Tracer Gun - The solution to the heli problem

[proper horizon]

I really think the battlefield franchise didnt use this mechanic as much as it should

The tracer gun had only 1 bullet in the chamber and a long reload, once it hits a vehicle, your RPG follows the vehicle until the missile explodes or it reaches the vehicle, hitting it.

It was a good counter to the fast helis in the game that, otherwise, would dominate lobbies, and it required skill and had a learning curve kinda like the RPG

I think this would be the best solution for people who want a better way to counter helis in this game, its not a cheap shot ,it requires skill and planning, and it could be balanced to not be abused :)

Just my 2cents on a mechanic that was already proven effective in other game

[placid flame]

pls remove the dart and water gun emojis I can’t see my ❌ that I put

[proper horizon]

the water gun stays, all praise the watergun 🔫💗

[placid flame]

praise be watergun 🙏🙏

[nimble dagger]

Heli problem?

What you mean?

[placid flame]

People love making suggestions without realizing the insane skill ceiling of helicopters

“here’s a counter cuz these people know what they’re doing and I’m dying to it”

[nimble dagger]

The game absolutely should have some kind of logical AA option, but when it appears, the power of small arms against a helicopter should be reduced, and significantly reduced

At the moment there is no problem, in fact there never was one at all. All the panic was literally because people were doing big killstreaks on Wakistan. And this was not a problem of the helicopter, but of the map design.

[runic tinsel]

yeah sure, lets make it be a turret that can't move or something, and then take away the very little damage infantry can do anyway. There's no fucking point in lowering the vehicle damage, because nothing guided is going to be added, and nothing explosive is going to be added. so its just gonna be a fucking placeable mg or map set piece we could man. which is not going to do shit to transport, and maybe chase off the LB if it gets close enough.

[nimble dagger]

Thank you for explaining to me what it should look like. I meant the stationary turret... Yesss... (no)

"the very little damage infantry can do" Ok. Live in a vacuum. I won't even try to explain anything

[runic tinsel]

sure man, an LMG putting 2 belts into a LB Might make it burn, if you hit over 85% of your shots. at that point the pilots is fucking stupid. the blackhawk being taken down by small arms? fucking joke. Only way you are doing that is killing the pilot, or the pilot refuses to fly away.

[night pivot]

You will never go down to small arms unless low health

[runic tinsel]

if the pilot is taking fire and stays around infantry, its still going to take alot to kill him because you are not going to hit 100% of your shots, and he is likely avoiding your fire. and if the pilot stays around while taking fire, that's on him, not the guns that tickle the helo.

[nimble dagger]

This is a fucking game. It must have balanced conventions. LB is already barely breathing. And you want to finish it off. Let's finish it off

[runic tinsel]

how about... learn to fly away?

[night pivot]

It’s fine

[runic tinsel]

unless everyone and their mother is shooting at an LB, its not going down if you make a couple of passes unless you get shot out of P1

[night pivot]

If the pilot is dying to small arms likely a skill issue

[runic tinsel]

if you decided to keep coming back until you are burning, that's on you.

[nimble dagger]

LB is completely screwed if people understand that they need to shoot him. Good games on it are only possible because the majority do not understand what to do against it

[night pivot]

Yeah?

[nimble dagger]

Yes

[night pivot]

What’s the point

[runic tinsel]

hmmm, almost like the pilot shouldn't be making multiple passes over the entire enemy team then

1-2 passes then bounce.

[night pivot]

And not pass over at all

[runic tinsel]

come back in after your engy or box fixes you

well Gun LB, that's kinda its job

[nimble dagger]

They start shooting across the entire map. 300-400 meters. Fucking awesome man, fucking awesome

[runic tinsel]

you can usually make a pass or two before the supports get pissed

[night pivot]

Plus it’s like a 10 second repair

[night pivot]

Uhh, move? Also that’s not a lot of distance

[runic tinsel]

300 to 400 is the entire map? fucking lol

if you are staying within that distance, the problem is you not the enemy damage output.

[night pivot]

The point of helicopters is aerial maneuverability

[runic tinsel]

at 300 meters you can also dodge most shots if you... like don't fly in a straight line.

[night pivot]

It’s the games fault not mine!!!

[nimble dagger]

Fuck off, you fucking trolls.

[placid flame]

chat has devolved it seems

[night pivot]

Sure

[runic tinsel]

sorry buddy, you are just a shitty pilot, not much we can do about that

[nimble dagger]

ok ok

[night pivot]

See this

[placid flame]

what constitutes shitty

[nimble dagger]

Are you a good pilot?

[placid flame]

tee hee

[night pivot]

@placid flame

Tell him your method of avoiding that as an attack pilot

[placid flame]

suicidal gameplay

gets more kills

stay low to ground

🦅🦅

[night pivot]

Hell yeah

[nimble dagger]

I fly no worse than him

[runic tinsel]

stay around the glob of enemies, staying within 300 meters in an LB and expecting to not die, flying in straight line to avoid enemy fire while running to the repair station. which he has admitted to doing.

[nimble dagger]

The problem is that damage to light armored vehicles does not decrease with distance. Perhaps if it decreases it will be ok. This is dumb shit at the moment.

[runic tinsel]

I ain't an expert, but I at least know how to not die to small arms.

[night pivot]

I don’t think it should for aerial vehicles, they feel too strojg

[placid flame]

I stay around the glob of enemies to farm kills
Staying within 300m is hella possible if you know your limits and what hp you’re at
straight line rtb is stupid idea ngl

[night pivot]

Edit fail

[runic tinsel]

that's fair. but this man obviously does not know how to do that. it is possible, but its hard to do.

[placid flame]

we have different play styles
he circles his targets
I do funky shit (I’ll grab a clip rq)

[runic tinsel]

it also sounds like he is staying until hes really low health.

[placid flame]

#clips-streams-videos message

[night pivot]

I transport a the troop

[hallow phoenix]

How much velocity would you put on the gun? 🤔

[placid flame]

ok may not be the best clip but I do like to fly really low and sorta unpredictably

[hallow phoenix]

If I undestrand correctly, the missile would also have some sort of tick time before it explode?

[nimble dagger]

Dude. You are distorting everything and making up things that I didn’t say. I just said that at the moment there are enough AA options, if we add a new option, the old options should be weakened. This is as fucking simple as possible to understand

[night pivot]

89-1

[runic tinsel]

you saying you are dying to small arms fire. that means you are staying in gun range for far to long, or you are egressing in a straight line. their is no inbetween.

[nimble dagger]

My only complaint at the moment is that the damage does not fall with distance and you can be focused at a distance at which you cannot counter anything

[runic tinsel]

any theoretical turret wouldn't even be different cause tank/Humvee/Tiger

you would not notice a difference.

[runic tinsel]

you can dodge

the bullets are slow as fuck

[night pivot]

Which is?

[hallow phoenix]

I think it'd be fine if there's heavy restrictions on it :

• Only available to Engi
• Doesn't have many ammo
• Either really low velocity/drop or a Max range limit.
• Lots of Switch time.

[night pivot]

Where is the distance where you are unable to move but the enemies are able to get constant hits?

[nimble dagger]

I have to stay close. My damage starts to drop at 75 meters. Of course I'll stay close

[runic tinsel]

an AA gadget would not be a good idea

[hallow phoenix]

Not gadget, I think it also should be on the RPG slot.

[placid flame]

I learned being an accurate peashooter means more than an inaccurate non-peashooter

[runic tinsel]

rpg is heavy gadget lol

[night pivot]

Apart from maybe a fixed M249 at main base that players can get on

Well that’s not a badger so nvm

[hallow phoenix]

True, forgot about that 💀 my bad

[night pivot]

?? Gadget

[runic tinsel]

I mean a reloadable gadget for aa would not be a good idea

a buildable with a box or 2, map based emplacements, sure

[night pivot]

Please Vilaskis

[runic tinsel]

but I do not want to subject air to the atrocity that is INF vs Ground Vicks.

[placid flame]

vil will never make a good map that everyone likes

[night pivot]

Waki

[placid flame]

💀

[runic tinsel]

you got to remember the ver y chaotic maps that the minority of 'arcade" players like, are almost always hated by everyone else.

[night pivot]

I didn’t say it was an exception to what he said

[runic tinsel]

so far they have data showing those types of maps are actually the worst recieved.

[hallow phoenix]

🤔 AA turret on capture point, one seat, reload need to be done with transporting munition from a munition depot also near the capture point. And gunner must be easy to kill for anyone on the point.

[night pivot]

No

Waste of space

[hallow phoenix]

How is it a waste of space?

[placid flame]

What kind of protection does said turret have for the user

[runic tinsel]

could be like m13/m16

[placid flame]

Only turrets in bbr that are hard to kill from heli POV rn are 7mm humvees

[hallow phoenix]

That's up to map design tbh. I think it shouldn't be snipable. But it should be easy to kill from near the point. Also, extremely low damage on infantry, or just impossible to aim at infantry/damage them.

[placid flame]

So it’s constantly tilted upward

[hallow phoenix]

yeah

[runic tinsel]

or place it on a roof where there really no angles to the ground

but let it defend itself if the enemy pushes the roof

[hallow phoenix]

You could also make it controlled by a guy on a terminal inside / on capture point. So that way, it's extremely easy to kill the air turret guy since he's defenceless. (Like for drone)

[runic tinsel]

I think it would be better if he's in the gun

[hallow phoenix]

Then come the question, do you make it a indestructible object. Or it's weak to explosive? Tandem? (repairable maybe with squad point?)

[runic tinsel]

in something like this thing.

maybe repair by holding interact on it if destroyed by a rocket

[hallow phoenix]

I like that it could be, you know something you want to take control of as a team. So it's like side objective.

[runic tinsel]

being on the roof should mitigate most of that.

[hallow phoenix]

tho not all capture point have roof etc.

[runic tinsel]

especailly if placed on a spot with those waist high walls

[hallow phoenix]

Also, prevent building next to it.

maybe barbwire ok

[runic tinsel]

if no roof there could be a dedicated AA Fob

[hallow phoenix]

^

[runic tinsel]

hescos that keep it angled up

but not actually stopping the guns from shooting down if the gunner is fast enough to hit someone rushing him

the bombs in rush have an interact point right?

[hallow phoenix]

Idk, I don't want to see someone sitting on it alone, and killing people coming at it, and being unkillable. But then, if you have cover as attack group, you can just rpg it? 🤔

[runic tinsel]

I mean

Hescos

[hallow phoenix]

idk, I don't play Rush

[runic tinsel]

its a little fob

like this but with a bit more space and slightly higher indestructible hescos.

keeps the gun up, but a gunner can make a last ditch effort to cover an enterance before he bails.

[hallow phoenix]

Would need another thread tbh

but if you do, please put in restriction/detail of it. So that people don't just downvote because they think it'll be broken af without a clear image of it 💀

[lament marten]

There is no heli problem. There is infact an infantry problem and 127 of them at that. All with their guns pointed skyward.

[runic tinsel]

ok griefer, you can go now.

[sudden zenith]

Better way to deal with this would be anti material rifles.

[knotty axle]

There is no heli problem, exept Tail rotor and BH miniugns nedding bufs.
The problem is that infantry seems to be unalble to raise thier guns above 30°

Anyways, tracer gun or SOFLAM or any sort of Lock ON AA don't have place in a game when you see 50 kills on heli much rarer than 50 kills on alredy bad AFV's

Like, sure, it could be added, but that would make alredy underwhelming vehicle gameplay loop even worse, and helis would get huge nerf