Add a high-explosive shell for the M320, give it a normal sight.

[stray zenith]

I propose adding the ability to choose between smoke and high-explosive charges for the M320. M320 Used mainly as a grenade launcher, an example is the same armed conflict in Ukraine, where the military is often used to suppress and clear trenches.

Also aim through the front sight of the grenade launcher.

[twin kestrel]

should be on the g36

g36 uses the m320 as its grenade launcher after all

[rocky tartan]

Yes to sight no to increasing nade spam

[twin kestrel]

have you heard of the trophy system?

just use that lol

so underused

just make it an impact grenade with propellant behind it

[rocky tartan]

No im not going 'just use that lol'

There is up to 127 players in a single lobby on one team, and you think that increasing the range in which they can freely get a kill is remotely a good idea.

this scremes bad Idea, and will be almost impossible to balance

regardless, this will never be happening, just like shotguns

[twin kestrel]

frag grenades are not ridiculously unbal, so a grenade launcher wont be that unbal either, just limit the rounds to a maximum of 3

[stray zenith]

So you're more confused by the possibility of reviving the Assault class than by the possibility of having 7 RPG shells?

That is, 7 RPG shells are not spam, but several high-explosive shells are already spam.

[errant dawn]

Heat RPG is already annoying, let's not add a second one please 🙏

[twin kestrel]

besides, 25m isnt really far, using a rifle would be more effective, hell grenade launcher might be worse due to the lack of lobbing grenades behind cover.

[twin kestrel]

grenade launchers are not like rpgs, and i think there should be a low round limit as i said 3 rounds is enough

[errant dawn]

~~A vest that is a system trophy should be fine right too? ~~

It should also block RPG rocket.

[twin kestrel]

ok but its your only solution to nade spam, nades are not really that effective with even one trophy

[twin kestrel]

that doesnt make any sense

[errant dawn]

Yeah right

[twin kestrel]

impact grenades have a stupidly low radius

it isnt going to be unbal

[errant dawn]

That's another problem

[twin kestrel]

it would be the same as throwing c4 at people in a firefight, at the most

probably even worse than c4 (as in worse like it sucks to use)

[errant dawn]

C4 already mad annoying

[rocky tartan]

Idk why im even bothering to argue with someone who has Add shotguns to their server description

[twin kestrel]

just my opinion, i like shotguns

[rocky tartan]

From a game balance standpoint, do you understand how awful all of this is, right? Have you game balanced before?

[stray zenith]

First of all, you are arguing with me, as the creator of this topic, so why do you consider this spam? The same c4 is not spam?

[twin kestrel]

im not a dev neither are you but i can still give insight

also i would take shotguns over snipers from a balance standpoint

[rocky tartan]

Do you know what an Entertainment Consaultant is right?

[tacit sleet]

how about instead of explosive shells add like incendiary shells, gives you area denial from a distance without it being an rpg

[rocky tartan]

impossble to add that

[twin kestrel]

yeah that would be cool

[rocky tartan]

area denial is very detrimental

[twin kestrel]

bro

i think you are trolling at this point

[rocky tartan]

You realize if i was trolling about what im saying, i wouldnt have a job, right?

[errant dawn]

It has been proposed multiple time in multiple thread. And almost every one of these thread were downvoted to hell here.

[tacit sleet]

💀

[errant dawn]

Mustard gaz nade, incendiary nade, Incendiary rocket, etc.

[twin kestrel]

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1191507228990120006

doesnt seem downvoted to death for me

[twin kestrel]

its not, it helps with tactics, you can do something called 4damage a second or something like that

so you have time

[errant dawn]

The only thing I like about this thread is that . Yes the way the guy is ADSing with the smoke launcher is giga bad in BBR.

[stray zenith]

What makes a sniper unique? He has a drone. What is unique about the medic is that he has a first aid kit that heals everyone. What makes an engineer unique? He has an RPG and the ability to repair equipment. What makes the machine gunner unique? He has a box of supplies. What makes the attack aircraft unique? Well, it will reload faster and there is a sledgehammer, what is the impact of a sledgehammer?

[errant dawn]

what's the purpose of all this paragraph?

[twin kestrel]

assault class doesnt have a clear role (his words not mine)

[stray zenith]

Why take an attack aircraft if you can take an engineer with the same heavy armor and the ability to crush tanks.

[errant dawn]

I can agree with that. It doesn't have a clear cut identity. Recon eitheir if you don't consider Sniper(aka the weapon) an identity. Since the Spotting mechanic is a bit underwhelming now too.

[rocky tartan]

This is considered spam because not only does it have X times X amount of players using it, but its the ease in which it can be used.

What is there from stopping a player from using all of their ammo in the launcher, then running in and dying just to do it over again.

What is there from stopping a player from using this across the map.

What is there from stopping a player from re-supplying this ammunition.

Where as in the case of c4, it has the same tendency as 2 of them, but is much harder to use because of how close you need to get to actually perform 'the spam'

[twin kestrel]

what is stopping a player using it across the map? velocity

velocity is low

and

[rocky tartan]

no its not

[twin kestrel]

compared to rifles

[stray zenith]

It's very difficult to use "Run, throw and press the right mouse button"

[errant dawn]

Add to this, that C4 can already be brought in lots of quantity, is accessible by everyone, and has quite the range.

[rocky tartan]

Then why are you not doing it then, go on waki bridge and try to c4 spam the bridge without dying.

[errant dawn]

C4 is already a pain, please don't add another thing like it

[twin kestrel]

and also, taking pot shots with a grenade launcher isnt going to go far kills wise, waste of time basically

[rocky tartan]

You realise that people are really good at video games, you will have people cross mapping within a few days

[twin kestrel]

only if you can see them

[rocky tartan]

also, velocity has 0 impact on trajectory in this game

[errant dawn]

wdym? It has a reticle to aim for longer distance (if it actually worked). And nade is basically AoE One shot tool.

[rocky tartan]

You dont need to see players to cross map them, game sense provides that information for you on where to aim.

[twin kestrel]

using it accross the map wouldnt be effective, you have to aim and you have to see where they are

[rocky tartan]

no you dont lol

[twin kestrel]

yes thats why you need 3 rounds

only

[rocky tartan]

Where are you coming up with random counters to my points

[errant dawn]

These two conditions are extremely easy to fill tho

[rocky tartan]

like you're moving the goalpost for no reason other to have an answer

[errant dawn]

3 rounds only doesn't matter either because of Supply box and supply drop.

[twin kestrel]

im not moving the goal post i have said it before

[twin kestrel]

its quite an inconvience to do that but i can see why that can make it annoying to people getting spam killed by it because of this mechanic

just have the s-c4 mechanic then

never refill unless you are dead

[errant dawn]

IIRC you can refill your SC4 tho

[stray zenith]

c4 is literally killing the game for apc, let's remove it then.

[errant dawn]

SC4 is so much less annoying/broken than C4/RPG heat or that idea of grenade launcher.

[errant dawn]

C4 clearly need a nerf in quantity/range and availability over classes. But that's another thread.

[stray zenith]

Agree

[stray zenith]

It’s just easier for a person to remove something than to balance it, to fit it into the framework of the game.

[modest wharf]

Alright.. few problems.

1. Rpg/demolition already exists in the form of engi. His explosives are fine as is currently, and he doesn’t need more of them.

2. Other classes don’t need them either as they have tools to support their playstyle already. For the case of assault/medic specifically, the smokes allow them to make more aggressive pushes/get into a better position(assault) or heal/revive/drag teammates without as much risk of being shot at (medic).

With assault already being strong, Where would grenade launcher fit in that wouldn’t make him stronger?

With medic, how would this fit his gameplan, seeing as it doesn’t help on the healing/reviving portion of things? (Which, some people are saying it could use work given the overall global bandage buffs)

This fits nowhere in the game imo and would just add onto the general distain of explosives, even with trophies (because they can only do so much, and even then rpgs aren’t deleted by them)

Also for the “what does assault do” argument, assault’s general role is more of someone who rushes down the enemy and/or fights on the front line. The passives provided to this class specifically help with this gameplan. Sure, buff the riot shield to help with that so it’s not a shit gadget, but he really doesn’t need anything else to do this.

[plain sequoia]

I think it would be a good addition to the assault class. Currently, medics are still used as the "Kill class" rather than the assault. Still there is not much reason to play assault unless the medic's speed and arsenal are tweaked , and the assault becomes the frontline "kill class." That being said, grenade launchers can definitely be balanced to fit this playstyle. The ability for it to destroy buildings should be disabled, limit the blast radius, buff trophy systems, and improve the way the armor system works.

Most of these things are already coming to the game eventually as well

[modest wharf]

…no, they aren’t? Most matches on 127 and 32 a good chunk are assault. Unless you’re playing on a different region than EU/NA I see mostly assaults doing what people once did with medic. I’m sure others can confirm this as well

And if we have to adjust other things just to make one new potential gadget be added, chances are it’s just better to not add the gadget to begin with

I wouldn’t mind an alternative, but having “rpg but weaker, to go” isn’t really needed, imo anyways

[plain sequoia]

But it adds to the experience, there is definitely some changes to be made with the rpg as well, but the grenade launcher would basically only be used for infantry combat. Plus all of the other gameplay changes that are required to make it work are needed anyways.

[modest wharf]

But that’s the thing. We already have rpg to fill that role. (And even then such argument could also be given for buffing frag rpg instead of having the gl)

[plain sequoia]

It would make more sense if the rpg was for demolition and vehicle combat, rather than being able to snipe infantry with it basically. The grenade launcher could fix that by having to be closer, and with less velocity than a rocket

[twin kestrel]

so rpg frag = cars rpg heat= apc and tandem = tanks?, seems like a good solution

[plain sequoia]

Not really sure what you mean by that but in short, a frag grenade launcher will work, but the right changes will need to be made

[twin kestrel]

ok so frag rpg is meant for mobile light vehicles like humvees, heat is meant for apcs, and tandems are meant for tanks

or at least the most effective

[plain sequoia]

Oooh yes I see. I forgot how many variants there were in game

[twin kestrel]

i think that would be a good way to balance it

reduce the ammo cap a bit

[plain sequoia]

Thats what a lot of people were suggesting, I think that would work too. Hopefully the devs will look into it.

[faint wraith]

What makes you think so?
It isn't mentioned in things that won't be added.
And if we as community will show intrest in that then why not?

[faint wraith]

Frag is and is supposed to be useless against vehicles tho. Heat is against everything light

[stray zenith]

Bro, the M320 shell can’t even break the wall of an Afghan village, it’s a fragmentation shell.

[faint wraith]

I am sure that 40mm DP projectile would do more damage to a wall than a sledge hammer. In which case, they definitely could destroy the walls in the game.

[stray zenith]

It could, but this is exclusively the type of projectile that kills with fragments.

[faint wraith]

No reason to not have destruction for game purpose

[lament laurel]

at that point just make it HEDP

[faint wraith]

Well, yeah.

Tho it shouldn't damage heavy vehicles. That's engi's job.

[plain sequoia]

So, supposedly a 40mm in an m320 can penetrate a good thickness of concrete, about 6 to the max of about 16 inches. It may also do some damage to light armor. If it were the under barrel m203 it probably would not be able to penetrate as far

Regardless it is a blocky battlefield esc game so theres no reason to say that it cannot be adjusted for gameplay purposes

[faint wraith]

They use the same ammo

[plain sequoia]

Thats cool, not gonna argue with you about it, the velocity is lower so it may not penetrate as well as the m320

[faint wraith]

Velocity doesn't matter in case of HEAT projectiles tho.

If that was normal kinetic one then yeah, less velocity=less energy. But in HEAT energy depends on the size of the charge.

[plain sequoia]

Battlebit could include multiple variants that fire different shells however, it seemed to work pretty well for battlefield

In a game like this, variety should be a staple point since its going to be supported for quite a while, and chaos is the objective

[lament laurel]

320 and 203 have HE, HEDP, Flare, and Smoke. that's it.

[faint wraith]

You have forgot about AB

AB is love, AB is fun

[lament laurel]

AB is not a thing on the 320

I assume you mean anti-building?

[faint wraith]

No

I mean Air burst

[lament laurel]

yeah thats not for the 320 or the 203

[faint wraith]

It is very much for both of them

They both use 40x46mm

[lament laurel]

hmmm

ah

testing

and nothing since

[faint wraith]

There is 40x46 AB round

[lament laurel]

actually not even testing

[faint wraith]

M397, M397A1

[lament laurel]

just development

yeah theirs a 40mm airburst that is used in mounted GLs

however its not noted for the 320 or the 203

[faint wraith]

It's M, not XM

[lament laurel]

oh that thing

yeah that thing sucked

you bounce it off the ground

so it can explode where you want it

[faint wraith]

LMAO

That's a fun concept

[lament laurel]

Its basically the rubber bullet but it explodes after a set time