integrals

[eager jacinth]

there is a quick way to add variety to all the guns, just add integral optional upgrades that stack ever so slightly with muzzles, or increase certain benefits from each while decreasing others-- Integral long barrel could increase accuracy and velocity benefits and allow more pdws to have underbarrels in exchange for slowing them down, but decrease recoil benefits, short barrel could improve recoil while nerfing accuracy benefits and making nerfs to it stronger. my main concern is most sidearms other than glock.

[sharp elk]

Accuracy is not what you think it is, decreasing it changes essentially nothing

[eager jacinth]

then pure velocity and underbarrels

[steady shell]

I'm prettybsure accuracy does do stuff, it's just that most weapons have such high accuracy that you can't tell

[sharp elk]

Accuracy is hipfire accuracy tmk not bullet variation
All guns are perfectly accurate while ADS

[steady shell]

I'm pretty sure that that's been confirmed as false but I'm not sure

[versed ember]

accuracy is for hip fire.

[void cedar]

Try and prove it exists for ADS in the shooting range. You’d be the first.

[tawdry urchin]

Play the range course, with low accuracy gun and try to hit targets far away

[void cedar]

with tap fire the shots land dead center, consistently with the lowest accuracy build in the game at 250m

for full auto you can't really test because there's so much recoil

[tawdry urchin]

When shooting ranges were added I remember that playing with a low accurate gun like mp grach or mp7, you had to shoot twice because the bullets did not go dead center, you had to use supressor to fix that, but still on longer ranges it didn't fixed much

[versed ember]

thats just horizontal recoil messing with you

[void cedar]

there is a stat in the game called this though

almost every gun has it at 100

[versed ember]

almost

[void cedar]

the kriss vector is the lowest at 85

so if spread makes any noticable difference, that's the best gun to try and observe it on

[versed ember]

hard to test with 1.1 horizontal

[void cedar]

yeah

I don't have software that takes clips over 60fps so it would be hard to analyse frame by frame even

[versed ember]

holy shit you actually see the spread a little i think

even with tap fire

or might be just visual idk

[void cedar]

I just tried tap firing at 250m with it 10 minutes ago

interestingly, there was more drop than the sight zeroing accounted for

but it landed on target once I got the height right

[versed ember]

i tapfire at a wall 50m away so i could see the bullet hit

and you know when the bullet hits it makes dust puff around

[void cedar]

yeah

[versed ember]

that spot changed slightly

with more zoom it doesnt show up so might be some visual shit

[tawdry urchin]

Nah, aimed at head perfectly, had no hitmarker thus no hit.

Recoil is irrelevant with semi auto weapons to the topic

[versed ember]

Then you did something wrong

[tawdry urchin]

Nah, aiming at head dead center, right zeroing, shoots
Bullet goes a few inches off target

[versed ember]

i have done those same tests on multiple guns and bullet hit the spot every time