#Let us rate our squad members!

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hushed hedge
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Let us rate our squad members positively (and give kudos to enemies who kill us perhaps) at the end of a round. A simple thumbs up or something similar. If we thumbs up/give kudos to someone give some extra XP. If the people are friends don't let them give kudos to each other of course.

I would say rating negatively wouldn't be useful, so only allow positive rating.

Edit: This this wasn't obvious apparently, this is be anonymous.

signal vault
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Hmm, yes. Surely this won’t be abused in a way that negatively impacts the experience for “good” players, or for xp farming purposes

hot veldt
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Medals in the upcoming update are way better than this, this suggetion is usseless.

hushed hedge
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It's like how other game's rating systems where it's just a little bonus. It could be purely cosmetic and only show to players in their stats menu too, they point is to mainly encourage teamwork and such. It can coincide with the medal system - they aren't the same at all

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I'm thinking like OW1 where you could rate a bunch of people in the game and all that

signal vault
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Still pointless cause it would just be people encouraging each other to upvote each other for xp, vs the intended purpose

hot veldt
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Seems like a waste of dev's time, there will be medals already. Don't assume I know what OW1 is because I don't.

hushed hedge
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Overwatch

odd ember
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so a rep system. not the worst idea.

hushed hedge
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Yea, just a basic rep system. It doesn't have to really affect anything, but maybe you could get a little teamwork icon that levels up as you play and get rated. Tbh it's literally fine if everyone always rates someone positively - or can only rate positively

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I've adjusted the post to be a little more clear

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The system might seem pointless, but it's just a nice way to say "good job" to other people and encourage not being toxic passively

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If you've never played a game with a rating system it might not seem useful, but every game I've played with one I've always enjoyed having it more than not personally. Even in a game like intruder that let's you downvote people too, so some have like -300 votes (which is funny)

signal vault
odd ember
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Foxholes "Thank" button

signal vault
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Fuck it OP fails to address valid problems so I’m now seeing this as a BBClown suggestion. We really can just go without it, we already have enough groups hellbent in their ways as it is between discord/reddit/steam forums and the last thing we need is people getting harassed/witch hunted to the point of them feeling unwelcome which technically already happens

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Sorry but we just forget about the flyace situation overnight? Why the hell does everyone wanna repeat it/take steps to do that?

odd ember
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generally you wouldn't have it for "anybody that does anything" you have it for activities that help the team

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maybe at the end of match you could upvote a SL or a squadmate

signal vault
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Hmm, yes. Let’s encourage xp farming, something the devs don’t want. Then suddenly have another system for people to beg to help level up.

Waste of dev time, when you have me agreeing with wezdol of all people… yeah.

odd ember
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yeah 10xp is gonna be used to farm

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yes

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hell if each was 100 xp

signal vault
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Point still stands. Devs don’t want it and medals suits this better as it’s not something that can be abused for xp gains

odd ember
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its not farming you dumbass if its a rep system

signal vault
odd ember
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again you expect 1 instance per end of match, with minute xp, to be abuseable?

signal vault
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Do we need another witch hunt situation? I argue no. Rep systems play a part in this like it or not.

odd ember
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there is no negative voting. how would that matter?

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the game should also not tell you who upvoted you like in HLL end of match squads.

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all the bullshit you are thinking of that could happen has already been thought about and taken care of in numerous rep systems

signal vault
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Others games doing it =/= it would work for BBR

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The second people start realizing this the better.

odd ember
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my man its a fucking rep system lol

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you can thank people

signal vault
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And yet, my point still stands.

odd ember
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no not really

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your point is a generalization that applies no logic to the situation beyond "I don't like the game to change"

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all your other "points" have been found, thought of, and corrected in rep systems for years.

signal vault
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I want the game to change for the better. I just don’t think reputation is the way to go about it in the current state of the community

odd ember
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all you have left is "I don't like it"

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hence a positive only rep system

hushed hedge
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Wtf happened in here

odd ember
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not like siege or someshit

signal vault
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The usual me and devil dog “discussion”

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But I will agree with him on something

hushed hedge
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Guys, if you don't like a passive rating system for just telling people "hey good job" you might be the problem lmao

odd ember
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Foxhole and HLL would work far better because its just "thanks" (foxhole) and you select two Squadmates at the end of the match, and you cannot give a bonus to the same person for 8 hours.(HLL and all it says is "you have been approved" or something like that )

signal vault
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If, there is a way to make it all anonymous like he claims, without all the witchunt bs that we currently have in this community

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Then I’m all for it

hushed hedge
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Wtf are y'all on about

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It's just - at the end of a match - sending a "good job" to someone else on your squad

signal vault
hushed hedge
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That's it

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Not everyone is as chronically online and as disconnected from humanity as some of the people in this discord lmao

signal vault
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Bold of you to assume that doesn’t apply ingame and elsewhere as well.

hushed hedge
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I do not see in any way how just telling people "good job" could lead to anything

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It's anonymous, for one

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And it's literally only a positive button

signal vault
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You literally failed to address this originally. So thank you for doing so now.

hushed hedge
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I added it to the post I believe now

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Most rating systems are anonymous

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It's you thought it wasn't you're being silly 😂

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It'd be literally insane if it wasn't

odd ember
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yeah ain't seen a rep system that has "name has up/down repped you"

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for the reasons that are obvious,

hushed hedge
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And it's just some extra little bonus stuff to say "good job" to your squad or whomever at the end of a round

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You could note that an enemy gave you kudos for funzies though

odd ember
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I do think foxhole thanks (for revives, ammo, healing, transport and the like) and HLL choose two would work great in BB

hushed hedge
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That could be funny/used for salt

hushed hedge
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Point really is that having some kind of system to promote comradery and such passively would be nice

signal vault
odd ember
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ye

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any "other team/name" could start causing problems

hushed hedge
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That's fine too yea

signal vault
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And I’ll just say this for record: reason why I tend to be against stuff like this is cause flyace, my own group at the time (which was raydeo, music playing group), etc. got harassed by people for one reason or another. I just tire of it (as I’m sure you both do as well)

hushed hedge
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Yea this in no way would lead to harassment

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Unless you consider getting extra xp from kudos every game as harassment

signal vault
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Just remove xp but otherwise fine. Devs are against anything that can be abused for “xp farm” (their words not mine)

hushed hedge
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The xp wouldn't be a lot

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Like idk, 100 max?

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Also you wouldn't be able to do it for your friends

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And it's once per game

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The xp is unnecessary ofc, but it's something

mint ginkgo
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great idea

dry kraken
odd ember
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commendation and thanking systems would not be unwelcome, and encourage more team play in squads at least.

hushed hedge
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Medals also aren't the same thing as this suggestion lol

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Those are things the game gives to you, that's different from a player giving you a bit of kudos because they liked playing with you

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Idk how those are being confused tbh

glass pewter
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I don't think anybody is going to use that. Also is that REALLY going to change anything? Counter strike had those for years yet nobody was using that.

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Like, the idea is great but people usually don't care about rating others, especially if they get no benefit for doing so, or by receiving ratings from others.

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Have medals been discussed on a devcast? Can someone tell me which one was it? Pretty sure I missed it and I'm interested what's all that about.

odd ember
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Its not meant to change much, and can be ignored. Just having the ability to thank and commend might help with squadmates to do squad things together. and people do use them if there is an option, Foxhole with it radius for "thanks" coming with a prompt during gameplay helps, HLL squad commend is like you said, but the community always trys to remind people to use it since it is there. There is no downside for having either or both of those systems(or similar to them anyway).

indigo kestrel
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I’m review bombing big bodsta

hushed hedge
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It depends on how it's implemented if people use it or not man

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It's mostly just to encourage some positivity overall. It's nice to sometimes get a "you did great" from your teammates

hushed hedge
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Also, just because YOU don't care about rating others doesn't mean others don't. I actually do like giving thanks and rating peeps

cobalt shell
hushed hedge
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Intruder literally just has a publically visible upvote/downvote system

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and people downvote people who have negative 100 just for fun. It's not something super serious

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It's just a way to have and encourage fun with each other

glass pewter
glass pewter
# hushed hedge Also, just because YOU don't care about rating others doesn't mean others don't....

Played CS:GO for several years and I know what I'm talking about. Neither me nor majority of players cared about rating others. You always check other players' profiles on the start of the match and you could see these numbers were pretty low, despite someone having hundreds of matches played. Their "reputation system" was AFAIK purely cosmetic though, which might have been an implementation detail that led to that.

iu.png
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And we're talking about a competitive tactical FPS... BBR is more arcade than that and nowadays people just play on their own and use squads only for the sole purpose of having more spawn options.

odd ember
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so basically your experience means jack shit. games have these and they work already.

glass pewter
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Except it doesn't really work in game I used for comparision...

odd ember
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CS:GO doesn't work for most things in comparison.

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so anyway, a thank and commend system is not the same as a rep system. so you can stop comparing it to the shitshow that is CS.

glass pewter
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I don't know what this suggestion is about then, didn't OP mention that negative ratings are not going to be useful? What makes it different from the CS:GO commend system?

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The main thing I try to point out is that making such system be cosmetic only makes it effectively useless. And for game like BBR how would you even make it NOT to be cosmetic only?

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There is no matchmaking or anything which could extend the implementation of said rep/rate system.

odd ember
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plenty of ways that have been mentioned but you ignored.

glass pewter
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You mean getting XP?

odd ember
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if you don't bother to read the thread, why bother saying anything using a shit example?

glass pewter
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I'm thinking of actual uses for such system and benefits of maintaining reputation high up. Not some XP for pressing the button.

odd ember
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it is not a rep system

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nobody but you has mentioned a rep system.

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stop grasping at straws.

glass pewter
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I did read some replies, not full thread which is a fair point. And YOU did call it a REP system.

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so anyway, a thank and commend system is not the same as a REP system. so you can stop comparing it to the shitshow that is CS.

odd ember
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notice "not the same"

glass pewter
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I think this is a misunderstanding then - I'm talking about commend system that has been a thing back in CS:GO, not sure waht's present now in CS2 which might be what you're referring to as a REP system.

sullen geode
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overwatchs system gets used regularly and if someone is still lvl one you know he's either new or toxic af

odd ember
odd ember
sullen geode
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no

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they changed that

odd ember
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ah

glass pewter
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Played neither of those games so I guess you guys know this topic better than me, apologize for doing a mess.

odd ember
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Foxhole is literally just a thank button, may give xp but honestly do not know. HLL is end of match you can commend someone for a 10% bonus every 8 hours.(individual every 8 hours, but 2 people every match)

odd ember
sullen geode
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it works that you loose xp every match but gain some by getting commends. If you play with friends they still can't commend you but you loose less xp. So if you have 3 friends in your team you only loose xp for the one dude that is left and not 4 guys

sullen geode
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oh I lied you can endorse friends

odd ember
odd ember
sullen geode
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they changed that a while back

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but ist still not worth comming back HyperXD

odd ember
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eh, might try it again, did have fun despite how broken things were. worth at least a try

sullen geode
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they changed hp and bullet size and killed the game for me

odd ember
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eh. I'll give it 3 games.

sullen geode
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ttk increases a lot in 1v1

hushed hedge
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The system I'm suggesting would just pop up at the end of a game and be like "give praise to x squad member" or you could manually do it on the scoreboard

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I use this in OW all the time and in other games that have it. Not too many games make use of these systems effectively, but for the ones that do it makes it more fun.

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I don't think it matters that it's competitive or arcade. It's a team based game at the end of the day. Rating systems like this are a nice way to encourage friendly teamwork or communication with your team. The system could have multiple reasons for your positive rating letting the person you gave a positive rating know you appreciated something specific

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The game doesn't NEED this system - this game doesn't NEED most suggestions - but I think things like this would be a good first step towards encouraging more positive communication between team members passively.

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It's like how helldivers 2 has little emotes that you can do with your team members. It's really minor, but if you couldn't interact with the other player's emotes you wouldn't feel as connected to each other as a team. It's unnecessary, but a nice little thing

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A tiny XP boost, or miniscule amount of XP, or a medal/badge that levels up with the amount of praise you've been getting would all be good incentives as well if people need one

glass pewter
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I think all your points are valid, although my personal stand/opinion on this is that while existence of such system does not have any downsides, it also is unlikely for such system to provide much of an "improvement" to the team interactions.

Might have done a bit of a mess with the CS:GO comparison part. All I meant was to outline that if in a game where you spend ~30mins with your team-mates closely communicating and relying on each other - and people don't feel a need to use commend/rate system - then it's unlikely going to be better in more "arcade" game that BBR currently is.

Of course it all depends on implementation, but designing such system "the right" way can actually be more difficult than it sounds; and considering the fact that it MAY turn out to be underused, -I think development time should be spent elsewhere for the time being, with a possible comeback to those sort of suggestions once base game features are polished.

Not meant to hate on this suggestion, apologize for earlier replies being unclear/phrased badly.

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I also have not played neither of the games mentioned, so my opinion is based on what I have seen in CS:GO, and what I think could "logically" (from my point of view) happen if such system was implemented in BBR.

hushed hedge
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there's more systems you could add, but this is a good first step