Reduce the health of the Blackhawk/Ka60

[primal hemlock]

The Helicopters in this game are impervious to nearly all forms of damage. Infantry groundfire, APC shells, Tank shells, RPGs, submachinegun/pistol rounds.
It can tank more damage than an armor vehicle on the ground when you have someone with a repair tool in the back with infinite, passive repairs. The one and only thing that can kill it is the Tandem Rocket which will 1 shot kill a helicopter at any health and critical tail rotor hits.

I suggest you reduce the basehealth of the blackhawk/ka60 and improve it in other areas by buffing pilot protection through the glass window cockpit and the lethality of the miniguns against infantry targets.

[dense cloak]

Well, I hope at least this won’t be downvoted. Good luck Slazenger

[nova pasture]

@primal hemlock arent you fall on BH with ONE SHOOT from BTR-80 ? Its possible, maybe back attack or random critical effect. And you dont even know when it will happen. Because you cant kill with your MP5 my helicopter in one clip with 12 (!!!) persons - you want to nerf it...

Will see how do you kill 12 attackers on the battlefield easily.

Personally agree that HP amount is bigger than could be, but that insta-die is idiotic stuff

Falling as in movie is cool, but you wait the heli for 3 minutes and 1 minute wait until crew gets in, and then... 0.5 seconds and you all dropped down, and all the crew counts its because of your pilot skills

[primal hemlock]

I don't understand a word you said. Your translator is not intelligible.

[nova pasture]

@primal hemlock yes, i just said that there's possibility to one-hit kill blackhawk (guess, randomly). also pilot could be killed.
but i personally agree the amount of HP is bigger than could be.
ps. seems random never worked as balance thing

[inner haven]

rather than nerfing it's health nerf the engi that's repairing

[primal hemlock]

I would love a complete reversion of the repair tool to how it was initially. The gameplay was certainly less r^tarded & immersion breaking where you wouldn't tank AP shells over and over again along with heat rpgs, since you would be forced to return home and repair.

[inner haven]

it's way too strong in a heli

[swift sparrow]

that's more a tank having shit damage than a repair tool being "broken", then again you griefed anyone who tried repairing, so why should we listen to you?

[quasi anvil]

it is in no way random, back rotor can get one shot by LAV/BTR and the heli will fall down

[nova pasture]

@quasi anvil do you have a video? i tried to shoot back rotor with littlebird and it seems like no hitbox. Or its armor like only AP penetrable like APC/tank armor for MG?

[quasi anvil]

shoot the very tail end of any of big helicopters with LAV OR BTR explicitly, and you will essentially one-shot them

there is even a dedicated "+800" for that

[nova pasture]

good, will do

[primal hemlock]

Bump!

[primal hemlock]

Bump

[main lichen]

whats funny is what actually can do damage to a heli:
Tank AP and HE rounds
BTR rounds
Humvee 7m
Rhib
Rcb 90
Tank turrets
rpg7 frag
rpg7 heat
rpg7 pgo7 frag
rpg7 pgo7 heat
rpg7 pgo7 tandem
Armed little bird
blackhawk
literally every primary weapon in the game

yeah sure, "impervious" to damage when almost anything that shoots a bullet can kill if not 1 shot a blackhawk, not to mention pilot hunters who will target any blackhawk crews

now dont get me wrong

a tank AP would probably fucking decimate an actual blackhawk

but as stated above, pretty much anyone can kill a blackhawk crew, if you have a small gun such as an m4 or aug, just shoot at the pilot

[inner haven]

more than half of those aren't consistent

[main lichen]

even still, something like a rhib can distract the heli to deal with it, not only temporarily removing it from the fight, but you could also have the ~48 enjineers on your team shoot at the heli

also funny how you said "more than half of those aren't consistent" yet 10/13 are extremely consistent, and frequently are methods that will go for heli's before prioritizing anything else

well, i guess 10/14, because i forgot humvee m2, but still way more than half are consistant

[inner haven]

bruh my msg got deleted by automod

@pale spire sorry for ping but why was my msg blocked?

[pale spire]

Checking

No idea, some automod things aren't logged

[inner haven]

it says link not allowed but there is no link?

[pale spire]

Then something in it looked link like.. DM me what you wrote

[main lichen]

you could also DM me what you wrote as well

[inner haven]

can't copy it on phone

[main lichen]

oof

wait

how can you not copy it? if you tap your text once a thing should say "select all" and then if you tap that it should say "copy"

[inner haven]

if I select it I just get delete

[main lichen]

dang

[inner haven]

and the msg only shows up on phone 💀

let me try screenshoting it

[pale spire]

Strange, looks fine to me

[inner haven]

no idea what the problem is

[main lichen]

1. ive encountered tanks who will sit at their spawn, and fire AP at blackhawks and helis leaving spawn
2. nothing but fax
3. fair point
4. also fair
5. unnnoticed, it can still really mess up a heli
6. truwe, however a lot of tank turrets are braindead and will still shoot at helis
7. (all rpgs essentially) why you would run anything other than tandem or heat, idk, but taking 1 rpg will scare the hell out of most pilots, and even just seeing engis running around with rpgs on their back can essentially keep blackhawks away from going near places
8. ALB pilots despise blackhawks, and will target any enemie helis first
9. similar to ALB pilots, will most likely eliminate enemie blackhawks first, as thair one of the biggest immediate threats
10. (your #13) fair point, but if you ever sit in F2 of a blackhawk, youll notice about 10+ sniper glints aimed at you, and will be taking a boatload of fire from infantry, and about 1-5 shots from infantry can kill a pilot, which unless someone else can fly and has a quick reaction time, that blackhawk will be toast

all in all fair points, but helis arent really that powerful on their own, unless its a really coordinated crew

[inner haven]

a unskilled heli pilot dies rather fast but a skilled heli pilot can ignore like 10 of these completely and 3 of these partly

[main lichen]

maybe its just me, but i just feel like honestly helis, while yes, can be op as hell, for the most part will have a LOT countering them

at least you arent one of those maniacs who think we need homing rockets to kill helis from across the map

[inner haven]

oh hell no

[main lichen]

i mean, helis could be nerfed, definitely, as long as other parts get buffed, but we dont need a 1:1 blackhawk here where i gotta push 50 doodads to start the thing, and like 15 m4 rounds will completely destroy my heli

[inner haven]

I don't think it needs a (big) nerf but some kind oh heavy anti tank rifle instead of rpg that does less dmg but is easier to hit would definitely be good

[main lichen]

only problem i could see with an anti tank rifle is balancing, people would be wacked out if it doesnt kill a dude in 1 hit, because it can pierce tank armor, but having a 1 shot rifle would be hard to balance, but otherwise that would be a good idea, guess we can only hope

[inner haven]

rpg can one hit too

can't fire an atr while standing so you can easily balance it by only being able to shoot while lying down

/ bipod

[main lichen]

yeah, that would be good balancing, but probably give it a longer prone time before firing, because A: those things are pretty damn heavy, and B: prone time would still be pretty fast, but honestly your idea is the best anti heli idea ive ever heard

honestly you should make a suggestion for that, it would probably be pretty well recieved

[unborn pilot]

Actually more damage to vehicles would make sense because AP rounds just make a hole in you but regular bullets make your organs explode :))

[raven timber]

I mean anti tank rifles will 100% obliterate a human

AP rounds for normal firearms do kinda cause less damage to a person cause they just go through and are easier to patch up

Modern ammo is usually designed to not overpenetrate
Enough to enter but not exit

But as for an anti tank rifle balancing i got few ideas

Irl these things arent that effective against tanks

Like they exist purely to annoy and damage more sensitive parts of it

They can realistically only be used while prone and are very heavy

Plus, they have shit range

Like afaik these things are effective up to like 100m

By no means can they be used as a sniper rifle

[inner haven]

100 seems kinda low but ye their range isnt that great

just checked and a modern Barrett M82 supposedly killed someone 2815m away

but you dont have any armor piercing value at that range

[raven timber]

Isnt barret an anti material rifle tho

Yeah it is i just checked

There is a difference

[inner haven]

ye it is

[inner haven]

"An anti-tank rifle is an anti-materiel rifle designed to penetrate the armor of armored fighting vehicles, most commonly tanks, armored personnel carriers, and infantry fighting vehicles"

[raven timber]

Yea but anti material rifle like the barret cannot do anything to a modern tank

To smaller vehicles absolutely

To a tank, nope

[inner haven]

it can pierce an btr80

[raven timber]

Well yea cause btr isnt exactly a tank

[inner haven]

if my data is correct a btr80 has 10mm hull armor and a barret can pierce 23mm up to 200m

and 19mm even at 500m

[inner haven]

i mean their main pupose would be anti air so it doesnt need to pierce the tanks

[raven timber]

Just saying it cant do anything to a tank

But yeah a barret can work in the game

As long as the bipod is deployed

[inner haven]

i mean its a game so it can still do some dmg but shouldnt be nearly as effective as a heat

[raven timber]

I suppose

Like idk 1 or 2 damage to a tank

[inner haven]

you could also add the Baher instead. Which was mainly made to fight helicopters

which is mounted

so engineers would need to deploy it before they can use it

[raven timber]

I can imagine it as a deployable that you carry or something that costs squad points to deploy

[mighty oasis]

I see this is more of a frustration post then a legit thread, here's what I said an still stand by it,
(there is no direct counter to a helicopter both heavy/little unless you are,
A) skilled with a rpg
B)camping with lav/btr an tank for turkey shooting/tail rotoring them
C) really skilled with the m200 to shoot out pilot or occupants or tail rotor)

Again it is frustrating, but I learned you can just spawn camp inside a heli an just jump out with a rpg over a squad for ez kills is really fun,
Besides all this is a game of red vs blue simplified with reliance on team work, funny though as now almost everyone is trying to aggressively just play solo, an there are notorious meta weapons plaguing the game

[median hare]

It can certainly damage optics. Maybe trophy systems to a point that its capacity to defend against other threats is greatly diminished.

I think Oki mentioned at some point modelling vehicles with destructible components.