PP19 sucks as it stands currently
MP5 damage drop off needs to be reviewed as well
#Review damage curve for PP19, MP5
steep canyon
finite vector
Does it tho. To me they are the only SMGs that are worth playing with
limber egret
buff badger
terse moth
pp19 sucks mp5 is a vibe tho
distant quiver
Does it tho. To me they are the only SMGs that are worth playing with
nonmeta slave spotted
distant quiver
Pp19 is ass it definitely needs a change to make it better
timber trellis
Idk. I've found it quite effective at hitting people at distance, especially those in partial cover. The guns lack of recoil makes hitting partially covered targets a breeze.
terse moth
but even if you hit, you don't damage lol
terse moth
ye, the mp5 just feels better in essentially every aspect
steep canyon
buff badger
they opened a feedback channel for it
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no threads for badger allowed
steep canyon
grim wind
Scorpion needs a buff
quartz adder
Scorpion needs a buff
no it doesn't
grim wind
Well @potent quartz I thought I'd try for you, but Odo knows better than you I guess...
rancid scroll
mp5 feels like a better hk419 rn dont think it needs a buff
the things that keep it from being broken is the velocity and dropoff
dull mulch
I mean I like the pp19 but yeah ttk is pretty slow
steep canyon
mp5 feels like a better hk419 rn dont think it needs a buff
blud which game are you playing ???? 💀
rancid scroll
blud which game are you playing ???? 💀
its litraly no recoil has a quick mag with little to no downsides
compared to the mp7 or p90 i guess its not as good but those guns are just sorta broken
steep canyon
its litraly no recoil has a quick mag with little to no downsides
if thats the reason, then wouldn't ak,m4 and f2k be broken as well ?
rancid scroll
if thats the reason, then wouldn't ak,m4 and f2k be broken as well ?
ak and m4 has slower firerate, f2k 5 hits best case from memory (without headshots)
steep canyon
no recoil with quick mag with little to no downsides
rancid scroll
no recoil with quick mag with little to no downsides
i said its like the hk but minus those downsides especialy if the falloff is increased
steep canyon
Hk has rifle damage curve
rancid scroll
Hk has rifle damage curve
im saying it shouldnt be buffed to that
rancid scroll
what are you saying it should be increased to?
steep canyon
less than mp7 but more than what it is currently
rancid scroll
thought it was the same as the mp7
just went into a game and it isnt i see what you mean now
steep canyon
steep canyon
@lime lichen whats good chump ? mind speaking ?
balmy vigil
Pp19 and mp5 should be "long range smgs" imo
But I also believe every gun shouldn't be on every class lol
steep canyon
I agree
sick heart
PP19 got very low recoil already, with lighting fast reload. But yeah, MP5 need some review.
tired lily
Damage curve is not the same as recoil
dull mulch
pp19 has good other stats but ttk is terrible, it just needs to be a bit faster and the gun would be great
distant quiver
pp19 has good other stats but ttk is terrible, it just needs to be a bit faster ...
needs to be a bit faster
elaborate please
dull mulch
it takes too many bullets to kill compared to other guns
idk the exact numbers but compare it to other smgs and youll see
distant quiver
so?
dull mulch
it should be buffed, like the post says
distant quiver
What do you mean by “a bit faster”
dull mulch
like I said I don't know the exact bullet to kill numbers, but they should be reduced by one or two. It's a numbers game really and you have to factor in that smgs have a 1.25x headshot multiplier and pp19 has good recoil so it has to be balanced with all that in mind.
basically just changing the damage
but again I don't have specific numbers they might be on a wiki or something tho
pretty sure some people have gathered ttk stats for the guns but idk where to find them
wide girder
PP19 main here. For a start, I'd buff damage to 27 (will only lower ttk in exo armor, according to chart), buff ADS speed by 0.02 and give it another extra mag. Just the bare minimum. This gun should be the AUG of SMGs (high ttk but low recoil, fast recharge, good at range). After that we can start thinking about the range curve (which I agree should be buffed slightly).
dull mulch
<@690334221856014756> you're explaining to blanks
thanks for the tip lol
vivid sun
i think g3 also have the old but scar h and all the others have the new one with dropping dmgn on 200 m
g3 "old" like all the snipers
bright sluice
Scorpion needs a buff
Scorpion needs a whole ass rework
I treat that bitch like a shotgun hip fire all day cuz that things recoil is crazy
terse moth
Scorpion needs a whole ass rework
bright sluice
You son of a. It’s so true fuck that things recoil snaps my wrist
terse moth
just pull down harder 
bright sluice
just pull down harder <:BBcool:330309273819021312>
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hallow fjord
stubby makes the evo better already, just 25kills