this thread

[crude monolith]

lmao he did

[scarlet obsidian]

but like packing mags doesn't hurt anyone, why remove it?
i feel like he will ditch the current mag system and replace it with generic fps mag system

[native ermine]

😭

[solemn nova]

Come on bruh

[noble patio]

[scarlet obsidian]

oof

[solemn nova]

Switching genres of your game is one thing when you are doing it in like open beta or something

Not early access

[scarlet obsidian]

do it again 🗣️

[solemn nova]

And not like this

[stoic plover]

I believe it’s called early access because the game isn’t in a finished state

If a triple A game dropped rn with the same amount of features as battlebit it would get shit on for missing content and progression

[solemn nova]

Yeah but by the point you enter early access normally youd think you would have established what you want your game to be
And oki is changing it

Like drastically

[stoic plover]

You’re right to say drastic change is bad rn since it alienates the core audience

But I wouldn’t say it’s out of left field or crazy

[noble patio]

the change just needs to make sense😭

it makes no sense from either extreme of the bbr argument

[crude monolith]

I think it's pretty clear that he wants to take the game in a direction that basically turns it into every other fps that's popular right now. Like with all the prospective changes coming in the next update I honestly cant think of anything that makes battlebit unique anymore except voip.

[solemn nova]

Exactly

[native ermine]

Horrible vehicle balancing makes it unique

[noble patio]

all vehicles are glass cannons

except the bh

[native ermine]

tanky and useless

[noble patio]

that shits ass its like a stereotype american fighting against an australian

wet noodle minigun

[solemn nova]

Goofy ahh inaccurate miniguns

[noble patio]

literally na

[stoic plover]

*Aussie v. Emu

[noble patio]

avg bbr players are people on the reddit saying sniper was overbuffed in the last update btw

[scarlet obsidian]

XD

[noble patio]

nnice ban

gg

[native ermine]

todd

[noble patio]

todds gone

[solemn nova]

Jesus christ

[noble patio]

💀

hahahahaha

soviet gone too

[native ermine]

Rip in piece todd and @scarlet obsidian

[solemn nova]

Idfk what to say buh

[crude monolith]

what happened to soviet

[native ermine]

Spammed period

[noble patio]

spam timeout

[crude monolith]

boring

should have done what todd did that was cool

[native ermine]

🗣️ now let us use this image to clear the past

[native ermine]

and oki left the thread once more

[river badge]

Scorpion should do 50 damage up to 400 m

[crude monolith]

No point pinging oki

He clearly knows that the chagne will be controversial and he will only change his mind once he sees how it plays out

[noble patio]

yea no one pinged him with paragraph

just pinged after

so he’s not gonna know what to read

[scarlet obsidian]

lame ass 2 min time out

[scarlet obsidian]

i had relatives in my room and wanted to get rid of that shit out of my screen xd

[solemn nova]

Couldve alt f4 or alt tabbed

But sure that works

[scarlet obsidian]

ye ye, i forgor there was a spam limit

[noble patio]

[scarlet obsidian]

anyway

removing mag combination is questionable

it doesn't hurt anyone, it doesn't get used a lot but its handy

why

[solemn nova]

He tries to fix the problem of "dying is better" by not adressing it and just dumbing down the game because of it

[scarlet obsidian]

i hope he doesn't change the ammo system to generic ammo counter : (

[crude monolith]

Which is ridiculous, because the people who dont like "dying is better" dont die intentionally because they care about their kd

[unreal pivot]

He said he was seriously considering it, but I don't think he made a definitive statement

[crude monolith]

I mean at this point that's true for everything he says about the update

[unreal pivot]

Yeah that's fair

[unreal pivot]

There's also a lot of strategic reasons not to give up and die to respawn faster, but we need to just not address the problem or make incentives for participating in gameplay because uhhh that's too much work so let's completely gut and revamp everything instead

Also the idea of making BBR more like everything else on the market while it has little public visibility is going to make people not care because it's now like everything else

There's no draw to it at that point because it's going to have next to nothing over other shooters besides destructible environments

Whoever said "let Oki cook" needs to nut up and eat the raw chicken we're about to be served

[crude monolith]

True

I think his expectations are too high

This game could EASILY maintain a 5k player base with extremely minimal upkeep from Oki

Like I think if he fixed the major issues and bugs people have we would be at 5k right now, add to that monthly updates it could probably grow to 10k concurrent

[unreal pivot]

The a large share of complaints I hear from friends who stopped playing largely had to do with bugs, gimped class balance, and generally a lack of new content that wasn't just maps

The actual core gameplay was never the issue besides complaints about stuff like lean spamming and certain guns just feeling vestigial compared to others on offer

Although gun balance has changed a lot since the attachment rework

It's just funny how Oki can't seem to get that there's way more overlap between old and new player complaints than not

[crude monolith]

The problem is he's talking to the wrong people. He says he reaches out to NEW players who quit the game, rather than players who played for a 10+ hours at launch then quit the game.

Like he's trying to appeal to brand new players who quit the game with barely an hour of playtime

who say "the game just wasnt for me"

[unreal pivot]

New players who quit the game recently are probably quitting because people like us did a fortnite dance over their dead squad or got called a slur by someone

Guys who played the play tests and then left when early access hit aren't even the same species

There's no point in trying to appease people who just don't like the game as a thing

A lot of people who played 10-30 hours and then quit generally have good things to say about BBR, but didn't see it being worth sticking around for reasons you can find anyone in here talking about to this day

[crude monolith]

It actually baffles me that this is his goal. I'm sure he has numbers on what types of players stopped playing the game, but I really dont trust him to be able to analyze them in a way that makes sense.

[unreal pivot]

The COD players already have COD to play

He's taking advice from people who are already able to out-compete him on every level that are telling him to make a game they can compete with and crush

That set off so many warning bells in my head

It's also equally confusing that you can see all these huge content creators make multiple videos and do multiple streams with the game because it was incredibly unique in its genre, but somehow he hasn't bothered to ask why even the most committed ones eventually just stopped

It's certainly not for it not being accessible enough

[noble patio]

iirc, he told cc's to not make videos on the game and is planning on future marketing campaign. but i might be remembering wrong

and it's not like they wouldn't stop on their own because of lack of updates and events

the only "big" channels still somewhat regularly making bbr videos are bodsta and camikaze78

(or maybe a few others like clippy, but we're talking like big channels that bring lots of views)

[unreal pivot]

The thing is that the new update isn't going to give ccs any reason to stick around when they could go stream or make videos about COD since the goal seems to be COD but bigger now

[noble patio]

imo, one of the only reasons CCs got in on bbr was for twitch rivals and events

oki has no vision for the game

[unreal pivot]

That too, there's been no events or anything in what seems like a year now

[unreal pivot]

That's the most infuriating part, he can't seem to see there's already a desirable foundation to build off of without completely transforming the game for the sake of people who don't want to play it in the first place

It's the same mindset of "we hired people who hate Halo to work on the new Halo games" and now they're shit

[noble patio]

he wants to "lay low" or something before the big campaign, which is understandable because it'd just bring in more complaints if he went 4 months w/o update and every cc covered it

[noble patio]

update slated for late april and still no testing..

[unreal pivot]

If there's no testing and no rollback when it invariably sucks I'm probably throwing in the towel

[noble patio]

i already did. ive beaten the game

done all that i wanted to do in it

[unreal pivot]

I'll give it a try, but given what Oki has said he seems hellbent on transforming the game into something totally different

[noble patio]

made some videos, got my 200 kill game, maxed out player, joined cateat, launched vehicles outside the map, gotten reported for voip toxicity without using my mic for 60 hours...

[crude monolith]

No 300

[unreal pivot]

I was holding out to see if the update was going to be good, but it's more like recalling an item I bought into so that I can be given a different product I don't want in return

[noble patio]

you can take the 300 race

i'm not competing with you anymore

[crude monolith]

oh no

[noble patio]

i might progress on the other account and push for 6kpm but that's just torture

[unreal pivot]

I don't really have lofty goals for my stats or anything, just wanted a game in the battlefield genre with good destruction

[noble patio]

it'd be nice if there was some change but it's being done the wrong way

[unreal pivot]

It would be nice if I could reset my stats since I would probably have a 3.0 k/d right now

[noble patio]

the 3 devs excuse only went so far before the casuals got bored of "roblox battlefield" and left

many of the people that remain in the community, especially the subreddit, legit have not played the game for several months and are making suggestions based off pure emotion

[unreal pivot]

That's the thing, casuals never disliked the core of the game itself, just the lack of updates and bugs staying around for 3-6 months

[noble patio]

and oki is listening to them

yeah

[noble patio]

the rest of the hypotheses for the game death, aside from bigger fotm games like helldivers and the finals releasing, is the "sweaty zoomers killed the game" rant

like no... no we did not...

[unreal pivot]

Sweats can be annoying, but it's only magnified now that the playerbase is small and there's a proportionately higher number

[noble patio]

when oki was talking about vaulting on a past devstream, didn't he complain about the keybind overlap for vault and jump?

[unreal pivot]

So they're running with a false premise

[noble patio]

they didn't kill the game when invasion came out even though they dropped over 300 kills each

all the best players in the game were playing during release but left because of oki's decisions and the actions he took toward the "tryhard" community

[unreal pivot]

The game was dying from lack of content well before sweats became the excuse lmao

[noble patio]

see for example the gromping incident that led to squad lead nerf

[crude monolith]

The flyace incident that led to every lb pilot quitting

[unreal pivot]

I have had friends quit over sweats but like

That was never the only excuse

[noble patio]

on BBC i see the same 200 people every day

and i consistently get over 100 but they never leave because of me

[unreal pivot]

You probably have ran into me a lot recently then

[noble patio]

i play weekends

[unreal pivot]

Same, usually after work and then a lot of Saturday and Sunday

Been grinding up prestige ranks after sitting at prestige 1 max rank since I felt lazy about getting all my guns back

[noble patio]

prestige is incredibly easy to get in this game

and yet people will complain to no end

[unreal pivot]

Yeah, I didn't realize that until recently

I can usually get it done in two weeks or so if I net all or most of the challenges

[noble patio]

can we move this to #battlebit-eng

[unreal pivot]

Yeah

I probably will make a recoil system thread with some ideas of my own when my PC gets back

[mint wren]

Make ok buff ❌
Make stupid buff ✅

[round radish]

Surely it doesn't take 3 months like the val and vector

[noble patio]

5 months of mp7 and p90:

[topaz owl]

i stop playing the game because of the horrid surround sound and audio but this is gonna be another reason if it actually pushes without reasonable changes

[pearl egret]

Alright then, ill nerf those since your goofy aaah is beggin for it 🧑‍🍳

[unkempt rapids]

wait

what about fal chat

none of the guns have hrecoil

is FAL gonna sweep frame 1?

[noble patio]

waiting on ak15 extended B

[unkempt rapids]

we're so fucked

[noble patio]

tbh

honestly m2 gets the med scope buff and lower horizontal recoil

[unkempt rapids]

any gun balanced around recoil is gonna break everything

[noble patio]

= free target switching for days

yeah

it'd be like arsenal "legacy competitive" on roblox

[unkempt rapids]

MP7, Scorp, FAL, (all the BRs)

[unkempt rapids]

arsenal kinda fun tho

[noble patio]

yeah but legacy comp is what happens when everything is free 0recoil

comes down to pure aim

[unkempt rapids]

hell might be lower recoil than some of the ADS weapons on arsenal

[noble patio]

and not on positioning

[unkempt rapids]

the MK14? I think?

[noble patio]

if oki can control the skevo then there's a problem

[unkempt rapids]

the one with the holo sight

[noble patio]

🤷‍♂️

[noble patio]

yeah

and that futuristic vector

[unkempt rapids]

M110 is gonna be stronger than before

what else

[noble patio]

if hes not changing damage values then we really are cooked

[unkempt rapids]

he's changing dropoff

[noble patio]

but raw damage values

[unkempt rapids]

the only way that would be effectrive is if dropoff started at 1 meter

and ended at 40

[noble patio]

i mean this combined with huge hp changes will make engagements outside of optimal range feel horrible

[unkempt rapids]

ya

maybe fal will be new normal?

full circle changes but ergo worse

[pearl egret]

I love it when a dev whom is notorious for bad weapon balancing changes so many guns 😍

So much work for me after my red carpet invite into balancing team

[scarlet obsidian]

[pearl egret]

[chilly sable]

Oki should just not balance weapons without feedback

I say that and we’ll get support rpk/br, m110, or no recoil SMG metas

[pearl egret]

Oki shouldnt balance weapons without feedback fixed it for you

[round radish]

fr

[unreal pivot]

The RPK is nice because we finally get a light support gun that feels like using a light support gun