Road to new map.

[nova tapir]

🌵 🦅 ☀️

[dreamy dune]

Horses when

[nimble moon]

kd o update

[zenith sedge]

where's update

[worthy tulip]

Yee haw

[dense wraith]

🤠

[tepid vessel]

Route 66

[white flower]

Tanks?

[fallen plinth]

[distant goblet]

surely snipers and dmrs wont be a problem 🙂

[past quail]

I'd opt for new guns and bug fixes

#game-bugs

[royal pine]

add a lever action rifle you cowards

[upper pendant]

Oh no

[orchid pagoda]

another 1km x 1km "infantry" map

[dapper garnet]

so we gettin' free cowboy hats for this, right?

[grizzled marsh]

true？1kmx1km “infantry”map?

plz dont make another Kodiak

Kodiak is so shit

Because of its map tone

[red crater]

Surely this map will be good

[candid pond]

battlebit redemption 2

[red crater]

Surely there won't be spots where snipers and dmrs can't be touched

[candid pond]

get us colt single armies and become cowboys

[red crater]

Surely this will save the game

[orchid pagoda]

surely

[bold wagon]

YEEEHAWWWWWW

[hollow remnant]

revolvers only when we play this one bois

[silk flame]

the length of this road is like from here and to december start...

[little coral]

Cacti! Add horses to the game now.

[dire hound]

YEEEEEEHAW 🤠

[hazy nymph]

Albuquerque New mexico map when?

i want be walter white on the battle field

[graceful violet]

so where is the update ?

[forest oasis]

E a atualização?

[valid kindle]

cool man..

[light charm]

Needs a blackhawk helicopter undoubtedly!

[frosty ether]

2-3 weeks

[river oracle]

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[half lantern]

this give me Arizona sunshine vibes

[manic basalt]

Bruh that place in Arizona

[river star]

MEXICO???????

[viscid osprey]

Awesome, but I think the sun should be higher in the sky.

[chrome sorrel]

The border😎

La frontera!

[trim kestrel]

where big old rusty wattertank with mapname written on it?

[upbeat pecan]

I hope the map won't be another running around in circles, with lots of open areas where snipers will love you very much. I also hope there will be normal visibility.

[trim kestrel]

Can we please have cowboyhats and those face bandanas to be true outlaws?

[upbeat pecan]

Just for the 10th prestige. You must prove yourself worthy of the Wild West.

[trim kestrel]

well cya later spacecowboy. Road to prestige 10

Either you yee your last haw or see your self becoming prestige 10

Only revolver gamemode for this map plz

Add some random maxwells to the map

[uneven rover]

Choose better color palettes

Reason why no one plays outskirts

[trim kestrel]

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Maxwells

[upbeat pecan]

Or not so many empty spaces that it's not a sniper's paradise like the new Basra

[agile star]

You gotta make the cacti hurt you

[harsh crest]

Another one huge map, where snipers will make you crazy. Nice.

[glossy olive]

So excited for it to be picked for a month straight.

Cool concept but if you can get on the rocks it's immediately ruined. Atleast it looks like you can mostly smoke through the choke point, but then again it'll just be support turret paradise.

You made some fun maps before so I'm cautiously optimistic about how it turns out. Just don't make the same mistakes as last time and listen to what the people hate about the newer ""revamps"". I believe in you homie 💪
(While you're at it though, revert the new barsa or atleast allow us to play the old one on community servers. Thx)

[patent thorn]

fallout New: Vegas vibes

[midnight herald]

i forsee mine tunnels that snake everywhere. then you collapse them.

[boreal torrent]

Howdy partner 🤠

[cyan wharf]

Road to new map

but no road map

[lilac scarab]

COUNTRY ROADS TAKE ME HOME TO THE PLACE I BELONG

[molten girder]

Man finally this one is being released

Can we get some guns along with it?

[sturdy bronze]

Now we only new an update

[maiden tangle]

Second! If the [Redacted] was correct, there's still a decent amount of guns to be added.

[obsidian palm]

this map was teaser in +-21.05.2023 yo

great work Vilaskis👏

[hearty inlet]

Pretty sure you can play old maps on community servers, I've ended up playing older versions of maps from the beta on some of them

[delicate ledge]

Please tell me that you cant climb these rocks

It will be sniper mayhem otherwise

[vague imp]

new map, new weapons?

[worthy tulip]

Big iron confirmed

[upbeat pecan]

I for one hope this isn't a remake of Salhan. Which no one asked for, like with Basra.

[grizzled marsh]

really？many maps is shit

[stuck pagoda]

when Favela-like map?

[zinc dagger]

Awesome map!

Cannot wait to play it! :3

[gentle slate]

thats basically frugis with another skin

[glossy olive]

He's being sarcastic.

[glossy olive]

Favela would likely stretch the entire map if it was accurate, and also have much more tiny corridors or small buildings.

Although it wouldn't play well. No good place to drive vehicles, and those that do are constantly under threat of being rpged or c4'd. It would have to be really small to make it easier to find people, even for 127.

[glossy olive]

It has to be readded back into the game, community servers aren't magic. they can't use custom maps, only the ones provided by the devs. Old basra isn't in that list. Tell me, have you played the old basra once since it's revamp?

[grizzled marsh]

we need new weapon！

[upbeat pecan]

Why? We have a bunch of weapons that just aren't weapons and need rebalancing. I think it's easier to work with what we have than to create new unnecessary weapons.

[glossy olive]

There's been new weapons waiting for release for months now, devs just don't think it's the right time to release them. :/
Maybe this update... Probably not tho

[manic hornet]

why not?

[upbeat pecan]

I wrote about it yesterday in the ru channel

[glossy olive]

Because new weapons are cool. People like more options.

[deft token]

Operation Locker when

[hearty inlet]

Not sure what the hostility is for, I was just pointing out that servers could run old maps. I understand it's not magic, you don't need to be shitty with me, I didn't know old basra wasn't already an option

[glossy olive]

My apologies, I'm just tired. You're right though it was uncalled for

[hearty inlet]

No worries, it happens. If that's the case though, I do agree, having old basra available would be nice

[deft token]

As for new weapons i'd like to see lesser known/used guns

Would be fun to spice up the variety instead of seeing the 1000000th M16A4

[cyan wharf]

the weapons which will come were already leaked long ago

you can check reddit or yt

[short pebble]

Add a musket

[deft token]

i remember some of them

still want more lesser known weapons

bullpup svd

vks

ukrainian bullpup ak

[cyan wharf]

there's a spreadsheet

with hundreds of redundant weapons

suggested so far

dont think vks or bullpup ak is there

[deft token]

vks is a big ass dmr

[wispy sandal]

Older guns pls

[deft token]

SVT-40

[wispy sandal]

I just want garand and sks, maybe mosin and 1903 Springfield

Actually tho we have m14 ebr already might as well add that Chinese sks that takes ak mags

Insurgency sandstorm added a garand years ago and I've run it unironically since

[misty vine]

I think shotguns or close range weapons should be added, I mean I'm playing in the engineer class and a shotgun wouldn't be bad.

I am in a very difficult situation in close combat or in residential areas.

[wispy sandal]

shot guns are a balance nightmare and the high rate of fire smgs fill that close range roll

[upbeat pecan]

Shotguns will never appear

[wispy sandal]

(im a shot gun enjoyer as well but i get why devs dont want them)

[cerulean forge]

hopefully it will be difficult to get on top of those rocks

otherwise snipers will be very annoying

[mental dust]

Add quicksand

Players would get submerged to their waist

And would make the environment more dangerous

[stone quiver]

Add it to Frontline. Oh yeah... you discontinued it for invasion.

[worthy tulip]

Frontline still exists

[stone quiver]

Vilaskis discontinued working on it, minus minor bug fixes. No maps will be added and he won't be tweaking for the better.

[worthy tulip]

Source?

[stone quiver]

Dude. He said it himself when invasion came out

I'm not going go find the post

[worthy tulip]

Where

[stone quiver]

Here. I don't remember where specifically on bbr official.

Also, old basra, one of the maps fl had, is gone now.

[worthy tulip]

Well yea its gone since new one came out
Old basra will prolly come back in community servers or something

[stone quiver]

You'd think if fl wasn't get snuffed out he would have added it to the new Basra.

[worthy tulip]

I dont think fl would work well on new Basra anyways

[stone quiver]

https://i.imgur.com/0XNwavg.png

[worthy tulip]

I see
He did say hes abandoning it "for now"

Will come back eventually then

[stone quiver]

he's going to push the koth fl-esk thing. This won't come for a long long time and we all know it.

[worthy tulip]

Eh whatever

[spark jungle]

i think its name should be "Mesa"

[fierce widget]

Is this Arizona fr?

[cyan wharf]

I think it's based off Latin America 🤓

[little coral]

You have all of the pdws on engi. What are u talking about no cqc options?

[little coral]

U would say that

[spark jungle]

:crowbar_emoji:

i wish i had nitro

actually a black mesa map would be cool fr

security vs hecu

just imagine you fight with special trained soldiers who was sent to kill anyone in the facility or you fight with facility guards which special trained to protect everyone in the facility

[wispy sandal]

Crow bar skin for sledge hammer

[little coral]

What biomes or environments would you all love to see in a map form.

[deft token]

snow

total snow

[little coral]

Add snowmobiles and tobogganing? Build a skislope map with working chairlifts.

[deft token]

blizzard

[coral breach]

WEED FIELDS pls

[deft token]

Dont want my pilots high

[coral breach]

i dont fly

[obtuse ravine]

can we have old basra added pls

[glossy olive]

I beg of you

[deft token]

can we crouch on water pls

[pseudo gyro]

smells like sniper camping spot

[orchid pagoda]

you mean prone

you can't prone in water, but you can crouch

[worthy tulip]

Cant crouch all the time sadly

[orchid pagoda]

in toe-depth water

[worthy tulip]

Sometimes even then you cant crouch

[orchid pagoda]

on basra and various other toe-depth water maps you can't prone but you can definitely crouch

[worthy tulip]

Mad inconsistent

[orchid pagoda]

oh i never experienced that. interesting

[worthy tulip]

Somewhere you can 100% but other times just no

[orchid pagoda]

depends on depth i guess but unless it forces you to stow guns or dips head below water level i also believe we should be able to at least crouch

and prone

[worthy tulip]

If its below toe level it usually should let you chouch

At ankle level you cant crouch

[forest oasis]

SPOILER_2024Q1Teaser1.png (Name of the file)
This mean there's gonna be more Teaser's, huh?

[deft token]

Always gonna be

[pliant basin]

Oh this is gonna be good 😌

[patent trench]

Do we really need more maps?

[crisp siren]

Yes more maps are fun.

[cerulean forge]

hopefully voting will be changed soon so we can actually play the new maps

[frosty ether]

I just want old basra back

[valid kindle]

finally being released 👀

[deft token]

i want more cqc maps

Like Namak, playing on big maps is fun but it gets tiring of the stupid long ranges

Gimme something like operation locker or metro

[obsidian palm]

scrim maybe?

[valid kindle]

yea no

[autumn mango]

can this map have recon banned + support cannot wear heavy armour?

[gritty sonnet]

so 3 weeks until we get map

[bold wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/sueñitosgifs-traumatized-mr-incredible-los-increibles-meme-gif-24305569

[cyan wharf]

mooshroom island

[half lantern]

istg we need a story of these maps

[half lantern]

I'd like to see a map set in full snow, maybe have a huge field of ice without cover, meant for free for all combat

[flint fiber]

A map that takes place in some kind of combination metro/pipe network focused on big indoor environments would be cool

I’ll post the image I was grabbing as a ref elsewhere

[little coral]

🏜️

[delicate hamlet]

Win94, and colt revolver?

[bold wagon]

Oki said himself no weapons from before 1960s really

doesnt mean we couldnt get a modern lever action

[half lantern]

Hopefully this map has some el Alamein vibes from 1942 to it, or maybe Nebandan Flats from BF3

[real stump]

i need the ghillie update man

[surreal jungle]

Cringe

[half lantern]

awww, that means we won't get something like a Mare's Leg or a Marlin 336

[bold wagon]

Yeah :/

[obsidian palm]

ARA prime against ethereal prime?

[proper compass]

I just hope it doesn't play like the new dustydew

[deft token]

i hate new dusty

[clear zenith]

When update?

[deft token]

Q1 2025

[clear zenith]

Long

I want to live until the time when mortars, trenches are added to the game...

[sturdy bronze]

When update?

[gentle slate]

Probably it'll take at least two more weeks

[deft token]

I'd love for artillery to be added to the game, at least in the milsim version

[robust cedar]

mortar killstreak

[forest oasis]

When update?

[orchid pagoda]

good luck bringing any good players back

[obsidian palm]

if we going do scrims, i guess a lot of player bringing back
btw, in prime Battlebit we have and anothers good clans like reborn/gromp

[analog sorrel]

no i feel this terrain layout is so like multuisland

and multuisland, i dont want to discuss that shit

sniper just stay up there and grappling hook is needed and no other way to just direct walk up or needed to go behind and force you to pass through there

[hasty adder]

Bedge

[red crater]

Nah it's gonna be good

Vilaskis knows what he's doing

[analog sorrel]

Okay, tell me what is the main idea of new basra? How vilaskis expecting the players play this map

like what is the way to attack the points? and how to defend the points? how to go through the points?

[deft token]

you shoot people

[analog sorrel]

and from where

[deft token]

This is literally a teaser

the fuck you expect?

[analog sorrel]

A teaser that look really similar to a worst map he designed before

especially the terrain

Didn't you feel the high ground with extreme slope and channel between high ground is so like the multuisland was

And we know, vilaski really like MANY high ground with extreme slope

and look at this map tone, i'm praying it is not like kodiak and zalibay

You know what

I feel vilaski was just trying to make the map beautiful but not considering the terrain layout is reasonable or not, is it balance for both side? Not talking the buildings placement yet

Don't know was he really tried to play his own map

[glossy olive]

LMAO

[glossy olive]

Summed up my thoughts exactly. Surely vila learned his lesson and will listen to the criticism & feedback though, right?

[graceful violet]

So where is the update?

Is that a dead game???

[worthy tulip]

Mid feb

[leaden monolith]

Cant wait for the soundboard people to play the goid, the bad and the ugly here

[half lantern]

Yeah it would be great if we can call in artillery strikes ngl, or airstrikes

[grizzled marsh]

I've played this game for 600 hours and I've played all my guns. And I've played with all the maps, I need something new now, it's impossible to count on a new map, it's better to have some new weapons for me to play.

[orchid pagoda]

or... fixes to all maps and not just uploading "reworks" which in some cases are flat out worse, by trimming existing maps to fit the gamemode instead of every map being a huge square

plus objective/cover/path placement which all contribute to playstyle meta

on some maps recons camp in spawn because the map is so open and spawn has a direct line of sight to the center of the map

are we going to nerf snipers more? buff them? what if, hear me out, we balanced the maps so they are not for unturned and are designed for a game like battlefield?

[river oracle]

after a certain point, almost echoing the same people have said with oki, there's no way one person is able to keep up with the demand for both new maps and adjusts to old maps, especially while they're "on a learning journey"

[valid kindle]

new maps makes number go up, big number makes game look good

🤔

[river oracle]

While I do enjoy some of the newer maps like tensa and outskirts, and have decent games on others like zalfi, there's always something off that just needs different sets of experienced eyes to point it out

I'm not those eyes, so seeing the maps, especially in teasers only allows me to say "damn that looks cool" until I play on it over and over again

[valid kindle]

for me, new maps basically dont provide any new experience for me. Nearly all the maps may as well be recolors of each other.

[river oracle]

reworking old maps isn't going to fix anything, especially with reworks being complete overhauls to the point of minor recognizability

I don't feel old district at all when playing outskirts

or when playing district

[valid kindle]

that is a fact

[river oracle]

what I can say for a lot of the maps is that for an environmental artist, Vilaskis is very skilled, and I feel that's what he brought from unturned the most

[orchid pagoda]

i mean at the end of the day it's not just how the map is laid out but how the borders and limits are for each game mode which is my main gripe

how spawns are drawn to where points are located, on top of the already atrocious design of most maps

one of my favorite and imo balanced maps (being where spawn camp can go either way, not always one team having advantage) is old_namak and only because it's an urban mess

no thought besides building spam

[stone quiver]

It won't be another dusty dew disaster.

[willow hamlet]

Looks sick. Less colourful than kodiak but still has a distinct vibe. Love it

[orchid pagoda]

didn't we say this about kodiak

infantry map my battleballs

there is a tower in the middle of nowhere and a foliage update which made visibility worse on the one map it was meant to fix

[stone quiver]

It won't be another Kodiak problem.

[orchid pagoda]

maybe it’ll be a zalfibay problem, except worse because the water is dry. i haven’t seen the old map that the veterans were referencing being taken out of storage so i pray it’s not like that

[split quarry]

I really hope not, and I've been thinking allot about maps mately, cus it's odd to me how dusty dew feels like a sniper hell whole, when it seems to have so much cover, while wakistan is quiet fun to play against, even tho it's the sniper map

I think it's down to the flow of the terrain, and bush density, in wakistan the ridges flow up and down quiet nicely, it's got a GREAT balance between being able to advance and still having angles to fight people at decent distances.

Another think that battlebit doesn't do very well in my opinion is vertical movement, it looks cluncky and abrupt and jerky. And it doesn't help when there's SO many high transitions implemented into maps, like all the rocks on Dusty Dew. I think there's many factors really breaking the flow of combat in allot of maps, and we should discuss about those.

I really feel like the maps are the worst aspect of this game right now 😦 but I'm not saying this a constructive way, something we need to fix.

[grizzled marsh]

Instead of having the map redone now, you can just add a new map.

dont rework old map.plz make new map and back old map

for example old dis

I think it seemed to be ranked 4th among the players' favorite maps

[orchid pagoda]

old district aside, the rest of the old maps need trimming in one way or another

[grizzled marsh]

Please don't let vil redo the map again, let him make some completely new maps

[grizzled marsh]

true.For some maps, the safe zone is too large, resulting in too many snipers.

new district and new basra so bad

i hate these new maps

playtest and now i played bbr about 800h

[worthy tulip]

Imma be real, i really like new district over the old one
Only reason reason i remember the old one is cause of the bunker on C

Like that whole bunker is great

New district is just miles better visually and gameplay wise imo

[worthy tulip]

I agree with this
A lot of maps need whole chunks to be removed cause they are literally not used by a single soul

Like wakistan for example

Whole left side of the map and whatever is on the right is outright not needed

Other than trimming, minor tweaks to the maps could also work
Not full reworks, just adding, deleting or moving some stuff here and there

And also tweaking safe zones

And where the points are located

[sturdy bronze]

when update?

[worthy tulip]

Mid february

Around 11th

[sturdy bronze]

when update

[manic hornet]

tomorrow

[sturdy bronze]

when update

[wide oar]

Today! It is live, got to love the new gun AN 94

[sturdy bronze]

when update

[rare forum]

when update

[nova tapir]

One day i want to make a map for DMR & snipers & Tanks safe zone campers main's only, so peoples will know what is real map for DMR and snipers and have something to compare and hate

but due there is no real sniper main map only in official rotation, peoples do not have anything to compare with except Valley.

[distant goblet]

the problem is that people already perceive that snipers and dmrs are a problem in the majority of maps (wakistan, basra, valley, sandy sunset, multuisland etc)

even with all the nerfs the problem is that the maps cater to that playstyle too hard and normal infantry players find it toxic

the basra sightlines are prolly the worst offenders out of the newest maps imo

I'm not a map designer so obviously idk what I'm talking about but these seems to be a shared sentiment amongst a lot of people that I talk to

[little coral]

Just keep making what you want vilaskis!

[distant goblet]

simply making a "sniper dmr map" will not change people opinions about snipers and dmrs because the flaws will still exist on the current maps

btw i have massive respect for you guys i hope i am not being too abrasive

[nova tapir]

sniper dmr map will let people see that current maps could be even worse with sniper problem.
But tbh, even if make a metro/locker map the sniper and drm will still rock here, due you can peak from corner, make few critical shots at distance up to 20meters and come back.

Unless make a locker map with corridor maze wherea are its a turn each 15 meters.

[distant goblet]

I understand that you think making a sniper map will change people's understanding about how much of a problem sniping is, my contention is that people already have sniping as one of their top 3 biggest complaints about the game

I think maps like tensatown are so popular because there is enough cover to make tactical maneuvers without getting sniper/dmred every time

[little coral]

Snipers and dmrs are the least of my problems in this game. Unless I'm standing still.

[distant goblet]

snipers are prolly the biggest barrier to making tactical plays because there are so many areas on different maps that are pretty much wide open ex valley, sandysunset outside the city, kodiak fields area etc

if a couple more pieces of cover/trenches (like the forested area on tensa) were added to these areas I think these maps would become more popular, in my opinion

[little coral]

Any unique buildings coming to this new map?

[distant goblet]

if you look at the map/75% of players are hard camping, and the other 25% are using smgs to move as fast as possible

imo this is the result of the sniper/dmr dynamic that is present on most of the maps

[little coral]

I'm that 25%

[distant goblet]

I think the whole dynamic of hard camping vs bomb rushing with smg/p90 is toxic gameplay and the biggest contributor is the way maps are catered towards sniping/dmr

[little coral]

I hope we can blow up that stone arch in the sneak peak of the new map

[valid kindle]

pretty much this

[glossy olive]

WTF is this take? Saying you could make it worse does not make what is available any better. You're missing the point entirely and just calling valid criticism unjustified. If people dislike certain decisions of the map philosophy, maybe it's because it isn't fun to play.

Come on man you're better than this just listen to what people have to say, even for just one map i promise it'll make such a big difference

[river oracle]

explain sandy and waki's popularity

Truth is half of the game is in fact snipers

people enjoy sniping

s'all hopeless

[distant goblet]

after 90% of the game's population has left, the only people who are playing consistenly are those whose natural playstyle aligns with the current design philosophy

imo the large departure of the game's playerbase is due to toxic gameplay elements that are reinforced by the map design

[glossy olive]

Snipers aren't the issue, it's the map that makes them annoying. Having a sniper miles away sniping at you when you're forced to push through a clearing isn't fun. Having snipers forced to be in areas that can be pushed (such as rooftops or on close hills) would actually substantially improve the counter play against them. No one wants to walk a mile just to kill 1 guy.

[river oracle]

so natural design managed to hit both extremes of movement and stationary play

yeesh

[glossy olive]

Because they have areas with cqc in the middle, and snipers get good angles. Just make the map a bit smaller so there's isn't so many empty land in the middle of nowhere and it would be a great map. Same with waki, the bridge and objectives are really fun at times

People only go into the middle of nowhere if they're snipers or if they're annoyed by snipers and actively trying to kill only them at the cost of playing objectives

[distant goblet]

sorry the design element i was referring to is the dynamic between bomb rushing/hard camping that is caused by the lack of tactical maneurability on most of the maps. For example it's pretty much impossible to move from cover to cover on valley because you will almost always get sniped - this leads to people picking snipers/dmrs themselves and camping, or picking smgs/p90 and spawn-die on repeat - imo this is not fun gameplay

another example is that playing outside of the city on sandy sunset feels horrible because snipers can camp the cliffsides and there's no cover between the city and the other objectives

so 90% of the firefights occur in the city

[valid kindle]

also true

[quasi dragon]

pls locker and metro maps

[glossy olive]

Maps more catered to cqc with sniper nests that can be pushed and aren't super far away would be perfect (namak). Same with bigger maps with plenty of cover (district)

You've done it before vila just keep iterating on that formula

[river oracle]

Not a bad take tbh

Although I wouldn't take the blame completely off the weapon classes

[glossy olive]

I think in some regards smgs are too strong just because people hate them but at the same time they seem fine enough

Some classes still aren't balanced well, snipers have no gadgets and support exo being really annoying to counter with people playing like literal turrets

But honestly it isn't the biggest issue imo, maps are

That's just my opinion

[river oracle]

Course you nerf anyone they'll get up in arms

Though a blanket nerf is probably as fair as you can get, not that it would stop people from talking about the good old days

[glossy olive]

Completely agree

Everyone nerfed all at once, with some things that are weak buffed a bit

[quasi dragon]

we need maps with 512 players size

[glossy olive]

Anyways it's prolly not the place to talk about classes here lol

[glossy olive]

Yeah current maps are more like 1024 size lmao

[quasi dragon]

and the frugis metro?

[glossy olive]

Metro is way too big and all looks the same on frugis, it's only useful in some spots that become giant chokepoints

Seriously I've gotten lost in the Metro so many times just because i took a wrong turn

Then again I'm stupid but still they stretch for miles

It's a cool idea otherwise though. Just think a whole map based around the idea would have to look closer to that one objective on old basra, can't remember which one though

I think it was B?

[quasi dragon]

thats is in conquest

what if a map focused only in the metro section of frugis?

[glossy olive]

I would have to play it to find out if i liked it.

[quasi dragon]

its the closest feel to operation metro from bf4

[glossy olive]

Operation Metro copycat would be fun probably. Just don't think frugis Metro plays anything like that

[quasi dragon]

just an idea, maps focused only in specific sections for example the metro section of frugis, the bridge section of wakistan

[glossy olive]

Good idea

[quasi dragon]

and let the server decide the player limit, 32x32 64x64 127x127

for example let a server decide if it will be a map of 32x32 player size with 127x127 players and on

[river oracle]

Would never happen anyways

[glossy olive]

Kek

Maybe next patch...

[sturdy bronze]

when update?

[glossy olive]

Q1 2024

[flint heron]

Weekly updates ended?

[glossy olive]

Yeah Oki got super burnt out

It was never sustainable

[slow palm]

I think they're sustainable if they are paced well, oki was very ambitious with it

[glossy olive]

If Oki had more coders maybe. Weekly creative work is really hard especially with a community breathing down your neck with every decision

I respect his decision to take a break, he's really trying to make the game better even if he makes mistakes

He listens to feedback and tries to answer the demands of the people

Even at the cost of his vision

[fierce widget]

They've chosen to cut weekly guarranteed updates for the better of the game. They've got a lot to work on and it's great to see

[glossy olive]

Yeah i think it was a good decision.

They made the right choice

[deft token]

Oh yeah, while it was nice to see weekly uipdats it was not the right thing

[worthy tulip]

Yeah unless you got a lot of ppl weekly updates arent sustainable at all

[tawny drum]

Mass Wins

[uneven rover]

dont care, give the locker map

[glossy olive]

True af

[robust imp]

Texas civil war vibes

[glossy olive]

????

[frail light]

bruh

[wide oar]

guys I just spoted the AN-94 righ next to the furthest cactus

[sturdy bronze]

I need da update

[brisk echo]

Will the cactuses be able to hurt players?

[flat barn]

we dont need a new map

[sturdy bronze]

👀

[fierce widget]

But this is a game that gets updates, so like.. new map anyways 😎

[warm quarry]

Are there any plans for any new small scale map?

[midnight herald]

give me a map that's just a tunnel.

[gentle slate]

hahaha u want operation metro?

[midnight herald]

lmao yess

[white coral]

I think that would be 32v32 Domination on Frugis, it's just the subway

[midnight herald]

drat. I'm here for the 128vs 128.