Weapon Reskin Pattern System

[lavish valley]

so a problem with FPS games is that they add like ten billion weapons and can't consider them all for balancing. also means choosing between stats and style. Basic concept is having 1 base weapon ARCHETYPE, then every weapon is a skin applied on top.

then weapons have your custom camo or whatever applied on top of that. devs add as many weapons as they like w/o as much weapon balance worries and people can choose their weapon more freely.

like come on there's like five M4s and M4 variants you can just maie them the same.

arguably the HK416 is an M4A1 with a suit and tie

[snow carbon]

what ??
are you saying all ARs (or any major category of weapon) should be statistically the same but only contain visual differences?

[clear lantern]

this aint that type of game...

[dapper swallow]

Balancing is not the most important in this game, this is not a competitive shooter, its a sandbox teamplay shooter :b

or at least tries to be

[lavish valley]

depends on how close they are but yes more or less
if Gun A is 5,56 and shoots at 800rpm and gun B is 5,56 and shoots at 800rpm... Do you really gotta try and find another niche for it?

[lavish valley]

i mean yeah but still games that include this big of an arsenal tend to have a habit of trying to find niches and auch for new weapons
and I'd rather that not have to happen
also something something realism bonus idk.

[ashen cedar]

Little late for that lmao

Tho i do agree that with less weapons to balance, the devs can focus on the movement problem lmao

[snow carbon]

what movement problem

[gloomy tree]

Except they don’t “choose their weapon” at all because they’re all the exact same. This exclusively serves to remove player choice.

[gloomy tree]

This is downright wrong. The HK is specialised very differently to the M4. It’s a higher fire rate, faster killing gun with a lot more recoil

[viral scroll]

Honestly rn i cant really think of a gun that does feel samey as some other gun tbh

[viral scroll]

They are doing some things with the movement tho?

Like schorsch said aint the type of game for that
This suggestion just aint for bbr

[lavish valley]

Their cyclic rates are close to the same and the layput of the weapons are near identical. BBR is willing to fudge the numbers a lot, it's fine.

[viral scroll]

I mean

There is a decent amount of numbers to fudge

And yknow its a game

[gloomy tree]

700rpm vs 825rpm is not “close to the same”

[fringe sinew]

vector vs pp19

[tacit sable]

In real life they are actually pretty much the same. BBR just does whatever with weapon stats to have different niches. His point is that you can add a lot more weapons by having them just be skins and letting those be applied to whatever set of stats seems fitting for their given niche.

[snow carbon]

Then the game gets boring because there’s no variety between weapons

[gloomy tree]

His idea definitely implies much less statistically different weapons than there are now. Firstly because he implied one for each archetype, but secondly because having to remember a much larger pool of gun names where some of them were identical to each other would be impractical, so there would have to be a small set of these gun types so you could remember those and tell what belongs to what intuitively

[viral scroll]

You could have few guns that have a lot of versatility or customization
But i prefer bbr having more weapons

[lavish valley]

...???
There's definitely going to be variety. Heck, given how some guns can just be Definitively Better because people don't want them to be filling the same roles, it might open up those weapons to be more used.

cough F2000

[fringe sinew]

"variety" lol

and there's always going to be a certain meta

[viral scroll]

Thing is you are basically giving people an illusion of variety by just slapping various skins on what is fundementally the same gun
That is not variety that is just lying to the people that you have more guns in a game than there really are

This theoretically could work IF battlebit was a specific type of game and had boatloads upon boatloads of customization, of which it has none

[tacit sable]

They already lie about teamwork and communication mattering, what's one more lie

[viral scroll]

To be fair you cant communicate if people just refuse to do so

[lavish valley]

Given that the game is planned to have a considerable roster of weapons, I'd honestly say it'll encounter what Phantom Forces and Call of Duty did soon enough. Like, outside of adding gimmicks by the dozen, you're gonna hit "well these two guns have stat diffs but they're functionally identical lol"

[minor creek]

or the dreaded "hey these stats are very different but stop being effective above and below a certain point"

[fringe sinew]

"these 2 guns have the same stats and are functionally identical"

not like that's the suggestion or anything

[lavish valley]

shrug
One system wants every gun to be different. It gets here in the end but also has a couple busted and a couple junk weapons. "I love the style of this gun but I also don't like playing with a hand tied behind my back."

How many times has that been heard before?

[fringe sinew]

well you couldn't know

but i used the hb for a solid 800 kills before it got its buffs...

i also used the ultimax before its buffs

people use the f2000

people use the scoop

you're talking bs

as long as everything is viable with certain playstyles and for certain people, people will use everything

[lavish valley]

I know that person. I'm them. I love the vibe and sound of the funny spacegun but why does it have to suck?

[fringe sinew]

there are people who use it because they do good with it, not because "haha funny sound"

[lofty epoch]

badger mentioned 🦡

[fringe sinew]

what you are suggesting will completely kill any sort of variety in guns, will force people into an incredibly unhealthy meta and no longer allow for individual players to use a unique gun that suits themselves best

and love 'em or hate 'em, but the feedback team did do their fair share of balancing for the devs in a way that benefitted the game

[tacit sable]

You wouldn't be able to entirely avoid balance implications of different weapon skins since BBR guns actually interact with nearby terrain, so having a longer model would be less advantageous in CQC. Also, the bipod is quite finnicky and some guns have a much easier time getting it deployed.

[gloomy tree]

I’d rather have a couple of junk weapons than a fraction of the weapons existing.

And “junk” is an exaggeration as for literally every weapon you can find a couple of people who’ve convinced themselves it’s really good

[lavish valley]

Imo the bipod part seems like just a general consistency issue. Please doki, I beg. allow our soldiers to have longer bipod legs