View of the city from a highrise.

[lunar walrus]

Its looks like a good nest for sniper, but keep in mind that that place will be under fire from any direction of the city.

[pulsar sapphire]

yeah i'd expect sniping to be about as hard if not harder than lonovo

the sightlines are better, but you are unlikely to spot a counter sniper first

[molten apex]

a 4 lane highway in the middle of mid risers is the most American thing I saw today

[azure tundra]

w h e n

anyway good job, vertical maps is my favorite

[violet wing]

More verticality huh? Just adds to the alredy overpresent chaos. And then people complain why half of the team are recons...
Anyways, it looks like another map that punishes vehicles for existing

[half meadow]

Can you bring the building This is taken from down?

[fresh pelican]

we love sniping! we love having to play vietcong evey game!

[lunar osprey]

It just looks way too fucking big. It's very impressive and very cool but how am i supposed to find players in a massive map like that unless I'm directly on objectives

[slate ruin]

its smaller than tensatown

[lunar osprey]

I hope the objectives are concentrated in the city and aren't too spread apart, since that would probably mitigate the issue

[lunar osprey]

Oh, I was unaware. In that case the map looks sick as hell

I can't believe I'm saying this but thanks Battlekot. You're doing some actually good work.

[lunar osprey]

Vehicle's should have some safe pathways around the outskirts, and the center will probably be more sketchy and dangerous. Just like tensa but more

Chaos is fun. That's why people like clusterfucks like namak and old basra

[violet wing]

Not good enough if there supposed to be Conq layer.

[violet wing]

And that's why we can get half a lobby of recons too

[lunar osprey]

You're exaggerating

It's at most a third

[violet wing]

no?

[hybrid lance]

Imma be real buff vehicles instead of catering an entire map to them

[violet wing]

I have seen 60% more than once, scary thing to see, no one too shoot on points

[lunar osprey]

Is that common or???

[hybrid lance]

And ive never seen a lobby thats 60% recons
Maybe on dusty but never that much

[violet wing]

It's not about "catering map to them" , it's more about making maps that doesn't work against them, and can allow them to play to their strengths

[violet wing]

INFCONQ basra 64v64, bad times

[hybrid lance]

While yes, making maps to allow better movement across the board fot vehicles is good, majority of the problems with vehicles stem from their physics and just how weak many of them are

Id take a vehicle buff first

[lunar osprey]

64 old basra maybe

But 128 is (or used to be before the player dip) the most popular option

Edge cases shouldn't be what you form your opinion on. Anything can happen if you give an ideal situation for it within enough playtime

[lunar osprey]

If they worked against them you wouldn't see people driving cars, they would just be left in the spawn. Only place I've seen that happen is in waki cuz of the bridge

I do agree though that vehicles should be buffed

And long range tanks maybe nerfed to give dropoff in damage, atleast for infantry

[violet wing]

It would be better if maps weren't very narrow, full of destructible obstacles, no space to turn around, not to mention using mobility, so many corners and windows for a lot LoS to shoot with RPG or run up with C4, a lot of verticality where you can't elevate gun high enough

[violet wing]

Both. You will not get good vehicle expirience with only one thing, and this is map related channel

[lunar osprey]

Homie you can literally go around flank routes.

If you drive a vehicle in a cramped area or in the middle of action yeah you'll have a bad time

[hybrid lance]

Maps are narrow only when you are in the middle of a city or something which is the entire point of that area
And it wouldnt half of an issue if vehicles were more durable

[violet wing]

Incentivising camping outside of main action area instead of some kind of PTFO = bad idea.

[hybrid lance]

Also if all classes didnt have access to c4 and heat just being busted af

[lunar osprey]

How often do you see infantry vehicles camp out of the action, rather than drive around and then into a flank

Again it's just not how people play, you're making up a scenario that doesn't happen

[hybrid lance]

Id prioritise those changes in particular over more map changes

[violet wing]

yes, and that's bad, promotes camping and staying far from action
maybe, both things need to be changed. Look at how BF does maps. Look at Zavod, or Transmition, SoS, Caspian border etc

[lunar osprey]

The only case i can see people camping out of main action is on maps with long view areas from spawn areas like dusty dew, which is where Tank sniping happens.

Which is again an edge case

[violet wing]

My random guy. Buffs will not change that much. Map design also needs to take combined arms into the account. and this is map related channel, so let's talk about maps here

[lunar osprey]

Hard disagree. Vehicle's deserve to be punished for playing a risky playstyle, rather than being difficult to hit because of many areas to do risk-free drivebys

They could just leave if things get bad if it wasn't so cramped. Making it more open also affects more than just vehicles, it also affects the paths people walk and gameplay. No one wants another lenovo

[violet wing]

Also Sandy, Valley, Multu, Eduardovo, Basra etc. Majority of maps have people camping in vehicles, if they are smart enough to not die in 2 mins, because maps doesn't allow for much more. Sure, vehicles needing a buffs also takes part in that, but maps definitely help in that a lot.

[violet wing]

Not a place for that disscusion

[lunar osprey]

You're literally discussing it right now

[violet wing]

I am talking about maps here

[lunar osprey]

And I'm not?

[violet wing]

I don't think so

[lunar osprey]

Pretty sure we're both talking about changing the maps to give less risk for vehicles

[violet wing]

maybe? I am talking about maps punishing vehicles for trying to play there, which they do. In many ways

[lunar osprey]

Okay then how about we find some common ground

What changes would you want? A good one i think would minimally effect the gameplay but make vehicles better is more curved road turns rather than a direct turn left

Or intersections

[hybrid lance]

They are gonna do a lot for vehicles
Removing C4 from some classes reduced the risk of someone running up to you
Giving frag rpg the infantry damage that heat currently has (and giving heat current frag rpg infantry damage) would also do wonders
Of course the combined arms thing has to taken into consideration
But the first step has to be to buff vehicles first

Combine thag with making some tougher they would be far more reliable

[lunar osprey]

I agree strongly with palma but i also think drzewn might have some merit too. I'm willing to hear them out

[violet wing]

More space, to maneuver, to create bigger buffor for c4 runners bymore space to ran through
More freedom of movement, so less obstacles that stop you instantly
Less verticality, so less angles to look at
Less angles overall, those two benefit inf too, creating less chaos
More space to leverage mobility advantage, basically everything that BF maps do.

Basically, look at Siege of Shanghai, it's a city map done right, if you want combined arms maps (aricraft excluded)

[hybrid lance]

More freedom of movement can be partially solved if you allowed vehicles to actually turn more

Like rn vehicles like humviees can barely turn

On some its kinda better but still very restrictive

Should also probably mention this, but iirc the taller buildings on this new map are gonna have the first 2 floors actually accessible

And roof can be climbed with like ropes and all

Infact if you take a look at the posted picture closely you can see that the majority of the floor are completely inaccesible

[violet wing]

sure. But maps like Tensa, Lonovo, salhan, frugis still will be nightmare, but vehicles are present there, so dev's intend for such game play there.

[violet wing]

Doesn't change a thing, people will be spamming anything driving in LoS with rpg's from the top. Squad spawning exists.

[hybrid lance]

Frankly vehicles do have a tough time in tigher maps, especially tensa and frugis
Lonovo and salhan are kinda bearable

Not great but can be bearable

[hybrid lance]

It does kinda
Its pretty much just at the top or bottom of a single building rather than looking through every single floor to make sure its safe

[lunar osprey]

I agree with most of what you said here, besides angles. These seem like much better ideas, and i do agree there's way too many props or details near roads that aren't destructible by cars

Changing rpgs so infantry is actually for infantry and heat is just for buildings/vehicles would decrease the number of players using heat, making it less likely in general

[violet wing]

You will be spammed from multiple angles, with no way to fight back, unless you are far enough.

[hybrid lance]

Not to mention removing C4 from medic for example

[violet wing]

if that ever will be a thing, but sure

let's speak about buffs that never will be, instead of discussing faults in map design.

Respectfully, maps are also important. And revelant.

[hybrid lance]

Agreed

[lunar osprey]

Agreed

Having maps incentive snipers to camp in areas closer to the action so that they can actually be fought back at, rather than them being able to sit miles in the backlines

That's the biggest issue i have with maps that is overlooked

I genuinely think if snipers had to be more involved they would be less of a problem as it would be easier to kill them and piss them off

They would be essentially insects getting a few clean kills from above

Which is exactly why i like the map, the assuming the high-rise has an easy way to get up relatively quickly you could actually fight back against snipers

An elevator, flights of stairs, fire escape routes, scaffolding, ropes... Etc

Unfortunately the only way up looks to be a stairwell, which would take a long time to climb, could be easily barricaded, and could just have one claymore to stop a push

I hope vila sees this because i genuinely think it's something that should be addressed before release

[pulsar sapphire]

every tall building should have multiple ways up or an adjacent angle of attack

[lunar osprey]

Multiple routes up a building would be ideal so there would be more spots to cover

[lunar osprey]

EXACTLY

[pulsar sapphire]

if all i need to do as recon is put down 3 mines to have the roof to myself then it's too easy for me

[lunar osprey]

Please battlekot don't let this oversight ruin the map...

I beg you

It looks so good

🥲

I'm tempted to @ him but i don't wanna get banned for the cause

Just don't know how to contact him

[quiet linden]

please add UN building or Amnesty International

so I can take it down

🫃

[lunar osprey]

Kek

[blissful hemlock]

When?

[quiet linden]

2-3 weeks

perhaps

[lunar osprey]

If they don't delay it again

The event says march 26th...

[blissful hemlock]

That is so far away though.

[lunar osprey]

Yeah. Let's hope we get a new gun or something for waiting so long

[final wolf]

lenovo 2.0

[lunar osprey]

Lenovo but good?

[solemn steeple]

this looks like camper heaven

[raw summit]

reminds me of that one unturned map 🙂

[grim fjord]

Weird they all do.

[shut brook]

I love the warzone map

[muted fox]

very cute view

now give us some content jesus christ

[shy zephyr]

looks a bit like lonovo to me

[lunar osprey]

But.. it's smaller than tensa

😭

[shut brook]

🤷

[half meadow]

Okay can someone please tell me if the big building where all the snipers are going to try to camp can be destroyed?

[lunar osprey]

Probably not, but it can be barricaded and camped if you really hate them

1 smg user + 1 medic + 1 support box = easy destruction

The intersection bridge can apparently be destroyed tho

[lunar walrus]

its slight bigger than tensa city part itself.
The city part is more size of Lonovo icluding hills/forest area of Lonovo

[lunar osprey]

Thank you for the Clarification.

I wanted to mention that it seems there's only one way to get up the buildings roofs, making them easy to camp and defend for snipers. If there were multiple access ways, they would have a harder time defending from enemies coming up

Scaffolding, ladders, elevator shaft, or some adjacent buildings to jump from would help with this

[lunar walrus]

There is not much space for that.
Mostly its inner + outside door / ladder.

[lunar osprey]

alright, I guess i'll have to wait to see how it plays out then. Thanks for replying :)

[lunar walrus]

there is no parashutes, so destroy all stairs = lock yourself at roof until someone destroy building.

• there will be around 3 armed little birds per team, so stay on the roof can be spicy.

[lunar osprey]

wasn't aware you could destroy those big buildings, that makes it much better for countering

in that case yeah i agree

[lunar walrus]

#dev-wip message

[lunar osprey]

I just must've missed that, my apologies

[frozen estuary]

yes sir, camper time

[lunar osprey]

Can't camp if the building below you blows up