Basically, right now the first three pistols are somewhat useless, or better to say being heavely outperformed be glock. One of the solutions to this might be adding of different triggers groups (smt like sniper bolts) which will affect stats (or not) by wery little amount, and just give pistols full auto mode. Gonna mention that there are autoclickers/scroll wheel fire, but I think the regular pistols should be competitive without such moves. (as balancing, max firerate with such attachment can be reduced)
#Full auto trigger groups for pistols
forest rose
When you say full auto on normal pistols how fast are we talking about here?
south crag
When you say full auto on normal pistols how fast are we talking about here?
Their cap
They have fire rate so
Maybe a tiny bit slower? But that's up to devs
forest rose
Id be down for it if it allowed full auto, but not as fast as the full cap
south crag
Again, the thing is, if they add this, those pistols won't be op, they will just became competitive to glock
ocean needle
The main problem is that all these semi-auto pistols are literally the same, and the one with bigger magazine and better firerate wins (mp443) since they all are 4 shots to kill in torso. They have the same distance, same attachments, nothing unique. And ong just make anti-autoclicker defense, this is too unfair for pistols (and DMRs) at close range
south crag
Dmrs are fine
ocean needle
even stupid ass roblox shooters having defense against autoclickers
ocean needle
Dmrs are fine
SVD with autoclicker at CQB in question:
azure widget
Critics are welcome btw, since I don't see any problems with it
Auto will be OP, but maybe it can be a Burst Fire
forest rose
Having it to full cap would not be good idea
Having it set to a certain firerate close to the full cap would be nice
If you want full potential you can mash left click
If you want practicality you get the trigger
south crag
Having it to full cap would not be good idea
Having it set to a certain firerat...
Sounds wery fair
ocean needle
Auto will be OP, but maybe it can be a Burst Fire
well soon there will be 93r with burst i believe
forest rose
93R lord please give
azure widget
And if you want more auto pistols just put the mouse scroll up or down to the fire comand
Is very powerful
south crag
Doesn't worth it
ocean needle
omg and again here we are
forest rose
Someone should suggest having autoclicker defense and removing scroll bind stuff
ocean needle
instead of making more automatic pistols, its better debuff firerate of current pistols and increase damage
south crag
For regular pistols to just make them work you need to do the scroll thingy
azure widget
As I said, we have glock
The Glock is a low Damage weapon
ocean needle
The main problem is that all these semi-auto pistols are literally the same, and...
@forest rose as i said here
forest rose
Low damage and no range
azure widget
The lowest in all game
south crag
The thing is, things have different fire rates
forest rose
Tbh glock is a dump and run weapon
south crag
Yep
forest rose
Has little variety outside of that
south crag
It is being secondary, does everything secondary need to do imo
forest rose
Fair ig
south crag
With normal pistols you need to suffer and use scroll wheel or autoclicker
forest rose
Its not too big of a problem for me personally
forest rose
I run M9 on engie and support, idk i find it fitting for some reason
I can click real fast so i dont have much issue really
forest rose
But im not against full auto as long as you do what i said earlier
azure widget
At least the other pistols have more damage and a good ROF, I know is very tiring spam the mouse button
forest rose
I'll just check ROF on normal pistols rq
south crag
@forest rose changed the suggest a bit
sacred apex
the full auto would need to be worse than that of the glock tbh
otherwise the glock becomes useless
south crag
the full auto would need to be worse than that of the glock tbh
There are big differences in fire rates. People still use vector, but ump exists
Same thing here ig
ionic hornet
Or just nerf full autos and buff semis. But who am I to say anything 
sacred apex
if you make mp443 fullauto no one will play glock
south crag
glocks TTK is ass compared to what full auto mp443 is
That's why it's said reduced fire rate for balance reasons
south crag
Ye, fair
ionic hornet
Or, just nerf the glock
ionic hornet
It will be shit
Just like before the buff. . . . Right? Oh wait
uncut olive
you already need to hit all shots usually to kill someone with the glock no ext mag
rugged seal
Or just nerf full autos and buff semis. But who am I to say anything <:BBClown:8...
The balance is already there, glock lacks precision and recoil control in full auto, the other sidearms perform way better than glock at longer ranges
south crag
Well, you can also rise recoil for full auto trigger
ionic hornet
The balance is already there, glock lacks precision and recoil control in full a...
It's 100% accurate and recoil doesn't do shit
Accuracy stat is not real
south crag
There quite some ways to balance it
ionic hornet
Last time I checked, once you unlock the glock there's no need to ever look at the secondary slot ever again
south crag
Ye
south crag
Also true
uncut olive
MP443 better glock
sacred apex
three shot kill semis?
ionic hornet
three shot kill semis?
Mayhaps
uncut olive
with scroll wheel
yes!
south crag
All goes into scroll wheel
Which I personally don't like, since you have to do additional things to make thing work
rugged seal
They could just make the shoot command unbindable to the scroll whell
To avoid that shit
ionic hornet
yeah
south crag
Just use glock
uncut olive
They could just make the shoot command unbindable to the scroll whell
eh i could just bind my left mouse to scroll via razer, logitech, corsair, etc brand with spyware i mean software
wide goblet
Just use glock
not enough damage
rugged seal
Then block all of those
ionic hornet
Someone wrote a message to me🗿
ocean needle
if you make mp443 fullauto no one will play glock
Then no one will play these pistols but glock
ocean needle
Someone wrote a message to me🗿
sorry wrong reply
ionic hornet
Replied and got 1984'ed by battlebot
ocean needle
🥺
omfg what happens with my discord
i just want to say
that the game dont need another full-auto pistols, since people will just ose the best one. If they will make full auto conversions which will be better than g18, no one will use g18 anymore. But if they will make it worse, no one will use these auto conversions since there will be better g18
instead its just needed to rebalance pistols and that's all
bit more damage (so at least .45 ACP will 3 shots to kill in torso), bit less firerate and make defense against autoclickers is the most important thing
rugged seal
Less firerate for semi auto? You'll make it worse
M9 was ass when it was shooting slower
ocean needle
Less firerate for semi auto? You'll make it worse
i said more damage
rugged seal
Now it feels better because its closer to its real version
rugged seal
They need to balance that with the real versions + in-game performance
ocean needle
Now it feels better because its closer to its real version
real version? really? so you can spam trigger 750 times per minute irl?
(mp443 firerate ingame)
then why mateba and deagle having such a bad firerate?
people manage to shoot whole 6 rounds in a second irl with semi trigger
south crag
https://youtu.be/KY9vI_EVQwE?si=KYwUvOh-Nv9wMKhz
Posted just to make clear how fast it can shoot
ocean needle
Now it feels better because its closer to its real version
the game is not about "real life"
when in game pp2k having almost twice higher firerate than irl
rugged seal
Read what i said agaim
The real version works differently, yes
But like you said, its a game
Thryneed to balance both
south crag
More damage and slower firerate
south crag
Huh
rugged seal
To balance and give players a chance of fighting back
Deagle has atrocious fire rate so no one can hit the same target many times in a row like irl
Hell, the full auto version is a beast
ocean needle
Slower rate and faster rate
i said literally the same, and you telling me that i dont read