General observations and suggestions

[wild jolt]

Hello everyone!
I'll drop this here, as I'm not sure where else to put it. Fits different categories, some suggestions, and even a few bugs. Just some general stuff I have noted while playing.
Use (Open in browser) to zoom in. You are welcome to ask questions or if you want something clarified. I'm interested in hearing what you think. You have a great sunday!

(Updated: 06/3/24)
https://i.imgur.com/bWl8Rrt.jpeg

Extras:
(Updated: 12/3/24) Shows what i mean about the 'Home & Stats' merge and more ideas: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1211254473566068787/1216456751163904150/SOLDIERTAB3.png?ex=660074a2&is=65edffa2&hm=6b2e41935667e2ddf5142598b855f907a8b4b0b6e2c53b5949b3fbbc4be34e61&

And fyi, i have no doubt many of these topics have been covered. I just notes down what i had on mind while playing 😅✌️(i see vehicles has been deemed a no-go on shooting range etc.)

[molten relic]

Thanks for making such a high-effort post @wild jolt, we will look at it.

[wild jolt]

Thanks for making a high-effort game! Appreciate it

[lunar adder]

The ammo/gun mag
I don’t see a use for since you can press “H” to check how much ammo is in your clip

Now the general UI would be nice for the main menu

[wild jolt]

We had this discussion in the UI feedback thread (https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1138744665538043955)
I honestly don't think that bind is suitable for normal fps play. Milsim/realism most definitely!

[lucid totem]

I mean its not even too hard to guess how many bullets you have in your gun anyways

[lunar adder]

Well it gives the player that option of
Do I have enough in the mag?
Should I reload or not?
Adding an ammo count removes player choice (like removing bleeding effect)

[fervent cedar]

I feel like I have seen this discussion before

[wild jolt]

Yeah, i linked it above lol (in case anybody wanna read it)

[lunar adder]

Casualizes the game too much
Like it’s CODifying the game also

[lucid totem]

True

[wild jolt]

It's not casualizing something that's been in any fps genre by default since always.
Like i already said, where it fits, in realism styled games where it matters. Not in a battlefield game. But that's my opinion.

[lucid totem]

Like i said its not even hard to learn the exact amount of ammo you have in a mag anyways
I can make very accurate guesses on how many bullets i have most of the time by sound and hud alone

[lunar adder]

It is
Most casual shooters have the ammo counter

[lucid totem]

And the mag check exists, which just should be a tad faster for some guns

[wild jolt]

I guess it's just the wording. Didn't think you could make something the new normal (casual) when it's something that's already there.

[fervent cedar]

the mag check is garbage and needs to be reworked to be useful

[lunar adder]

needs more of a faster animation i find

[lucid totem]

Yeah

[lunar adder]

really gun specific tho tbh

[lucid totem]

Yep

Oddly specific

[lunar adder]

also
HD2 has the same mag type thing lol

[wild jolt]

w/e that wasn't the point of the discussion anyway, my bad @lunar adder

But to your comment about:

• Do I have enough in the mag?
• Should I reload or not?

I feel like that's exactly what the counter covers.
From my POV i see it as (Scenario):

• I shot that guy, i have 6 bullets left, should i push or fall back?
• Waves of enemies incoming. Same deal as above.

Instead of the current: "Mmm maybe i have enough ammo, maybe i don't. Who knows lol."

It's usually not fitting in such a fast phased game.
It should be precise information like everything else.

[lucid totem]

Just for reference HD2 is helldivers 2 right

[lunar adder]

correct!

[lucid totem]

Ye ok just checking

[lunar adder]

and thats where you need to guess
is it worth taking a gun fight with one more person and risk running outta ammo
same goes for bleeding tho

[wild jolt]

But why would i need to guess my ammo when i have literally every other information on any other tool/items i have

even vehicles have ammo counters

[lucid totem]

Not all

[lunar adder]

yep not all xD

[wild jolt]

yes minor detail, heli doesn't

[lucid totem]

Armed humvee too has no ammo counter

[lunar adder]

its basically a force disengage mechanic
like bleeding

[wild jolt]

ok we've established 2 vehicles doesn't have it while some has, doesn't change my point

like @eager hearth and I discussed in the UI thread, it comes down to what type of gameplay BBR wants to become. I feel like i read somewhere that it was moving away from Milsim, but I might be wrong.

[lunar adder]

it does feel like its not just moving away from milsim

but what people liked about BBR before
basically neglecting the current community for casuals/new players instead

[lucid totem]

Yep

General bbr gameplay with some milsim touches works, but the new player experience is not the best

And it moving from milsim is something me and many others would really NOT want

[wild jolt]

Thats a rather rough way to put it. I think it hit the perfect market when it comes to my own friend group playstyle, but ofc I can definitely see it being frustrating when it used to be meant for something else. But that's the landscape i guess 😅👍

[lunar adder]

new player exp would be worse if the things in the devcast happen
ie locking new players to support, a useless tac sprint, small boost when jumping off a ledge, even removing bleeding since thats one of the only ways for newer player to kill us tryhards

[lucid totem]

Tac sprint and boost on ledge is something id see for myself before judging

[lunar adder]

well alot of older players left due to the changes that're happening
it hit market fine at release since it had hype
but yeah we all know the playercount currently...

[lucid totem]

But locking players to support and complete removal of bleed is a pretty big nono

Id just rework bleed a bit but not remove it

Not only that, there isnt a good tutorial, descriptions for game modes and most gadgets

It makes it much harder for players to grasp the mechanics properly or even learn them

Hell some people had no idea medic has a medic box

Or that you can brake your car with space

[wild jolt]

Sure, playercount is not insane, but I play on almost full EU servers whenever i play, so I'm not complaining 😁

[lucid totem]

Or that antinade trophies exists

[lunar adder]

yeah but before you could server hop
nowadays you cant really
maybe 1-2 EU servers (depending on the time)

like rn theres only one NA server lol
handful of EU due to it being EU peak

[wild jolt]

Guess thats just how it is, consequenses of changing after the hype wave.
To be fair, i can't imagine trying to adapt to such a large scaled type game from an indie studio being easy to overcome, but that's the beauty of early access.

Also, don't we have a new arma coming in the not so near future? I sure wouldnt wanna compete with the original when it comes out when seen from a small studios point of view.
(I'm guessing it started somewhere in the arma timeline)

[obtuse onyx]

The game is now casual, what are you talking about brother?

Well, for my part, all this is a good idea, brother, that you proposed, and for the rest, well, this only shows what I was saying the other day, any change or mechanical idea they look for even the smallest detail to leave it the same, so we will never move on guys, the game is not perfect, you should know that, but oh well

[lucid totem]

The only point of contention here was the mag HUD proposal, a change that I find unnecessary really. It needlessly casualises the game and the whole mag system. I agree with everything else otherwise. This is just cherrypicking

[tardy copper]

you kill a guy, reload, its as simple as that :3

[wild jolt]

what if there's 2 enemies?

[tardy copper]

https://tenor.com/view/guess-ill-die-gif-9704573

[wild jolt]

Lucky for you the brand new ammo counter saved you, thank it later (insert kappa here)

[tardy copper]

also

you can see your ammo on the right

its not numbers

but you get the general amount which is enough in like 90% of situations

[lucid totem]

Big iron on my hip does the trick

[wild jolt]

Yeah we've discussed this rather throughoutly (see above)

I argue that it makes no sense to have an approx data instead of having the precise info like almost any other gear in the game, or even most fps games (like battlefield) @tardy copper

[wild jolt]

Didn't need it, thankfully i saw i had enough ammo in the mag to come prepared

In a game where 1-3 bullets can kill you, knowing that little extra info on the actual remaining ammo should matter (in my opinion).

[lucid totem]

Not to repeat myself but its genuently not hard to make an accurate guess on how much ammo you have
The mag part of the hud indicating it is very accurate and there are clear sound ques for each weapon that indicate how much ammo a weapon has
Its simply a part of getting good in bbr

[wild jolt]

But my guy, what is the problem with adding additional and/or more precise info instead? What's the downside i guess i should ask of switching it out?

And no its not simply a part of getting good imo. I'm doing fine killing wise btw, and I would still want that as an added feature

[lucid totem]

As it was said previously, it casualises the game and the magazine system.
Despite some numbers on the screen being a common feature in many games, it doesnt mean it has to be in every game.
There are benefits to having the current mag system and a lack of numbers indicating the ammo
It makes players make their shots count far better, not shoot carelessly and manage the other mags. It adds a neat amount of depth to the game, depth which both casuals and hardcore like.
Knowing the exact amount does trivialise the system a lot because if you know the exact amount, it removes a lot of suspense and decision making in a gun fight.

[obtuse onyx]

https://youtu.be/Zmf6jnb_Zmw I liked the theoretical part of the game that you gave, now let's see the practical part

But of course, it is normal to see players counting how many bullets they have instead of simply doing the quick reload.... yes of course

[lucid totem]

You do realise that in the video he also picks his mags back up after he drops them and also refills them right

This is also how the really good players play

[obtuse onyx]

For my part, I'm not going to try to spin this discussion, I'll just tell you to re-read what you wrote brother and stop looking for arguments not to say "I don't like it because it changes the game", greetings! :3

[lucid totem]

There is literally no reason to change the system other than to make the game more into cod than it already is

Isnt that what you advocate against anyways

[obtuse onyx]

And aren't these types of mechanics what most people praise? ha ha

[lucid totem]

Bruh

Just bruh

[obtuse onyx]

Come on, just this time I don't want to fight the current, only join it, can't I? Also of course, not only do I approve this, look how many people approve of it, even Old Chum

[obtuse onyx]

Jessie too, and she also has the same point of view as I do on what Battlebit should be (based on what they said of course) just having a bullet counter like always will not change the general gameplay, that will be done by the changes to classes, movement, weapons, things like that, not because of these details

https://youtu.be/hPQsawfxWXo Black Ops 4 had a magazine counter, but look how it is, just like any Call Of Duty haha

[fervent cedar]

[obtuse onyx]

I should start using links more often... that way I save time explaining things

[fervent cedar]

I rather read a longer text than watch a linked yt video

[wild jolt]

And what if we kept both the mags and add a counter?

No it doesn't mean it has to be in every game. But, you mentioned Call of Duty, which I assume you meant in a negative association. I get the Activition/EA bad (I'm not a fan myself, that's kinda why I'm here). But! - That to me suggest you are only looking at a personal preference without taking into account what the game has changed to be, and who it's trying to cater to as well, which is also casual players. And we kinda need them don't we? I mean, if you want full 127v127 servers running 24/7, you better make sure you are planning to hit a huge player base. Changing the UI does not affect this negatively and does not limit any opportunities to make the game unique in so many other ways, but not using default stuff that's been a well appreciated feature since ancient times does not seem like the way to go.

[obtuse onyx]

It could be a mixed system, like Black Ops 4, (check the video to see what I'm talking about haha)

[wild jolt]

yea i mean, like i said i wouldn't mind having both there 👍

[obtuse onyx]

It is preferable to send a video than to spend 1 hour arguing on my part

[wild jolt]

As long as it's civil and respectful, I'm always down to chat. Maybe I'll change my mind on some things, who knows

[obtuse onyx]

At least for my part I find the bullet counter system good, perhaps as you mentioned it would be better to make one like Black Ops 4, mixed

[fervent cedar]

ye obviously it's easier

[obtuse onyx]

yes haha, by the way how are you doing in Battlefield 1 brother?

@wild jolt By the way I saw that you took the BFV bullet counter as a reference hehe

[wild jolt]

Never played 1 much, played a lot of V for a while though. Battlefield is dead to me. 2042 was the last straw for me regarding EA's shenanigans 😅

[obtuse onyx]

Battlefield V suffers the same thing in gunplay as Battlebit, the weapons only have recoil and no dispersion, making machine guns, snipers and semi-automatic rifles the meta in that game (luckily in Battlebit the bipods work poorly haha)

They improved aspects of teamwork making it the Battlefield with the best teamplay, but in gunplay it leaves a lot to be desired

Well, back to the main topic, I have a proposal

[fervent cedar]

shot down a lot of planes after finally finding aa guns xd
but I'm not really playing it much. Ttk is too long to be really enjoyable

[obtuse onyx]

shit I'm saying it now, I just forgot haha

[wild jolt]

ye if it works and looks good, take inspiration right 👍

[jaunty jewel]

FWIW, I suck at this game (casual player, I guess) and have never once felt like I need to specifically know how many bullets I have left (the audible cues are great - I expect they'll get even better). Either I have enough ammo left to be comfortable or I reload. Literally every other part of the game is more important for me to focus on. If I die, it's not because I'm one bullet short, it's because I missed half a mag.

[obtuse onyx]

What classes have you been playing with? Battlefield ttk is fast, maybe you are using a weapon at a distance that is not usually used

[fervent cedar]

tried all of them. Preferred medic with a rifle that was 3 hit kill and had a 10cap mag

dunno the name

and I figured out that assaults single shot rifle is a shotgun and not meant for distance

[wild jolt]

That's fair, and I'm glad to hear it from your pov. Makes sense. But if it was actually there, wouldnt you think you'd use it?

I personally haven't used the weapon mag soundque's, as so much stuff is happening and I tend to only listen for footsteps, and generally sneak around a lot. Maybe it's my playstyle experience that's a bit different - I come from CS:GO, and before that Battlefield and Call of Duty. Ammo counters have always been super nice and are often needed in games i play and probably make use of it more often.

[obtuse onyx]

hmmm, well, it would be mostly a matter of practicing aim with semi-automatic rifles, as you mentioned, 3 or 4 shots and you kill him, on the other hand, assault, yes, shotguns with slugs, but their bullet speed is stupidly slow, but usually assaults are the kind "rusher", that is, flanking enemies, catching them by surprise, and fighting mostly at close range

Precision is important for the use of Medic and Sniper weapons

For the assault it is knowing how to move around the map, and the typical support, the positioning

[frail mountain]

understanble to want this change but i am against it not only because for what people said that it just simplifies it, i would rather see other changes than about the hud since it is in a good place already

quality of life change or like how we can customize the hitmarker?

yeah

but it just look like a second thought to apply, even more on how oki really is focused on updating other things of this game

love the other suggestion though

[frail mountain]

also to clarify just the whole weapon related hud

there are some gameplay related ones that need more polish in my eyes

downed teammates for non medics, more ways to know you are squad leader outside of the one message you can lose and etc

[wild jolt]

agree, there are definitely more important tasks at hand - but it's nice to hear some opinions
and ty! glad to hear it!

[wild jolt]

oh wait, heli does have ammo counter? well how bout that, I think i sometimes miss it's there lol

[jaunty jewel]

No, I don't think I would. Like I said, there's a million other things to prioritize

[wild jolt]

Yeah and like i said, I'm used to them and use them a lot, it's most likely just a preference thing. Thats why i think having both should be looked at as an option

[lucid totem]

I already argued why im against bullet counters in bbr. Also what are you trying to argue with the "but these 2 people checkmarked the suggestion" and the bo4 vid? They never stated their opinion on this in particular. And ok, bo4 has that. Majority doesnt want bbr to be cod despite what the devs are doing.

[lucid totem]

I understand from where you are coming from (after reading your response to beerad specifically), but from what i have seen myself people generally dont want bbr to be overly casual and feel/play like cod. People pretty much come to bbr for an arcadey-ish experience with milsim touches. One of said touches is how magazines work and all. Its just a change that is needless for the reason that people already argued here. Its different and its patrially what sets bbr apart from other casual games.
To elaborate on the cod part, it is negative due to how in the most recent devcast, a lot of changes were shown and revealed, some of which would genuently hurt the new player/ casual experience and making the game feel like cod more, when people came for something else. People bought bbr for bbr, not cod. I hope that elaborates it a bit.

[obtuse onyx]

brother, you are giving it a lot of excuses to the point of saying that it will make it look like CoD, the game already looks like CoD, just because you change how you check the charger it won't change anything :/

[lean mulch]

My guy this isn’t a mil sim

Generally what does that add

Even competitive games have this. If it’s fine for csgo, it absolutely should be fun for a game as wacky as this

[obtuse onyx]

This is already reaching a point where they don't seem like arguments, they seem more like excuses :/

[lean mulch]

It’s a weird stance to even be on

Saying it will be like cod as if only cod has ammo counters

[lean mulch]

Okay

Give me a reason that it’s bad for something to be simplified in this instance

What benefit do you have putting that information away in a key press vs just showing it

[cloud tendon]

I don't understand the reasoning for 1.0.2. What issue would replacing one with the other fix? Why not have both rather than switching one?

1.0.3 is very questionable since the scoreboard results more than anything are just based on if you complete weekly challenges, which already give you large amounts of xp. Really just punishes those who aren't keen on them

1.2.3 seems a very bad idea, that just means you get a ton of abandoned unusable vehicles

[wild jolt]

I'm glad you asked. So, instead of having 2 scoreboards for medics and 0 for supports, why not do 1 for each instead? The most important step is to revive anyway I'd argue, so I'd rather keep that and give something to other roles as well, wouldn't you agree?

to 1.0.3: That's why we need multiple challenges instead of just the weekly one. I mention daily challenges alongside a bunch of other rewards the players can set their focus on. But yeah, i do think being the best at something could be rewarded with a bit of XP, since it is impressive against so many people.

to 1.2.3: I worded it a bit wrong and have corrected it in an updated image i will post soon. I meant only the driver seats of said vehicles, not the rest of the spots.

[wild jolt]

I need you to elaborate on that. How does catering to the general player base not help new players?..

And i don't mean the player base as in BBR only, i mean in general
And to double down on that, do you think not having casual features in the game is a good way to make it more inviting?

[frail mountain]

no bad reason but like, no good reason to put it if it works with no problem

sound,the button to show the how many you have, and the hud itself do alert how many bullets or how close you are from running dry

it may be a problem when you have less than 10 bullets but at that point just reload

[wild jolt]

I mean you all say it works, but the steady downwards curve of the playerbase says otherwise...

[frail mountain]

i really think the problemw with the curve isnt about a single mag hud

there are alot more shit going on that made people quit the game

[lucid totem]

Exactly

[wild jolt]

I did not say that did i, i said removing general casual features

[cloud tendon]

using a graph such as this does not work as evidence for basically any point you could make other than "the game is getting less popular"

[frail mountain]

they nerfed the l86

the game is shit

is joever

[wild jolt]

i mean, show me the opposite then instead of your wording

[cloud tendon]

the opposite of what?

I don't know what you are asking

[wild jolt]

read what's being discussed instead then? tf

[frail mountain]

alot of people left bc of the whole new games like baldur gates coming out, the ones that stayed started to leave on how the game is being balanced

[cloud tendon]

there is insufficient information to know exactly what you are referring to

[frail mountain]

nerf harsh on medics, the lack of updates

and so on

[karmic maple]

steam chart arguments

[frail mountain]

or i could just say they left bc of community servers

we should remove them guys fr

[wild jolt]

If it's going down, it's showing a decline in returning active players, that's what i was going for. Was just to add some stats to the discussion.

[obtuse onyx]

People, if you don't like it, just put an "X" on the post, the arguments are already losing meaning

[cloud tendon]

"you all say it works"
"downwards curve of the playerbase says otherwise"

What exactly does the first clause refer to? Why is the second relevant? Your wording of all your recent messages leaves a lot of ambiguities

[lucid totem]

You'd think but no. Its far more important for a game to cater to a specific audience rather than try appeal to everyone. Its basics in game marketing 101

[cloud tendon]

I can't respond to this without resolving those issues

[lucid totem]

And sadly the devs havent gone trough said basics

[wild jolt]

Forget it. Already been mixed up way to much with other conversations..

[obtuse onyx]

And if they come with the excuse "there are more important things" well, but that must be the responsibility of the devs, not ours haha, it's mainly because of them that the game is in its current state, they listened to those who don't want changes, well these are the consequences

[wild jolt]

I've said my piece to it - I'll have another image ready with more stuff. Will be exciting to see what people think 😁

[frail mountain]

isnt a video saying that if the devs hear too much of one side of the coin the game can lose its identity or become stale quick

[lucid totem]

This is pretty much whats happening rn

[wild jolt]

doesn't it seem like the one side of the coin is the milsim players asking not to add changes

[frail mountain]

also i dont think they didnt heard those that dont want change

[obtuse onyx]

I didn't understand brother what you were trying to say

[frail mountain]

bc they changed alot from the release to now

[lucid totem]

Its both people wanting either more milsim or some ardacey gameplay

[wild jolt]

then you gotta take a look, because I've seen plenty complain about the changes, and not to mention the times it's been mentioned in this thread alone. Both on this discord in general and on the servers

[karmic maple]

I love this image, and this thread just further cements its perfection

[wild jolt]

Bro, you are adding nothing to the conversation.

[lucid totem]

We complain cause some are honestly bad to everyone involved
The new players being locked to support is an abysmally idiotic way to introduce players to the game for instance

[karmic maple]

Theres not much to add

Its a suggestion thread 200 comments deep

Im here for the comedy

[wild jolt]

Then please go away. We are having a discussion.. not a fight

just because we don't agree on something

[frail mountain]

thats what i mean people dont want some stuff to change but they keep changing anyways, either from some parts of the community wanting it or the devs themself

[lucid totem]

I do love contributing to this entire point of this image

[frail mountain]

but we are moving away from the suggestion

good changes and suggestion

hope to see more

[wild jolt]

coming soon! 😄

[obtuse onyx]

But if that is fixed by doing class balancing only, not leaving the novice player playing only support, but of course if you say to do class balancing a good part will refuse, bruh

[lean mulch]

There is actually a bad reason

Putting crucial information in a extremely arcadey fast pace game gives people less to work with

[frail mountain]

doors are more important

[lean mulch]

Makes design making harder to do In the beat of the moment

[frail mountain]

you have info as the mag itself and the gun that makes different sound when you are close to running out

[lucid totem]

People arent refusing it rn they just want classes to their job more lmao

[lean mulch]

If you enter a fire fight with no opportunity to hit h, you cannot make a good decision went it comes to how much you have to continue or to retreat

[lucid totem]

Its not hard to even figure it out

[lean mulch]

My guy

[frail mountain]

or you can just see the mag and figure from there

half of it is white?
half ammo left

[lean mulch]

People aren’t going out of there way to figure that out

We aren’t the casual playerbase

[frail mountain]

you go from there if you gamble to reload or not

[lean mulch]

We are the minority of people who go out of there way to do so

[lucid totem]

I am the casual playerbase cause i literally dont play that well

[lean mulch]

Fuck even cod does animation and sound difference for lower mag count and yet they show the amount of ammo you have at any moment

[lean mulch]

I played wow for over 15 years now

And I’m shit at it

Doesn’t mean I’m a causal player.

Same with tf2

(Casual isn’t bad more so they don’t go out of there way to learn things not necessarily for playing)

Either way the reasoning that it make the game more casual just by showing basic information should tell you the game is already casual and trying to avoid it at this point isn’t going to work

Welcome to my Ted talk

[lucid totem]

If its not broken dont fix it its not that deep

[lean mulch]

Unless you can improve it

You say that shit for time tested methods

Like a screw and nut

[lucid totem]

Id like it if the icons in general were bigger and some other minor things were changed

[lean mulch]

Shoot if you want to argue if it isn’t broken don’t fix it

Ammo count is a time method thing that works almost always

On top of my head games that don’t usually double down on more grounded and slower gameplay like tarkov

[obtuse onyx]

And then what the hell do most people think class balance is for if it's not so that it does its job?

[lean mulch]

Can I say

Make this critique louder

And it will be changed

Hell they are now making it clear this 100% can change in development more than ever since people been critiquing this

It’s working

[frail mountain]

tbh would you rather be louder to a change that works normally and can communicate with the player so it can improve a bit or something more gameplay impacting like weapon or class balance

[lean mulch]

Issue when they communicate they aren’t given quarter

[lucid totem]

Then give incentives to communicate

[lean mulch]

The people here are so unwillingly to discuss design they will just go crazy

[lucid totem]

And a proper ping system

[lean mulch]

No I meant the devs talking to us

[obtuse onyx]

If you like, I can make a post about the suppression and dispersion of why they are necessary in good detail and you will see how it is burned in seconds.

[frail mountain]

people dont discuss anymore, all they know is call you names and emoji react you

[lean mulch]

EXACTLY

[frail mountain]

or drop a reacton gif

[lucid totem]

Oh my bad

[lean mulch]

So why would the devs try to talk to us

They are only given shit with no room to talk

[frail mountain]

explain supression

[lean mulch]

Now for ingame talking, best incentive is just better plays

You can’t force it

[frail mountain]

bc supression for me in this game is the mechanic people want but oki will die before adding it

[lean mulch]

Like xp for prolong shooting

[lucid totem]

Didnt want to force it
Adding an incentive to communicate and a better ping system does wonders

[frail mountain]

if is what i t think, bleeding is the closest we have to a supression mechanic

[lean mulch]

The ping system is fine. Will say it def can be refined which I do agree

[lucid totem]

Not to mention making classes like medic do their job better

[fervent cedar]

huh are you guys still talking about ammo counter or mag display?

[lean mulch]

But how can you make communication incentive

Other than you just play better

[lean mulch]

Think the subject changed

[frail mountain]

we already discussed, now its time to change the subject like it does in 80% of suggestions in this server

talk about a change>something else gets mentioned>everything derails

[obtuse onyx]

That produces a type of effect by producing indirect fire on the person, in this case ruining the precision of the weapon by making the bullets disperse more and leaving the player's camera shaking, which of course this is removed by no longer being under suppression ( simply changing position for example) this would help to of course stop nerfing the snipers and when the time comes for them to fix the bipods, let the machine guns not be OP

[fervent cedar]

like always xd

[frail mountain]

every convo leads to a supression mechanic discussion

[lucid totem]

If you for instance put tips or something in the tutorial about it
Its not invasive and its simple

Will that make everyone use it? Nah of course not

Will be nice still

[obtuse onyx]

https://youtu.be/odaNHtki_QY What the hell I have a video demonstrating this xd

[fervent cedar]

7min 💀

[frail mountain]

i think we shoud move to #1138399550210576466 since the whole mechanic is attachted to the class

also a tldr to my opinion, just make bleeding more effective and less annoying

its prob the closest to a supression mechanic we have that goes against oki ideia that supression rewards you for missing

[obtuse onyx]

That is to say, of course, other classes can do suppression, but yes, the most indicated is the support with their machine guns, also with the suppression they stop nerfing the snipers.

[obtuse onyx]

I want to see him say that when he plays Battlefield V and sees that it is impossible to advance since he will have the support soldiers firing with bipods like laser weapons just like with the snipers, benefiting the defender while the attacker only reviews a "good luck"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXhfjTGn2Fc

And yes, I have another video that proves it.

[lean mulch]

Honestly

Think the issue is that the era set for these games are different

Battles in 1 are mostly open areas meaning suppression is much needed mechanic

Lot of the maps in bbr are qc and or cites

[frail mountain]

lmgs

[lean mulch]

Take Namek or the new map coming

[frail mountain]

🤤

[lean mulch]

Still good video man

[obtuse onyx]

Not all of them, the truth is, besides, at some point they are going to fix the bipods and I am sure that this will happen, and there a good part of players will be complaining about how OP the machine guns are, if it already happened with the snipers, the same thing will happen same with machine guns haha

[lean mulch]

What’s the issue with bipods?

[frail mountain]

the only thing i can think of is how it can go out of it and comeback on windows and some places

in sandbags and prone it works wonders and it is worth using

[lean mulch]

That would be neat

First thing though is they need to add proper windows lol

[frail mountain]

if we talking about support #1138399550210576466

[lean mulch]

Home Depot update when?

[obtuse onyx]

Well, they don't work as they should, the recoil is still almost the same as without it.

[lean mulch]

I generally can’t give comment on recoil

I only use them for snipers and dmrs

Which I find tend to make them stable

[obtuse onyx]

Of course in DMR and snipers there is no problem, but when it comes to machine guns things change haha

[lean mulch]

I didn’t know that

Than yeah they def should buff that

[obtuse onyx]

That's why I tell you that, as soon as they buff the bipod on the machine guns we will have people complaining about the laser weapons that they will be haha

[wild jolt]

Update thus far: https://imgur.com/a/rhkt7Tz
Couldn't update image in this thread, so I'll just add the link from now on

huh, that kills the quality

[obtuse onyx]

Question, so this is a post that seeks to gather ideas in general?

[wild jolt]

oh well, here's the image.
@molten relic hope you don't mind i tag you real quick, just in case you'd want it 👍

[lean mulch]

Man this is super well put together

Well done

[wild jolt]

Just me sharing what I've noticed, since BBR seems to look for feedback from us (see #bbr-news ), so i wanted to do my part and hear what people think

[lean mulch]

Honestly wish I had that skill

[obtuse onyx]

Seems good to me :)

[frail mountain]

i think afk should just be banned

[fervent cedar]

[frail mountain]

after likie 5 min of doing nothing

[obtuse onyx]

Another idea might be to leave the Squad marker by default, it is already in the game, but you have to change it in the settings

[frail mountain]

doesnt letting them in spectate still make them stay on that slot

like the player slot

[lean mulch]

Do they get kicked

[fervent cedar]

and im pretty sure that the lag when opening the leaderboard is "wanted". The alternative would be updating it all the time which decreases performance constantly instead of a big spike when you open it

[wild jolt]

ofc, an autokick would be in order if the server is full as a safety precaution

[frail mountain]

banned, straight up cant play the game for 100 years

but in serious after some time he should get kicked

[lean mulch]

Tbf

[frail mountain]

i remember forgeting the match and i took a shower and walked with the dog

[lean mulch]

I wouldn’t disagree if they do it consistently

[frail mountain]

i think i was 20 minutes out

that time someone could be doing something but nah my lazy ass is getting that xp bonus for winning

[wild jolt]

changed the wording a bit

[obtuse onyx]

@wild jolt then you can add my idea of ​​a suppression system pls :3

[wild jolt]

Nah sorry bro, I'm keeping this thread for my own stuff ❤️

[obtuse onyx]

understood haha

[wild jolt]

hope thats cool, but that doesnt mean your idea was bad just fyi

[obtuse onyx]

Thank you so much

[lucid totem]

Thats not true
A bipod on lsws and lmgs does infact decrease recoil
This is especially apparent on something like the rpk with the drum mag
People have more issue when it comes to deploying it mid combat
You cannot deploy and use it reliably while running everything that isnt a sniper/dmr

The effects may be lower on some guns where recoil is already very managable

[obtuse onyx]

brother, I already discussed this and we are already clear that of course, we have to fix maps, weapons and movement, but after that we have to give a buff to the bipods for the supports and add suppression, everything is already clarified, if you want prolong the discussion more than necessary brother then it's your thing

[lucid totem]

I was just correcting you on the fact that you said that bipods do nothing outside of dmrs and snipers

Im not prolonging any discussion

[supple niche]

TY it was inspired by the shit slinging that came out when the feedback group v2 was announced

I may evolve it further

[wild jolt]

@cloud tendon did you read this one? the conversation shifted quite a lot 😁 hope it made sense

(see new image: #1211254473566068787 message)

[cloud tendon]

bipods on LMGs are very good

[tardy copper]

lack of replayability

[lean mulch]

Well

Mmmmm

The thing is that’s going to happen when you avoid trying to do that live service stuff

The game isn’t a roguelite so you will just play till you don’t want too anymore

The game doesn’t have battle passes, dailies, monthly events and so on. There is the twitch stuff but unless your on the discord you won’t know or probably care bout It

[obtuse onyx]

Battlefield 1 at most had the skin system, but it is still active, this is because each class provides different gameplay and therefore, more playability

Each class compensates for a specific ability to play FPS, Assault mobility and knowing how to flank, sniper precision, positioning support, and medic... I have no idea haha not to mention that the weapons of these 4 classes also make you play a different way, more close combat, more medium distance combat, etc.

[lean mulch]

I suspect this is going to take away for bbr

Not because the devs suck it’s just

Out side of this have they done anything else?

At least with bf they had what, 7 games before bf1?

[lucid totem]

Yeah cioi forgets that bf had like a decade worth of experience

[lean mulch]

Honestly people don’t give them enough credit for just how well there first product like this has gone. There is absolutely issues

[obtuse onyx]

Yes, but with Battlefield 4, Battlefield's reputation went down quite a bit, but what I'm getting at with this is that maybe the devs can do something with what they currently have, that each class has a different gameplay and not all of them are based on the same thing.

[lucid totem]

Well id give classes more gadgets first

[lean mulch]

Bf4 also launched broken

So did 1

[lucid totem]

And make existing ones more useful

[lean mulch]

Every bf game launches broken

[lucid totem]

And yeah both bf4 and bf1 got poor launches

[obtuse onyx]

Also, if as a Battlefield fan I pay attention to those details, Oki or Vilaskis can also pay attention to those, right? I mean, Vilaskis himself said that he had 6k hours in the Battlefield saga in general

[tardy copper]

well COD existed before live service stuff

[lean mulch]

They also didn’t really have replayable stuff

Old cod progression is just skins

[tardy copper]

Yet a lot of people played

[lean mulch]

Zombies had replayability

[lean mulch]

I wonder why

It was on every platform

Extremely popular with anyone

Had millions for advertising

[tardy copper]

now that I think about it

battlebit kinda has a lack of style

by style I mean more like colors

Most maps are just different shades and hues of gray

Idk

[obtuse onyx]

The case for providing replayability is that, making each class and weapon give you a different style of play, giving variability to a game because it will not be the same as the previous one.

When that is ready (and maps fixed) promote again

[lucid totem]

While having classes be more distinct is nice, id also like seeing more subclasses as well

[tardy copper]

I want for battlebit to get a little slower

Not in a sense of a milsime mode

but more like less running mach ten through buildings, shooting in air and straif spamming

[obtuse onyx]

Well, what we are currently talking about would help a lot to slow down the pace of the game a little, instead of all the classes being the same, each class having a different playing style, in the case of assault it would be the "rusher" class or with more movement

[lucid totem]

Just a tad slower would be nice

[tardy copper]

I understand that, but in the current state fast paced is objectively better

you just cant outshoot them

There should be penalty like with sniping

high risk high reward

I think battlebit should be more realistic, but not milsim

by that I mean, players should naturaly play as if its an actual battle, instead of running circles on construction with mp 7

[obtuse onyx]

More Battlefield-like ¿No?

[tardy copper]

idk, never played it

maybe

there is a very thin line between all these games

make a little more realistic - battlefield, make a little harder - squad, make a little more fast - phantom phorces/cod

i think battlebit just needs something completly unique

to make it stand out

cause rn, there is nothing unique, its just a bunch of different ideas from different games combined in an amalgamation

where everyone sees it differently depending on their perspective

[obtuse onyx]

As I always mention brother, these are the consequences of selling a shooter to different communities, in the end you do not meet the expectations of any community, plus the lack of "personality" of the game has been discussed for a long time, and the devs still do not clarify or detail What do they expect from each of the aspects to improve, that is to say that it is more arcade, more realistic, that it encourages more teamwork, people are here to give feedback, but the problem is that the devs do not specify what they hope to get out of this , or even on some occasions they hear it except for a certain group of toxic players who, thanks to them, we did not have the Air-Strafe nerf before

[obtuse onyx]

It is something that many deny that Oki only listens often to this toxic group, but anyone who has been here for a while, regardless of what they expect Battlebit to be like, can confirm it for you.

[wild jolt]

Updated again - https://i.imgur.com/UnfP1Rr.png

[wild jolt]

Aight, this is probably the final one. Added a few more things and corrected some stuff. Have a good week yall

[fervent cedar]

getting enemy positions highlighted would ruin the game for me

especially if you have sb that stays down and doesnt give up right away he has wallhacks and can tell his mate

[wild jolt]

I always liked it, but I did think about the cons. Maybe if it worked as a temporary highlight, like 3 seconds fade?

[fervent cedar]

beside it would make good positioning unnecessary since you can only use it once before they know where you are exactly

3 second fade wouldnt change my last point

knowing the direction is already strong enough

same thing with seeing their hp in death screen. I can see that it would be helpfull to see how close you were to winning but its too much important information for free

[wild jolt]

right now we are just assuming, but yea, its a fair point.

[lucid totem]

Id find it more valuable if the camera when i get downed doesnt shake violently

[wild jolt]

although i doubt it does cause any winning ourcome for anyone..

was more to make the death cam more interesting, since if you are gonna lie down for a while, you might as well be entertained

[fervent cedar]

if i fight two enemy at once it is crucial for me if one of them can tell the other that im at 20hp and bleeding or if they dont know how many hp i have

[wild jolt]

but that's just talking already isnt it?

saying: i hit that guy, hes low

[fervent cedar]

sure many ppl wont call it out but there always is the chance they do

[wild jolt]

dont need death cam for that

[fervent cedar]

i mean if they have the hp counter on their death cam

it was also in the picture

you didnt mention it in text

[wild jolt]

if they do then thats how its supposed to be, like team play xd ive never had anyone use the death cam in battlefield to guide me lol

yeah i didnt mention hp bar because that wasn't what i was asking for

[fervent cedar]

okay then that discussion was unnecessary

[wild jolt]

i can word it a bit differently if you'd want

[fervent cedar]

but still wallhacks for downed teammates is completely different in bf and bbr in my opinion

[wild jolt]

Pings doesnt work behind walls, so you won't be able to direct them fully anyways more than you could when you lie down already (ok maybe a tad more, but not with 100% accuracy) your team mate still needs to find the person while you have the vision (for only 3 seconds)

[fervent cedar]

granted this is not the average fight but i often eng up fighting clan squads while playing and in those situations im pretty sure i would be called out in dc so i wouldnt even notice it. This would overall make those fights feel more random and inconsistent

beside if i get a good angle on sb i dont want it to be directly known once i killed the first guy.

i see no benefit of it except making it easier to see where you got killed from (which is a downside in my opinion)

[wild jolt]

yea i can see it not having much benefit in those regards, but yea, still think its a nice feature, and id argue that it didnt make any difference in battlefield other than making it less boring being down.
Its definitely not a top priority to have though, but still wanted to bring it some attention 👍

[wild jolt]

It does get crazy when you get pulled around haha

On a side note, i've had a few moments in the heli where i had to look away from the screen cause i was getting dizzy 😂

[lucid totem]

Yeah that sucks

I just wish it doesnt do that

[wild jolt]

We are just not made for flying bud, we are ground troppers you and i lol

[lucid totem]

Gotta say i do like the quick ping thing you suggested

[wild jolt]

Ty! yea, i thought it made sense if we kept it within the squads

[lucid totem]

I see it as sum that can be put in the social tab when you hold mmb

[wild jolt]

Sometimes i can stand 4 m next to a squadmember without sound, who doesnt know im there or doesnt speak english

and it's so frustrating xd

[lucid totem]

Been generally a fan of how apex does its ping system since for a long time i didnt have a mic

[wild jolt]

Yeah apex is a good place to look for inspiration in that regard, totally agree there

[lucid totem]

In general allowing good comms without actually speaking would do wonders

[wild jolt]

Yeah, would make it more fun for those that cant engage in other ways

[lucid totem]

Exactly

[wild jolt]

Btw to this. I definitely agree that there shouldnt be a locked class unless they make a specific class for new players to play. Could be a 1 full game thing, or 10 minutes of gameplay, or a minimum level reach requirement, before allowing access to all the squads

And sorry, old topic, but i think you brought up something important to address

[lucid totem]

Nah its alright
I personally think you shouldnt lock players out of classes at all

[wild jolt]

In this game at its current stage, yea it doesn't make much sense atm, as it's very easy to figure out. Could always ask new players if they'd like a tutorial before playing instead.

The points was more of a, in case they keep it, this is how I'd improve on it 👍

[tardy copper]

off-screen target getection is too much

[wild jolt]

If you limit it to your squad, and to the 2 roles that need it and make use of it, and add a cooldown to it, dont you think it'll be a good option to add then?

Unless you reffered to the highlighting ofc

[tardy copper]

nah, first, you already have a ton to constantly look at

second, its just doest fit the current game

[wild jolt]

That doesnt give me anything to work with sorry. Why doesnt it fit?

[tardy copper]

idk if you can call that immersion

wait let me thinnk

[wild jolt]

it seems now we are getting back to the Milsim factor.. but sure, ill brb in a few

[tardy copper]

its not nesceserily the milsim, it just feels too arcady for this type of a game

its like a hach

I dont want the game holding my hands

[wild jolt]

wouldnt you call for help in real life?

[fervent cedar]

I also don't think we need those icons. A msg like the one when squad lead does sth a bit bigger, sound and extra xp if you actually do it should be enough

[tardy copper]

when I play the game I know what I get. If I didnt, I wouldnt be playing it

[wild jolt]

Well, i take your opinion in, but I don't agree with what you are saying. It is an arcade styled game, not a Milsim/realism simulator

[tardy copper]

its like arcadifying the game for console

[wild jolt]

what.. bro now you are just reaching i feel like..

[tardy copper]

where do you see the game being arcade?

[wild jolt]

It's a fast phased fps shooter

[lucid totem]

Oh boy another argument on what the games supposed to be

[tardy copper]

its fast paced only because players play it fast. It can also be slow.

If I wanted an arcade game I would have played cod

oh, and because in the current state its just objectively better

so it becomes a closed loop, that causes people to play faster and more agressive

chose faster classes

[lucid totem]

Wont kill if game slowed down a tad

[fervent cedar]

or sit back and snipe

[tardy copper]

exactly

like, I tried support class recently, and I was constantly shot from like 100 meters by an ump-45, how does that even work

cause you just cant evade people with that running speed

and the guns just dont justify the class

there should be some knockback/restriction when you are shot

like in csgo, you can just jump around like a worm and evade all the bullets

so it causes the players to act more careful

[wild jolt]

If you are away from battle, it does not affect anything other than you being able to calm out a nearby squad member. Especially helpful for the thousand of players without a mic. If you are in battle, you can call out the 2 classes that actually was made to help people out. And, you remove any potential spam by having it only affect nearby players and add a cooldown. I just don't see it as a massive game changing mechanic.

And you bringing cod up is just invalid, its not in cod? Again, it seems bias because you compare it to games you see to have a grudge against + don't want it to change away from it's old ways

[tardy copper]

if you want to call some one out, there are regular ping + squad voice chat

communication is key :)

[wild jolt]

Are you ignoring what i said or? What if you can't communicate.

[tardy copper]

Im bringing cod because its an example of a fast paced/movement game

[wild jolt]

It's a bad example because its not relavant to the subject being discussion

[tardy copper]

yeah, thats on me, I missed the point a little, but ok, but how will that be any different from any regular ping?

[wild jolt]

You don't know what they are calling out. The normal ping is a directional que that something is happening. The enemy ping is self explanatory. The pings i suggest is somewhat of a Qol suggestion and in general to add more for players like me, who focuses a lot on helper roles

[tardy copper]

there are different pings in the wheel, and yeah, there should be a better way of selecting them

[fervent cedar]

the ping wheel is used?

Basically all of them are pointless rn so I haven't seen them in ages

[wild jolt]

I have never used them, even as a squad leader. No need to when we have site pings

[lucid totem]

Wont be pointless if people actually used them
Or even knew about them

Or anything

[wild jolt]

They tell you to defend/attack anyways lol

[tardy copper]

thats the problem with it, yeah

[fervent cedar]

but there is no point in using them

[wild jolt]

currently* 😁

[tardy copper]

yeah

[wild jolt]

I'm not in any way mad that you don't have the same view as me just fyi, i just don't agree 👍 glad to hear more sides

[tardy copper]

I just feel that it doesnt fit the style. BBR tries to be minimalistic with its UI. You only get the essentials

and a lines in a circle can be very distracting

it reminds me of time when all players pings would be visible

[fervent cedar]

with the current dev decisions it doesnt look like that will change soon

[tardy copper]

so you would have half of the screen filled with green dots

[wild jolt]

It should be, you are being pinged for help to do your classes one job, thats how i see it.

[tardy copper]

until you get distracted and die, then you start to hate it

[fervent cedar]

I think it should be sound only and not visual

[tardy copper]

cause nobody likes dying from something beyond their control

[tardy copper]

ok, but not in the current sound system 🙏

its awful, theres literally no vertical distance to sound

[fervent cedar]

obv not

high hopes for the new sounds

[tardy copper]

yeah

[fervent cedar]

that update either hits or kills bbr

[tardy copper]

Im just praying that they will communicate with us and dont push it to prod immedietly

like with sound muffling

[fervent cedar]

they said they will test it first

[tardy copper]

I hope

[tardy copper]

Also I think forcing people to do something is not a very good gameplay idea

players should naturally have a reason to do that, and if they dont, thats a problem with the game

Give more xp for healing at least

you get more xp from giving someone 10 ammo in 1 second

and you get almost nothing in return for risking your life saving someone that in 90% will get shot immedietly after

[fervent cedar]

risking your life and seing him give up once you reach him*

[tardy copper]

yeah that too

risk != reward

and a lot of times you need to carry them which makes you very slow

and basically a hitting dummy

and another problem is the playerbase. People are so used to the current meta/gameplay that they dont even focus on that

teh rate of me getting revived has lowered significantly over the past months

[fervent cedar]

Na just jump like you are overdosing on meth and you won't get hit

[tardy copper]

average catEat player

maybe reserve that fast movement for the pistols?

cause it can be very useful cause you often need to get throgh different terrain and parkouring can be very nice

but the jump delay ruins it

[wild jolt]

Again, the reason im claiming you are reaching is because of things like these. You making up a scenario that's not happening and was never part of the discussion. You are not forced to revive or supply your team mates more than you are now

Even if they ping you, you are not drawn to do anything. Your team mate from your squad only has ASKED for your support

If you choose to ignore the whole point of having different class slots with certain roles, then thats on you.

[fervent cedar]

if you choose to ignore them you constantly have that ping on your screen tho

[wild jolt]

Not if its for nearby squad members with a cooldown

I mean, none of you can honestly tell me other than maybe the tactical squad/clan run, that you run together 8 man

[fervent cedar]

if I get a ping every 10 seconds from the squad mate following me it's still really distracting

nobody runs together

[wild jolt]

I mean ofc, if the ping worked as a flashbang blinding your vision, but having a small arrow fading out on the very side of the screen and saying it would be super distracting, in my book, just seems like reaching to me. Especially since its such a small feature not affecting anyone outside your only 8 man squad if you are playing medic/support, and only for those very close to you..

A sound would honestly be a distracting factor to me (footsteps enjoyer), but a silent arrow directing you seems like a good option for roles that was meant to, you know, help people out. And I'd argue that if you feel like medics are already doing a worse and worse job lately, shouldnt we focus on making it more useful to at least work together with your squad?

[fervent cedar]

depends on how the arrow is implemented.

A squad mate asking for ammo may be more distracting than the arrow but it's also adds more immersion.

And if we want to make teamwork more important we need to start with increasing the death penalty but nobody here wants that

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wild jolt]

I'll make something in video format at some point to show how I'd personally want it to work 🤙 probably the best to clear out what i mean

[oak sierra]

Mostly cause being revived leaves u low health, getting ammo can be quite annoying, giving up and respawning us faster and leaves us full health and ammo, i dont normally compare but BF2042 (under rated game imo) has more convenient healing, ammo restock, and when being revived you are left at full health which makes the game feel alot faster pace for being a slower pace shooter

Ive played alot of BBR like 709 hours and when i started to play BF2042 i noticed alot that bf2042 had that made the game feel so much better, better gun balance, more movement restriction like how jumping worked and you couldnt aim or shoot while going into and out of prone. Then since movement is slower pace than BBR the healing and ammo resupplying is easier and quicker with maps that arent overly big they are just big enough for snipers but anyone can counter them if plyed well

[wild jolt]

I agree with 2042 by what it is today, but just out of spite for EA I didn't wanna join in haha

[oak sierra]

Oh i totally agree with you i just play 2042 cause its refreshing to play a shooter thats fairly well balanced even if 2042 got a ton of hate at launch but its better now

And overall what im trying to say with 2042 and what not is i would like BBR to drive to implement some of these things that 2042 does really well making healing reviving and ammo resupplying faster while slowing down movement alittle in some way

[wild jolt]

yea and completely understandable 👍

Did you buy it at full price? 😁

[oak sierra]

Discounted

But if i got it at full price id say its worth it like 2042 alot honestly

[wild jolt]

Yeah no worries, was just pointing that a lot of the anger often comes from people who bought it at full price at launch

when it was in a more rough shape lol

[oak sierra]

Oh yea it was really bad at launch i heard all about it and i never got it until few months ago at a discounted price

[wild jolt]

Good! Probably helped with the experience haha

[oak sierra]

Definitely lmao i still dont play it everyday but thats cause i like to game hop so i domt get burnt out from a specific game

Only game i play everyday is BBR but its like a 1-2 hours maybe and then i have to pkay something else

BBR is just in a shitty state right now with long update times, broken bugs, inbalance of classes and weapons, lack of content, huge maps which i continue to say cause the maps suck, i have hopes these things can be fixed and the game doesnt fully die

[wild jolt]

Yeah i somewhat agree that it seems kinda still right now, but I try to see it as them trying to adapt and find out what works (which is difficult if you dont have the manpower). I'm glad to see they annouced that they are looking for a feedback team, that shows good promise that stuff is cookin

[oak sierra]

Yes it does show some good promise but even then having a feedback team doesnt help alot in this situation, they need more devs and coders, the 3 of them have too much to fix and change on their own, like if they hired one single person and that person focused on like content events or things for holidays like special skins, character designs, etc. for holidays or funny events it would greatly help the game

And i hope they decide where they want the game to go cause oki wanted a tactical teamwork game kinda like a milsim but not fully but most of the community and main playerbase wants a arcade style game cause dont get me wrong im all for teamwork and tactical shit but in a 127v127 the tactical play means nothing to me i want to run in and enjoy the chaos but i think he should allow community servers more freedom for changing up some of the game rules so anyone who wants a more slow pace milsim style can create a server to make that happen

[wild jolt]

Huh, thats an interesting pov, haven't really thought much about community servers tbh, it's a great idea to allow more freedom in that sense yea

[oak sierra]

Ive mentioned it before and community servers do have some of that freedom but running and managing them is hard for alot of people

Like Rogue Soldiers Community Server, its a 64v64 dom and conquest server
Its a hardcore server cause they have 1.30x dmg and no hitmarkers and are working to add team killing/damage
Its do able but i dont think its really like out there like no one knows how to do it or has the skills or tech to make a server and change the gamerules

[wild jolt]

I love the idea (been a community manager for many years myself), but yeah, it requires more devs* to allow for that type of implementation access on servers.

[oak sierra]

If kinda like to see some Official servers that have different gamerules like longer/shorter respawn, limited choices for loadouts, different objective locations than the normal, forced to play other modes than conquest, different damage multiplers, etc. Feels like it would bring more variety to the game and i can rant about official servers always being conquest like theres frontline, invasion, and domination too people like have an official server for each gamemode and maybe have conquest have more servers cause its more popular

[fervent cedar]

hard to do those changes on official servers

[oak sierra]

Oh yea it would need more devs which brings back the point they need to hire some more people on cause this game takes alot more than 3 devs. It used to be fine with them 3 but now with all the changes being made theres alot of unbalanced classes, lack of content, players are leaving the game, they need more devs to push out more updates and more often

[oak sierra]

It would be hard but this is only a doodle on a piece of paper, its something just put there and maybe someone wilk take that doodle and make some actual artwork with it, it would probaly work much better for community servers

[fervent cedar]

ppl join official servers because they expect the game to run like they know it. If you suddenly change the ttk in those ppl will get completely confused

[oak sierra]

Thats a fair point yea, i do think the voting system needs to be changed for official so its not always conquest. I could be being biased since im a frontline (mostly frontline lmao) invasion domination fan but always seeing conquest on official is just brutal like theres zero variety for play a different gamemode and i know they changed it to where eventually conquest wont be an option but then they choose infantry conquest which is basically the same just no tanks and blackhawks lmao which makes it worse imo, idk maybe im being biased cause i prefer other gamemodes but i think it does need a change for variety

Anyways i got to get to work here soon it was nice chatting boys

[wild jolt]

Ok @fervent cedar @tardy copper , in regards to point 1.2.14 - here's how I envisioned the help pinging (sadly not in video format, but hopefully this should be fine :D)
(Arrows to the right side of screen, Ping above visible team mates)

I tried making them a different transparency to show how it would look while fading out in those 3-5 seconds. Do keep in mind that you won't see both medic and support pings at the same time, and only when you are in one of those classes.

Maybe a bit smaller/thinner, and ofc a different font & better icon - but yeah something like that

[placid jasper]

Guys is this the new inertia thread?

Oh are we talking about voting? This triggers my ptsd 😔

[wild jolt]

Nah but i can fill you in 😄

[placid jasper]

That ping looks great

As a member of the community, I approve

[wild jolt]

🫡 thank you soldier

[placid jasper]

I still think the 3D pings should just work while looking at someone, then drop a static ping after you lose line of sight

A nice mix of the current systems

[wild jolt]

That's a cool idea if implemented correctly ye

Last place you saw enemy in line of sight

[fervent cedar]

guess you would need to test those ingame and check how distracting they are

[wild jolt]

Agree. I've tried to show it somewhat so i hope it makes sense. Its for point 1.2.14 Updated both images as well

[fading sand]

1.2 13 was removed

[wild jolt]

its above the image above 14, or did you mean it as it was removed previously?

[fading sand]

Latter

[wild jolt]

Huh, interesting. Any chance you have something showing that anywhere? Would be cool to take a look. I'm guessing that was long ago

On another note. Actually to 1.2.13, that could have a fade as well

[wild jolt]

Sorry i couldn't help myself..

[austere cove]

Off screen targets important as fuck. Ppl litteral spawn and run

[frail mountain]

the hud to show who needs ammo and health so much beter that i woudnt mind if it was base

[wild jolt]

Last one for real, I'm toast now lol
@molten relic

[molten relic]

<3

[placid jasper]

No ammo counter, rest is great

I like the vagueness personally. But if they keep going the way they're going they might as well I suppose.

I've always advocated for the hp heal numbers to be removed too. Just have a screen effect for when you're at max hp imo

And for medics just give points and a bonus for a full heal

[wild jolt]

Omg i forgot to note that you don't actually get any points for defending a point at the moment, or at least it doesn't show any progress/point gain on screen

[wild jolt]

and ty! ill take it 😁👍

[placid jasper]

Squad points need to be given for healing squadmates and such too

Maybe give a reduced amount for healing non squad members, etc

[fervent cedar]

chat ideas are good

[frail mountain]

why not

oh wait you mean the one that show on mags?

[placid jasper]

Yee

No specific number on the hud

[obtuse onyx]

I have a idea hehe

https://youtu.be/9-dh-5CXZsg?si=5ar-vdzYSbrJZxBU

In fact, it seems that this already existed in the game, but it would be nice if they incorporated it again

https://youtu.be/iq5TOH79RiY?si=3Dxv52TfBdH44aBa

Here another example

[wild jolt]

Done! Added 1.1.3 and more stuff to 1.2.16. no. more. updates...
Enjoy the read soldier!

[placid jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/kingdom-hearts-ok-i-believe-you-gif-13519426

[wild jolt]

oo sick! nice find, hope they make use of it again!

[molten relic]

@rain wagon

[rain wagon]

this is the most updated one?

[wild jolt]

roger

[molten relic]

https://tenor.com/view/chad-gif-24721496

[proven lava]

I love the idea of asking for heals or ammo, that sounds so nice

[lucid totem]

Same

[wild jolt]

@rain wagon final.. sorry..

[rain wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/noted-gif-20569892

[fervent cedar]

would also be really nice if the class of my mates in a vehicle would be shown next to their seat.
Makes a huge difference if I drive into the enemy with 4 snipers or 4 assaults

[lucid totem]

Its sorta shown already, albeit very poorly

Like yknow that list of squadmates in bottom left corner

[fervent cedar]

bottom left is squad not the vehicle

[lucid totem]

Yeah but like the color of their name slightly changes i think if they are in a vehicle or not

[fervent cedar]

ye but I mean you often have randoms in your car and it would be nice to know what they are

[lucid totem]

I do agree with that

Just saying it is there, but its pretty bad

[fervent cedar]

like if I can see that the driver is a sniper I can jump out before I'm 400m out

[tardy copper]

Juglers is a fan of this suggestion

[placid jasper]

Called it

[wild jolt]

what? 😁

[wild jolt]

what happened?

[wild jolt]

You cant just leave me hanging like that lmao @placid jasper

[placid jasper]

You said the previous one was your last update

It was not 😂

[wild jolt]

Oh right 😂😅

[wild jolt]

I hadn't noticed how much the quality of the image had suffered after discord's compression, so I'll just test if this new one fixed it
Edit: (It did! - Press view in browser for clear quality on small texts - especially on phones!)

Also gave me the chance to correct a few things on the text & scaling as well

[wild jolt]

@rain wagon sorry for tagging you, couldnt send you a PM
This thread can be locked now lol

[wild jolt]

OK, here's to the part about the 'Home' & 'Stats' page being merged into one. Here's what I had in mind (ignore the dark box, it's just used to hide the background)

• Easy overview of your overall stats on one page.
• Change loadouts for armor, weapons and badges(?) (if that becomes a thing lol)
• 3D view of soldier. Spin them around.

It's not super pretty, but it's just to give a general idea. Right now it's a lot of unnecessary jumping back and forth, but with something like this it's kept nice and clean, while keeping the overall stats, info and options on one page for quicker access.

I tried only to include what the game already has, mixed with some suggestions.

[cloud tendon]

I like this. Very neat

Might want to make things like this into their own suggestion once finalised so they can get noticed

[fading sand]

would be a kinda weird spot to put armor n weapons but rest is k kewl

[wild jolt]

Yeah was bout to, but I don't wanna risk spamming with all my ideas lol 😂 and the feedback is good, gives me the option to adjust it 👍

[cloud tendon]

Putting all your ideas in one thread is a good way to get them ignored entirely

[wild jolt]

was more of a, in case you wanna setup everything and make it more convinient 👍 but yeah, could also become crowded with too much

[lucid totem]

I do dislike the order here
Imo it should be loadout (id remove the weapons one since loadout does take of that in particular), character then badges

Otherwise, good stuff

[wild jolt]

edit i see what you mean and I agree, wouldnt make much sense to have both 😁 maybe a button to toggle US - RU layouts instead?

[supple niche]

P sure term and julgers are monitoring the thread since it's one of the most efforful ones so far

[cloud tendon]

People can't really vote on it though

since there are a huge number of things at once

[wild jolt]

Just glad to have the convo. Maybe some day ill organize it into single categories 😂🤙

[supple niche]

Democracy is a meme and a post having votes has little pull

Well detailed and easy to read posts are more likely to be read and used than "buff bipods they suck ass" with 1k votes

[cloud tendon]

Bipods are really good though

[lucid totem]

When they deploy properly yeah, they are infact good

[wild jolt]

maybe something like this?

never thought about it, but games ending in a draw does not seem to be accounted for, and im sure ive had a few

[lucid totem]

I do have question

When you want to say, change the helmet or armor for your character, where will the choices for them pop up?

[wild jolt]

Same as the one we have in-game. Just a new pop-up showing until you click/uncheck the checkbox to toggle show/hide

Right below your checked selection (head, eyes etc)

[lucid totem]

Wouldnt you think it would be a bit small to read tho? There really isnt a lot of space to really read or choose the armor of your choice

[wild jolt]

gonna add it in tomorrow and try it out

[lucid totem]

Sure thing

[fading sand]

It's getting cluttered fr

[floral venture]

Aaaahh free labor, my beloved.
-Dev team

[wet zodiac]

Death cam 😩

Definetly not to flex on the all the people i blew up from our heli

[wild jolt]

@lucid totem here's what the box would somewhat look like in size if it was set how I'd like it

i also removed some stuff. still trying to figure out how to get all the info into one page

[lucid totem]

Much better

[stoic marsh]

I dont see why all of that would be on the stat page of all things

[lunar adder]

eh that just reminds me of the old combat arms UI lol

[wild jolt]

It wouldnt be named stats though. Personally i would rename it to soldier.

[wild jolt]

Hope thats a good thing lol 😅

[lunar adder]

Nah
Clutter

[wild jolt]

You feel the last one is too cluttered also?

[lunar adder]

Yep
Wont be easy for new people coming in
They’d feel lost
Like with recent COD UI’s (swear MW2-3 have god awful UI’s)

[wild jolt]

Huh, i feel its much easier, but fair enough 😁🤙

[fading sand]

They're just fuckin weird

Me scrolling tryna find this one dumbass attachment

[wild jolt]

Just out of interest for the topics and conversation, would it be possible to hear you guys thoughts on any of the points, or just the type of feedback in general on the dev stream? @rain wagon

Love to hear you and Larry discuss the game mechanics and what not. Maybe me or other players could learn something from it 👍

Like, will this work in practice, has this been fixed already etc etc

[supple niche]

They listen, but idk if they take it farther than that

[steel hound]

Omg too much battlefield arcady idea here

[drowsy belfry]

Good suggestion and the presentation is pretty but by god man. A single picture with tiny lil text is a fucking horrible way to do this

Thanks for the effort put jnto this tho

[worn cedar]

For the love of God plz add inverted controls for when you're driving a tank backwards and maybe an APC and also anything that is a BOAT

[wild jolt]

A little late but yea, it went a little overboard! 😅

@worn cedar we have boats don't we? 🤔

[worn cedar]

RHib... and Jetskis and the gunboat and idk what

[steel hound]

Well its very hard if u always play some kind bf and cod type of game

[lucid totem]

Just dont play them silly billy

[fading sand]

Half mag = half bullets the end

[steel hound]

Not play that anymore

[wild jolt]

Luckily it does seem like the new HUD does a better job of showing it, so i think it's gonna be fine. We'll see 😁

[arctic niche]

Trouble managing ammo?

Sounds like skill issue to me

Being honest, if you think you need an ammo counter then this game is not for you, it's so so so goddamn easy to just glance at your current mag to get an idea of how many rounds you've got left.

[wild jolt]

I'm not really sure what you are getting at. I'm doing fine without, but would prefer an ammo counter over the icons.
"skill issue" i mean cmon..

[arctic niche]

It defeats the purpose of the magazines

Use your head

[frail mountain]

Better way is to make it optional
Dont see a reason to not add it
But i dont see a reason to add it either

Outside of killing the identity of the game with can be a big issue depending on it

Here it becomes more of a personal preference

[fervent cedar]

making it optional means ppl that don't have it active are at an disadvantage. Given that bbr is a "competitive" pvp shooter most ppl while activate it even if they don't like it just to play on an even field

So making it optional still "forces" it on ppl that don't want it

[frail mountain]

I dont see how that gives advantage, yeah you can see how many bullets you have
Unless you are a sweaty that know how many bullets from your gun it takes to kill someone and its confident in your aim to do itwhen you have less than 10 in most guns with more than 20 bullets

But like miss a bullet and you die
One more guy shows up and you die
Doesnt become revelant when you have more than half since it doesnt change that much and those that cant see the bullets will still know how much they have

Probably the only thing it impacts
Is that the option to look inside your magazine becomes irrevelant

[fervent cedar]

In situations where you are low on ammo it's obviously better to see if you theoretically could kill one more guy or not.
and if it becomes irrelevant if you have more than half a mag why add it?

[fervent cedar]

and that is already useless

reloading is faster in most cases

[frail mountain]

Tbh why you wouldnt reload in the first situation already

Eveb if you could kill one guy
Another can show up

Better to take your chances ans drop it to be faster so you can kill more than one

Altough yeah the half mag part is true

[fervent cedar]

why not just kill that guy and reload then?
a second guy could also come if you reload now and maybe the other guy is gone once you finished reloading?

like what does it add that you know that you have 21/30 of bullets and not 2/3 of a mag?

the mag Icons are already accurate enough to guess how many rounds you have left

[arctic niche]

^

[stoic marsh]

press check mag button lol

[wild jolt]

yee nah, you lost me at skill issue. see furthur down on how to have a discussion

Like warmou said, it's a preference. But also fair to point out that it could take away something that's semi unique to BBR.

I did however post this long before seeing new HUD stuff in the recent devcasts, so we'll have to see how it will look when finalized

[wild jolt]

i never really understood what that does lol 😅 haven't really used it myself. Does it give any info other than visually looking down the mag and guessing the cirka amount?

[stoic marsh]

if gives you the exact amount in your mag

[wild jolt]

huh, I'd have to try it out again then, can't remember on the top of my head how it looks

@stoic marsh oh wow, i never noticed (or forgot) the text showing tf

https://youtu.be/ffKAQC900bw?feature=shared

[stoic marsh]

yeah its not exactly super noticable. and the actual animation is super long. they combined the inspect animation and the mag check animation for some reason instead of having them seperate

[wild jolt]

interesting! well, maybe with some adjustments and clearer visual info, i would'nt mind keeping it as is

i read on the BBR wiki that the animation locks you from shooting (which makes sense), but annoying if the animation takes forever to finish

[stoic marsh]

it takes a second/ second and a half, which is super long for a mag check

should either be at most half a second, or you hold the mag as long as you hold the "mag check" button

the inspection should be somethign else entirely

[wild jolt]

yee agree, and probably a death sentence on 128v128 where the action is pretty active.
interesting suggestion with the hold button, that could work if the animation would be canceled in an instant once let go

[stoic marsh]

or at least stop partway and put the mag back in

thinking like ready or not's mag check. its quick at all times

[wild jolt]

yea good example, they do it really fluent and quickly

that i could work with

[stoic marsh]

I don't mind an inspection taking a while, but Mag check should always be quick

[lucid totem]

Animation lenght depends entirely on the gun you are using

Some are really quick, others not so much

[stoic marsh]

really none are a quick as a check should be

[lucid totem]

Some kinda are but again, entirely depends on the gun you are using

And yeah should be faster for most guns still

[stoic marsh]

like I said the mag check should not take more than .75 seconds to complete, or else you might as well reload

Belts could be an exception