Setting a date for the update is necessary at this point...

[carmine fractal]

It's been months, and the anticipation is turning into frustration.
The developers' social media teases and the occasional breadcrumb of an update in the forums have been the only lifelines keeping the community's hope afloat. Discussions and speculations fill the forums, each thread a mix of excitement and exasperation. It's a testament to the game's impact, how eagerly we await any scrap of news.
But as days turn to weeks, and weeks to months, patience wears thin. The silence becomes louder, and the lack of communication grows frustrating. It's not just about wanting the update anymore; it's about the feeling of being left in the dark, the growing fear that the update might not live up to the mounting expectations, or worse, face indefinite delays.
I find myself checking for updates more out of habit than hope now...

[north flare]

Tbh a rough timeframe would be nice

Like at least that

[tall grotto]

Same, Agreed

I'm glad that it's not just me seeing this

[turbid dune]

They previously attempted to set dates which were not met, which was met with additional crys of "incompetent devs". If you dont have a reasonable eta, dont provide it.

[sacred violet]

Maybe update of the update-progression graphic:
#battlebit-eng message
coming soon

[tall grotto]

True, but if you don't know and say you need time, give yourself an extra month in advance

[turbid dune]

Larry and terminal are both traveling this week, so theres no dev cast, but there will be another one on the 30th. Larry has been doing weekly streams where he literally works on the models for the coming patch, terminal talks about pending changes in discord and on stream.

I also want patchie, but ive been on the other side of pending fixes and changes and a delay or lack of eta isnt for fun or to string people along, generally there just isnt a better answer.

[tall grotto]

Yeah and the more it is said, The more people become inpatient and ask for time frames.

[turbid dune]

Terminal said he would discuss it with larry yesterday. Nothing since then

[tall grotto]

Bet

[turbid dune]

#battlebit-eng message wuhpow

[north flare]

One of the reasons it wasnt met iirc was cause according to termy the scope of the update just kept expanding

[tall grotto]

Dayyum

[turbid dune]

Scope creep my beloved

[north flare]

Like they went to do like a sound patch, which takes time since they hired someone to do it for them

And there were delays? Idk

[turbid dune]

My current understanding is a third party was paid to record all the sounds and they happened to be complete right at the end of the year. That landed right along side the business restructure because they had to make fundamental changes.

[north flare]

Then they realised they needed better animations for said sounds

And it just kept going

[turbid dune]

Then oki had to figure out how to make the game performe with that many sounds, then the animations really didnt fit anymore.

Ontop of all the other previously planned content and changes. I aint no fortune teller, but my guess is this will be one of the largest stints witho out changes for bbr for a very long time.

[sacred violet]

One thing i never understood is why did Oki made sound changes...right before implementing and changing the sound from what that company gave him

[turbid dune]

my blind guess is, he didnt know other wise he wouldnt have spent the time

[sacred violet]

if that is true then that is bad

[turbid dune]

Yeah, its not a great situation for anyone

[sacred violet]

But the latest sound changes were controversial to say the least

[tall grotto]

Like the FaceIt AC which never came and people exploited EAC bans by using perms which should never be allowed and should have never happened.

[turbid dune]

They were, and oki has been very transparent that he fucked up

[sacred violet]

Also why does BBR not issue Steam gamebans? Might as well mark their profile

[turbid dune]

I know nothing about that radio bunny, but it sure sounds like a lot of conjecture to me.

Something in my brain says thats been asked to the devs and i dont exactly remember why not. Imma save that for the next dev stream to ask

[tall grotto]

The EAC exploit has happened and I brought it up to T&S yesturday

[turbid dune]

are you referring the two players who had cheats activated in algs? If so, that is a very different situation than an EAC exploit

EAC and Epic Games have confirmed they do not see any rce risks in the software, while respawn has pushed additional security changes out. Nothing points to an eac risk at this time

[tall grotto]

Shut up

[carmine fractal]

i personally think their goals need to be more realistic considering the dev team size, you cant just eat an apple in a single bite

[tall grotto]

Agreed

[turbid dune]

Because I feel like avoiding work. What do you view their current goals to be and how do you know that? I disagree with the "be more realistic" statment, but, i mean its a suggestion thread, its all conjecture and random shitpostin anyway

[stuck finch]

Doesn't Larry do models and Vil maps? I think they both put out things at a reasonable rate. Oki seems to be the bottleneck, so I'm not sure how much sense it makes to talk about "their" goals.

[unkempt sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/gabe-newell-time-crowbar-half-life-gif-15650818

[carmine fractal]

perhaps i didnt say it in a clear way, what i mean is, when you want to do something that would take months while you could still work on it while at the same time updating the game with small updates, could have solved this issue, im not saying they arent doint a great job, what im saying is, perhaps next time it should be different 🙂

[tall grotto]

Which things? The one Oki or Larry is doing???

[undone marsh]

At very least give us a list of what's happening and how far along each item is. It's the lack of communication that sucks most. Taking the time needed is fine, being in the dark is not.

[cloud brook]

You don't understand brother, it's difficult to program the most innovative thing in this update, the DOORS

[north flare]

To be fair adding doors is a bit more complicated than it may seem
Like sure i dont think just adding them is that hard, but ya gotta make sure that gamebreaking shit does not happen with them

[royal spoke]

On the other hand, maybe doors only took a day or two and the actual sound system and animation system are heavily taxing

[north flare]

Well it was confirmed that both sounds and animations are taxing

Maybe doors are too

Idk

[stuck finch]

bruh I had forgotten about that 💀 man's truly playing an entirely different game if he thinks that would fit at all

[cloud brook]

C4 to the house and bye bye door

[stuck finch]

yeah I already chuck C4 every time a wall gets in my way anyway, doors are gonna be relevant for all of 30 seconds at the start of every match lol

[cloud brook]

Well that is not something new, since it is a shooter that until recently it was not known if it was going to be arcade or realistic, and since Oki clarified that doubt, it has not made any significant changes to the gameplay haha

[proud hatch]

I'd guess sound update is a big hassle and is taking most the time. idk what's even happening with animations

Koko, another 2-4 weeks should do 🤡

[grim kiln]

https://discord.com/events/303681520202285057/1198239863305146458

[young briar]

That isnt the update ETA

[north flare]

Its literally written in it

Use your eyes people

[carmine fractal]

thats what i was told 2 months ago xD

[young briar]

This

[turbid dune]

And that's why you don't give an eta you can't meet

[fervent bane]

I didn't get into the feedback team, so I would like an update's update at least as consolation smh

But yea no, going from updates every other week to no updates for a few months was kind of wack. Knowing oki the game will probably play completely differently lol

Hopefully it's just a bunch of major content that isn't broken and is fun to mess with

[royal spoke]

they haven't sent emails

yet

I think

[stuck finch]

Who needs a feedback team when they can just make polls in #battlebit-eng 😛

[tall grotto]

Oh, they already chose?

[turbid dune]

They have not, last terminal spoke on the topic there would be rejection and acception emails set out, so no guessing.

[fervent bane]

No idea lmao

[north flare]

Its taking them a hot minute for sure

[tall grotto]

Same.

[stable epoch]

a git commit log would also be cool, even hide the messages or whatever, just tell me how much commits have been made since the last update

or a gitkraken timeline

[undone marsh]

Literally anything is better than what we've got

[north flare]

Mid April lads

You got something

[royal spoke]

haha

maybe

Idk anymore

[carmine fractal]

mid february, mid march, mid april... could also be mid october at this point xD

[north flare]

Tbh they wouldnt have put up an announcement in the game itself this time if they werent sure

[carmine fractal]

i didnt see tho, where should i look ?

[royal spoke]

in game

it's a pop up

I think it only shows up one time when you log in

[reef rain]

Not accurate, ghili recon is actually helping the team in this image

[fiery scroll]

If only every fucking thing else did the same

[royal spoke]

pretty sure it does, or at least is supposed to

disappears after first x

[tall grotto]

Yep after people complained about no update, they finally did it

[royal spoke]

I think releasing it any time after january would've been "after people complained about no update"

I wanna say it's more that they're close enough to being done that mid april is guaranteed

[vivid onyx]

It's not the wait that's frustrating for me, it's knowing that they have completed features ready to deploy, but they're being held back because oki made the decision to deploy everything at once

[royal spoke]

and there are plenty of others who'd nitpick at every detail if the update came out early and sparse

Namely if the sounds came by their own

[fiery scroll]

[fervent bane]

personally idgaf, I just wanted to know about what changes are coming in more detail - or get to fuck around with them early and give feedback before they inevitably go live and are buggy af

[north flare]

I mean they have mentioned that there will be like playtests before it goes live

Like a week or some before it is actually out

To my knowledge they havent backed outta that so far

[fervent bane]

We'll see, we'll see

[vivid onyx]

Good, that's why we're here. That's why we paid for early access, so that we can provide criticism

[royal spoke]

that's why you paid for early access

but not the guy who got a refund after 127 hours because the terms of service changed

[vivid onyx]

regardless criticism isn't bad

[royal spoke]

when it's criticism

and not just complaining for the sake of complaining

unless you want to tell me that not being able to say the n word is a a valid criticism

[fiery scroll]

Surely something gamebreaking or similar won't be found

[crystal basalt]

I think for game of this size it's better to drop bigger updates less frequently than smaller ones every month or so. That way devs can take their time to polish everything to level they're happy with, and not get distracted by issues that happens with rushed and more frequent updates.

This is also better for marketing, as content creators are more likely to try those big updates than smaller ones.

Speaking about these big content creators that helped the game during the release.

[fervent bane]

I the previous update schedule was a little too fast, but now it's a little too long. Really the problem is we somehow get stuck with weird game problems for the longest time

Like I remember support's ammo refill was a bit wack to use when it first came out, but it felt like it was there forever lol. We've been stuck with this bad sound system for a bit. Etc

The whole thing with voting

[crystal basalt]

Yeah tbf I'm surprised sound system hasn't been reverted ever since it was released. Anyway, we're getting a new one soon and I'm excited about it.

And because we've been stuck with the current one for a while now, the update will only be much more appreciated.

[crystal basalt]

What's wrong with voting though? I don't see much of a difference compared to one we had on day 1.

(I mean, there is much room for improvement with the current one, just didn't know they changed it to be "worse")

[fervent bane]

it just got kinda wack for a bit lol

It wasn't changed to be worse per say, but they weren't accounting for some obvious stuff that led to issues

Like random going through every map in the game, including the ones in the vote

Night mode still being busted is a crime imo too

I'm excited for some new changes finally, but hopefully they acutally use that testing system

[crystal basalt]

I guess you're right then. I personally don't mind this system staying as is, or being improved/changed. I usually just leave the game when map I don't like is selected.

This is the problem though, people keep voting on the same maps over and over again, and while it's good thing that players can technically choose what map they want to play next, this makes some maps never being chosen. Same thing for night mode.

Maybe they could improve voting system by making it 3-step, rather than 2-step, and by NOT showing player what options have been chosen until the next round starts.

1. Selecting game mode
2. Selecting map
3. Selecting mode (day/night)
   I don't know if that's going to make things better or worse - you never know. Anyway, prototyping such systems with the feedback team, and later with testers would definitely help with design a lot.

[undone marsh]

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1172239412814430258

[carmine fractal]

sooooooo

how long has it been ?

[tall grotto]

Long while

[vivid onyx]

I think Daft Punk made a song about it in their Discovery album

[tall grotto]

.

[ornate barn]

Maybe a roadmap listing all the stuff they would change in the update and showing us what has been completed and whats not?

[fiery scroll]